Big Clive got one of those irons and the wire fell out as he was holding it in his hands. Maybe the next big Chinese special will be some combination of the soldering iron and the wet baby detector!
Dave, I work in the semiconductor ind. Those temperature sensing wafers are used in areas of the process that involve heating up the wafers. This is seen a lot in the lithography steps where the wafers are baked and cooled. Fluctuations in the temp across oven plates causes problems further down the line when the wafers get exposed. These sense wafers are typically used to calibrate the oven plates used to heat the wafers, this ensures that all of the wafer gets heated to the same temperature. Great show by the way :)
I bought some LED lightbulbs off of China once. They emitted so much interference that it produced a +30 dB noise level on my HF radio. I eventually took one apart and found one of the most scary SMPS circuits ever.
Dave, The shock pen was mine, lol. Thanks for the teardown! I wish I could afford to send something more interesting. Still the greatest feeling in the world to have my stuff on your vblog. Been following weekly for years.
oh god, I made the mistake of buying one of those sort of soddering irons when I was trying to get into electronics but didn't know what I was doing (and still don't, which is why I gave up for now). Those things are so dangerous and scary to use, mine started smoking through those grates, I used it once and never again.
+gary d He announced it on Twitter several days early, so I kind of assumed it wasn't an April 1 gag, but at this point, I'm guessing that he had a scheduled tweet that got out early or something
"Houy, welcome to everyone's favorite segment mailbag!" Who else at home says the intro every time along with Dave? I can't be the only one... Edit: Dave, when you start pronouncing Peltier correctly, maybe I'll change my pronunciation of geocaching. :P
The temperature sensing wafer (called on-wafer) is used to measure the different temperature zones in a Dry Etch plasma tool of the Electrostatic Chuck (ESC). For zonal temperature tuning. This is used to control the etch rates on across the inner to outer zones. Critical when you are trying to control etch rates within +-10 Angstroms across the surface of a 300 mm wafer. A couple of tenths of a degree makes all the difference.
Those are single photon avalanche photo diode detectors. My MSc. thesis was based around designing these at the device layout level, and characterizing various designs for integration on the same die with other CMOS circuits for medical applications (and I did it in Canada too, even the silicon wafers were made in Canada!!!). It was quite the happy day when I finally actually saw some of those magical pulses coming out of APDs that I had actually designed! The afterpulsing is generally caused by the detector itself emitting a few photons when the avalanche current starts to flow after a photon is absorbed, and before the quench circuit lowers the reverse bias below the avalanche threshold to stop the current flow. The detectors typically have an array of APDs, so the photons emitted by one APD in avalanche will trigger the breakdown of others in the array. Also slight temperature changes of the junction (just from the larger average current that's flowing while the device is exposed to the more intsense light) shift the avalanche breakdown threshold, which will change the amount of excess bias voltage, which greatly changes the sensitivity of the device. The way to mitigate this is to use an active quench circuit with a gating signal. You want to keep the bias voltage across the device a little below the threshold when you know the device will be exposed to a lot of light (the laser pulse), then you crank the bias voltage up above the threshold when the excitation light is shut off to do the measurements. If I had to guess, the detector is made by Hammamatsu, even the quench circuit and everything else might just be re-badged Hammamatsu kit. If the quench circuit is designed properly, the device will not be damaged by exposure to too much light. There will be a saturation threshold where the device can no longer measure more light and give meaningful results, but as long as the quench circuit keeps the average power flowing to a reasonable level to not cause heat induced damage, there should be no long term effects.
I work on several OEM opto-mech modules for KLA, unfortunately i've never heard of their temperature sensing system. Did some research and it seems really interesting
I used to work at Digital Equipment years ago. The LSI 11-23, was known internally as the "Fonz-11" project, and they had the "two thumbs up" icon from "the Fonz" on the TV show "Happy Days" right there on the Silicon! They also had a support chip known as the "MIC" chip (stood for "multiple level interrupt controller"), and it had 'Mickey Mouse' in the corner of the chip (good thing Disney never found out about that one!). Then there was the 11-73 micro processor chip. It was internally called the "Jaws-11", and had a logo of the 'Great White Shark' from the movie on the chip. I got to look at all of these under a microscope, so I saw the artwork.
The light saturation of the detector after the LIDAR pulse is due to charge trapping inside the detector. In fact, for atmospheric LIDAR it would be better to employ a gated SPAD detector, which can really be turned off during the laser pulse and pretty much no saturation should occur.
thet german module it is for the fallar car system that are little ho cars that drive around the railroad (H0) they follow a magnet wire and they have a readsensor for stopping
The photon counter is made in Québec, where I live. It was made in Vaudreuil, which is west of Montréal. We have a lot of scientific research companies up here.
I'd love to have a complete wafer someday. I'd frame it nicely and hang it on the wall. Preferably I think I'd want something with a lot of visible details, such as at 5:27 or even later at around 7:44. Naturally if I ever get the opportunity to get one, I'd try for the one that has the most to look at to the naked eye. But they all definitely will have fun things to see if you add magnification.
My LIFX is working just fine. I like it, because they documented the protocol fully, so I was able to control it from Linux easily from a script, not just by phone. Nice overall.
That is an apple tv remote. Geo caching was invented a couple miles away from me in Estacada, Oregon by a guy from Beavercreek, Oregon which is where I am from. I love your videos, I always learn something, thank you for the time and effort and I think Sagan is an awesome name. Thanks again mate.
They use those plugs in China, too. And there they have 230v. I was really surprised when I went to China though, to find that most outlets accepted most plugs, even european Shuko :P
I found one of those shocking pens at a small store up north and I was able to get a 4 watt night light bulb to glow red. Wasn't bright to see by though. This pen used a single AAA battery.
It's crazy I know two of the engineers that have many patents issued when they worked at Dallas Semiconductor! Bradley & Thomas Harrington. I bet Dave would have a blast talking to them.
regarding the photon counter the signal when you had your thumb over the sensor is probably your own ir emsions , from what i saw it counted a fair bit into the ir spectrum
Anyone figured out the E=hf part of the photon thing? I rearranged it to F=E/h but I don't know how to reach over 13 mhz, since I don't have the power :(
when it comes to computer related stuff do you pronounce like how you did in the video as well? or is it just geo-cache that you guys pronounce it like that
I watched a different UA-cam video on it. It was annoying me trying to work out how it was done when I first got my apple TV. Video could have been wrong but seems to make sense to me.
Where do you get items like the Dallas Semiconductor items? I've always wanted use items like this in an art project, other than photography. That is, if they are affordable. Nevermind, as soon as I typed the question, Dave gave the answer.
Hi Dave! I work with a type of avalanche photodiodes, namely Silicon Multi Pixel photon counters. I have some ideas regarding the saturation effects that the letter was talking about. It's likely due to an excessive amount of electron captures in the silicon during the initial pulse. These electrons are later released, creating afterpulses. There's not much to do about it! The long "lag time", i.e. the time it takes from electron capture to electron release increases as the APD gets colder. But you also need a cold APD to decrease the dark count.
I never saw the point of geocaching. You just walk until the coordinates on your receiver matches the posted coordinates and then look down. Now, before the advent of the GPS system it would have actually been interesting. Loran wouldn't have been precise enough, especially not in the woods, so you'd have to rely on trigonometric surveying. That would have made it a pretty cool challenge.
37:05 It's a nowaday old generation Apple Remote for the Apple TV, the new generation has a touch sensitive area on the top to move cursors and other stuff and buttons on the bottom for calling Siri and doing stuff
Dave, do a collaborative post with Chris, he's worked in a fab so he can probably add something to description of the process with photos of those wafers.
Something I discovered, that "American" plug on that soldering iron is actually made for Chinese outlets. Apparently they fit the 220/240 volt outlets there...
I remember having at least one or two TVs back in the 90s where you could feel a good bit of electricity when you touched the threading of the coax. I doubt it was mains voltage though, it just tingled, it didn't hurt. Wonder why that was, though. Any ideas anybody?
Don't suppose you would want to donate a photon counter (high dark counts just aren't a big deal) to a university group doing photon correlation spectroscopy with very little funding? :)
just a mechanically educated guess here, the apple remote was hollowed out with a t-slot cutter on a milling machine and the boards are stuck in there like the sliding glass doors of a cupboard.
My wife was near the door after you opened the soldering iron. She thought I was watching porn. 27:16 on. "I don't even want to touch it! But I have to." :)
the remote control looks like my Apple TV remote. I have often stared at that obelisk and wondered how the hell they put it together. Good luck indeed; mine remains unexplored.
Those pens are crap, if you want to shock your mate, use a megger tester! :) Another trick we used to do was charge up 300v caps and when sneak up behind someone and prod their ear lobes with the lead wires :)
I haven't been in a single meeting, but reading the words makes me immediately think of a Metting. The only one i don't understand is the "Jon Fosses Kumøkbingo", probbably something that is not that known in the area where i live.
Big Clive got one of those irons and the wire fell out as he was holding it in his hands.
Maybe the next big Chinese special will be some combination of the soldering iron and the wet baby detector!
Dave,
I work in the semiconductor ind. Those temperature sensing wafers are used in areas of the process that involve heating up the wafers. This is seen a lot in the lithography steps where the wafers are baked and cooled. Fluctuations in the temp across oven plates causes problems further down the line when the wafers get exposed. These sense wafers are typically used to calibrate the oven plates used to heat the wafers, this ensures that all of the wafer gets heated to the same temperature.
Great show by the way :)
+Darragh O Meara Figured it was something like that, thanks. So just used once to set up the production rig?
I bought some LED lightbulbs off of China once. They emitted so much interference that it produced a +30 dB noise level on my HF radio. I eventually took one apart and found one of the most scary SMPS circuits ever.
Dave,
The shock pen was mine, lol. Thanks for the teardown! I wish I could afford to send something more interesting. Still the greatest feeling in the world to have my stuff on your vblog. Been following weekly for years.
Proabbly going negative as scope input unterminated.
+mikeselectricstuff I noticed that too -- pretty sure it was supposed to be driving 50 ohms.
oh god, I made the mistake of buying one of those sort of soddering irons when I was trying to get into electronics but didn't know what I was doing (and still don't, which is why I gave up for now). Those things are so dangerous and scary to use, mine started smoking through those grates, I used it once and never again.
Any updates on the new lab?
+Antivorg I just sold Sagan to a rich Chinese buyer to pay for the first years rent. I move in next week.
+EEVblog haha, and Huxley will pay your utility bill
+EEVblog Protip: March 26 != April 1
+Sudos Oct 31 == Dec 25!
+gary d He announced it on Twitter several days early, so I kind of assumed it wasn't an April 1 gag, but at this point, I'm guessing that he had a scheduled tweet that got out early or something
Those temp-sensing wafers are so bizarre and beautiful, they should be framed and hung up in the lab.
+Eric Wasatonic Yup, works of art.
+Eric Wasatonic lol i was about to give that same suggestion shadow box frame would be awesome
+Eric Wasatonic yes want to buy one to put in my student room
+Eric Wasatonic I agree.That thought came to as well.
30:22 thats the one i send.
i have a few of those and they run fine after half a year of normal use.
He seamed to like the £1 soldering iron.
Yes it was me who ordered it for him.
+the3dvideo
That was some find. A real gem. :-)
+Sean Hawkins www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIY-220V-40W-Electric-Vacuum-Solder-Welding-Soldering-Iron-Tool-Pencil-Tip-/252311675127?
I ordered one! I must see this with my own eyes XD
You can find a tear down by bigclivedotcom, watch?v=OeILL08T08w
+the3dvideo i like the discription
At 23:10, could the IR from your thumb (body heat) be saturating the camera?
It says detection ranges to 1060nm, and its being cooled with that TEC.
"Houy, welcome to everyone's favorite segment mailbag!" Who else at home says the intro every time along with Dave? I can't be the only one...
Edit: Dave, when you start pronouncing Peltier correctly, maybe I'll change my pronunciation of geocaching. :P
The schematic diagram for the "wet babay" alert is hilarious =) They're using "integ-rated" chips none of this "dis-crete" rubish.
+VoltLog I love how they dont even cut the leads!
Still wating for the Altium-I mean the DaveCADHQ building tour!
05:51 - It's an 8-bit digital mirror!
Re those led light bulbs at around 28:00 , i bought one and every time i turn it on, my pc emits the sound like when it's looking for new hardware :D
The temperature sensing wafer (called on-wafer) is used to measure the different temperature zones in a Dry Etch plasma tool of the Electrostatic Chuck (ESC). For zonal temperature tuning. This is used to control the etch rates on across the inner to outer zones. Critical when you are trying to control etch rates within +-10 Angstroms across the surface of a 300 mm wafer. A couple of tenths of a degree makes all the difference.
At 23:30 it's not photons going through your thumb, it's your thumb emitting IR light due to heat.
OMG, the soldering iron reaction had me laughing on the floor....
The blue tape is to hold all the dies together after dicing :D
27:17 My neighbors are probably wondering what I'm watching
+SoCalFreelance my mother propably does also
30:20 hahaha. Are you SURE, it's not for enclosed light fixtures ?
Those are single photon avalanche photo diode detectors. My MSc. thesis was based around designing these at the device layout level, and characterizing various designs for integration on the same die with other CMOS circuits for medical applications (and I did it in Canada too, even the silicon wafers were made in Canada!!!). It was quite the happy day when I finally actually saw some of those magical pulses coming out of APDs that I had actually designed! The afterpulsing is generally caused by the detector itself emitting a few photons when the avalanche current starts to flow after a photon is absorbed, and before the quench circuit lowers the reverse bias below the avalanche threshold to stop the current flow. The detectors typically have an array of APDs, so the photons emitted by one APD in avalanche will trigger the breakdown of others in the array. Also slight temperature changes of the junction (just from the larger average current that's flowing while the device is exposed to the more intsense light) shift the avalanche breakdown threshold, which will change the amount of excess bias voltage, which greatly changes the sensitivity of the device. The way to mitigate this is to use an active quench circuit with a gating signal. You want to keep the bias voltage across the device a little below the threshold when you know the device will be exposed to a lot of light (the laser pulse), then you crank the bias voltage up above the threshold when the excitation light is shut off to do the measurements. If I had to guess, the detector is made by Hammamatsu, even the quench circuit and everything else might just be re-badged Hammamatsu kit. If the quench circuit is designed properly, the device will not be damaged by exposure to too much light. There will be a saturation threshold where the device can no longer measure more light and give meaningful results, but as long as the quench circuit keeps the average power flowing to a reasonable level to not cause heat induced damage, there should be no long term effects.
I work on several OEM opto-mech modules for KLA, unfortunately i've never heard of their temperature sensing system. Did some research and it seems really interesting
lol they didn't solder together the soldering iron ahahahaahahaahahh
+Mike Sanchez Too many fatalities after trying their own stock ;)
+Mike Sanchez
I guess they figured that the users can solder it themselves with the iron itself... Smart bunch obviously.
firecrow 797 wouldn't help to solder to heat wire anyway , plus nichrome doesnt like solder, they needed to crimp it.
Wow right from the get go we get to see so many amazing silicon wafers!
I used to work at Digital Equipment years ago. The LSI 11-23, was known internally as the "Fonz-11" project, and they had the "two thumbs up" icon from "the Fonz" on the TV show "Happy Days" right there on the Silicon! They also had a support chip known as the "MIC" chip (stood for "multiple level interrupt controller"), and it had 'Mickey Mouse' in the corner of the chip (good thing Disney never found out about that one!). Then there was the 11-73 micro processor chip. It was internally called the "Jaws-11", and had a logo of the 'Great White Shark' from the movie on the chip. I got to look at all of these under a microscope, so I saw the artwork.
+Kenneth Scharf God I would kill to have a DEC machine...
Somewhere in my Junque box I still have an LSI-11-23 cpu board.
+Kenneth Scharf Very cool! (Huge Fonz fan)
+Kenneth Scharf Send it to the guys to scan!
I wouldn't want to rip those chips open to scan them, that CPU board probably still works!
They would look lovely in a frame in your new office .
The light saturation of the detector after the LIDAR pulse is due to charge trapping inside the detector. In fact, for atmospheric LIDAR it would be better to employ a gated SPAD detector, which can really be turned off during the laser pulse and pretty much no saturation should occur.
thet german module
it is for the fallar car system
that are little ho cars that drive around the railroad (H0)
they follow a magnet wire and they have a readsensor for stopping
Logged the GeoCoin. TFT Vlog
The photon counter is made in Québec, where I live. It was made in Vaudreuil, which is west of Montréal. We have a lot of scientific research companies up here.
I'd love to have a complete wafer someday. I'd frame it nicely and hang it on the wall. Preferably I think I'd want something with a lot of visible details, such as at 5:27 or even later at around 7:44. Naturally if I ever get the opportunity to get one, I'd try for the one that has the most to look at to the naked eye. But they all definitely will have fun things to see if you add magnification.
Could the tail of pulses after the laser saturation be due to increased temperature of the sensor? Sort of increased thermal noise due to heating.
The potting compound on the light might be thermally conductive. I did something similar in a flashlight design.
Good mailbag. Had a good laugh at the wet baby detector and soldering iron. I'm surprised China isn't on fire right now.
It also played its a small world. Which is weird...
The wafers are mounted on the mylar before being singulated so the die don't go flying everywhere and can be picked
My LIFX is working just fine. I like it, because they documented the protocol fully, so I was able to control it from Linux easily from a script, not just by phone. Nice overall.
+EEVblog
Dave, you forgot to include the link to the UA-cam video with the silicon wafers!
+Pete Allum Updated.
+EEVblog
Cheers!
Those APDs are not cooled to cold temperatures but they are kept at 20°C or so.
8:00 you can hand that up wall as picture painting. nice
That is an apple tv remote. Geo caching was invented a couple miles away from me in Estacada, Oregon by a guy from Beavercreek, Oregon which is where I am from. I love your videos, I always learn something, thank you for the time and effort and I think Sagan is an awesome name. Thanks again mate.
They use those plugs in China, too. And there they have 230v.
I was really surprised when I went to China though, to find that most outlets accepted most plugs, even european Shuko :P
Could the weird pulses from the photon detector be due to wrong termination on the scope? Dunno if it wants 50 ohms...
Dave. is there a separate video going through each wafer?
I found one of those shocking pens at a small store up north and I was able to get a 4 watt night light bulb to glow red. Wasn't bright to see by though. This pen used a single AAA battery.
In case you didn't find out, the remote is for a generation 1 AppleTV. My family has one of those.
It's crazy I know two of the engineers that have many patents issued when they worked at Dallas Semiconductor! Bradley & Thomas Harrington. I bet Dave would have a blast talking to them.
lifx kickstarter was probably the most professional and on time kickstarter I've seen
It's remote for Apple TV old style, or for Mac computers.
Why some wafers are yellow and some are white? So surface treatment of different wafers are not the same?
regarding the photon counter
the signal when you had your thumb over the sensor is probably your own ir emsions , from what i saw it counted a fair bit into the ir spectrum
+Kalle Stri
Yes that makes sense. So in principle he should be able to detect between a cold and hot thumb. Or so I would have expected.
+Kalle Stri Ah, didn't think of that. Sounds plausible.
What kind of knife is that for opening mail??
Anyone figured out the E=hf part of the photon thing? I rearranged it to F=E/h but I don't know how to reach over 13 mhz, since I don't have the power :(
A quick Google tells me that the model car module is still being sold for 36€ delivered (at least in Germany).
What's a shazzy?
Dave this is one of the best mail bags ever
when it comes to computer related stuff do you pronounce like how you did in the video as well? or is it just geo-cache that you guys pronounce it like that
"I have no idea what that is, but it looks impressive!" There's yer next sciencey t-shirt, Dave.
Hey Dave. I just looked up that Geocaching Travel Bug. Has it been placed in a cache? The only tags I see are people who saw it in this video.
I'd like to see how they make the connections to the pins onto those tiny wafers.
google it, there are some really good videos around.
+sc0tte1 the practice is called wire bonding.
Cool I'll give it a shot, I'm interested in seeing the process done. I'll look for wire bonding on a microchip or something I guess lol.
Go to 27:15 and close your eyes for a while :D
+Kaeltis LMAO hilarius
I am not sure, but, i think that the top and bottom part from that remote controller are ultrasoon welded.
Nah it's pushed in through the keypad hole. The case is one part with no join.
I watched a different UA-cam video on it. It was annoying me trying to work out how it was done when I first got my apple TV. Video could have been wrong but seems to make sense to me.
My guess is that the air is floressing (sp?) after being excited by the laser and the detector is picking up those photons.
3:05, I think it is pronounced "Antwan".
+Justin Updyke Yeap
That photon counter was incredibly interesting
I have heard that tone from the baby moisture detector in a gift card before, I wonder if they adapted it from that.
the tune is called "it's a brave new world after all"
or something like "it's a ##### after all"
Where do you get items like the Dallas Semiconductor items? I've always wanted use items like this in an art project, other than photography. That is, if they are affordable. Nevermind, as soon as I typed the question, Dave gave the answer.
Hi Dave! I work with a type of avalanche photodiodes, namely Silicon Multi Pixel photon counters. I have some ideas regarding the saturation effects that the letter was talking about. It's likely due to an excessive amount of electron captures in the silicon during the initial pulse. These electrons are later released, creating afterpulses. There's not much to do about it! The long "lag time", i.e. the time it takes from electron capture to electron release increases as the APD gets colder. But you also need a cold APD to decrease the dark count.
I love the looks of these discs. If you are ever going to get rid of them, I'd love to have some. I'll pay for shipping no problem!
You should make a tabletop with the wafers sealed under clear resin
I suppose with all the stuff you got in the mailbag and the ENORMOUS new lab, you could set up the official EEVblog museum
+Random Model Making Channel But you can only visit on April 1.
I never saw the point of geocaching. You just walk until the coordinates on your receiver matches the posted coordinates and then look down. Now, before the advent of the GPS system it would have actually been interesting. Loran wouldn't have been precise enough, especially not in the woods, so you'd have to rely on trigonometric surveying. That would have made it a pretty cool challenge.
Try getting a new APD from ebay and repair your photon counter. Then you could do some photon correlations with your detectors.
37:05 It's a nowaday old generation Apple Remote for the Apple TV, the new generation has a touch sensitive area on the top to move cursors and other stuff and buttons on the bottom for calling Siri and doing stuff
Dave, do a collaborative post with Chris, he's worked in a fab so he can probably add something to description of the process with photos of those wafers.
Surprising quality of solder joints on that chinesium LED bulb board...... well.... at least the smt...
A crowdfunding campaign that actually kept its promise to its backers and actually shipped. Batteriser take notes!
Before you get 100000 comments,i just wanna say:YOU'RE AWESOME!
+Miroslav Vučetić Thanks.
Something I discovered, that "American" plug on that soldering iron is actually made for Chinese outlets. Apparently they fit the 220/240 volt outlets there...
+10100rsn Oh yeah, that's right! I think the only difference is that it has no holes in the end of the prongs and the're a bit smaller.
Hiii Lewys here,
the photo is my best friend from high school Christian, not me ;)
I remember having at least one or two TVs back in the 90s where you could feel a good bit of electricity when you touched the threading of the coax. I doubt it was mains voltage though, it just tingled, it didn't hurt. Wonder why that was, though. Any ideas anybody?
only half way in and this is the best mailbag I can remember.
Don't suppose you would want to donate a photon counter (high dark counts just aren't a big deal) to a university group doing photon correlation spectroscopy with very little funding? :)
just a mechanically educated guess here, the apple remote was hollowed out with a t-slot cutter on a milling machine and the boards are stuck in there like the sliding glass doors of a cupboard.
+PULL MY Finger thanks for sending it in. interesting. got some info on that welding?
I've used those irons throughout my life... with a fan regulator for temp. control
though I am young.. I've used it for 8 years
and trust me... the element burns out before it gives time for any thing bad to happen
yeah, my fan controller had a Variac... I find ready-made controls cheaper
worth a like for the crotch eczema and other chinee wonderness
+ThePobolycwm Yeah, "schematic diagram of wet babay alert" they said LOL
My wife was near the door after you opened the soldering iron. She thought I was watching porn. 27:16 on. "I don't even want to touch it! But I have to." :)
+Pete Brown worse, it might have sounded like gayporn
the remote control looks like my Apple TV remote. I have often stared at that obelisk and wondered how the hell they put it together. Good luck indeed; mine remains unexplored.
Those pens are crap, if you want to shock your mate, use a megger tester! :) Another trick we used to do was charge up 300v caps and when sneak up behind someone and prod their ear lobes with the lead wires :)
The wet baby alert was the best part. XD
I bought a whole bunch of those LED bulbs. Work great to be fair. I'm limited in what size I can use due to design. Feel bad now though lol.
I haven't been in a single meeting, but reading the words makes me immediately think of a Metting.
The only one i don't understand is the "Jon Fosses Kumøkbingo", probbably something that is not that known in the area where i live.
Game plan: Find the biggest box, send the smallest object. Be first to be featured in Mailbag segment.
+Osmosis Would cost alot to send.
How is babay formed?
220V with american plug is actually commonly used in China
I thought us poms were the moany wingers -- Cheers Dave
Christmas came early this year?
The pronunciation is Antwan (like swan) :D
Amazing, I bought a load from aberco last month! Make great wall art :D