All Your 12-Volt Starlink Issues Explained & Why The New Starlink Mini Sucks
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
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After 9 months of using my Starlink on 12-volt, here is an update on how everything is working. Also I explain all of the problems people have asked in the comments and the causes of each one. After the recent announcement of new hardware from Starlink, the 2nd generation actuated Starlink dish in my opinion is still the best choice for nomadic use. Watch this video to the end to see why.
Are you looking for my complete 12-volt Starlink conversion tutorial?
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If you are looking for an alternative to the Dishy Dualie for 12-volt conversion, stay tuned for a review on the XTAR LINK EL3: xtar-link.com/products/xtar-l...
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:15 The state of Starlink
02:44 Changing accounts on other continents
06:03 12-Volt Conversion 9-Month Update
06:54 Reliability problems and how to fix them
11:41 My 12-volt Starlink installation
13:47 Why the new Starlink Mini Is Bad
16:12 New product for 12-volt conversion
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After 9 months of using my Starlink on 12-volt, here is an update on how everything is working. Also I explain all of the problems people have asked in the comments and the causes of each one. After the recent announcement of new hardware from Starlink, the 2nd generation actuated Starlink dish in my opinion is still the best choice for nomadic use. Watch this video to the end to see why.
Are you looking for my complete 12-volt Starlink conversion tutorial?
ua-cam.com/video/UxbPWwh7dqs/v-deo.html
If you are looking for an alternative to the Dishy Dualie for 12-volt conversion, stay tuned for a review on the XTAR LINK EL3: xtar-link.com/products/xtar-link-el3-dc-power-supply-for-starlink-standard-actuated-gen-2
Very timely video..... 8) Thanks for watching our review earlier today and taking the time to update me on the suggestions you have found about the 12v. What a small world that you are going to be getting the Xtar-Link. It has been working well for us. Wander On- Kyle and Michelle
I am glad to see that you had some experience with it. I won't personally get to use it as they weren't able to send it to me in South America. But my brother will be testing it for me. Hopefully it will work out!
@@freelyroaming you had mentioned being sure the ethernet cable powering the dish is important. Do you have one that you recommend?
@@thewanderingshores not particularly since I don't have a way to test what's on the market. I just had to try a few different ones I have on hand and stick with one that works for me. This is with the cable that connects to the router by the way. The one that powers the dish is the factory starlink cable. I wouldn't use any other ones.
Massive help Dan, thank you. I was contemplating upgrading to the gen 3 dish, but when I learned that it consumes more power than the standard actuated one, I decided against it. I am really grateful for you sharing your long-term experience with the 12v conversion
Another great video, Dan! Thanks for this. I've got the Dishy Dualie and found your segment on voltage drop particularly interesting since I'm starting my build currently. I was planning on putting some switches in-line, for controlling the router and Dishy power but, since I have a fairly small battery bank (200Ah), I think I'm going to start with no switches at all and just manually plug and unplug the devices. My usage is fairly infrequent so I don't see any real convenience issues with that. The only appliances that I'd worry too much about voltage drop would be when the compressor from my 12v fridge kicks on or maybe my water pump running. I've also got a diesel heater that draws a bit when if first kicks on but that usage is pretty limited to certain times of the year. Thanks again!
Thanks Dan for the info.
You legend! I find your videos so helpful and that's why I got myself the Dualie but like you the voltage drop has been an issue, now I know how to fix it. I made my own 12v flat mount conversion and posted it on my channel which you might find interesting because I made my own cable from the Starlink to the POE (I do need to make an updated video as well) Thanks for making this video 👍🏻
You are a great communicator and provide solid advice, so thanks.
It’s a shame you need to boost your 12V to the dishy dualie as this will create more inefficiency. Really the product should maintain the specified output so long as the Vin does not drop below a certain threshold, say 10V. You should raise that with them as a design flaw/improvement opportunity. Cheers mate.
For me, this is not a flop. I have the residential service, and I ordered my mini yesterday. I have the roaming and home service, which is expensive! $120 for my residential and $150 for the roaming! So, for me, $30 a month to have this mini is perfect. I won't need more than 50 Gigs of data as I just need to access Wi-Fi calling, web browsing, and such, not download movies, etc. The roaming dish I have is bulky and takes up a lot of space in my truck, and when I looked at its usage, I am well under 50 Gigs of data per month. I like the versatility and compact abilities of this dish so I can take it with me almost anywhere. I am excited to get mine and free up space; easy to set up, and I can leave it on the dash of my Cybertruck. 😎
I wouldn't call it a flop either. It's actually quite an achievement to have this technology available. Certainly there are a lot like you out there who needs exactly this. That's why I compared it to like a mobile hotspot add-on that cell phone companies offer in my latest video about it. But my channel focuses on living nomadically and for that audience, it is not great. But as I said in the video, I do think it's going to change in the future.
Not sure it will work on the dash under the windshield of a car as the window could deflect a lot of the radio beams causing it to not be able to aim. Also it often comes from the factory with a UV film. At least that's what happened with my gen2 flat-mounted dish. But let me know if that works for you.
@@freelyroaming Where I would use the dish, there isn't cell service; otherwise, I would just do that. I totally get that living nomadically means this isn't a great option, but maybe in the future, that will change. I watched another video where it does work on the dash of a Cybertruck. I'll be doing a video on it on my other channel, @soaringvideos. Thanks for making the video!
Thanks for the video. Sounds like most of the issues you had are self induced and not a starlink issue - and most have easy solutions - thank you for sharing those tips!
As for the mini, they are limiting demand (and impact on other starlink dishes) by initially charging higher prices and limiting the target audience. Once they’ll ramp up production of the mini price for the dish will come down - but will likely happen in multiple steps as production will take time to ramp. As for price for data - this will likely still be limited or more expensive as the mini is much less spectral efficient (not as good signal/noise) due to size and power limitations so starlink will likely throttle and keep data prices higher to ensure it doesn’t use too much spectrum and impact other users. Maybe in the future if you’re in a remote area and there is no spectral contention with other users they’ll remove some of the limits though performance would likely not be as good as larger dishes. It just plain physics. Size does matter… at least for some things… 😂
Yeah I assumed that the gen2 dish was running into physical limitations with what was possible. So the mini was surprising to see.
I don't see the production volume as being reason why they price is high. I see it as being more of a strategic product and the decision was purely financial. They have always more or less followed the mobile phone business model. This is equivalent to adding on a hotspot device to your phone account as an add on service. They've also not needed to sell previous models for higher prices at their initial releases. They are very good a volume production and I don't see this as being any different.
Very much look forward to your review of the XTAR-LINK EL3. I would want a different router though, and they have a kit without a router for a little less. They have a DC5521 port out for router power. The GL.iNet products have the USB C input. What would be the easiest way to feed power to the GL.iNet router from the XTAR device? Other than that it looks pretty simple. I was waiting for the Starlink Mini, but as you can see now their data plan has me looking for ways to better power my Gen 2 dish. Your conversion video was awesome and I may still go that way. I''ll be checking in for the XTAR review. Thanks for your work!
Let's be honest.. this initial $599/$30mo offer is essentially Starlink's "beta test" of the device. We all know that Starlink changes their data plan offerings almost as much as people change underwear. I have no doubt that in a few months, once they get feedback, we'll see another iteration of the hardware cost, monthly fees, and data caps. And, for true nomads, the Mini can easily be run on a portable power bank via a USB-C PD port.
Great video
You are the best. I’ve been following along since before you even went to Newfoundland ☺️
Thank you! That was 2016 I believe. Even before we started this new channel!
@@freelyroaming my Nan lives up in the Northern Tip and I remember asking her if it was possible to have you guys park there.
@@jasminemcallister9910 near l'anse aux meadow?
Man, such a bummer to hear that the mini is a flop - that would have been amazing for power consumption and portability on the road!
I am crossing my fingers that it might change!
Money talks. Stay strong. If no one buys it the price WILL come down.
@freelyroaming Which Starlink account are you using? Mobile Priority or Priority will allow Public IP but others will not. Could that be a cause for so many of us that can't connect, seem to get the Dishy to talk to the router using the Dishy Dualie? After many changes (new router, new ethernet cables, short 12 AWG power cables, direct vs POE supply to router) I cannot get any internet signal via the WAN connector to my router. I am about to give up and toss the Dishy Doulie in the garbage. Thoughts?
BTW, Boondocker, who makes the Dishy Dualie, have not answered any emails so it's impossible to discuss with the device manufacturer. Are others experiencing the same issues?
The Starlink Mini in the United States makes no sense, due to all the ifs and buts that it puts into buying it, but in Colombia (where I am from), it makes all the sense in the world and in fact it is the best quality-price product you can get, already here the monthly payment costs 35 dollars and the starlink costs 200$, and all of this for a very hight download speed
Hay Dan. I just received my starlink Gen 3 today. I have no plans on converting it to 12v. I've seen too many people on UA-cam who say they had alot of issues. I have a 3000-watt converter hooked to 200Ah batteries. When you used your converter, did you have any issues? I'm full-time and will be heading to Argentina soon, and you mentioned the 400 bucks a month once I leave the US. I agree that's ridiculous and is a reason why I waited to get starlink because Elon Musk has bipolar and constantly changes the price on everything. Overall, in your opinion, is starlink worth it being able to have internet anywhere?
Yes it's a game changer for us. Getting a local plan is the way to go. But now you can only migrate after owning and using your dish for 4 months. So plan accordingly.
@freelyroaming interesting about the 4 months. I plan on crossing the border around Thanksgiving anyway. I'm in the Montana area now, and my family is shipping the starlink to a UPS store here in Montana for me since it had to be sent to my home address. Thanks for the follow-up. I actually got to meet your whole family 2023 or 2022 OLE Flagstaff and talked with you for a good 45 minutes. Thanks again
Add a capacitor?
The Mini is less capable, much like a 3G phone over LTE/5G. And similarly, these devices will have negative impact on the total network capacity. So where the network is congested (i.e. USA), they definitely want to sell it at a premium, and minimize usage.. On the other hand, in areas with lots of capacity, there reduced network capacity makes no difference. These areas also tend to have lower average income, so being able to use hardware with less parts (and therefore less cost to build) makes sense. There's still development cost for this new design, so we can thank all the early adopters in the US for contributing toward bridging the digital divide worldwide.
On top of a van, I would consider Gen3 over the Mini, way too many advantages. Since both were certified for in-motion use a couple months ago, I wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX adds some power-saving features to the Gen3 (i.e. work in "Mini mode" until there's usage).
I am making a video about the mini. My opinion is different in that. I am fully aware of the technological aspect and I think the way most people are talking about its affect in network capacity is flawed.
In Colombia, you can now buy the mini with a roaming plan, just not in the usa. for 800,000 cop, If you decide to try it, and need an address in Pasto to order it, let me know my gf lives there
We are in Ecuador now and I'm going to see if I can get one here. Says it will take 2-3 weeks to ship unfortunately.