In A Mirror Darkly Sequence - Escape of TOS Defiant
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- Star Trek: Enterprise In a Mirror Darkly Sequence from when Archer and crew fire up the USS Defiant (TOS) until they escape from the dock where the ship was being held, edited to be continuous from Part1's conclusion to the beginning of Part 2. My Favorite Enterprise episode, showcasing the old Kirk style ship with CGI technology. Well Done, especially the weaponry.
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This episode proves two things. That Mirror Universe episodes are always good, and that the TOS Constitution still looks good today.
3 things:
Connies do in fact have aft torpedoes. :)
And then Star Trek Discoveru Ruined the Connie and the enteprise
@@Proudtrekkie96 Nowhere near as bad as the JJ Abrahms vacuum packed abortion.
@@davidknowles2491 I actually loved it.
@@Proudtrekkie96 You *loved* that lumpen monstrosity?!
this scene is absolutely perfect. they even got the S3 TOS bridge sound effects right. pure gold, and irrefutable in-uinverse proof that TOS-era technology does not have to be retconned to look and sound believable in the 21st century.
From what i've read, the producers watched "The Tholian Web-TOS" to get the details right for this. Up to and including the positions of the dead on the bridge and elsewhere to match the old series.
Not to mention that this was done in 2005 which by most accounts is NOT that long ago
You can make arguments that the interior sets could use some touchups, but the ship model itself is still perfectly fine and absolutely didn't need a change to that overdesigned mess with go-faster cutouts that is the discoprise.
i'd like to see abit less jolly ranchers and more labels/screens but yes, this design does not need a single thing changed from an exterior point of view.
That Evil Terran Smile that Archer and Reed shared when they destroyed the Tholian Ships! PRICELESS!
I am a huge fan of all the Trek series. But for me, there is no sound effect that I love more than the visceral scream of the old school phasers. You can almost feel the immense power coming out when they fire.
I agree. I also loved the sound of the original series' photon torpedoes. When you heard a volley of those being fired, you knew the enemy was about to receive a huge punch.
Agreed. Nothing can beat the old "Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz".
The Gmork
Yes, indeed. I liked that episode. Another interesting one was "The Apple", in which a primitive society was sacrificing its members to an alien computer called Vaal. Kirk ordered the Enterprise to fire its phasers at Vaal, who tried to fend off the attack with a force field, but to no avail.
Totally agree. I loved it when the phasers just kept on firing, holding on target, the rising pitch adding to the drama. Never matched by later Trek.
To me it sounds like a childs toy gun...
I always thought revisiting the TOS era would seem dated but I absolutely love the way they remained so faithful to the original designs here. Plus it definitely seems much more advanced and futuristic compared to the NX class, despite the NX being more detailed
I think that it works well because the NX is more detailed as it's more or less just bolted together cramming in as much as possible, but the Constitution class looks refined, like once they got the tech they then spent time refining it instead of constantly looking for another new thing to bolt on. So for a while things were almost too sleek, too covered up, impractically smoothed out and simplified to make sure it looked as elegant as possible compared to it's predecessors, giving it it's iconic look. Then as time went on the pendulum swung back towards practicality, trying to reach a better harmony of form and function, starting with the refits.
@@nikolai60 I read that the NX set design was based on a Los Angeles-class attack sub.
@@nikolai60 Well put into words
It was cool seeing the old set with modern photography, handheld cameras, fast zooms, etc.
What I love is in the original series the Constitution-class was always outgunned. But in Enterprise due to being from the future, it mops the floor everyone. It’s like bringing an M-16 back to the musket days.
In lore the Constitution class was actually a huge leap forward for the Federation in capability compared to the previous ship designs. Early TOS lore is somewhat...flexible...but it is allegedly the design that ended the first Klingon war. Also, I still appreciate the blue phasers. Clearly an Andorian contribution.
More like a Garand.
Familiar in many ways, mainly asthetically.
But most definitely different in most other ways.
I disagree Designation is Constitution class Heavy Cruiser..they could take way more pounding from weapons of the era compared to the Enterprise D
@@dougbarkdull3469 That is questionable. Without shields in Star Trek 6 a torpedo did major damage to the saucer of the A. In Generations a torpedo to the side of the engineering hull did not do as much damage also with no shields.
Torpedoes can have different yields....@@SiXiam
One of my all time favorite scenes in Enterprise is the very start of this clip, when the power comes back online, the camera pans, the lights and TOS sounds coming on. They did a really good job of bringing the look and feel of TOS to modern day.
I loved the camerawork as well. It was fun to see the familiar TOS bridge being shot in such a different way.
That evil smile that Archer and Malcolm shared as they were destroying the Tholian ships from the Defiant priceless I smiled too! True Terrans indeed Long Live the Terran Empire!
Remember how excited everyone was about this episode and how well they handled the "new vs old" dichotomy? The producers of _Star Trek Discovery_ should've taken note.
Exactly.
They did.
Doesn't show.
@@procyon6370 Doesn't show what?
Response to Paul Scott
This episode of Enterprise, showing us a 1960s era 23rd century starship set and the CGI model even in 2005, should prove to anyone that loves Discovery, that the old school look is pretty timeless if you give it just a few minor tweaks here and there...instead they went the way of JJ Trek.
Well that's exactly what Disco did do when it came time to show off the Enterprise. But I love the Disco Bridge too because it it looks like a precursor to that massive Excelsior bridge we see in Search for Spock.
@@paulscott2037butnits still not right to this
I can't believe this was posted to UA-cam over a decade ago! That was back when UA-cam had been out for only a year and a half!
7 years later...
Watching the Defiant power up was a real treat. I've love a series set aboard another Connie.
"ST: Continues" ,on UA-cam,is your Answer!
I have to admit...I never would have expected a Terran Imperial captain to sacrifice himself to save his crew. I guess even the mirror counterpart of Forrest had some good in him.
He did it for Hoshi, his mistress and not for his crew!
Admiral Forrest seem like a nice guy, even in mirror universe.
Backula did great with his part, the entire cast really excelled in this two parter.
I don't know about other folks, but man, when I heard the scream of those original series phasers fire, I had one of the biggest Trek nostalgia moments ever!!
There's nothing like that sound!
THIS was the best episodes of ST:E!
It also PROVES that the TOS set designs and uniforms were still a valid and workable choice, than the JJ-verse inspired ones.
STD is a disease...
Man, I don't know about you after have seen Discovery, Picard and even Stange New World, I have absolutely became a fan of Lower Decks...that's the only show that give some fine continuity lore and it's even a cartoon, as such it last only 27 minutes, which is the true tragedy since it make at least 30 times better in lore fidelity that the rest combine
This and the Augment episodes.
Loved the sounds of the classic constitution bridge as it springs to life. These two episodes were my favorite of the whole series, being the most dynamic and ironically the characters felt more "alive" then their usual prime universe selves.
the whole "in a mirror darkly" just showed how badass the old constitution class was.
"Does this thing have aft torpedoes?"
"You better BELIEVE it!"
"They're armed...!!"
Epic...
They could have done a whole season with this arc.
Man, I would PAY for a series with Empress Sato
Loved the In a Mirror Darkly episodes. The Original Series suddenly looked badass!
Suddenly? It always has!
+Captain Kirk Gaming Not really. It was good, don't get me wrong, but, frankly, when compared to the other Trek series, I'd put it at the worst. The writing wasn't the greatest, the 'planet of the week' episodes were rather dull, and it's kinda hard to watch. The better episodes (such as the Trouble with Tribbles, and the original mirror episode Mirror, Mirror) had something either very unique, or was very humorous. Both the Trouble with Tribbles, and Mirror, Mirror were touched on again, particularly in DS9. But, a lot of TOS series is kind of forgettable, and rather dull. But, we love it, because it was the original, and it set the track for 50 years of a glorious Sci-Fi series. But, if there's one thing I've noticed with TV shows, and some movies, the first is the worst. In TV shows, the first season isn't going to the best season (except Firefly because there only was one season) because of the fact that they're still setting things up, and haven't gotten the proper footing yet. Every Trek series went through this. TOS season 2, TNG season 3-7, DS9 seasons 4-7, VOY seasons 4-7, and ENT season 4. Even with movies. Remember the Motion Picture, and how crumby it was compared to the Wrath of Kahn? So, frankly, I do believe TOS is the worst Star Trek series. But, that's just my opinion.
lol did anyone else LOVE when the Defiant fired its phasers and torpedoes. this was long before the remastered versions of the original series and the first time since TOS that we saw a constitution class ship in battle.
I wish enterprise would have had a fifth season.
archer is underrated.
Yeah, feels like they ended Enterprise just as it was starting to get good.
@@AndrewChapman The only reason is started getting good is that they knew it was going to be cancelled. So, Berman stepped aside and let Manny Coto do what he wanted. It's unfortunately, really.
it was on CBS i believe or NBC which both have a rep of killing off good shows while keeping less performing shows to cut costs n stuff i bet if the series continued the nx-01 she could of gotten a major refit like to match or even be better than her sister ship the nx-02
as much as I didn't like enterprise compared to other star treks.. I do agree. whoever made the decision to cancel this show is an idiot.
a modern TOS show? yes please...oh wait they did make one!
Star Trek: Continues!
henkman00 Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase 2: Am I a joke to you?
that was hardly a modern day TOS.. i don't understand why people say that. they're nothing alike. and the technology was often more advance in enterprise which makes no sense. plus, enterprise can't possibly be Canon. it creates way too many plot holes for the original series. so who cares.
Star Trek Continues is a fan made show and a good one too.
@@johnilarde8440
they are good too!
I may have commented on this video before, I don't remember for sure, but if the Enterprise In a Mirror Darkly was released as a movie in the theater, I would have considered that money well spent.
It would have been an awesome movie.
The old girl looks good with modern special effects. Makes one wonder why they didn't use the original designs in the new films.
Because JJ Abrams is a twat.
Wat? The 2000s shitty CGI graphics really show in my opinion.... :/
That had nothing to do with it, Teather, that really is just a big rumour.
JJ Abrams wanted to redesign everything completely. That was his choice. If you look at a lot of the designs proposed for the 2009 film, some of the Enterprise designs were very close to the original, some were very close to the TMP era refit with different nacelles. Same for the interiors. There's a very high res image of a bridge concept for the Enterprise that is much more evocative of the TOS design, with reds and bright splashes of color.
Abrams simply wanted to strike a new visual look. Which, there's nothing nessacarily wrong with that. However if you don't think the original 1960s Enterpise can be updated to look the part for a modern film, I suggest looking up either the "TOS 1.5 Enterprise" design, or the very very excellent "The Prime Alternative Enterprise" which shows just how far you can push the original Enterprise with subtle detailing to get it to look good.
Le Reff by today's standards. Who knows how amazing it would've looked today.
Alexander Rios most likely generic like any other starship in science fiction nowadays
My favorite part was the sound of the phasers and the photon torpedoes. They even used the original blue color!
4:13. I have to confess, I loved hearing the sound of the old photon torpedoes.
I love Trip's reply "You better believe it."
The mirror universe Tholians are much faster at web building than the ones encountered by Kirk's Enterprise.
I think it actually did a pretty good job of showing the NX as the start of a "design lineage" that would ultimately produce the Constitution and the thinking that went into how to make the NX look more "primitive," like the cramped submarine-like architecture and bare-metal appearance vs. the "roomier" Connie with its wider corridors, higher ceilings and "cleaner" appearance with machinery tucked behind bulkheads. Works even better if you stick the ST:09 Kelvin in the middle of the comparison.
These two eps r by far my faves of this series. I've must've watched this a dozen or more times!
The best 2 episodes of the entire series. It was a shame the show was canceled before the 5th season.
They squandered a lot of fan goodwill with that awful Xindi arc.
Captain Archer. Is. Chewing. The Scenery!
Better than Kirk, whose dead body is chewing the carpet
This sequence represents more respect for continuity in one frame than _Discovery_ has in it's entirety.
Exactly. It felt no need to make "cosmetic updates." The Defiant rocks the TOS looks and manages to feel far more advanced than the ships of the ENT era.
This two episodes are absolutely amazing and have some of the greatest Star Trek battles of all times. Great music and drama too.
I'm pretty sure if you if you go back to the comments of 2003 for when the first clips for Enterprise came out, you'd find similar comments to how Enterprise wasn't real Star Trek and had no respect for the continuality and fans.
Fast forward to 2018, and one thing a lot of people seem to agree with is that while Enterprise got off to a poor start, the writing and acting steadily improved, and that by its cancelation the episodes they were churning out were some of the best in the franchise, but to few people had stayed with the series up to that point.
Discovery is far from perfect, but keep in mind the actors and writers need to be given time to ion out the kinks in the series. TOS didn't really get popular until it went into syndication, the first season of TNG had some appalling episodes that Discovery hasn't come close to replacing yet, and as I said before Enterprise wasn't perfect as the start.
I'm just making this comment as I think Discovery can improve, but it won't have the chance if people just right it off.
15 years from now, 12 years after Discovery was cancelled after the 3rd season due to poor rating, do you really want to be listening to everyone moan about how Amazon's Prime new series Star Trek Resurrection is a giant slap in the face to fans, and that Discovery was just as good series by the end because that was just when the cast and writers were churning out superior episodes to season 1?
Just saying, it could easily happen.
Discovery is improving, the new "mirror universe" arc works very well as a sequel to this. Wonder if we will get a look at the old Defiant after being modified for a century.ua-cam.com/video/734jRPvLTLk/v-deo.html
Tim Hare fans didn't like these things about enterprise:
Intro theme
The complicated time story arc
The rest of the show was fine, but a ton of people always bring that excuse up, that star trek fans hated enterprise
1:57 Dang it, all my stuff was over there!
Tell me something, do you really believe that Star Fleet engineers would be so dumb as to build ships with a blind spot to the rear that enemy ships can take advantage of? Just because we never saw Kirk use the rear firing arcs, does not mean they were not present and now that a vessel from the Constitution class has appeared in an official show with rear firing weapons, they are part of Star Trek canon.
We hear the term “aft phasers” in TOS comm chatter a few times.
@@jamiethedinosaur869yea aft phasers come from that bulb above the shuttle bay, iirc.
What a beautiful episode
The best EP of Star trek enterprise
These were the two best episodes of this series. Even the entry being redone to be violent was pure gold.
I always loved other starships and other uniform logos. T-Pau was a knockout in her go go uniform and that nice Defiant logo. Only the second Star Trek episode with my favorite Alien, the Gorn.
Gorn Hegonomy
That redo of the girl was stupid and ugly with its cartoony stretching neck.
In TOS the Starship Defiant crossed an interdemintional subspace anomaly. Which also sent them back in time, causing the original crew to go insane and kill each other.
This entire scene > Every Star wars movie
That moment at the end when he's considering to even rescue those escape pods...
@F14ace
That's my point exactly. I'm honestly tired of the negative, rude, and hateful comments that I see on every Star Trek video on You Tube. It's just ridiculous. Gene Roddenberry would be ashamed of us Trek fans acting like this. I appreciated him creating a wonderful franchise about an optimistic future and I hope someday it will happen in real life. He will greatly be missed.
Trip is a good engineer no matter the universe - a ship with technology years ahead and he handles it...
I was like 4 when it first came out. I pretty much didnt REALLY see it untill the 1980s when Nickelodeon started showing it.
Still you can find it on DVD these days fairly easily.
This episode was amazing.
and Maxwell Forrest behave like hero in both universes :D
Great clip, beauty shots and weaponry
This TOS bridge is amazing. They WISH they had one that looked that good back in the 60s
"OMG teh Consituzions dun't hav aft torpedos!"
I had to quote this from one of the previous comments. It was just too damn funny.
They do, look it up
they did and im pretty sure the only time they where used was in the original movie . i remember saying "hey ,aft torpedoes ! aah crap they didnt help " lol
That was neat when they turned to power on and all the sights and sounds from the original series started up. (No if only it was the USS Enterprise.)
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
I love the way Mirror Archer moves. His posture, his stride, its perfect.
The Defiant seen in the episode is the same one in the episode " The Tholian Web" in the original series. According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia the ship disappered near the Tholian territory.." The Defiant was last seen shimmering, suspended between two dimensions, until it faded into interspace" . Pretty cool, "In A Mirror, Darkly" is like part 2 of that original episode.
Forrest: I'll buy you as much time as I can.
Hoshi: From the helm?
Forrest: Yes.
Hoshi: When the ship is trapped in a web and cannot move? At all.
Forrest: ... bitch.
see, discovery team, this is how you respect canon
For being evil counterparts that admiral was displaying some courageous traits.
I noticed that too.
Yeah, but the "old" constitution class to them was pretty new and awesome.
In Mirror Darkly mirror Archer at least showed he had balls
The Gmork
He was Badass :-)
I'm big fan Archer and Picard, but Archer always look as good scout boy, super good, super cute unlike Kirk or Sisko, maybe with exception of Xindi crisis and this Episode, can you tell me in which episodes Archer showed balls? He was very good captain but certainly not macho or Alpha Male,
That was Trip job xD
@@PawelK198604 and whom did Trip serve?
He is the only Starship Captain who became A President of The United Federation of Planets UFP. Even in the Mirror Universe, Jonathan Archer and James T. Kirk in the Mirror Universe wanted to become Emperors of The Terran Empire.
When I first saw this, recognised the Defiant, I found it bizarre that not long ago, relatively speaking, James T Kirk had been on the bridge of that lost ship.
Love them long lasting blue beams ! Phasers as they should be , not the rat-a-tat-tat red beams
No way! I love Phase 2. Can't wait to see his improved bridge.
The Terrans have no love of each other but when the Tholians destroyed the Enterprise they were united in their desire to exact revenge for their fallen fellow Terrans.
LOVED THESE 2 PARTSERIES
Pity they didn't make a whole season in this universe
What an awesome recreation!
The NX class Enterprise was based on an Akira class model turned upside down because the producers couldn't be bothered to pay for a new model to be created from scratch, That's why it looks more advanced than the TOS era ships.
I wonder if they rebuilt the TOS sets or did a field trip to Ticonderoga to use the recreated set there?
I think the thing all of you critics are missing is this: It is a tv series, it is supposed to be enjoyable, it is supposed to be fun to watch, not a college course on the history of star trek. Keep in mind also that TOS was bound by out of date social values and ideas. Also, something I've noticed is that with every new series a discontinuity pops up, it's not just ENT but ALL of them.
Matt Jeffries, ya done good.
One of the things I find most interesting about this bit it Forrest. He is a Patriot of the Terran Empire, which is the evil version meant to be the antithesis of the good Federation. Despite this, he demands his crew abandon him on the ship (something the crew are clearly reluctant to do) and buys them as much time as he can.
Makes one wonder if the Empire has more like him, or if they are all men like Mirror Archer or Admiral Black.
The original Defiant chair swiveled. This one didn't when they rebuilt the set.
One of my fav Enterprise episodes
Well on the plus side you gotta give them credit for duplicating the look of the sets and Defiant, and proving that TOS era stuff CAN look good even filmed with todays tech. It WAS nice seeing the Defiant swoop in and kick ass. They even fixed the still pictures over the console with images that move.
Even in the Mirror universe, Forrest was a good guy.
Exactly :-)
Well perhaps a good guy no, but the very least evil yes, and admitting it even manage to geet a very honorable death while trying to save his crew. I think it's fair to say none of the other Terran Captain would have been so willing or noble
Great pair of episodes!!!
Best Enterprise Episode ever. Anyone else catch the Irony of the Defiant(s) being the pivotal ship of the Mirror Terrans. (Sisko's Defiant)
this predates sisko's defiant which was in her own defiant class while this defiant is a constitution class
@@dawn1berlitz I know that. It’s just coincidence that the Defiant is the name of the ship that changed the fate of the Mirror Universe. Enterprise is to prime universe as Defiant is to Mirror.
almost no vessel of that time could hope to out-defend against a fully operational TOS Constitution.
I'm sure there are some species who have the necessary power at their disposal
100 years more advanced compared to the other ships
I love Reed....he's always so trigger happy, mirror universe or not. lol
This looks so, so much better than the TOS remastered Enterprise.
it doesn't look any different than the remastered TOS enterprise.
Nice to know that rocking back and forth will still get you free from a snow bank.
One thing I noticed was that Archer seemed very reluctant to bring the Enterprise’s escape pods onboard the Defiant... which made me wonder if he had suspicions regarding Hoshi and the rest of the crew from the get-go.
He probably feared Forrest was on one.
Still even if he doesn't want to there's only few of them on board the Constitution. They still need bunch of crews to operate.
It's honestly kind of annoying how good Enterprise started to get by the end, when it didn't matter anymore.
Commenting on an 18 year old video in 2024! What a shame the Mirror Universe episodes didn't get a chance to really play out in any of the pre 2009 reboot shows and movies
Glad to see that even in the mirror universe the is honor and sacrifice as the stand in captain gives up his life to give his crew time to escape.
This whole arc with the Defiant is like the Federation StarFleet’s worst nightmare. About a primitive hostile race getting their hands on one of their ships or their technology.
Anyone who questions why the Federation and StarFleet doesn’t share technology need only look to the Terran Empire in these episodes from Enterprise to receive their answer.
This was AWESOME episode
1:24 1:36 looks like what i do to the bathroom when i’m on the toilet after extra spicy Chipotle
Agreed, the TOS Connie looks super slick in this, and like it'd kick the shit out of anything that Archer'd run across. Which it pretty much does, as it happens.
No potatoes were harmed in the making of this youtube video.
We all need to get hobbies and I'm of more DS9 fan. The movie looks cool. The set for TOS series was built in the 60's with a small budget and the consoles were built with cardboard.
Since Archer, Reed and Tucker likely retired as flag officers in the "normal" universe, and would be listed as such in the Defiant's database, it is not surprising that the Defiant's computer would accept their control.
WTF are you talking about? Yes the NX design may have been inspired by the Akira, but Voyager was partly inspired by ships that came before it. So was the Enterprise-E.
Designs inspire designs all the time.
This series had the best looking females
I agree with all you said. I doing my own research about Star Trek and the more and more I watch ENT, I find things that don't work with the Kirk and Picard past. Like you said before, there are canon evidences that suggest the NX-01 is too capable for it time period. There are many technology like transporter that don't suppose to exist in the middle of the 22nd Century.
Engineering? You mean there's gonna be an actual set for the engineer warp drive? That's gonna be good!
Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken (and I'm not making any guarantees here), it's being built in Cincinnati. I'm not sure why, given the fact that the production takes place in Port Henry, NY and various other locales.