An affordable and quick win for the new government indeed. FPR will continue to be a process, but this interim solution works for both sides. This is a very positive step for the future of our doctors. Well done young man!
A lot of these crises seem manufactured - training bottlenecks, pay awards below inflation, etc. Why do you think that is? If we all know what causes long waiting lists and increased mortality then surely DHSC does too? I often wonder if this is financial, fiscal, political, philosophical? It would be nice to hear your thoughts in a video
Things mostly financial, either now or looking long term. Some things however are slightly more philosophical - Hunt was very determined to 'break' the doctors specifically.
In theory yes, but more doctors also = more consultants, which are expensive. For many years the UK has deliberately under-recruited specialist doctors in each specialty, resulting in a significant consultant shortage. This is done purposefully. The problem is that nobody discusses this directly with the public in an accessible way - including the Royal Colleges who are the ones that do the calculations for the workforce. As a result, the public (imo) doesn't understand that specialist doctors and GPs are throttled and that this leads to longer waiting times.
What going do Welfare state benefits Labour government the hammer 🔨 it Thomas.. Afraid you correct Dr Ollie October 30 Budget she put up taxation Rachel Reeves. Benefits up with average earnings no it in line with inflation rate.
Awesome. Brilliant content 22% rise Junior Doctors in NHS England pay restoration. But politically Thomas yes conservative government want it tied productivity in NHS. Labour government did deal with the Juniors Doctors in NHS in England London Britain United Kingdom. Conceded British government in England London United Kingdom. Italy not agreed to it politically it give to much with agreement no agreement on productivity in NHS England. Thinking about Italian citizen system private healthcare. Bevin set up NHS his mistake nationalization hospital in 1948 BMA GPs the het paid gold sovereigns in months of Doctors he actually socialist Thomas.
22% is ripping it, and its all the private businesses that will pay for it! absolutely ridiculous amount to be offered. and it won't improve any of the service. the good news, is this will be used as a catalyst to move it out of public and into private
We started striking when we had a real terms 26% pay cut. After accepting this deal we have a 20.8% pay cut. Think he made a small error in your video. Happy to be corrected
Ollie, I just found about this and I'm extremely sad to hear the horrible conditions the UK doctors are facing due to the NHS's gross incompetence. It's good to see though that progress is being made to improve the lifestyle of doctors there. Ollie, I have a question for you. I'm in my first year of medicine, but I'm from a third world country. I was thinking about coming to the UK, but it doesn't seem like it would be a wise decision to do so. Would you recommend young people to try to aim for the UK, or should they try pursuing other options like the US and Australia? You've seen the good, the bad and the ugly of the system, and I hope you'll give me your honest opinion on this. Thank you!
@@pierzing.glint1sh76 Well if they can afford it then yes they'll do everything in their power to leave. My brother's also in the same medschool as I am and all of his friends are planning the same (including my brother) and I'm being advised to try to get out of the country as well.
The job market for IMGs is particularly tough at the moment because almost all trusts are asking for at least a year of NHS experience to shortlist applications. It's an extremely competitive process now to get a trust grade position because of the training bottle neck and oversaturation of the market. While this may improve by the time you graduate, currently the trend is getting worse rather than better. Right now, as an IMG myself, I wouldn't advise the UK being plan A.
@@IbrahimHamedBaghdadi Sad state of affairs because your country needs your doctors more than we do but this has been the case for decades For context, I am a UK based GP and have been a junior doctor here and so I know the positives and the negatives, but money is money and that's ultimately what you and we are all chasing. Even if the money is more attractive for a junior doctor in UK than in your country, I'd advise you to stay and in the long term you will have a better quality of life as a consultant and respect and relative income in your home country than in the UK where you are just a cog in the machine and taxed through the nose. Don't come to the UK just for money you will find it will get stale very quickly. It only looks nice in the beginning at junior level.
There is no way going on strike again is going to be popular with the general public after accepting this deal. People will not see us in a good light. and it’s political suicide. There’s also no point in leaving the BMA. We’re just going to have to grin and bear it.
There are plenty of people in the public who already think we're paid too much after accepting this deal. Regardless of how far away we still are from FPR, the way the deal has been presented is that this is a 22% increase in pay. To most of the public, that's unheard of. I think calling off the strikes for now actually improves our position with the public because it shows that we're not an unreasonable union. I believe that Labour want to avoid further strikes in the future, so I'm perhaps naively hoping they'll give a decent pay rise next year as well to avoid political fallout. But if the need for strikes reemerges then at least sufficient time will have passed for the collective short-term memory to have kicked in and the tension to be less. Strategically i think it's a sound decision.
The reality is you have stagnated the pay restoration for about 10 more years. You’ve left the table for negotiation by accepting a deal, it’s unacceptable to renegotiate…
@@pierzing.glint1sh76your utterly deluded. I’m hoping to get AI into to NHS so we can start to get rid of doctors, the sooner the better. You’re utterly deluded and selfish beyond belief.
Drs and nurses meant Vote conservative party UK general election something went wrong politically in England London Britain. Tories do believe in Welfare state on NHS policy politically no Thomas. Awesome thanks. You make good MP politically Thomas.
An affordable and quick win for the new government indeed. FPR will continue to be a process, but this interim solution works for both sides. This is a very positive step for the future of our doctors. Well done young man!
Very disappointed in this outcome, don't think we'll gather this much momentum again in the future
A lot of these crises seem manufactured - training bottlenecks, pay awards below inflation, etc. Why do you think that is? If we all know what causes long waiting lists and increased mortality then surely DHSC does too? I often wonder if this is financial, fiscal, political, philosophical? It would be nice to hear your thoughts in a video
Things mostly financial, either now or looking long term. Some things however are slightly more philosophical - Hunt was very determined to 'break' the doctors specifically.
@@OllieBurtonMed but surely more doctors = more procedures = more income for trusts and better voters satisfaction?
In theory yes, but more doctors also = more consultants, which are expensive. For many years the UK has deliberately under-recruited specialist doctors in each specialty, resulting in a significant consultant shortage. This is done purposefully. The problem is that nobody discusses this directly with the public in an accessible way - including the Royal Colleges who are the ones that do the calculations for the workforce. As a result, the public (imo) doesn't understand that specialist doctors and GPs are throttled and that this leads to longer waiting times.
@@OllieBurtonMed definitely good video topic! I don't think this is discussed enough
What going do Welfare state benefits Labour government the hammer 🔨 it Thomas.. Afraid you correct Dr Ollie October 30 Budget she put up taxation Rachel Reeves. Benefits up with average earnings no it in line with inflation rate.
Awesome. Brilliant content 22% rise Junior Doctors in NHS England pay restoration. But politically Thomas yes conservative government want it tied productivity in NHS. Labour government did deal with the Juniors Doctors in NHS in England London Britain United Kingdom. Conceded British government in England London United Kingdom. Italy not agreed to it politically it give to much with agreement no agreement on productivity in NHS England. Thinking about Italian citizen system private healthcare. Bevin set up NHS his mistake nationalization hospital in 1948 BMA GPs the het paid gold sovereigns in months of Doctors he actually socialist Thomas.
22% is ripping it, and its all the private businesses that will pay for it! absolutely ridiculous amount to be offered. and it won't improve any of the service. the good news, is this will be used as a catalyst to move it out of public and into private
So what’s the f1 starting salary from 2025/2026
We started striking when we had a real terms 26% pay cut. After accepting this deal we have a 20.8% pay cut. Think he made a small error in your video. Happy to be corrected
I did, you're right! Verbal slip
Genuinely very excited to see this video!
Ollie, I just found about this and I'm extremely sad to hear the horrible conditions the UK doctors are facing due to the NHS's gross incompetence. It's good to see though that progress is being made to improve the lifestyle of doctors there.
Ollie, I have a question for you. I'm in my first year of medicine, but I'm from a third world country. I was thinking about coming to the UK, but it doesn't seem like it would be a wise decision to do so. Would you recommend young people to try to aim for the UK, or should they try pursuing other options like the US and Australia? You've seen the good, the bad and the ugly of the system, and I hope you'll give me your honest opinion on this. Thank you!
Do most graduates from your home country become a doctor and try to leave as soon as they can ?
@@pierzing.glint1sh76 Well if they can afford it then yes they'll do everything in their power to leave. My brother's also in the same medschool as I am and all of his friends are planning the same (including my brother) and I'm being advised to try to get out of the country as well.
Oz has less hours and higher pay for a junior doctor. No idea what the career progression is like though
The job market for IMGs is particularly tough at the moment because almost all trusts are asking for at least a year of NHS experience to shortlist applications. It's an extremely competitive process now to get a trust grade position because of the training bottle neck and oversaturation of the market. While this may improve by the time you graduate, currently the trend is getting worse rather than better. Right now, as an IMG myself, I wouldn't advise the UK being plan A.
@@IbrahimHamedBaghdadi Sad state of affairs because your country needs your doctors more than we do but this has been the case for decades
For context, I am a UK based GP and have been a junior doctor here and so I know the positives and the negatives, but money is money and that's ultimately what you and we are all chasing.
Even if the money is more attractive for a junior doctor in UK than in your country, I'd advise you to stay and in the long term you will have a better quality of life as a consultant and respect and relative income in your home country than in the UK where you are just a cog in the machine and taxed through the nose.
Don't come to the UK just for money you will find it will get stale very quickly. It only looks nice in the beginning at junior level.
Congratulations, Dr. Ollie! Thank you for all your hard work and the work of your collogues in educating us.
That’s my G! Nice approach, clarified the deal!
Can you make a short/video about what sas drs are. I’ve read up on it on nhs website but don’t quite get it
Yep absolutely, great idea
Anyone know if doctors working as clinical research fellows (employed by university) are entitled to the back pay?
There is no way going on strike again is going to be popular with the general public after accepting this deal. People will not see us in a good light. and it’s political suicide. There’s also no point in leaving the BMA. We’re just going to have to grin and bear it.
There are plenty of people in the public who already think we're paid too much after accepting this deal. Regardless of how far away we still are from FPR, the way the deal has been presented is that this is a 22% increase in pay. To most of the public, that's unheard of. I think calling off the strikes for now actually improves our position with the public because it shows that we're not an unreasonable union. I believe that Labour want to avoid further strikes in the future, so I'm perhaps naively hoping they'll give a decent pay rise next year as well to avoid political fallout. But if the need for strikes reemerges then at least sufficient time will have passed for the collective short-term memory to have kicked in and the tension to be less. Strategically i think it's a sound decision.
No one seems to answer how much doctors' will be earning henceforth
If you follow the link in the description, there's a table in there with the answer for each grade
Did Labour government bump him politically Matthew smith yes he Tories Thomas.
The reality is you have stagnated the pay restoration for about 10 more years. You’ve left the table for negotiation by accepting a deal, it’s unacceptable to renegotiate…
Pretty much, it shouldn't have been accepted
@@pierzing.glint1sh76your utterly deluded.
I’m hoping to get AI into to NHS so we can start to get rid of doctors, the sooner the better.
You’re utterly deluded and selfish beyond belief.
Drs and nurses meant Vote conservative party UK general election something went wrong politically in England London Britain. Tories do believe in Welfare state on NHS policy politically no Thomas. Awesome thanks. You make good MP politically Thomas.