Alan Wake Was Deeper Than You Remember

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  • @howardhavardramberg7160
    @howardhavardramberg7160 11 місяців тому +251

    Man, I can’t believe Carl Jung made Alan Wake. What an epic gamer.

    • @cybernet343
      @cybernet343 11 місяців тому +21

      The earlier you get familiar with his works, the sooner you realize how influental his ideas were.

    • @howardhavardramberg7160
      @howardhavardramberg7160 11 місяців тому +15

      @@cybernet343 dude was way ahead of his time

    • @samcherry120
      @samcherry120 11 місяців тому +7

      @@howardhavardramberg7160 meh, it's rebranded astrology

    • @TheMightyMidget
      @TheMightyMidget 10 місяців тому +16

      ​@@samcherry120Nah, Astrology is rebranded Jung.

    • @jokermorningstar5816
      @jokermorningstar5816 5 місяців тому +1

      he also made persona xD

  • @federicocrescentini4806
    @federicocrescentini4806 11 місяців тому +74

    I like how, at one point of the game, a manuscript page talks about how the dark place feeds on the creativity of artist. The rockers, Alan and Zane needed that dark unconscious to inspire their art as much as the dark place needed them. The game plays a lot with that paradox of "what came first?"

  • @jeffbriem
    @jeffbriem 11 місяців тому +181

    I thought it’s not a lake; it’s an ocean had to do with the relationship of the dark presence with reality. A lake is surrounded by land. An ocean surrounds land. The presence isn’t isolated in the lake, the presence isolates him and he’s adrift in it.

    • @Elorius
      @Elorius 11 місяців тому +56

      Sam Lake actually explained it on reddit a while ago "It’s bigger than a lake. The lake is just a hole to get to the ocean. It’s boundless, our world is just an island in that ocean."

    • @mendelevium2768
      @mendelevium2768 11 місяців тому +4

      That is so cool

  • @justcallmeaj4105
    @justcallmeaj4105 11 місяців тому +145

    as a massive Stephen King fan (and also being a writer myself), this game was basically tailor made for me.
    There are so many things to love about it, small details, character interactions but also just ambiance that fully draws you in.
    I really hope more people give the first game a chance. There is nothing that can keep me from playing part two. I have waited so loooong, I started to feel like the old lady in Titanic.

    • @Nijin8492
      @Nijin8492 11 місяців тому +1

      Interesting, if it's okay with you, can I have a look at some of your works?

    • @estebanrodriguez5409
      @estebanrodriguez5409 11 місяців тому +2

      Somehow, I wish less combat focused levels... the original HAD some quiet parts, not many to be honest. The Twin Peak vibes are really cool, the short miniseries of Alan Wake was also cool.

    • @Indianpsychonaut
      @Indianpsychonaut 11 місяців тому +2

      This game was actually inspired by the tv show twin peaks

    • @LittleAngryCarrots
      @LittleAngryCarrots 9 місяців тому +1

      It’s got twin peaks/Stephen king and Hp Lovecraft influences. Remedy games is something special with a pretty specific mission and they have my applause (and money) for that

    • @Ka-tet84
      @Ka-tet84 9 місяців тому +1

      Same! I love King and write horror stories too so this game was so special to me. In my top 10 ever.

  • @alexiszimmer
    @alexiszimmer 11 місяців тому +211

    After Alan Wake 2 was announced, i decided to finally play the first one. I couldn't believe how long i sat on this game. Super stoked for the second game.

    • @traceyrinaldi4759
      @traceyrinaldi4759 11 місяців тому +19

      Play Control if you haven't already since it follows up where AW leaves off. Quantum Break touches on Alan a bit too.

    • @dutchvanderlinde2002
      @dutchvanderlinde2002 11 місяців тому +6

      @@traceyrinaldi4759 they definitely should check out Control, because Alan Wake is featured heavily in the dlcs. Quantum Break it was more of a teaser of Alan Wake 2 hence why Saga Anderson is also featured

    • @alexiszimmer
      @alexiszimmer 11 місяців тому +2

      @@traceyrinaldi4759 I've played control but not the dlc yet. Really need to get around to doing that.

    • @alanmcdonald2650
      @alanmcdonald2650 11 місяців тому +1

      ​​@@traceyrinaldi4759 just got it on sale on Steam. Never heard of it, but loved Alan Wake and it's DLCs.

    • @halofreak6166
      @halofreak6166 11 місяців тому

      same

  • @sirownzalotgaming3025
    @sirownzalotgaming3025 11 місяців тому +345

    I thought it said "Lan Wake"

  • @Fidozo15
    @Fidozo15 11 місяців тому +14

    Why Alan Wake 2 will be a great game:
    1. Its Remedy
    2. They made Max Payne

  • @jumpingman6612
    @jumpingman6612 11 місяців тому +9

    "There's over 65 billion pigs and chickens in the world!" While swinging an axe at me from nowhere. I almost shit my pants.

  • @ZephyrusAsmodeus
    @ZephyrusAsmodeus 11 місяців тому +43

    The story was excellent, and that part where you are at the old stage of the Old Gods of Asgard sticks with me all this time after playing the game

    • @Kagomai15
      @Kagomai15 5 місяців тому +1

      I just played the second half of the game on Thursday and that segment was the most badass thing ever. What a joyful scene! My friend and I were right there with Barry shouting about how awesome the whole thing was 😁

    • @Chlocean
      @Chlocean 5 місяців тому +3

      It truly was The Ashtray Maze of AW1

    • @ZephyrusAsmodeus
      @ZephyrusAsmodeus 5 місяців тому

      @@Chlocean Literally just started that game today, looking forward to it

  • @GamingUniversityUoG
    @GamingUniversityUoG 11 місяців тому +7

    In relation to this, we need to talk about how this relates to the relationship of the Supernal Triangle in Qabbalistic philosophy.

  • @easymentality
    @easymentality 11 місяців тому +4

    Everything already exists. But the ocean only coughs up what we can begin to name.

  • @jstratton1981
    @jstratton1981 11 місяців тому +15

    Again, it's not a lake, it's an ocean. EDIT, for me personally, it was my already established love of Lynch/Twin Peaks that got me hooked into Alan Wake. Bookhouse Boys for life!

  • @TheBeird
    @TheBeird 11 місяців тому +14

    I like to write stories. Not saying I'm great at it, but the stuff Alan Wake speaks to about how a story takes a life of its own as you create it and you have to have an ebb and flow with it is something I find so true. But the main reason I love Alan Wake? It's so much goddamn fun!

  • @avennoronha7081
    @avennoronha7081 11 місяців тому +6

    I knew he wasn't gonna make it thru the video without mentioning synchronicity

  • @Maks8008
    @Maks8008 11 місяців тому +17

    Dylan references Alan Wake writing about a NY cop (Alex Casey) who is real in another reality in the form of Max Payne. Name of one of the novels is "The fall of Casey" which is a direct reference to the title of the 2nd game "The fall of Max Payne". I read somewhere that in early production of the Max Payne game his name was actually Alex Casey before they changed it to Max. So with Rockstar having all the publishing rights to Max Payne it makes sense for Remedy to use their early version of that character. With Sam Lake and James McCaffrey reuniting to play Casey in Alan Wake 2 it all but confirms that he is a version of Max Payne.

    • @Admiral_Lips
      @Admiral_Lips 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Shawn_Raz_87 Max's friend was Alex Balder

  • @Khan-ig5rx
    @Khan-ig5rx 11 місяців тому +5

    In regard to the Jungian Shadow, it's definitely worth checking out the small episode/sequel Alan Wake: American Nightmare. It continues Alan's struggle to write himself out of the dark place, but the adversary is the manifestation of Alan's own Jungian shadow, an "evil" Alan named Mr. Scratch. One of the first television sets you find is a recording of Mr. Scratch mocking Alan for not having the balls to use his fame and fortune to get the things he really wants before he strangles a captive to death "for kicks".

  • @Lesandira
    @Lesandira 11 місяців тому +8

    I love how much of a love letter to Twin Peaks this game is.

  • @BioChemistryWizard
    @BioChemistryWizard 11 місяців тому +1

    The primordial void before the universe being mathematics, symbols, words, and objects etc is definitely heavily inspired by Plato and his theory of forms.

  • @flak8882
    @flak8882 11 місяців тому +16

    Can't wait. Alan Wake was such an incredible experience

  • @Pneubeteube
    @Pneubeteube 11 місяців тому +5

    Even tho I am a lifelong gamer, I have completed only a handful of games and Alan Wake was one of them. Even now I can distinctly remember sections of that game even tho I only spent probably ten hours playing it in a sea of over ten-thousand hours of gaming

  • @FACEHEADD
    @FACEHEADD 11 місяців тому +27

    It's great to see you shed light upon one of my favorite games ever. I certainly hope Alan Wake 2 gets the support it deserves. Great upload, as usual. Thanks!

  • @flobbergassy
    @flobbergassy 11 місяців тому +6

    I played Alan Wake on PC for the first time about 5 years ago. I was amazed and completely lost in the world of Remedy after that: playing through Max Payne, Control and Quantum Break within a few weeks. I really feel like they transcend video games.

  • @sayborgoussawa4424
    @sayborgoussawa4424 11 місяців тому +13

    Amazing video 🔥🔥
    For me... Alan Wake is not just a game... Its story and purpose are very deep and philosophical... This is why I love Alan Wake to the core ❤
    I really hope for similar videos about Alan Wake and the world of Remedy.
    Thanks for this in-depth explanation...

    • @chrisdiokno5600
      @chrisdiokno5600 11 місяців тому +1

      Even the dev commentary notes its about storytelling

  • @tonygalati2672
    @tonygalati2672 11 місяців тому +1

    I did reach out to Remedy, and I actually got in touch with the CEO, John Remedy. He said a major focus of Alan Wake II is that Alan can no longer use the bathroom alone, so you have to manage his stool because if he soils himself, he has to put the gun and flashlight down while he takes his pants off and cleans himself. If he's stressed and having loose stool and you stay in combat to long and sprint to much, he can have a loose stool and slip in it, or if you run away and hide, the monsters can follow the wet feces. Theres a cool part of a driving mission where Alan has to use one of his books to hold the gas pedal down while he climbs over to the passanger side and shits in the glovebox. Theres a whole part where they bring back Frederick Douglass as a homunculus made from feces, and he's voiced by Ving Rhames. Harriet Tubman is being voiced by Chris Rock during a flashback. And they have an AI generated Ray Liotta playing one detective and they did confirm that he will be saying the n word with the hard r like we all originally thought. So that should be really awesome. The AI generated Ray Liotta voice was very convincing when he yells, "I could pull my fuckin pants down right now and shit all over a picture of Mother Teresa, and I'd still be a much better man than you'll ever be, Wake!" Looks like it's gonna be awesome.

  • @ExiledAbomination
    @ExiledAbomination 11 місяців тому +6

    I've been waiting on a true sequel to Alan Wake since American nightmare came out. Can't wait to see how it turns out

  • @Goose683
    @Goose683 11 місяців тому +3

    never played Alan Wake but I recently picked up the remaster when I saw it was on sale. I think I'm finally gonna dig into it this weekend

  • @vincentshadetree
    @vincentshadetree 11 місяців тому +1

    Just finished, you told this so amazingly well! Back when the game first came out (It was the first game I got on my Xbox 360) I had a tradition every Sunday with some buddies where the four of us would get together and play Alan Wake. If you died, you passed the controller and let the next person play and so forth. Part of the joy of that story was sharing it with my friends because we talked about what we thought was happening during the story. As someone that is interested in one day being published I can say I was especially drawn to Alan as he was a writer. As I played through I knew I loved the premise of the Dark Presence, but never quite put my finger on what it could represent, until I listened to your video. Thank you for explaining it so well. I would like to have heard a few of your thoughts on the American Nightmare DLC style game that came out for Alan Wake but aside from that perfect video! 😎

  • @ThePanchEffect
    @ThePanchEffect 11 місяців тому +3

    Alan wake s american nightmare is quite short game as it is or a long standalone DLC if you will. It mainly depicts one of Alans efforts/story of a twilling-esque tv show, to escape the dark place but the dark presence, lets call it avatar, mr scratch keeps taunting him and plays the role of Alan shadow. Making doubt as while Alan is trapped this shadow Alan is the one back in the real world doing the worst.

  • @thewh00ster
    @thewh00ster 11 місяців тому +8

    Who’s ”Lan Wake”?

  • @dsgdsg9764
    @dsgdsg9764 11 місяців тому

    I'd only been subscribed to you for a few months and I've only seen a handful of your videos but this one was my favorite by far Love your work

  • @diegosolis9681
    @diegosolis9681 7 місяців тому +2

    "Alan Wake Was Deeper Than You Remember" Well, of course. It is not a lake, it's an ocean.

  • @CHMgamemedic777
    @CHMgamemedic777 10 місяців тому +3

    You really made me realize that It was intentional that It felt like I was ''Polaris'' while playing Control, as In I Polaris was taking control of Jesse Faden. Sam Lake has actually created a meta-verse linked to our universe and It's amazing that you've picked up on that. Great video man!

  • @elvishladdy3404
    @elvishladdy3404 11 місяців тому +3

    Never had a chance to play Alan Wake when it released as I didn't have an Xbox, but decided to give it a go once it was remastered to PS4 and I am so glad I did.
    The game really surprised me with how clever and bizarre it was and it is easily one of the best gaming experiences I have had.
    Amazing video my dude. And I cannot wait to see what they do in the sequel. Especially after playing all of Control just a few weeks ago.

  • @Loginv
    @Loginv 9 місяців тому

    I first played Alan wake 4 or 5 years ago and have been a hardcore fan every since. This video really helped piece together some things I didn't quite understand, like the last line in the main game Alan says. Thank you for this, it's spot on

  • @megabyte01
    @megabyte01 11 місяців тому +1

    I still remember that first nightmare chapter and knew it was going to be something special!

  • @jsjsjjshsjsj5410
    @jsjsjjshsjsj5410 6 місяців тому +1

    I am watching this video after playing through the entirety of Alan Wake 2 and I have to give you massive props because the ending statements of the video are absolutely on point with what the underlying message of the game is. Bravo

  • @jawdypus7654
    @jawdypus7654 4 місяці тому

    That is a really great video. I just played trough original Alan Wake and when playing I wasn't even thinking about the story being so deep. This analysis made me think more about the story in game and wanna play other parts as well. Thank you!

  • @papperogue
    @papperogue 11 місяців тому

    Great video, thank you!! I need to replay the first one.

  • @TheOneTrueLevi
    @TheOneTrueLevi 11 місяців тому +3

    Damn son I need to go back and play Alan Wake. I played it twice when I was like 14, super entertaining game. I never played the dlc but American Nightmare is great too.

  • @alexandereguis5090
    @alexandereguis5090 10 місяців тому

    Love this analysis! Alan Wake is perhaps one of my most favorite games of all time, I remember when I was in my teens playing this and telling my mother who loves Stephen King to watch the opening to the game because of the opening quote. The joy this game brought me was incredible. The soundtrack itself was just as incredible.

  • @mitchf1862
    @mitchf1862 11 місяців тому +5

    I have such fond memories of this game

  • @ThePowerfulOne100
    @ThePowerfulOne100 9 місяців тому +1

    It's actually got very similar notes to The Outer Wilds when you think about it. Alan Wake being in the dark place and focusing on these words, bringing them into focus and reality is similar to the conscious observer viewing something of infinite possibilities forcing it to collapse into a single possibility.

  • @MrUmbra-ts6se
    @MrUmbra-ts6se 11 місяців тому +6

    It was “just” a lake at one point. When Alan writes “it’s not a lake, it’s an ocean” he gives Dark Presence access to many other words. And births Remedy-verse. Control is a story that Alan wrote in to existence. By writing stories, Alan is hoping to access/create a world where he is free from the Dark Presence and can live in normal world. Except that it seems that Alan will probably never return to the normal world and regain sense of normality he once had.

  • @cinathegod
    @cinathegod 8 місяців тому

    You my friend are wild for doing this much research into the idea and story of the game. Much appreciated❤

  • @brentloy131
    @brentloy131 11 місяців тому +1

    I recall buying Alan Wake on a whim and playing it at the “party house” every day after work. We called it the party house cause it was a house that we lived in and partied at.
    Roommates and friends would gather around and watch me play throughout last of us style

  • @kevinbit3406
    @kevinbit3406 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for your knowledge, it’s great to hear you.

  • @KurtCollier
    @KurtCollier 4 місяці тому

    I had bought Alan Wake over a year ago on sale after really enjoying Control and wanting more. I didn't love it or continue past the first couple hours. After seeing how well pt. 2 was received, I felt the impulse to play that- so I went ahead and played through part 1 since I already had it. I ended up really enjoying part 1 and was glad to have played it through before playing part 2. I do think they did a good enough job with pt.2 that a pt.1 playthrough isn't required, but I think it helps still.
    My read on the story was that Alan must be the creation of tom. Alan is the "Scratch" version of the first Tom that got out and made a life of his own. Like Alan was a creation of the dark place- using the work and body of Tom to bring new minds back to the lake. His creations and fame would drive interest in his disappearance- which would bring lots of creative and investigatory minds to the lake. like flies to flypaper.
    Or possibly tom doesn't/never existed except as a dark place phantom to haunt and push Alan- as Toms creations seem to only exist outside the dark place via the shoe-boxes and local lore (storytelling) surrounding the lake.

  • @SNW_Build_a_Picture
    @SNW_Build_a_Picture 11 місяців тому +1

    the more vids i watch like this, the more puzzle pices i seem to be able to gather to make a grand picture :)

  • @Soma2501
    @Soma2501 11 місяців тому +6

    I loved both Alan Wake and Control. I'm hoping to see some more crossover. Any other games or whatever that yall would recommend?

    • @JakeTalksGamesYT
      @JakeTalksGamesYT 11 місяців тому +2

      Quantum Break has some aspects of the lore hidden throughout

    • @dutchvanderlinde2002
      @dutchvanderlinde2002 11 місяців тому

      just those 2 Alan Wake isn't really connected to anything else unless you want to see Easter eggs or teasers

    • @Soma2501
      @Soma2501 11 місяців тому

      @therealgrayfox almost forgot about it. I watched a playthrough of it and its great. Might play it myself one of these days

  • @TheEpicSands
    @TheEpicSands 11 місяців тому +1

    Max, what the hell was that?
    >How do I convince new playerbase to play old game?
    >Spoilers ahead, go play game
    I mean...

  • @cjcologne7
    @cjcologne7 8 місяців тому

    My friend and I got ourselves an XBox over the first lockdown and besides obvious coop fun like Halo and Gears I also got myself a digital copy of Alan Wake because I was always interested in it. What can I say it became an instant all-time favorite of mine and I'm so excited for the sequel.❤

  • @Spydiggity
    @Spydiggity 9 місяців тому

    I just started playing through Alan Wake again, in anticipation for the second game, for maybe my 8-10th playthrough. I am in the same boat. I have a very tough time articulating specifically what's so great about it. There are games out there that do certain things better than AW does. The combat in Alan Wake isn't anything special, the voice acting leaves something to be desired, and even after so many playthroughs, I still don't full grasp the story; but for some reason, the way all of the elements come together is very impressive. You are drawn in by the world right from the start, and the end of every chapter gives you that "let's do one more" kind of feeling. It also does that thing that movies do, where you are somehow brought into a sort of dream-like trance as you experience it.

  • @imdefinitelynotjesus
    @imdefinitelynotjesus 11 місяців тому +1

    Now if only we could peak Max’s interest in the way of the samurai franchise. His philosophical itch I’m sure would be continuously scratched if he ever broke the surface.

  • @dweller132
    @dweller132 11 місяців тому +4

    Now that you bring up the concept of collective unconscious and it's connection to the Darkness, it makes me think that the Pale from Disco Elysium isn't all too dissimilar from the concept. The difference being that the Pale is described as an unnatural, harmful force that wouldn't exist without humanity, and the Darkness is treated as a natural force that can be bent towards the will of people who are aware of the truth. It just kinda *is* until someone like Tom or Alan come into contact with it and affect reality with it.

    • @1plusAidan
      @1plusAidan 11 місяців тому

      Both great concepts. I love the world building in both universes

  • @roie255
    @roie255 8 місяців тому

    The last sentence gave me massive goosebumps. Just one more month !

  • @opsedopsers9874
    @opsedopsers9874 11 місяців тому

    I played this game in a day when I was like 10 or 11 home alone just me and a pizza and it's one of my favorite childhood memories

  • @darrensteele3365
    @darrensteele3365 11 місяців тому

    I've been a big fan of Remedy since MP1 but not owning an Xbox I'd never played AW. I've spent the last few weeks playing everything I can from this shared universe Remedy have created. All I have left to play is QB. I'm obsessed atm. Super hyped for AW2 and Control 2.

  • @matthew1002
    @matthew1002 11 місяців тому

    It's funny you posted this just shortly after one of the other channels I subscribe to, Liana K, just made a video about this game's themes as well.

  • @AceRazor
    @AceRazor 5 місяців тому

    This is a fantastic analysis. Thank you.

  • @Lord_Deimos
    @Lord_Deimos 6 місяців тому +3

    A friend told me that Alan Wake's story is nothing special, the same guy tried to convince me that Mass Effect Andromeda has a good story...

    • @joewills7582
      @joewills7582 6 місяців тому

      Lel

    • @s0daapoppin
      @s0daapoppin 5 місяців тому

      Holy shit....I almost don't wanna believe you friend is a real person.

  • @prestobizmal
    @prestobizmal 9 місяців тому

    I dont think anyone talks about the muliple levels of artistic influence fusing into one story enough. The original poet, the 60s metal songs telling of the current novelists journey. Ive tried explaining why this works so well to people but im not nearly articulate enough to do so. The soundtrack alone with the metal ballads as stand alone tracks is phenomenal.

  • @hat3th3hat3r2
    @hat3th3hat3r2 8 місяців тому

    I don't think it resides beneath cauldron lake but cauldron lake is a place where is.....bubbles up. Well where darkness bubbles up, but to me it stands to reason if there are bad places like that than there might be good alternatives as well....

  • @andresrodriguez8289
    @andresrodriguez8289 7 місяців тому

    12:39 Personal experience: My father is taking my in his motorcycle to a restaurant, getting close to the restaurant, my mind show me a image of Kelly (a cousin that I hate so much) my experience told me that is impossible, I need think something relate it to have a small percentage to remember her… on the way I want told that to my father but in that moment I saw her in the street, 5 sec later of that thought of her, I explain him about that experiences, we couldn’t resolve that mystery

  • @motasemaudah6829
    @motasemaudah6829 11 місяців тому +1

    Is it me, or that Alan Wake looks like John Wick in that black suit?

  • @jakelloyd7328
    @jakelloyd7328 11 місяців тому +1

    hey max great video absolutely love your video especially on silent hill speaking of which just wanted to know what your thoughts were on the new silent hill accession trailer as I know you are a hardcore fan also now that the trailers have been out for a bit do you think any of your previous thoughts have changed on the info we were give. ❤👍

  • @gameako
    @gameako 11 місяців тому +1

    oh yeah that's breaking the 4th wall, Alan Wake struggle 13 years as Sam Lake struggle for 13 years for this game to happen. That's why when you asked Sam Lake about the game his so passionate that he can't wait for us to try the game :)
    I miss this content about Jung and the Collective Unconscious..

  • @zaaath
    @zaaath 11 місяців тому

    This video is a materialization of the book I was reading last night... It was a book on Buddhism, specifically Dreams of Light by Andrew Holocek. Apparently, there is a way to experience the subconscious and unconscious first-hand, meaning to have memories of it in the normal everyday state of mind... I wonder if Sam Lake and the whole Remedy crew are into deep meditation and psychedelics.

  • @helygg8892
    @helygg8892 11 місяців тому

    If you haven't played control I highly recommend it also if you hear the voice in the light in the beginning it's awfully similar to trench the director from control almost trying to help you

  • @Duckman8213
    @Duckman8213 11 місяців тому

    I love Control. Got the platinum on it twice for PS4 and PS5

  • @halfaxle
    @halfaxle 11 місяців тому

    While I don't remember the reason why the name was changed (copyright shenanigans or somthing like that)
    Alex Casey *is* Max Payne, one of the pages even quoting the game directly

  • @chrisdiokno5600
    @chrisdiokno5600 11 місяців тому

    I love your vids my dude

  • @vincentshadetree
    @vincentshadetree 11 місяців тому

    As soon as I saw you made a video about Alan Wake I clicked it, liked it, and said to myself, "I know his deep dive is going to be brilliant" 😎

  • @glitchedpolygons
    @glitchedpolygons 11 місяців тому

    6:55 whoaa, good placement of the Half-Life 1 OST

  • @AmaryInkawult
    @AmaryInkawult 11 місяців тому +10

    I have Alan Wake to thank for sparking my passion for writing. Yes I did have a faint interest in reading and writing stories, but that passion to write meaningful stories that were thought through thoroughly? That didn't come to fruition until the completionist in me collected the Manuscripts and actually listened to the philosophy of the writer Alan Wake is. How archetypes were used and ultimately subverted in the game. The Twists and Hidden Subtexts found in the Manuscripts. Also I fucking adore Barry as a character, he is that friend who you don't want around too much but will fucking die for you at a moment's notice.

  • @jhitcho2026
    @jhitcho2026 11 місяців тому

    I totally agree. That's why I really like media that brings to light out innate ability to create, cast and make manifest from no thing into some things. To in form into reality

  • @micahneilson9956
    @micahneilson9956 11 місяців тому +2

    Heya Max. Love your videos. Quick unrelated question: Have you happened to play 999 on the DS? It might not be deep exactly, but it explores some pseudoscientific concepts and I think you'd really get a kick out of it.

  • @magicman4673
    @magicman4673 9 місяців тому

    I played Alan Wake on a whim when it was on game pass. And now? Oh man. I'm invested in seeing how Alan Wake 2 plays out now that Alan's been playing 4D chess with the power of the lake. After all, he wrote the events of Control in motion. Why do you think the Hiss is so similar to the Dark Presence?

  • @origamipapercut4682
    @origamipapercut4682 11 місяців тому

    Reminds me a lot of what the Healing Church was trying to do in Bloodborne.

  • @kizaruamaru252
    @kizaruamaru252 9 місяців тому

    @max derrat where do i finde the void of space visual @ 10:50 min?

  • @kanadashyuugo873
    @kanadashyuugo873 11 місяців тому

    Oh wait, Jung? "It's not an ocean, it's a.. Palace!" "AAAH A TALKING CAT" "I am NOT a cat!"

  • @minioli01
    @minioli01 7 місяців тому

    My answer would be that the game is very good as third person shooter but also that it is like playing a literary masterpiece where there are many themes and double meaning you would usually find in some of the great stories you are asked to analyse in literature class. Thats not something everyone will like but it is a very enjoyable experience if you like thinking on a game.

  • @tomatoslav
    @tomatoslav 2 місяці тому

    I don't even have to watch the whole video to agree with it .... Alan Wake sent me down a path that no medium could. As an artistic soul, I can't be grateful for it, but I do appreciate it it. It's been tumultuous navigating through the horror of the genre, the philosophy of the mirroring of the experience, the depth of the creativity of such a mind, but it's made me more appreciative of the art form, and forms, that are not respected, and understood, or even recognized as such, that are only taken for granted like it's entertainment. While I might be mistaken ... There is no doubt in my mind that Alan Wake 1 was an archetypal story in it's own right.

  • @Grafiction
    @Grafiction 11 місяців тому

    Pain to the Max! :D Great Video man. But why do I feel that this is an answer to "In Praise of Shadows" more critical video? In any chase good job as alsways , Sir.

  • @AzrielPSX
    @AzrielPSX 11 місяців тому

    into mouth of madness

  • @Ohem1
    @Ohem1 11 місяців тому

    I'm getting a sense of "Project Stargate" here.

  • @WritingGeekNL
    @WritingGeekNL 5 місяців тому

    I always had the intention of playing Alan Wake... I'm a survival horror fan, a fan of the freaky-type of mystery horror Alan Wake offers, etc.
    It got a bit more once Control came out and rumors started on the sequel.
    Then even more once Alan Wake 2 was announced.
    Then even more once Alan Wake 2 was reviewed to THAT regard.
    Final nail for me was the musical performance (at TGA).
    At that point I was like: Okay, now I have to play it all. And sooner, rather than later.
    Why I didn't play the first game yet is rather simple, I was close to 10 when the game first came out. It is hard to go back to older games, unless it is a franchise you already played and grew up with. As with me with Metroid, Zelda or Final Fantasy.

  • @turbulentzee
    @turbulentzee 2 місяці тому

    As a musician, this game makes me want to write my way from my own dark place.

  • @sirownzalotgaming3025
    @sirownzalotgaming3025 11 місяців тому

    That's it I'm gonna go play it soon. I own Alan wake remastered on ps5 and switch but haven't stated it.

  • @sk8rboi66
    @sk8rboi66 11 місяців тому

    Playstation plus has it for free this month, i played through it for the first time and fell in love. I didn’t know the people who made it made control.

  • @f.s.street1916
    @f.s.street1916 6 місяців тому

    3:55 This game is hard as hell, just finished it. Abviouslly was worth it, but was a hell of a time. I hate spoopy games, but i love them.

  • @fattiger6957
    @fattiger6957 11 місяців тому +1

    I recently finished Alan Wake Remaster for the first time (started it about a year ago, but didn't finish then) and I really enjoyed it. The gameplay and animation is a little janky compared to modern games and the driving sections suck big time. But the story and atmosphere is phenomenal.
    Remedy really seems to love the franchise since they never let it die. They kept it alive with references in Quantum Break and Control (which got a whole DLC based around AW) I really appreciate it when a developer is passionate about what they're making. I'm sure Remedy will take what they learned in Control (which, IMO, had fantastic gameplay) and make Alan Wake 2 even better.
    Remedy is one of those developers who just seems to get better with every game and they tend to only make games they are passionate about.

  • @horizon92lee
    @horizon92lee 7 місяців тому

    Great analysis

  • @metheiam5714
    @metheiam5714 11 місяців тому +4

    I'm not sure if it was purposeful on the part of the devs (who are finns), but if you translate the wake part into finnish as waking up, you kinda get the phrase "alan herätä", which if translated back to english would mean "i am starting to wake (up)". Or just simply translate the Alan to "i am beginning/starting to". Anyway, that's my fun fact for the day.

  • @minine6508
    @minine6508 6 місяців тому

    My god what a BEAUTIFUL analysis. Fantastically done!!

  • @strikeaposefilms
    @strikeaposefilms 5 місяців тому

    I am pretty sure I decided to finally beat the first game because of this video. I wanted to be able to watch it but needed to finish it first.

  • @SirEvilestDeath
    @SirEvilestDeath 7 місяців тому +1

    It’s not a lake it’s an ocean is a simple concept. It is a realization that the large presence in the dark place is not as big as it seems because it’s connected to far larger presences out there. The dark place is not a small contained lake, it’s part of a massive ocean of similar but different parts.
    Control made that speculation a fact with how the events of Alan Wakes story is just one doorway connected to many others. One lake connected to the ocean. Confusing if one only played the game once and doesn't question what such a line could mean. Obvious to anyone who’s been exposed to connected universes, drastically expanding stories and concepts or multiverse storytelling. Which, who isn’t by now?

  • @dave1stfan
    @dave1stfan 10 місяців тому

    Saves this video to Watch Later.
    Works.
    Puts video in another tab and deletes it from watch later.
    Plays video in background while working.
    Understood nothing because of technical concepts.
    Puts video back in watch later.

    • @maxderrat
      @maxderrat  10 місяців тому

      Yeah. Sorry bro. You do need to pay closer attention with this video to wrap your head around things. :P

  • @Calypso694
    @Calypso694 9 місяців тому

    Tell all this to In Praise Of Shadows

  • @m3m3sis
    @m3m3sis 11 місяців тому

    the trailers alex casey actor is max payne's model, in case you did'nt recognize

  • @mohammadjavadmonjezi
    @mohammadjavadmonjezi 9 місяців тому

    15:07 so what you are suggesting is that the reason why Alan is dealing with The Taken(s) is basically because he has been dealing/suppressing his violent thoughts, both as a writer of crime novels and a human being, for too long and now they have taken a physical form in The Dark Place? hmm🤔
    I was just watching an interview Sam Lake did with IGN about Alan Wake 2 and in the interview he said one of his inspirations was the movie Inception; when what you said in this video incorporated with what he said in my mind it got me thinking what if everything Alan is experiencing is all just one [or multiple] nightmare dream[s] and a reflection of his unconscious mind? that certainly would be interesting from both storytelling and psychological point-of-view; the other possiblity would be Alan have been completely gone insane in the result because as its clear in the beginning of AW1 he is dealing with some sort of mental problem, something he seems to be hiding, whether its depression or something worse like some sort of schizophrenia developed as the result of him essentially being in touch with "dark side of his mind and/or imagination" as a writer for too long or have gone too deep within it (I need to point out that I have not played Control so I may very much be wrong, I'm just theorising)
    p.s: I'm a last-year psychology student and I love the contents you upload, both the heavy psychological knowledge you simplify and share with us through explanation and visualisation And analysing aspects of the games, movies and other types of media that otherwise we very much likely would've missed out on because we are too wrapped up in the experience or just simply can't identify them
    I'm glad I found your channel because of Silent Hill
    much love to you and your channel; please keep doing what you do❤️