This DID NOT go well. Testing the brand new Lectron PRO SERIES carburetor | Suzuki RM250 Two Stroke
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- This DID NOT go well. Testing the brand new Lectron PRO SERIES carburetor | Suzuki RM250 Two Stroke
Today we're testing out the all-new Lectron Pro Series carburetor... and boy it did NOT go well. Before we dive into what happened, let's take a closer look at what the Pro Series is & does like no Lectron carb before it ever has
🕘CHAPTERS🕘
0:00 Into to today's new Lectron Pro Series overview, unboxing & ride test on the RM250
1:52 Lectron Pro Series unboxing & overview VS older Lectron Billetron VS stock Mikuni & Keihin
3:42 The all new Torque Jet circuit on the Lectron Pro Series carb - Lectron history lesson
7:28 What do I do with my bike's TPS sensor & power jet solenoid wires when I install a Lectron?
8:50 Do I need to buy a new throttle cable or other parts when I use a Lectron carburetor?
10:02 What's wrong with my bike's stock carb? Why do I need a Lectron? More SIMPLICITY & power
12:16 What is a metering rod? How does a metering rod work?
13:42 Brand new product features for the new Pro Series carburetor w/ mXrevival commentary
17:05 How to remove your stock / OEM Keihin or Mikuni carburetor on all two stroke dirt bikes
21:23 How to install a Lectron Fuel Sytems carburetor on any two stroke dirt bike
28:00 How to adjust your dirt bike throttle cable slack properly & for safety
30:04 Lectron Pro Series first start!! How to set the idle on any dirt bike carburetor
34:48 First ride test on the new Lectron Pro Series carb @skylinemx2975
57:38 Back in the shop talking about electrical issues. Stator, spark plug, coil, etc
1:03:43 How to adjust a Lectron metering rod
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Great break down and explanation of the product function! Lookin forward to seeing what the issue was!
Thanks G!!
Really diggin the see-through float bowl.
liked and subbed - gonna tell my lectron story...
I have one of these carbs and they're great. I have a ktm 125 XC that I bought with 20 hours on it. The old carb had a blown gasket (mikuni), and I replaced it with an amazon kehin 38. I know people will hate it but this was a huge improvement but took some work to tune and eventually I found my way to the billetron 38 since I'm in california and every summer you are going up to elevation or not riding.
This carb was great but took some more work to get right. Anyhow I was talking with the lectron people and they mentioned that they had a buyback program for people that wanted to upgrade to the pro.
After upgrading to the pro, I felt like they got the idle much better out of the box (my billetron 38 was 1.5 turns lean on the metering rod to get it right) and so far I'm just a bit rich on the 2 additional circuits but ride more enduro/trail stuff so it's not a big deal.
Bike starts without a choke cold like yours. Great carb.
Hope you get your bike fixed, it does seem like ignition rather than fuel.
Man oh man, those RM ills are so familiar...I look forward to the follow up video. Keep up the excellent work, bud !
Thank you, Kevin 💪 I appreciate you
@@mxrevivalwhat was the problem? I am having the same issue on my banshee
Great video, Charles. I was a little worries there would be no insertion, but you never let me down. Everytime I see someone removing a subframe, I kick myself in yhe arse for getting a bike without!!! It is very sub-optimal...lol!!!
Haha! I always find a way to penetrate…. As for the removable subframe, can’t help loving the era of bikes you love! 🔥
Nice looking carb like to see that extra hp on a dyno run.keep up the good work.
I put the billitron on my trx250r. I used a brass adjuster from an old pj carb and fired it up first kicked. The only adjustment I had to make was to the idle. It's an awsome carburator!
That is killer! Good job!
Hi Charles. I agree that it does sound like an electrical problem, but I would definitely go for a quick carb swap, back to keihin, or whatever it had on it, just to rule it out. It will let you know for sure before you go replacing The ignition system
I 100% agree, good stuff fir the follow up vid
I just read your Pro 38 Series review on the Lectron website. So I ordered a red one.
I’m gonna guess coil or possibly cdi going bad. Either way looking forward to next video. I have a bike right now doing that same cut out. Different brand though. So I’m curious as to what you come up with. Great video man. !👍
Thanks Mikey! Hope you guys are doing well. I am too, I’d really like to ride this thing at its full potential. (not that I could actually handles its full potential ha ha)
We’re going to find out soon! Cool thing is all these bikes are pretty much, the same sell the fix, for the most part, should be universal
@@mxrevival Doing good man. Just being strong for my mom 💪other than that, trying to enjoy family time and the lake. Dirt bikes are on hold for a minute. I know I know. Dirt bikes are therapy. But being on the lake riding the jet ski around and pulling the kids on the tube is a pretty good time as well. Who says you can’t jump jet skis 😎
Hey Charles I had the same issue on my 06 it was the stator , next to the magnetic pickup wire went bad . Like you thankfully I have backups for my builds.
Could very well be the issue on my end as well! We are going to find out! Also stoked to have some spares, even if we end up buying new, we have some good ones to test with in the meantime
I was hoping for the best but that’s the way it went I ultimately replaced every electrical part on the bike . I really wanted to see the out come on the new Lectron carb but it is what it is with these older 2 smokers
Like they say around here with tractors… “if it ain’t red, it stays in the shed” 😂 seriously I like them all. I still haven’t even tried that Billetron I bought last year. When I get that cylinder, back I can. Can’t wait! A guy from Lectron told me that to be less sensitive to the outside air, the Lectrons are more sensitive to the engine side. So air leaks are a bigger issue with them. I for sure will do a leak down test before starting her up. Everyone probably should really.
Exactly do they are really good sniffers, as I like to say. The highlight issues if they are there.
It looked like you were using a non-resistor spark plug. I had a CR250 that would tolerate a non-resistor for a few hours. It began misfiring and exhibited the traits you had. Eventually the rev limit became lower and lower and then wouldn't fire. Pop in a resistor plug and everything was perfect.
Can those be used on vintage 2 strokes, 78RM250 or a 79 CR250? Awesome video Charles, you could do voice overs on those med commercials, the 50 negative effects and reactions including death in 15 seconds 😅
Morning dude! A lot of times, yes they can be. In fact, if you have time to shoot me an email I have a little sheet I can forward you, that you can use to measure the dimensions on the carburetor you were trying to replace. I can then use that filled out sheet to make sure we have something that will work 🙌 www.mxrevival.com/contact
Hahaha too funny, my caffeine was working good! Thanks for watching bro
Suzukis have plastic linkage bushings top and bottom which connect a rod which opens and closes your power valve. The break and /or come loose frequently. Whenever mine did this and made that iverrev sound at midrange, it was due to a broken bushing. The best thing tobdo is to replace with metal ones from a hardware store. Other than that, carry several of them and seceure with zipties or wire; but they'll still eventually break.
You and them damn bananas... Check that stator and your flywheel. 😉😉😉
Comin’ up!
@@mxrevival that's what she said 🤪🤪🤪
Little different from the way it was running at Cam's! 😭😉. Looking forward to the next to find out what the prob is Chuckie. You testing it back with the stock carb before doing the electrical tests?
My son's yamaha blaster acted similer to this. After i replaced the coil, cap, stator, removed the TORS, went through the wiring it ended up on being a bad kill switch. Also check your ground on your frame to motor if you powder coated the frame.
Amazing suggestions, thanks for adding value to the channel and for watching!
I saw you at skyline on Thursday messing with what looked like the carb, I didn’t know you had installed a new one though
You got it dude! This is exactly what I was messing with. Should’ve roosted me.
@@mxrevival 😂I accidentally made a huge dust cloud go towards your van, I felt bad
Please put the link to the follow video right in the description for this one? And maybe put an on screen card up at the end as well? It’s frustrating to have to find it by weeding thru the comments.
So what was wrong? I'm very curious cause I really like the new Lectron and I'm pretty sure I'm buying one soon. I just got my first KTM (2018 300 XC-W) and I absolutely love it so far. That new Lectron is probably going to be my first upgrade, after a fresh top end.
Oh, the bike came with a free set of plastics because they had Bud Light decals. The PO seemed too confused about what to do with them, so he just gave them to me to be rid of them like some kind of cursed voodoo doll🤣 Free plastics for me! 😁
or cutting out because of timing input is missing from throttle position sensor had this issue with yfz450 on cousins quad when he adjusted idle and threw tps out of adjustment
I had a coil go out on my 06 rm250 a few years ago at the track. Really weak spark and wouldn't start.
Found out dr125 coils are the same so it was cheap to fix.
That’s pretty much exactly what’s going on here. Hoping it’s just a coil and not the stator, and I’m glad I have the spares.
Great information on the crossover! Thanks for sharing that with all of us, my dude
I would like to know the Pro Series performance gains over the older model H-series. New subscriber here.
Thanks for hanging with me. Biggest difference is going to be off the bottom. Massive improvement from H!
Probably makes your packing last longer and less crud build up in da pipe as well 😮
If your plug boot wasn't making good contact and arcing it probably got really hot and may have melted internally or melted the end of the coil wire. I'd swap it for a new one and cut the used end off the wire first. Worst case it fried the coil or cdi. Good luck 👍
Electrical testing next! Busting out the meter
All that shit talking Keihin just for the lectron to fail LOL. Great video brother
I would suggest a Kehin air stryker and a STIC metering block.
You wouldn’t be caught dead with a lectron, searching around for a throttle cable.
I’ve heard good things. In fact, Lectron tests those on the Dyno agains their carbs. We won’t know until I get this new issue sorted.
Got mine yesterday it fix my bike it running so so good an my spark plug is perfect tan brown but only thing i am gonna order i harder spring make my throttle more snapper i had mikuni that is junk
i would think its something to do with the powerjet circuit, or lack of the connection. that rpm range that it misses at is in the range that powerjet would be in use, I remember on my 97-98 CR250's you could lean out the main jet somewhat and the powerjet circuit would bring it all together for a sweet running bike in a way the previous PJ carbs wouldn't. maybe the circuit gives info back to the ignition that makes it act like a rev limiter, maybe extract the component out of keihin carb just so you can plug it in with the lectron carb on bikeand see if it runs different. didn't you say they had a lectron carb that has some kind of connection for the powerjet circuit ?
I like the way you’ve dissected this in your brain. Our Pro Series did not come equipped with TPS or PJ connections. Looking forward to having a little more time to troubleshoot this on film for you guys soon.
man looks like old bike problems but hay we know how to work threw them. i like my h series on my 08 rm but ya missing some grunt. but really like not having to mess with the air screw thew out the day. would be pretty cool if they had a program where if you could send back an h series and get a discount on the new pro series.
This is actually your old engine dude! The 04…. It’s been solid all these years. I hear you on the H-series, and believe it or not they did offer a program like that. They might still… I’ll send myself an email reminder to check it out for you.
That's just the way it goes sometimes.
At least it it's finely given up, it will be easier to pinpoint what is wrong.
I agree!
Nice video ! I have a question about lectron carb. I'm living in France and pretty interested in buy a lectron for my 03 CR250. I was wondering. If the lectron carburetor matches with our fuel system ? In France our dirtbikes run with Sans Plomb 98. Also we don't have any Lectron dealers 😔
How many times can I hit like!.?!
Just had low hour 2013 yz250 cdi go bad, did not think that was possible for modern bikes unless abused.
Right? That is seemingly premature
So the lectron carb from the 38 to the pro are opposite to adjust??? On the old 38 you turn the metering rod counter clockwise to rich and power jet clockwise to jet
No sir! ALL Lectron carbs adjust the exact same way as one another. What will differ is the direction you turn certain fuel circuits.
For example:
The metering rod gets turned clockwise to richen the circuit.
The power jet would go counter clockwise to richen.
When I say opposite, that’s all I mean.
The new pro series torque jet circuit adjusts just like the power jet.
For reference the power jet and the torque jet are both external and they both adjust the same way. The metering rod, which is on the inside, adjust the opposite 💪
How does this compare to the smart carb?
It's your coil Charles.
We’ll bust out the meter and find out for sure
Think about it it's happening at high rpm after you richened it lean it back out and it ran better low rpm when you richened it always start tuning at low rpm first then mid range then high rpm
I’d go SmartCarb, personally.
What about that 3rd/tall gear lug out of a corner. Does it grab the pipe and go?
I’ll have to check once we’re rectified and running smooth again. Nothing stands out to memory that was better or worse
I had this happen to my 250r. Mine was a coil ground wire
Good job figuring it out! Turned out we we're simply too rich on the power jet! Here's the follow up vid too ua-cam.com/video/PozF77bpkJc/v-deo.html
@@mxrevival good work. Started ordering parts for my rm build again also.
put a lectron on my 22 ssr 450s and was not impressed . a whole lot of tuning and adjusting for a self adjusting carb. not worth the 800 imho. would rather have got a tokyo mods for the same money... great video ....
Thanks for the kind words! One of my hangups in bringing those mods to the SSR was that they were uncharted territory. I knew there would be some tweaks and tuning that guys will have to do that might upset them, because Lectron carburetors have such a great reputation for being pretty much ready to use.
Then, on the flipside, there’s the pain of the SR450 carburetor being a total piece of junk and desperately needing a different carburetor.
I know how exciting it is to be on the brink of a fix, and then needing to do some more tuning. Anyway, this video was actually somewhat like that! Annoying ha ha.
However, I am grateful that the Chinese cloned the Honda because it made the mod possible in a place where it otherwise wouldn’t have been.
The other bummer is the super high price of that carb like you mentioned, but it is a true four stroke carb which is great. My original intent with those mods were to keep the carburetors more in line with the original price point of those bikes which are unbelievable compared to Japanese, etc. totally unachievable with the SR450 especially after needing a couple Honda parts to pull it off, which I had to the cost as you know!
Good news now though, with the right parts to how was the Lectron in your bike you can also now run the FCR carb if you wanted to go back to jets. I think that’s even more tweaking in tuning with all the jetting circuits, but you might like it.
Have a great day and thanks for watching my dude!
@@mxrevival After working with lectron tech support i discovered there was some foreign debris in the fuel circuit that was clogging the fuel flow at idle. carb runs much better now i just need to get to the trails so i can dial her in. thanks for all the info and keep the videos coming..
I love my new carb its badass @@craigmac1516
Hi mate thanks for this informative vid. I am wondering - how much tangible difference have you noticed between Billetron and Billetron Pro? I run Billetron on my KTM 300 EXC 2017 and generally love it (yet bottom end power could be higher). However upgrading to Billetron PRO for me means 1000+USD cost (I wont be able to easily sell the Billetron here in Europe), so I really wonder if it is worth it🤷♂. Thanks in advance for any tips.
That’s a great question and I need to finish the top and portion of this video ASAP!
I would say that the bottom end difference was pretty awesome/better without question versus the stock carburetor.
I do not believe it will be life-changing versus the carburetor you currently have regarding power delivery everywhere else but it will definitely make you happier with your bottom end power!
I would say it feels similar to going with shorter or lower gearing, in terms of added power delivery off the bottom. Impressive!
There are no wrong answers and I’m sure you can sell the carburetor you’re currently using if you wanted to.
There was even a trade-in program for a little while. Shoot me an email anytime if you’d like me to check in on that for you!
www.mxrevival.com/contact
Thanks for watching!
Lectron has a trade in program
@@mxrevival already have the carb and the difference is tangible…love it. I wonder what it will do to the fuel consumption, but the bottom end powr is awesome. Only disappointment I have that I had to buy 3 carbs for the same bike from the same company to finally get to the current awesome level of performance…would have loved to get the billetron pro version already when buying billetron but thats how it is😒
What happened to the ssr
wonder if cut out is because of tps being disconnected causing rev limiter to hit
Ended up being the simplest thing- just a little too rich on the Power Jet screw! Easy twist in on the external screw and she rips!
Can I use the RM250 lectron in my 1998 RMX250?
Just installed the billetron on my 2019 husky 300. Same exact issue. Ran fine with the stock carb. It has to be the carb causing the issue. Have you figured it out or made a follow up video?
I have not done a follow up video yet due to time constraints, but the issue is most likely the power jet. Adjust yours inward to close off fuel supply under high load.
In preparation for the follow up video, I actually ended up putting my bike completely back to stock and testing both my 2004 complete electrical system and 2006 complete electrical system on the bike.
It was fine when we went back to stock which blew my mind. Basically, I’m telling you what the next video is going to sum up most likely.
Although I will perform the power jet Circuit in that video as well to see if we can prove it to be true. This advice actually came from Lectron.
I have never had to adjust a power get out of the box, so it’s quite a bit off the mark in terms of pre set up compared to 99% of these I have used.
But holy crap. The bottom end is amazing.
@mxrevival thanks for the info, you're the best. Had a ride planned today, and could probably do it with how good the bottom end is but it's nice to wrap these 2 strokes out when you want. Thanks again
@@mxrevivalshould have went with SmartCarb 2 maybe?
@mxrevival tried some more tuning based on your suggestion. I got it where the bike feels great, but the spark plug is pretty white. If I richen the power jet or metering rod starts to bog. Not sure how it has a rich bogg when it's too lean. Waiting to hear back from lectron
@@tonn333either carb is likely to need some adjustment to get it dialed in.
Had the same sort of issue on my YZ. it was the reeds, have you checked them?
Brand new (very close) 💪 I notice these usually being an extremely prevalent issue by way of hard starting
I was racking my brain for the longest time as to what it was. Rebuilt the top end, cleaned the power valve up and quick light hone on the cylinder. Inspected all parts before reinstalling, rebuilt carby and all.
I never had any issue starting, would run perfect off the bottom but once under load on the top would splutter very similar to your RM.
Anyways keep up the good work 👍 love the content you put out! Just wish Australia would have the same pricing as America for bikes and parts! It makes it hard for us down under to do the same rebuilds
Sputtering means rich. Did you go leaner
Can you run this type of carb on doubles and triples?
Absolutely. Depending on the application, I have 100% seen it done & helped customers with Banshees, etc. Thanks for watching & reach out if you need help 💪 www.mxrevival.com/contact
Had the same thing happened to my bike it was to kill switch remove your kill switch totally
Glad you found it! This one is brand new💪 (not that something brand new couldn’t be bad!)
so where is Video 2 and what was the Issue ?
Probably filming tomorrow. If so, solution drops Saturday
Put a new spark plug .. thats what wrong ... my 06 does the same thing ..sometimes ... the spark is fouled... its works idle to mid.. but craps out inthe higher
It can be a plug in some cases. We found the solution, it’ll be in the next video 🙌 Thanks for watching & your help!
Now what do I have to do to get you to revive my 2005 crf450r
Find a cr500 engine and swap it
Morning Matt! Usually just a bike, a budget, some time, and a vision! Thanks for watching Brother!
@@Range-X a cr500 engine swap is cute and all but not nearly as fun to ride all day as a 450 so not really interested in swapping
@@mxrevival the hardest part about all of that is finding the time I basically have none 😆
@@mattbarrois8675 agree with you. Only said it because you’d be better off buying a new bike instead of rebuilding that 05 4 stroke
How’s it compare to a smart carb
No idea, never used one of those
Will the pro work on four strokes
It will not, but we still have you covered! Check out this link, and then select “Gen II Four Stroke” from the drop-down menu.
Complete kit with a throttle assembly and all: www.mxrevival.com/product-page/lectron-carburetors-two-four-strokes
Sorry you didn't have a productive day...had a stator ho bad once and it acted like that...but who knows...I am sure you'll get it worked out.👍
Certainly wanted something more conclusive but looking back on it I guess it was actually pretty productive… yes, we will! Thanks, Dave!
sooo its been 2 weeks what was the problem....
Patience, young grasshopper
any news? im having similar problems 🤔
Not filmed yet but turn your power jet in leaner. If you hear the death rattle, richen back up! We might be too rich. Not confirmed just yet but that’s my next move
oi, wheres the complete 1997 rm250 video parts? like finish it before making other vids mate. coming from aus here.
You forgot the 09 YZ, 89 RM & 90 CR! 😂
@@mxrevival you forgot to get the views and subs you wanted
@@mxrevival you forgot to get the views and subs you wanted, just incase you didnt get this
Still sounds a cvnt hair rich to me.
You might be onto something…
Fuel isn't atomizing properly at full throttle. You are getting a pure stream of fuel and the combustion is not efficient. Its a carb issue. I get it, you got it for free and you want to make the sponsor look good.
I had the same issue at full trottle they suck after I spent 900$ and they tell me something wrong with bike I put the keihinen back on and have no problem bike as 5 hours on it
LEAN OUT THE PJ CIRCUIT
You nailed it. Have never EVER had one come so far off. Maybe 20 Lectron carbs deep.
Smart carb is better
It's the same company... just a smaller diameter for enduro instead of mx.
ken carbs is beter
No need to put the vent lines in your mouth, lol. Just turn the gas on and lean the bike over til fuel pisses from the vent lines. Primed.
Stock carb, yes
Interesting, my Lectron doesn’t leak gas when tipped over like a stock carb does…
Stator
Could be!
always better paying for a great piece of 50 dollar cardboard box
Not even super 33 tape? Come on Charles, you’re better than that. :)
I’m retired now, don’t get the expensive stuff for free anymore 😂 pretty sure it was still 3M though 😂
@@mxrevival facts!!!!
@@mxrevival - any updates on this? I’d like to buy one but am scared now 😂