A DUMB PENALTY FOR THE SHOW? The Story of the 2006 Italian Grand Prix

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  • @AidanMillward
    @AidanMillward  Рік тому +5

    Dutch GP Sale: Use affiliate link in description, buy a thing and use code F130 for 30% off! (Exclusions Apply)

    • @eamonahern7495
      @eamonahern7495 Рік тому

      My mind is still blown 🤯 that con *tro* ver see is the correct way to pronounce controversy.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому +3

      @@eamonahern7495 advertisement is advert-issment too. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

    • @imsid7851
      @imsid7851 Рік тому

      Aiden I would really like you to do ab opinion piece on Canada 2011.
      One I have on my HDD as a classic.
      What was he thinking lol

  • @potatogirlcultist19
    @potatogirlcultist19 Рік тому +48

    I remember the pre race interview when Alonso just straight up said "From now on I don't consider F1 a sport anymore". If he said that today, the FIA would force him to start in Mars for the Dutch Grand Prix. F1 is just not going to be the same without him.

  • @sahildiwan4627
    @sahildiwan4627 Рік тому +43

    Please do a video on the full history of Hunt and Lauda, there's so much more than what was told in the movie

    • @CyanRooper
      @CyanRooper Рік тому +5

      He did make a video on the 1976 season but I think it got deleted along with a bunch of other videos due to copyright.

    • @samupton7654
      @samupton7654 Рік тому +7

      It would be good but its also very well documented. Beauty of Aidan's videos are the level of detail he gives to events that weren't well documented at the time IMO

    • @NonFlyiingDutchman
      @NonFlyiingDutchman Рік тому

      There's definitely a lot more to that season than "Lauda would have been champion if he hadn't crashed at the Nurburgring' which seems to be the most common comment you see about 1976

    • @samupton7654
      @samupton7654 Рік тому +1

      Hard to argue against it though? They weren't exactly equal rivals. Either way its a very well documented season. Arguably it's been done to death which is the opposite to the season that came 30 years later and is somehow almost forgotten about.

    • @NonFlyiingDutchman
      @NonFlyiingDutchman Рік тому

      @@samupton7654 Lauda and Hunt were very much equal rivals in the 76 season. Despite Lauda's crash, the subsequent races he missed and walking away at Fuji they both finished the same number of races that season - unrelliablity, DNF's and mechanical failures (which Lauda's crash was) were a bigger part of the sport back then.

  • @timothysperisen
    @timothysperisen Рік тому +16

    One of the most ridiculous cases ever of Ferrari International Assistance back in the days when not everything was better

  • @danielalonso6223
    @danielalonso6223 Рік тому +5

    I remember Patrick Head of Williams saying the penalty was decided by someone with rocks in their head, or something to that effect. Just a bizarre circumstance all round.

  • @TRC98
    @TRC98 Рік тому +9

    I never knew Hund & Lauda lived together at one point. I cant imagine those two dynamics coexisting in one building

    • @RACECAR
      @RACECAR Рік тому +1

      If I'm not mistaken, that's happened with multiple F1 drivers at the time and before it (and just like with Lauda and Hunt, they too had some intriguing at odds dynamics).

    • @y_fam_goeglyd
      @y_fam_goeglyd 5 місяців тому +1

      Niki was a bit more of "a lad" than he appeared when doing his job. He had a great sense of humour, and Hunt apparently thought a great deal about him. Don't assume that everyone is like they are at work (applies to anyone!), outside they can be completely different. I'm not saying that Niki was as wild as James, but he wasn't prim and proper 😂

  • @InvadedOath
    @InvadedOath Рік тому +17

    I’d never put two and two together on the timing of the Calcio scandal and all the nonsense with Ferrari around this time. Makes me chuckle

    • @AoStoRmGod
      @AoStoRmGod Рік тому

      Shitaly

    • @heliumtrophy
      @heliumtrophy Рік тому

      ITV were actively doing that if I remember correctly - and were right to.

  • @caphowdy666
    @caphowdy666 Рік тому +7

    I think another thing that long played into the perception of Ferrari bias was the whole payouts situation with Ferrari getting more due to their legacy.
    Everything for years had looked like FIA bias towards Ferrari, especially when they were winning championships

  • @Batters56
    @Batters56 Рік тому +10

    A conspiracy theory that I have is that Vettel’s first lap puncture at Abu Dhabi 2011 was “for the show” he’d been winning almost as much as Max is now. The championship was wrapped up, penultimate race of the season, and it was a very odd puncture that Pirelli said was not a tyre failure and didn’t look like debris damage either. Made a good talking point and meant someone else won a race that otherwise Vettel would have “boringly” dominated.
    As an aside I reckon that if Red Bull had dominated as much as this during the Bernie years there would have been some interesting penalties or mid season rule changes “for the show” too.

    • @CyanRooper
      @CyanRooper Рік тому +1

      Bernie famously said "Ferrari winning is good for business" yet he and the FIA came up with that bullshit one tyre rule specifically to stop Ferrari from dominating as TV ratings were plummeting in 2004 due to Schumacher winning everything.

    • @DaFinkingOrk
      @DaFinkingOrk Рік тому +3

      That's a good sign that F1 is more legit now, I guess.

    • @mrdraw2087
      @mrdraw2087 Рік тому +1

      The exhaust had burned a hole in the tire, which caused the puncture.

  • @paulbelson2236
    @paulbelson2236 Рік тому +15

    I remember this very well. Didn't someone demonstrate that Masa actually got a solid tow from Alonso, making his time quicker? 😂

    • @RBenjo21
      @RBenjo21 Рік тому

      I think Ferrari claimed he lost downforce in Parabolica and proved it.

    • @gregoryshtevensh6868
      @gregoryshtevensh6868 Рік тому +1

      He was jabbing the throttle in parabolica which may artificially make sector 3 slower

  • @The_ZeroLine
    @The_ZeroLine 8 місяців тому +2

    Alonso’s had an amazing amount of bad luck when it comes to penalties, rivals not being penalized in incidents that affected him and rule changes that came after they hurt him.

  • @AntoniusTyas
    @AntoniusTyas Рік тому +6

    Oh God another football-motor race crossover. Alfie in HITC Seven also talked about Juventus-Agnelli relation...
    As well as Briatore's takeover of QPR.

    • @y_fam_goeglyd
      @y_fam_goeglyd Рік тому

      Wasn't the QPR takeover banned by the FA, or his ownership of it. I have some vague memory of there being a big row over him being "unfit" to own a football team, especially a top tier one as they were back then. No idea what league they're in now and couldn't care less about it, but back then it was a team worth owning. If a team is ever worth that amount of money and trouble!

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому +2

      The FA’s fit and proper tests are a joke. Considering the absolute vermin that ran clubs like Bury, Coventry, Birmingham and others.

  • @danesorensen1775
    @danesorensen1775 Рік тому +4

    There's also the fact that Monza had been resurfaced just before that race - without Michelin being informed. To quote Mark Webber: "Do you mean to tell me that you can resurface a track in Italy without Ferrari knowing about it? Michelin turned up with their compounds and bang. It’s a small thing, but at the same time it’s massive." Lotta shenanigans going on that year.

  • @Slider5320
    @Slider5320 Рік тому +8

    This season was also a joke because they banned Renault’s mass damper system mid season. The shift in results towards Schumachers favour at this exact moment from the USA onwards is ridiculous.
    I’m still undecided if it was done in aid of Ferrari International Assistance or to try and bring a closer rivalry to spice up the championship. Like a more discreet version of Abu Dhabi 2021.
    Either way it is a lame attempt to effectively manufacture a championship 🙄

    • @thembanjoko2844
      @thembanjoko2844 Рік тому +3

      Ferrari International Assistance, now known as FIA Bull.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Рік тому +1

      In fairness the USA results were still with the mass damper it's just Michelin went *so* conservative with their tires selections you would think they're Ron Desantis lmao
      Germany I believe is when it was banned

    • @Slider5320
      @Slider5320 Рік тому +1

      @@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 oh yeah, you’re right it was Germany when it got banned

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Рік тому

      @@Slider5320 you're right though with how it screwed the championship Renault never again had a car that could under win with pace ever again honestly in retrospect every win since then by the Enstone factory there was circumstances behind with the exception of the 2013 Australian GP and maybe the 08 Japanese GP (They dealt with the graining better than others with Lewis also committing self sabotage on the first lap lol)
      The other wins 2006 Japanese GP Schumi engine blew up
      2008 Singapore GP (Alonso did have race winning pace but.... lmao)
      2012 Abu Dhabi GP Famous McLaren reliability hit again for Lewis plus Seb having a Lewis Barcelona 2012 moment with lack of fuel from quali
      And 2021 Hungarian GP Lewis starting a GP by himself because Mercedes couldnt pit him he would have been screwed
      Interesting when you think about it

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Рік тому

      It was the most egregious in season change I've seen in all my time of watching F1 as well ive been watching seriously since 05 but first started in 03

  • @clansome
    @clansome Рік тому +13

    Did "Massa set the fastest sector 2 laps ..." sentence repeat or was that just me ??

    • @captiannemo1587
      @captiannemo1587 Рік тому +1

      Not just you

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому +2

      Since the video would be long enough for the ad revenue with and without it, it’s a non issue on that front.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому +1

      @@davidvasquez08 been one of those days where had to get video done and 997 other things.

    • @clansome
      @clansome Рік тому +1

      @@AidanMillward Was just curious nothing more. Had it happen to me the other day on a video. Played it again and it was fine. Hope everything is going well on the moving in front.

    • @SteveDull
      @SteveDull Рік тому +1

      5:03 Deja vu or a glitch in the Matrix?

  • @greyone40
    @greyone40 Рік тому +4

    I don't know if this was the penalty that provoked it. On one of the F1 broadcasts (the SpeedTV guys who later were on NBC) they quoted Alonso as saying, "I consider myself a sportsman, but I no longer consider Formula One a sport."

  • @wabba67
    @wabba67 Рік тому +10

    I wish a reporter would some day ask if Alonso still thinks F1 hasn't been a sport since this race in 2006, as he claimed in an interview after receiving his penalty.

    • @dieguitotristan1774
      @dieguitotristan1774 Рік тому +2

      Fernando did say F1 is a circus and more "fake" than other motorsport categories in a recent podcast

    • @GregBrownsWorldORacing
      @GregBrownsWorldORacing Рік тому +3

      We know he didn't think it was a sport when he was driving that MacLaren.

    • @denzel9086
      @denzel9086 Рік тому

      They won’t, just like they never pressed him on his words after China 2006 saying Renault were sabotaging him and not supporting him enough. The guy is so overrated and insufferable, cannot wait until him and his fans leave the sport.

    • @martimxavier9690
      @martimxavier9690 7 місяців тому

      ​@@denzel9086welp, you gonna have to wait a few more years

    • @mike04574
      @mike04574 26 днів тому

      @@dieguitotristan1774 well he was a bit of a clown in 07..

  • @philipbain
    @philipbain Рік тому +4

    I just had to look at the title to know exactly what this video is about, Alonso's penalty still makes my blood boil, absolutely ridiculous, I remember his stance on race day and was 100% with him that it was no longer a fair and transparent sport

  • @CyanRooper
    @CyanRooper Рік тому +8

    I feel like you should do a video on the 2.4 litre V8 era of Formula 1 because that era was probably the most competitive we've ever had. Yes, I know some will say I'm suffering from nostalgia but that 8 season long run from 2006 to 2013 had some incredibly entertaining seasons with only 2011 and 2013 being stinkers (though the 2011 season did have some good races like Canada it just didn't have a close battle for the championship like the other seasons apart from 2013 did).

    • @fix0the0spade
      @fix0the0spade Рік тому +5

      I was going to argue with that, but after thinking about it, in the 2.4L era the title was decided at the final round 5 out of 8 seasons. That feels completely mad after the last decade of F1.

  • @stumorphet5722
    @stumorphet5722 Рік тому +2

    We didn’t have social media, but we did have message boards. And yes the tyre rule was blamed extensively for that failed season. Ah message boards, simpler times

  • @areasquirrel
    @areasquirrel Рік тому +4

    I remember screaming "FIX!!" at the screen because maybe starting further back meant Alonso had to stress the engine harder overtaking people while Mick Dastardly didn't because he could just cruise behind Kimi until the pitstops and collect the win. Try to make the enemy of Ferrari have a blowup, basically.
    The optics were worsened by Michael announcing his departure afterwards. While the people upstairs would likely have not been privy to this, the look wasn't good, conjuring up thoughts of 'shit, the guy who people that don't watch know is leaving, we've gotta make it so he leaves a winner for maximum press coverage and TV viewers, because no one will watch after he's gone'. On that front, I guess... thanks Lewis?! God, that felt weird.

  • @beany1987
    @beany1987 Рік тому +5

    Flavio accusing others of cheating 😂😂

  • @SamuelSantos_
    @SamuelSantos_ Рік тому

    2:46 The rear wheels on that Honda are beautiful

  • @Sticktothemodels
    @Sticktothemodels Рік тому +2

    Michael Jordan comment is hilarious considering they would call him for travels where he only took two steps because he was so quick. Lebron would’ve been a far better and more accurate example

  • @azapro911
    @azapro911 Рік тому +1

    Uncomfortable truth is that the FIA really do intervene on behalf of certain teams and/or drivers.

  • @scsutton1
    @scsutton1 Рік тому +1

    Could you do a video about the last time that the BTCC raced on the full Donington Park GP circuit in 2002, given that the BTCC will be doing so this weekend?

  • @heliumtrophy
    @heliumtrophy Рік тому +1

    All I'll say is Channel 4's Football Italia brought up an entire generation of people from the UK and Ireland on how to pronounce Calcio. Great intro too!

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому

      GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZOOOOOOO-OOOOO-OOOOOOOOOOO
      Also taught English kids how to dive.

    • @heliumtrophy
      @heliumtrophy Рік тому

      @@AidanMillward But without the panache....although saying that, Neymar clearly channels Luis Oliveira in terms of diving.

  • @mihaelsoldo4304
    @mihaelsoldo4304 9 місяців тому

    Great video dude. I really like your videos, great topics. Can you make video of Suzuka 2006?
    Keep up with good work bro 👍👍

  • @AC_702
    @AC_702 Рік тому

    One of the best exchanges of this penalty occurred between Martin Brundle and Bernie Ecclestone. Martin said he didn't see how Alonso could have held him up. Bernie said so.ething to the effect that he didn't know what he was talking about and it was as clear as day. Martin responded that he does know F1 and he does know what he's talking about. A very entertaining exchange to watch live on TV and you can tell the smug arrogance of Bernie just overflowing with how he tries to dismiss Martin's analysis, and Martin clapping back at him

  • @Trek001
    @Trek001 Рік тому +1

    A comment about impeding so important you said it twice

  • @aboubakerr
    @aboubakerr Рік тому +1

    omg, i just watched the gridwalk of that GP, where martin confronted mosley about that penalty lol

  • @ianriggers
    @ianriggers Рік тому +1

    I remember this Penalty very well. Was so angry on the Sunday race day that i heard Alonso got the penalty for blocking massa in Qualifying when he didn't and then the race happened and we all knew who was going to win.

  • @jaybower1320
    @jaybower1320 Рік тому

    So did Nico and Lewis, during their carting years, when traveling for a championship Nico stayed with Lewis and his father for the duration of the championship. Living together for almost a full year, it was said that they became super good friends. Nico even credits a lot of what made him so competitive to driving head to head against Lewis in those years. Then the fall out begins during the 2016 season and Nico's "spite-full" retirement at the end of that season for the sole purpose of going out on top. The thing is, it's a common belief that he retired early specifically so Lewis wouldn't be able to "take" the title back from him, basically that the rest of the grid was irrelevant to him and he just wanted to wipe that smug look off of Lewis' face. Absolutely epic if it's true

  • @samuel_boivin
    @samuel_boivin Рік тому

    4:52 "Massa, meanwhile, had complained"
    Nothing to add. Video complete 😅

  • @newjerseywales
    @newjerseywales Рік тому +1

    When the fuck is this channel going to reach 100k subs!? COME ON!

  • @philrussell5258
    @philrussell5258 Рік тому

    Yes, you mentioned the Brum Bull😊

  • @Lego_Huracan_SuperTrofeo
    @Lego_Huracan_SuperTrofeo Рік тому

    5:04 what, you just said that 5 seconds ago 😂

  • @coolc2452
    @coolc2452 Рік тому +1

    The fia are now red bull international association

    • @RACECAR
      @RACECAR Рік тому

      Looking through their history, I just refer to them by one name only: Bullshit.

  • @arthurguitar
    @arthurguitar Рік тому

    4:53 bit of an editing glitch editing glitch

  • @mrkipling2201
    @mrkipling2201 Рік тому

    Juventus were demoted to Serie B, the 2nd Division in Italy, and had their previous 2 League title wins stripped from them..

  • @jacekatalakis8316
    @jacekatalakis8316 Рік тому

    Since you opened that door, now we need a look at Superleague Formula. I remember being interested for that and pleasantly shocked how good Bruce Jouanny was on commentary, plus I liked the 45 mins + 1 lap idea they had as well as a few other rules, even if watching it was a pain on slow af interwebs because we at least in my area did not have any channels that showed it. Liverpool, as ever, had arguably the best car on the grid. Better than the Newcastle liveried 90s GT1 monster Lister Storm.
    There. I said it. And let's not forget the rip off that was the official SLF game, charging some £30 for a glorified rFactor mod
    EDIT: As far as Calciopoli goes, there were two arguably just as big scandals, the Totonero scandals, and Juve's recent trouble. When Ferrari save their drama for on rack, you know things are weird

  • @MrMarbles
    @MrMarbles Рік тому

    what's with the double take at min 5 06?

  • @King_Goat_JJ
    @King_Goat_JJ Рік тому

    I was a massive Michael & Ferrari & 10 years old. Even I thought well hold on, how's that impeding? Whatever terbutaline air Massa was experiencing in the corners would of made up more from the slipstream the Renault was punching for the Ferrari. When Alonso's engine blew up ITV was in an ad break & coming back from the break I jumped up & down that Alonso's engine went bye bye. After the race in the press conference, Michael announced his retirement; like in 2000 when Michael starting crying in the press conference, it was my turn six years later

  • @minibus9
    @minibus9 Рік тому

    awesome video

  • @jamesrichards2980
    @jamesrichards2980 Рік тому

    Having just watched the race highlights and how poorly George Russell did. I wonder if there's something interesting in First to Last races. Instead of someone winning from the back, someone losing (last on road) from the front?

  • @King_Ears
    @King_Ears Рік тому

    Deja Vu back again at @4:53 🫣

  • @tdmddo
    @tdmddo Рік тому +1

    Ferrari failed as soon as Ferrari international assistance was removed

    • @johannessamuelsson6578
      @johannessamuelsson6578 Рік тому +1

      Basically yes, and that's kind of sad, but also ironic considering that both Brawn and Todt themselves would join the FIA in 2009 . Thank heavens that this cross-recruiting doesn't happen on the sportscar side of things.

  • @tamassky
    @tamassky Рік тому

    2:41 Bojler eladó 😂

  • @sparky4878
    @sparky4878 Рік тому

    Is the blurb under the video wrong? For another video?

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому

      No, it’s a reference to another dodgy penalty that seemed to help Michael when he needed it.

  • @Pewnhound112
    @Pewnhound112 8 місяців тому

    Two points: professional sports is a business first, and the governing bodies will do everything in their power without making it blatantly obvious, to protect their starring entities. FIA, NBA, NFL, UEFA, FIFA, they are all the same in that respect.
    My second point: yeah, the FIA has to bend at the knee for the Agnelli family for the ever-present threat of the….uhhh…let’s just call it the ‘M’ word.

  • @sanfordcurtis8242
    @sanfordcurtis8242 Рік тому

    Alonso retired on Lap 43 at Italy ‘06

    • @mrdraw2087
      @mrdraw2087 Рік тому +1

      He completed 43 laps, so he retired on the 44th lap.

  • @PaperBanjo64
    @PaperBanjo64 Рік тому

    Ha ha at that burn on Miranda Sings! All aboard! The toxic gossip train!

  • @Lukeywoodsey
    @Lukeywoodsey Рік тому

    Imagine "just" winning 4 races in a row...

  • @methanoid
    @methanoid Рік тому +2

    LOL, editting fail. 04:53 and 05:03 🙂

  • @AdamMGTF
    @AdamMGTF Рік тому

    As one of them people; It's not that I don't like football comparisons to Motorsport. It's just that I don't understand them. You may as well compare Motorsport to figure skating or extreme lawn mowing it something. I couldn't name 3 footballers if there was a million quid on it.
    That's my issue with football references. They aren't a reference. Just another language I don't understand (and don't wish to 😂)

  • @321-Gone
    @321-Gone Рік тому

    00:17 - What?

  • @VonBlade
    @VonBlade Рік тому +1

    Ferrari International Associates became FIAMG. There is always politics.

    • @thembanjoko2844
      @thembanjoko2844 Рік тому +1

      More Like FIABull.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому +2

      Yeah, all those times the FIA banned something on the Merc to slow it down was really helping them out wasn’t it?

    • @VonBlade
      @VonBlade Рік тому +1

      @@AidanMillward I just meant perception. Much like the other reply perceives a Red Bull bias. I've seen it all from '79 and think there are as many dodgy things one way as another. But I'm a McLaren fan, so I've no dog in the fight.

  • @PH-jv4ik
    @PH-jv4ik Рік тому

    Juventus, F1 and cheating seems all so recent oddly enough.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому +1

      And Arrivabene was in the club at that point.

  • @denzel9086
    @denzel9086 Рік тому

    Alonso, always the victim apparently according to his supporters and himself. Never can take accountability for his own failings and lack of ability/concentration.

  • @scrubsrc4084
    @scrubsrc4084 Рік тому

    The italian scandel was a joke. They halved their punishments as soon as nobody was watching

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому +1

      The Italian legal system is all for show.

  • @mrdraw2087
    @mrdraw2087 Рік тому

    So Alonso gave Massa a nice tow and as a reward his 3 fastest laps were taken away from him?

  • @thebucketofawesomeness8700
    @thebucketofawesomeness8700 Рік тому

    Did you mean to leave in the double 3 tenths sentences?

  • @newjerseywales
    @newjerseywales Рік тому +1

    Any thoughts on the proposed Kiev F1 race in 2027?

    • @DaFinkingOrk
      @DaFinkingOrk Рік тому +2

      That's like 'proposing' you'll go to Pyongyang for a holiday in 2027. It's completely insane but you can cancel the idea in 2025 after getting some attention in the meantime.

    • @RACECAR
      @RACECAR Рік тому

      Not quite optimistic on that if I'm honest...

  • @B8kedBean
    @B8kedBean Рік тому

    Couch-op-oli 😉

  • @The_ZeroLine
    @The_ZeroLine 8 місяців тому

    It’s not your fault because obviously you’re not familiar with the NBA, but Jordan was not getting away with travels that other players would have been called for. However, after the NBA decided MJ was their cash cow, there were many questionable fouls called on his defenders.

  • @TonySpike
    @TonySpike Рік тому

    I believe that Calcio (Italian for footy) is pronounced as Calchio mate
    Just incase you ever get to say it again lol

  • @GregBrownsWorldORacing
    @GregBrownsWorldORacing Рік тому

    Apologizing for a soccer analogy doesn't make it easier for Yanks to understand, :) Except in this case.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Рік тому

      Maybe you could get with the rest of the world and play it. 😅