I said this a few years ago that Royal Enfield is going to dominate the Japanese market in due course. Love my Interceptor and i have been riding bikes since the late 60's.
I’d totally agree with that, especially in the mid capacity segment. All of the 650 twin models are wonderful and this new Iiquid cooled 450 is right up there with the best bikes on the market in this segment
@@BikerTorque Come on, should we talk about all the great Japanese bikes ? What if they lowered their prices a little ? I wouldn't count them out just yet.
@@leeinwisdon’t get me wrong, there are some great Japanese bikes, but only after the Interceptor have we started to see some good retro mid capacity bikes. Most companies seem to want to produce bigger and bikes.
My 650 V Strom is now 19 years old with 130,000km and still going like a champion. I can honestly say I personally don't think any bike made in China, such as the very well reviewed Benelli 702X, or this Himalayan, will achieve this.
Dominate? Lololol lolol this junkfield? This scam company? Competing against Japanese masterpieces? It cldnt compete in its prime, it wont now. Delusion is too much
I have booked mine here in Delhi, before buying it I borrowed it from my friend, he has Hanle black and I am buying the same top version. Rode it for 339 kms and fell in love with every bit. There are some vibrations but given it's big CC single cylinder it's fine. The vibes creep in around 90- 110 kmph mark but settle down beyond that and engine is really butter smooth near 120 kmph mark which is good for cruising. Also, I managed to go off road and was blown away by its suspension it's truly magic as everyone is saying in the reviews. Looking forward to long trips with this one 🥰
I was wondering why these guys didn’t comment on the vibrations part. This has been a major red flag for me as 95-120 kmph is really a sweet spot for highway riding in India.
RE haven't chased the market with this but instead have built upon their brand values and served thier customer base, which is refreshing and has not only bought a very appealing bike to market, they have also enriched thier broader brand with it. Other manufacturers should take heed. Yes, RE is a budget brand but it's an entirely credible builder of charismatic machines.
would not call it a budget brand when even their cheapest models get better paint jobs than the usual mid-price offering from other brands. The only thing us westerners perceive as budget is the price and power, but this is just because their market values price and fuel consumption above power any day
@@benjamin.f.b. i think in terms of budget we are both referring to price point, RE machines are incredible value for money, particularly the new Himalayan 450. Definitely not budget from a quality and power perspective
Ive got the 411 rode 14k the first year zero issues. It doesn't over promise at anything and does everything you ask of it. Ive been riding since 77 many bikes, ive a Buell and Harley but this gets the ride time.
No, that's not right. Tubeless rims are not made for tubes, they're not made smooth for tubes, and the valve hole will be too big. It will not be safe and will not hold up.
@@chadkline4268 The tyres themselves are an issue as well as they are not smooth. The tube can start to rub and pop. All around bad idea, unless you're really stuck. I'd bring a tube on a long trip in a remote area. Chuck some talcum powder in there and it will rub less. Get some bigger washers and a nut to hold the valve. Maybe some tape to cover the rim, or smooth that out before. It's a one time job.
Got to say I’m loving mine, great on the road, on sand, on gravel, snotty single track, no problem! Some minor niggles but overall great bike at a great price!
I went to have a look at my local dealer, I liked it to be honest. Nice simple machine. Dealer offered me a test ride and asked what I ride. I said 2002 R1150GS He just laughed and said keep what you’ve got.
I think that shift distance is there so you can fit a big dirt boot in there. I noticed the same with my Tenere when wearing shoes but not a problem at all with dirt boots.
Hi from india... loved the way the review was split into parts so we could understand better.. A common issue with all the 450's is that the bike sways to the right when you take off your hands from the handle bar. Royal Enfield is replacing the stem nut under warranty for the same reason.
ok tried today the Hima while the shotgun the hunter and the interc a while ago. best of them all imo is the interc. the hima does better offroad than on road!!! i tried on a rocky countryside road after going on flat towny road and i immediately felt more grip on the rocky one! it's so strange! i even aimed at the holes on the ground cause i thought i didn't crossed one since i felt nothing while riding for a while. color me surspised simply put the hima doens' let you feel nothing! still the interc is a beeter pure motorcycle for normal use.
Yes, the Interceptor is still a great bike, but my personal preference would be the Continental GT over the Interceptor, love the look and the handling
The press bike we received didn’t have the rubber inserts, I assume the previous reviewer removed them, but yet, easy enough to adjust the angle of the lever.
I wear size 11 bike boots, and I have no problem with the shifter. Seems it was designed for heavy duty footwear, and yes, it can be adjusted .for the display problem in sunlight I use a smoked lens filter( used for cameras, pops on and off)😊
Informative report guys! This machine is in the mix with the MT 450 CF moto, ill just wait a bit and see what issues arise over the next year, since both untried in the real world yet! Cheers! 🙂👍
I took delivery of my 450 on the 1 June and I had to move the gear lever because even with my size 11 feet I struggled to go from 1st to 2nd, also around town in stop start traffic at low speeds the bike is very gear change needy but if you use the Eco mod it becomes very user friendly. The only problem with that is to go back to Performance mode you have to switch off the ignition....... Apart from that and the screen which I will change when the high version becomes available in the UK I love it.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that it was easier to ride in ECO mode in traffic, but to be fair, I didn’t really ride it in traffic, mostly back roads and dirt roads.
Were you able to adjust the gear lever to your liking in the end? I have a Scram 411 and had hard time shifting with my bulky work boots....but luckily the adjustment was as easy as losening up 2 lock nuts and now it is perfect.
So I test rode the 450 in the black and put my order in, but I wanted tubeless tyres because they are probably easier to fix, if you are concerned about rupturing a tyre, you could always carry some tubes. I was disappointed to find that they are not providing the black tubeless version with the gold wheels yet, so I changed my order to the white one. It should be arriving within the next week so looking forward to getting out on it. Main issue is the lean on the side stand but I am sure some adaption can be made to overcome that. This will be a 2nd bike, I already have a speedmaster chrome, just need to decide when to tell the missus 😬
Probably easier to apologise than asked permission. The Black version does look the goods, but good choice on the white tubeless option. Enjoy, I had such a blast riding it.
Most ageist video from Biker Torque to date. Old mate “didnt see the shift light”; “I’m not a die hard ADV rider, I haven’t reached my 60th birthday yet”. Righto. Apart from that balanced review.
It’s a great looking bike I look forward to seeing one in the flesh. I had issues with the highway speed of the old one and I felt like a greyhound on a golf ball. So I’m very interested in checking out the new one. Funny the differences in all your opinion of this bike. Great review team 😎🤙🏻
Cheers Big Bert. I suppose we all ride differently and look for different things in bikes. I reckon you’d be OK on it, Lukas is about the same height as you.
I had the same experience. I tried a bone stock bike and a bike with the shifter adjusted by a previous rider who rode it in enduro boots. No problem with the stock setting, the adjusted lever was not giving me feedback at all.
Better in most ways than the 411, but... I don't like it. The 411 dash cluster is far better than the new TFT screen, but the engine and suspension upgrades can't be ignored. It just looks so generic though. The 411 is like the Bullet - it has soul, and puts a smile on your face (as long as you're not trying to overtake uphill). As far as the tyres go, I'll always take tubeless - can drop the pressure further without risking pinch flats, and if you do puncture a sidewall? Throw a tube in.
Looking forward to seeing other versions of the 450 - presumably a scrambler with 19", street bike with 17" and a mini cruiser. A scrambler version with cast wheels/tubeless tyres would be my choice....might just persuade me to part with my 411 Scram.
Sorry, the 450 doesn't have double the torque of the 411, it has 40Nm up from the 411's 32Nm. Definitely more but not 2x. Alao I don't get the complaint about mirrors, I'm 6'2 so I assume I'm bigger than Tegan and I've never had a bike where i couldn't see behind myself.
This is a great bike for adventure (on and off road) riders, for everyone else the Guerrilla is perfect. The thing about Brit designed/Indian built bikes, they have simplicity, soul and a soundtrack...what else do you want? I have had my Meteor 350, lacking only a bit of power, this will be my new bike, the Guerrilla that is. Forget horsepower, low rpm torque is the key for fun.
I love Royal Enfield, own a beefed-up Classic 350, so great, but yeah their stock mirrors are....uh, not good. Plenty of options to swap 'em out but it's a weird signature characteristic of the brand. 😂 In any case, I really loved my test ride on this new Himalayan!
What an amazing team. You guys ROCK with the presentation. Really enjoyable to watch as you laugh, smile, and play off each other throughout. Well done! And I'm actually considering getting this bike after seeing the review.
I am happy to see smaller capacity dual use bikes coming out. Now If we could see the Japanese bring out a 400 - 500cc dual sport/trail bikes with larger oil capacity for longer oil changes and 140kgs max weight. I would go back to a DRZ400 if it had a wider ratio, 6 speed gear box! Instead I bought a Cfmoto 450MT before I even knew about the RE 450 Himalayan. Though in looking at the two bikes, I picked the one best suited for what I want to do with it The review you guys did I really like and the thoughts of 3 riders give a better idea of what the bike is like. One thing I have seen that I don't loke about the Himalayan is the air filter change. Fuel tank off, disconnect 2 or 3 hoses just to get at it. Bad idea to me, no matter how good the bike is.
Thanks, we are hoping to bring some more reviews with the three of us, time permitting. Haven’t ridden the CFMoto but it seems to be getting good reviews. Also, I didn’t realise that about the air filter change. It does seem like a bit of a mucking about… but for the cost I think there has to be some compromises
I thought it was very good after test riding it. In my opinion, the gear box was very good and had no issues changing gears. That said, I thought the CFMoto450 felt more spirited and looks more like an adventure bike.
Can’t go wrong with a black colour scheme with gold rims. Probably should have only 3 ride modes. Road, rain and dirt. If I was looking for an adventure bike today, this probably would have been high on the list.
To me the Himalayan 450 looks butt ugly & lacks the charm of the original model. I'm not a fan of ADV bike styling at all, but at least the Himalayan 411 had nice clean lines to go with the vintage look. The Himalayan 450 looks like it's just been cobbled together with parts from other bikes in comparison. The engine, on the other hand, looks like a ripper & is the most important engine RE has made in their history IMO. Let's hope reliability isn't an issue & they do a much better job on the scrambler styling than they did on the Himalayan 450.
Totally agree with you on the engine, but sorry can’t agree on the styling. To me the design and styling looks purposeful, I’m also not generally a fan of ADV bike styling, but this one, not ashamed to say I really do like.
I’m SOOO glad you’ve said what you said about getting into second. The number of times I’ve ‘neutraled’ mine is frustrating. I’ll get used to it, so not really a complaint, but I thought it was just me!
Definitely not just you, all three of us had the same issue, but Tegan & Lukas seemed to have the main issue with it. I probably rode it a bit more than the other two and definitely got used to it
Just switch to Motul 7100 oil, 10W-40 full ester synthetic. You have to use Motul 7100 oil if you ever want your motorcycle to shift properly. On motorcycles, it's the type of oil, the brand, the viscosity, and the characteristics of the oil that determine how good it shifts. That's because they have a wet clutch, and the transmission uses the same oil as the engine. Changing brands of oil is like changing the whole transmission. Some oils don't work. Amsoil Metric 10W-40 works well. But Motul 7100 is even better at high temperatures, with no change at high temperatures. You'll notice an increase in top end horsepower with Motul 7100 too.
Split tube steel frame is easy to fix. It’s a global market, but the bike is still made for India. The 411 handles really well considering the huge front hoop. So I’d imagine the upgraded bike with significantly better suspension will be better. Hmmm. Should I sell the Tiger???? 😂😂😂😂😂
I rode the bike on the street. You feel like you’re sitting on top of the bike, for a refined 450 water cooled engine you would think the engine would feel smoother but it felt clanky. You have to really give it gas to accelerate from a stop Comfortable bike though feels a little heavier than I thought it would
Water cooled but still a single, hence the thumpier feeling from the engine. Agree, you do feel like you are sitting nice and high. I didn’t really notice the weight, but then again I had just jumped off a Ducati Desert X, now that is top heavy.
Olá do Brasil!! Qual melhor moto para uso geral, Versys-X 300 ou Himalayan 450? Tenho a Versys 300 e penso que que a Himalayan 450 seria um upgrade de suspensão, tecnologia e consumo... Não tenho certeza se o desempenho seria melhor... Abraços
I just wish it had 50+hp. Just that littttle bit more. I hope to pick one up early 2025. Can someone explain to me the main reasons behind tubed and tubeless. Why would I want to choose the tubeless version? I have my ideas and know a little but would love more input on this topic.
They need a lowering kit for the shorter riders ,they did it with the 411 ,Honda did it with the 300 brought out the LS ,not every one bothers ground clearance the just want to touch the ground ,their sales would rise especially in Asia
Re Himalayan 450, Its top heavy, especially off the side stand. CF Motto 450 MT has a light feel to it and a lighter clutch pull. I have not test ridden either bike but sat on them and played with the weight from the side stand. They both appear to be well made but I was put off by the Himalayan 450's heavier feel and cluthch pull. Between the two of them, I would pick the CF Motto 450 MT. It may not have as much fuel range and possibly shorter service intervals but the bike feels better to me.
I think you should test ride both. The Himi definitely isn’t heavy, and we certainly didn’t find it too heavy, but can’t compare to the CFMoto as we haven’t ridden one yet
@BikerTorque Thanks for the advice. I agree that the best thing would be to take one for a ride. Nathan, the postman (UK channel), did a review of both of them as he owns them. He has some interesting thoughts on both bikes. Essentially, his opinion on the Himalayan is along the lines of what I mentioned. His thoughts on the CF Moto 450 mt is that it's a unicorn (big call). He runs bike tours so he has a variety of bikes old Himalayan, Triumph 400x, etc. I am not an affliliate just an Australian bloke who is looking for his next bike after 7 years ( the last bike was a vstrom 650. Cheers, Todd
@BikerTorque Hi again, I did end up going on a test ride of the Himalayan 450. It's a good bike, but I ended up getting the CFMoto 450MT. Personally, I found the 450MT a better all round package, engine, build quality and ride. But thats how I found it others may have a different opinion. Cheers, Todd
@@toddparker6807nice one, we have reached out to CF Moto to see if we can get some our their bikes for review, it will be good to compare. Enjoy your new bike
it's not 'himarlian' it's 'him - a -lay - an'. Don't speak english incorrectly just because other people do. and no, this video is not in indian, it's in english.
Tubed tyres isn’t an issue if you have a centre stand - makes it easier. Also - you screw your rim or dent your rim on an outback tour, which this bike is capable of, you’re f$%ked if you have tubeless, unless you carry a spare tube, which um, you may as well saved some coin and got the tubed version in the first place.
I’m a bit late to the party “ maybe because I’m about 3 years off 60 “. Your young fella seems to make comments on some issues he really doesn’t seem to know much about ( or just makes it up ) . I’m not going to go into his rant as to much to mention. I don’t own one but ridden a few times , and consider selling my Honda 300 Rally to buy one ☝️, I also have a Moto Guzzi V85tt. I’m on bike number 28 , a list of Enduro , Motorcross , ADV and road . I’m no expert but feel I do have some 50 odd years of riding to know if a bike doesn’t come with Handguatds or Tubes it’s either an ADV bike or not .
Thanks for sharing, let’s us know if you do swap the Honda Rally for the Himalayan. Haven’t ridden the Honda but have heard good things. As for the V85TT, love a Guzzi and will have to own one at some point, but reckon I’m more a a V7 kind of guy. As for the young fella, Lukas, well can say he’s never boring to have around, always some kind of debate going on. Thanks for watching, hope you enjoy the content.
@@BikerTorque got the sidecar bolted to xt last night test this arvo got it sitting even and square too see how it handles im guessing evil and terrible hehe
The bike is not bad though, a bit top heavy, bit of a buzz here there, bad lights, leans excessively while on the side stand... And that's about the negatives I can muster.
I saw a video from India today and he showed where the frame broke on the 450 himalian what’s going on there or was the video a fake I don’t know that should be investigated ,if it’s true this is dangerous at 100ks
I don't think the chasis break is a issue, because a lot of users are pushing these bikes here in India and they are fine. Could be something wrong with a particular model, if it did happen. It's not a problem as of now.
The riders had installed aftermarket crash guards and had not put a couple of bolts back in or were not torqued well. Many have thrashed these in enduro sections and have not had issues.
Ima retired USA welder. You have to have real welders, not just some jackoff. A good weld is stronger than the surrounding tube. They must have some jacoff doing it.
She didn’t tell us why she doesn’t like the 450. My main complaint is getting to the air filter. Having to remove the fuel tank in a modern bike simply to get to the air filter is crazy if you’re going to ride it off road.
There were complaints on the old 411 concerning the air filter location; down low under the seat. It was susceptible to sucking in water on a water crossing. That's why it wad moved.
It had to be done for the sake of keeping the bike narrow, as one of the complaints with the old style Himalayan was, that standing up was not comfortable because of the bulky outward covers.
I live RE concept of nice priced user friendly bikes but the style of them is questionable !! They just look messy and unfinished. They need a decent designer
It looks bad ass😄 and you can make it even more bad ass, with simple mods, Have a T7 with 5k€ options ! Its a killer ……But still Im curious about Himalayan ! And How good i can make it 😂😂 My friends Doesen’t call anymore 😂😂😂😂
They need a lowering kit for the 450 thousands are missing out on this bike especially in Asia ,Royal enfeild is missing out in prophet because of this ,jimmy WA
If you really need to cruise all day at 130 kph this is not the bike for you. It will do that speed but I can’t think of any worse riding than all day at 130 on a freeway.
@@BikerTorque True, at least on a bike of this size. I should have worded that better. It's not uncommon to travel on Freeways here in the USA for a couple of hours between trails, backroads, and dirt roads. I was merely curious if this bike is capable without hurting the engine. Off road bikes in general are not built for comfort on the road (obviously). I still haven't heard when this model will be available in the USA if ever. I think a lot of people would be drawn to it for various reasons. It does look more dirt/trail friendly than the 411 model.
Ah, the first part of my message didn't upload! I did try to say "Did you realise that if you set the TFT display to digital instead of analogue, you can see a full live map display of the tripper Sat nav in the top half if the screen, as well as the turn by turn instruction icons? If you set to digital, you only get the turn by turn icons. I find tripper to be lagging a bit at multi junction turns. Sent me the wrong way down a motorway, against my suspicion of the correct direction. Wasted forty minutes getting back to the start point .
@@BikerTorque Naah. Any such dependence is a propagated myth. Indian languages are phonetic, meaning there is no difference between the written and pronounced versions of nouns, common or proper.
The only negative I can see with this bike is the lack of a traditional brake light, that is separate from the signal lights. This could be a safety issue, since most drivers are expecting to see the brake lights in the middle and that is where they will be looking...they may not realize, that this is how the bike is set up and ignore the signal lights lighting up when the brake is applied, thinking that the signal lights are maybe malfunctuoning or something... This setup might be too advanced and therefore confusing for the average idiot driver, especially here in North America. Last thing a biker needs is the minivan behind him being confused about when hitting the brakes, as they are already too busy texting or applying make-up, which further degrades their attention span.
this review was very ageist , do not like that (just my opinion ). Love my int 650 , adore my Hunter 350 , and soon i will testride the new Himalayan ( but i think i am already sold , love the looks !!)
I agree, Tegan and Lukas were terribly rude, might turn down my hearing aid next time I have to do a video with them, lol. The new Himalayan will definitely be a great addition to your collection. Thanks for watching
I said this a few years ago that Royal Enfield is going to dominate the Japanese market in due course. Love my Interceptor and i have been riding bikes since the late 60's.
I’d totally agree with that, especially in the mid capacity segment. All of the 650 twin models are wonderful and this new Iiquid cooled 450 is right up there with the best bikes on the market in this segment
@@BikerTorque Come on, should we talk about all the great Japanese bikes ? What if they lowered their prices a little ? I wouldn't count them out just yet.
@@leeinwisdon’t get me wrong, there are some great Japanese bikes, but only after the Interceptor have we started to see some good retro mid capacity bikes. Most companies seem to want to produce bigger and bikes.
My 650 V Strom is now 19 years old with 130,000km and still going like a champion. I can honestly say I personally don't think any bike made in China, such as the very well reviewed Benelli 702X, or this Himalayan, will achieve this.
Dominate? Lololol lolol this junkfield? This scam company? Competing against Japanese masterpieces? It cldnt compete in its prime, it wont now. Delusion is too much
I have booked mine here in Delhi, before buying it I borrowed it from my friend, he has Hanle black and I am buying the same top version. Rode it for 339 kms and fell in love with every bit. There are some vibrations but given it's big CC single cylinder it's fine. The vibes creep in around 90- 110 kmph mark but settle down beyond that and engine is really butter smooth near 120 kmph mark which is good for cruising. Also, I managed to go off road and was blown away by its suspension it's truly magic as everyone is saying in the reviews. Looking forward to long trips with this one 🥰
Congratulations on the purchase, it’s a wonderful bike both on and off road, and that suspension is top notch
I was wondering why these guys didn’t comment on the vibrations part. This has been a major red flag for me as 95-120 kmph is really a sweet spot for highway riding in India.
RE haven't chased the market with this but instead have built upon their brand values and served thier customer base, which is refreshing and has not only bought a very appealing bike to market, they have also enriched thier broader brand with it. Other manufacturers should take heed. Yes, RE is a budget brand but it's an entirely credible builder of charismatic machines.
Perfectly said, couldn’t agree more. They are going to continue to dominate this mid capacity segment for many years to come.
would not call it a budget brand when even their cheapest models get better paint jobs than the usual mid-price offering from other brands.
The only thing us westerners perceive as budget is the price and power, but this is just because their market values price and fuel consumption above power any day
@@benjamin.f.b. i think in terms of budget we are both referring to price point, RE machines are incredible value for money, particularly the new Himalayan 450. Definitely not budget from a quality and power perspective
Ive got the 411 rode 14k the first year zero issues. It doesn't over promise at anything and does everything you ask of it. Ive been riding since 77 many bikes, ive a Buell and Harley but this gets the ride time.
I didn’t mind the 411 but the 450 is a massive step up on every level.
The 411 is a great bike.. always depends on what you're looking for!!
7:25 just switch to the day mode, display background will be white and no problem in sunlight.
Good tip
@@BikerTorque Tip that someone reviewing it should know... xD
@@Pateramalinanot really, to be busy having fun riding it
You can still put a tube in a tubeless tire if you get a flat. Idk how yall dont know that.
That’s a very good point
No, that's not right. Tubeless rims are not made for tubes, they're not made smooth for tubes, and the valve hole will be too big. It will not be safe and will not hold up.
I think other important thing is that a tube tire can run in a very low pressure, it give you a lot more o traction in dirt
@@chadkline4268 The tyres themselves are an issue as well as they are not smooth. The tube can start to rub and pop. All around bad idea, unless you're really stuck. I'd bring a tube on a long trip in a remote area. Chuck some talcum powder in there and it will rub less. Get some bigger washers and a nut to hold the valve. Maybe some tape to cover the rim, or smooth that out before. It's a one time job.
Got to say I’m loving mine, great on the road, on sand, on gravel, snotty single track, no problem! Some minor niggles but overall great bike at a great price!
It safe to say that you could find a few niggles with pretty much any bike, agree,great bike at a great price point
Such an honest review and I own the old bike.
It's better than the old one , but it's still not there yet.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. I’d have to say it’s very, very close to “getting there”.
@@BikerTorque Enjoyed it and its true.
Not there yet? Where do you want it to go? For the price it's a great bike..
I went to have a look at my local dealer, I liked it to be honest.
Nice simple machine.
Dealer offered me a test ride and asked what I ride.
I said 2002 R1150GS
He just laughed and said keep what you’ve got.
lol, but did you test ride it?
@@BikerTorque I will but I haven’t yet
I think that shift distance is there so you can fit a big dirt boot in there. I noticed the same with my Tenere when wearing shoes but not a problem at all with dirt boots.
Yes, I think you are absolutely spot on
Hi from india... loved the way the review was split into parts so we could understand better..
A common issue with all the 450's is that the bike sways to the right when you take off your hands from the handle bar.
Royal Enfield is replacing the stem nut under warranty for the same reason.
Glad it helped. Didn’t have an issue with it pulling to the right
@BikerTorque - OK. In india, the stem botls are getting replaced under warranty for the same reason. Kind of a silent recall.
ok tried today the Hima while the shotgun the hunter and the interc a while ago. best of them all imo is the interc. the hima does better offroad than on road!!! i tried on a rocky countryside road after going on flat towny road and i immediately felt more grip on the rocky one! it's so strange! i even aimed at the holes on the ground cause i thought i didn't crossed one since i felt nothing while riding for a while. color me surspised simply put the hima doens' let you feel nothing! still the interc is a beeter pure motorcycle for normal use.
Yes, the Interceptor is still a great bike, but my personal preference would be the Continental GT over the Interceptor, love the look and the handling
Great review as always guys. Love Tegan's honesty.
Thanks Jimi. It’s a wonderful bike, at least 2 of us loved riding it.
I agree with Teagan. That shift lever and the TFT need some work.
The gear lever thing. I notice you removed the rubber from the pegs. If you do that, you need to adjust the angle of the lever on the splined shaft.
The press bike we received didn’t have the rubber inserts, I assume the previous reviewer removed them, but yet, easy enough to adjust the angle of the lever.
I wear size 11 bike boots, and I have no problem with the shifter. Seems it was designed for heavy duty footwear, and yes, it can be adjusted .for the display problem in sunlight I use a smoked lens filter( used for cameras, pops on and off)😊
Yes, I might have to ride it with my chunkier touring boots, I reckon that would solve the issue.
Informative report guys! This machine is in the mix with the MT 450 CF moto, ill just wait a bit and see what issues arise over the next year, since both untried in the real world yet!
Cheers! 🙂👍
We need to try and speak to CF Moto here in Australia to see if we can get some bikes, hearing good things.
@@BikerTorque CF stands for communist filth 😏.
I wouldn’t buy a Chinese bike based on there poor quality of parts and there attitude towards the rest of the world!!
I took delivery of my 450 on the 1 June and I had to move the gear lever because even with my size 11 feet I struggled to go from 1st to 2nd, also around town in stop start traffic at low speeds the bike is very gear change needy but if you use the Eco mod it becomes very user friendly. The only problem with that is to go back to Performance mode you have to switch off the ignition....... Apart from that and the screen which I will change when the high version becomes available in the UK I love it.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that it was easier to ride in ECO mode in traffic, but to be fair, I didn’t really ride it in traffic, mostly back roads and dirt roads.
Were you able to adjust the gear lever to your liking in the end?
I have a Scram 411 and had hard time shifting with my bulky work boots....but luckily the adjustment was as easy as losening up 2 lock nuts and now it is perfect.
So I test rode the 450 in the black and put my order in, but I wanted tubeless tyres because they are probably easier to fix, if you are concerned about rupturing a tyre, you could always carry some tubes.
I was disappointed to find that they are not providing the black tubeless version with the gold wheels yet, so I changed my order to the white one. It should be arriving within the next week so looking forward to getting out on it. Main issue is the lean on the side stand but I am sure some adaption can be made to overcome that.
This will be a 2nd bike, I already have a speedmaster chrome, just need to decide when to tell the missus 😬
Probably easier to apologise than asked permission. The Black version does look the goods, but good choice on the white tubeless option. Enjoy, I had such a blast riding it.
same here. 2nd all year bike. my harley for the pub-rides
Great observation on the shift problem.
thanks for watching.
Most ageist video from Biker Torque to date. Old mate “didnt see the shift light”; “I’m not a die hard ADV rider, I haven’t reached my 60th birthday yet”. Righto. Apart from that balanced review.
lol, hopefully you still enjoyed it
It’s a great looking bike I look forward to seeing one in the flesh. I had issues with the highway speed of the old one and I felt like a greyhound on a golf ball. So I’m very interested in checking out the new one. Funny the differences in all your opinion of this bike. Great review team 😎🤙🏻
Cheers Big Bert. I suppose we all ride differently and look for different things in bikes. I reckon you’d be OK on it, Lukas is about the same height as you.
Johnny Player Special colors - love it!
Yes, that’s exactly what it’s like.
Think you guys got a bike that someone had moved the gear lever. I test rode it and had no problem with the gear lever
You could be right, as we said though, easy to pop off and adjust
I had the same experience. I tried a bone stock bike and a bike with the shifter adjusted by a previous rider who rode it in enduro boots. No problem with the stock setting, the adjusted lever was not giving me feedback at all.
Better in most ways than the 411, but... I don't like it. The 411 dash cluster is far better than the new TFT screen, but the engine and suspension upgrades can't be ignored. It just looks so generic though. The 411 is like the Bullet - it has soul, and puts a smile on your face (as long as you're not trying to overtake uphill).
As far as the tyres go, I'll always take tubeless - can drop the pressure further without risking pinch flats, and if you do puncture a sidewall? Throw a tube in.
Yes, a few have mentioned hysteria throwing a tube in, good point. But styling wise and engine, it’s definitely still got plenty of RE character
Looking forward to seeing other versions of the 450 - presumably a scrambler with 19", street bike with 17" and a mini cruiser. A scrambler version with cast wheels/tubeless tyres would be my choice....might just persuade me to part with my 411 Scram.
Not sure about a cruiser, but can definitely see a Street bike and a Scrambler, cracking engine.
I bought one. Unlike the video suggests, I bought mine for dirt and it is excellent offroad. Love mine.
Nice one, it’s a very capable off roader.
Righto...
No Indicating
No Mirrors!
Ross said so 😅😂❤
Great trio review guys! 👌
lol, exactly.
Sorry, the 450 doesn't have double the torque of the 411, it has 40Nm up from the 411's 32Nm. Definitely more but not 2x. Alao I don't get the complaint about mirrors, I'm 6'2 so I assume I'm bigger than Tegan and I've never had a bike where i couldn't see behind myself.
True, my bad. I think our issue with RE mirrors is they keep coming loose because we all set them differently
Lock tight will fix that issue im sure
Great overview. Not double the torque btw - old Himi has 32 nm.
Yes, I think we got a bit excited. It does feel like double the torque though
This is a great bike for adventure (on and off road) riders, for everyone else the Guerrilla is perfect. The thing about Brit designed/Indian built bikes, they have simplicity, soul and a soundtrack...what else do you want? I have had my Meteor 350, lacking only a bit of power, this will be my new bike, the Guerrilla that is. Forget horsepower, low rpm torque is the key for fun.
Simplicity, soul and soundtrack. The three essential S’s. I might steal that for a video title. Thanks for watching
@@BikerTorque Just put the cheque in the post!!!
I like the red and black. I would still like to try one of these. Great price for a new bike.
Awesome price, great for some of those dirt roads in Tassie.
I love Royal Enfield, own a beefed-up Classic 350, so great, but yeah their stock mirrors are....uh, not good. Plenty of options to swap 'em out but it's a weird signature characteristic of the brand. 😂 In any case, I really loved my test ride on this new Himalayan!
Lol, not just us with the mirrors then.
What an amazing team. You guys ROCK with the presentation. Really enjoyable to watch as you laugh, smile, and play off each other throughout. Well done! And I'm actually considering getting this bike after seeing the review.
Thanks so much! Glad to hear you like our banter and the video
Also, great to hear you are buying a Himi.
I am happy to see smaller capacity dual use bikes coming out. Now If we could see the Japanese bring out a 400 - 500cc dual sport/trail bikes with larger oil capacity for longer oil changes and 140kgs max weight.
I would go back to a DRZ400 if it had a wider ratio, 6 speed gear box!
Instead I bought a Cfmoto 450MT before I even knew about the RE 450 Himalayan. Though in looking at the two bikes, I picked the one best suited for what I want to do with it
The review you guys did I really like and the thoughts of 3 riders give a better idea of what the bike is like.
One thing I have seen that I don't loke about the Himalayan is the air filter change. Fuel tank off, disconnect 2 or 3 hoses just to get at it. Bad idea to me, no matter how good the bike is.
Thanks, we are hoping to bring some more reviews with the three of us, time permitting. Haven’t ridden the CFMoto but it seems to be getting good reviews. Also, I didn’t realise that about the air filter change. It does seem like a bit of a mucking about… but for the cost I think there has to be some compromises
Cb500x over this any day
@@Jb-Rajano and not even close. The suspension on the 500x might as well be paper.
I thought it was very good after test riding it. In my opinion, the gear box was very good and had no issues changing gears. That said, I thought the CFMoto450 felt more spirited and looks more like an adventure bike.
Haven’t ridden the CFMoto yet but will have to soon as everyone seems to be raving about it. Thanks for watching
Can’t go wrong with a black colour scheme with gold rims.
Probably should have only 3 ride modes. Road, rain and dirt.
If I was looking for an adventure bike today, this probably would have been high on the list.
Top of the list for me. Yep, and love that black and gold
Did you discover the full map on the digital option for the gift screen when using the tripper nav system?
No, couldn’t get it working, I think the press bike we had needed a software update
The old one looked so much cooler. Like something out of Indiana Jones. They should have sold both side by side, not replaced.
All personal preference I suppose, I prefer the look of the new one, but thanks for watching.
This guy makes a Himalayan look small. How tall is he?!
lol, he is 6’5” so much taller than the average person
To me the Himalayan 450 looks butt ugly & lacks the charm of the original model. I'm not a fan of ADV bike styling at all, but at least the Himalayan 411 had nice clean lines to go with the vintage look. The Himalayan 450 looks like it's just been cobbled together with parts from other bikes in comparison.
The engine, on the other hand, looks like a ripper & is the most important engine RE has made in their history IMO. Let's hope reliability isn't an issue & they do a much better job on the scrambler styling than they did on the Himalayan 450.
Totally agree with you on the engine, but sorry can’t agree on the styling. To me the design and styling looks purposeful, I’m also not generally a fan of ADV bike styling, but this one, not ashamed to say I really do like.
You guys didn’t face any vibration related issues? Or is it bearable?
Didn’t have any issues with vibrations at all
Can you guys review CFMoto 450MT? I was gonna get this new RE but will probably get the CFMoto instead.
Shall see if we can chat with CF Moto
I’m SOOO glad you’ve said what you said about getting into second. The number of times I’ve ‘neutraled’ mine is frustrating.
I’ll get used to it, so not really a complaint, but I thought it was just me!
Definitely not just you, all three of us had the same issue, but Tegan & Lukas seemed to have the main issue with it. I probably rode it a bit more than the other two and definitely got used to it
Just switch to Motul 7100 oil, 10W-40 full ester synthetic. You have to use Motul 7100 oil if you ever want your motorcycle to shift properly. On motorcycles, it's the type of oil, the brand, the viscosity, and the characteristics of the oil that determine how good it shifts. That's because they have a wet clutch, and the transmission uses the same oil as the engine. Changing brands of oil is like changing the whole transmission. Some oils don't work. Amsoil Metric 10W-40 works well. But Motul 7100 is even better at high temperatures, with no change at high temperatures. You'll notice an increase in top end horsepower with Motul 7100 too.
Split tube steel frame is easy to fix. It’s a global market, but the bike is still made for India.
The 411 handles really well considering the huge front hoop. So I’d imagine the upgraded bike with significantly better suspension will be better.
Hmmm. Should I sell the Tiger???? 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, yes you should. Stef, you know I liked the old Himi, but the new one is next level. Thinking of selling the Meteor and buying one
I rode the bike on the street.
You feel like you’re sitting on top of the bike, for a refined 450 water cooled engine you would think the engine would feel smoother but it felt clanky. You have to really give it gas to accelerate from a stop
Comfortable bike though feels a little heavier than I thought it would
Water cooled but still a single, hence the thumpier feeling from the engine. Agree, you do feel like you are sitting nice and high. I didn’t really notice the weight, but then again I had just jumped off a Ducati Desert X, now that is top heavy.
Olá do Brasil!! Qual melhor moto para uso geral, Versys-X 300 ou Himalayan 450? Tenho a Versys 300 e penso que que a Himalayan 450 seria um upgrade de suspensão, tecnologia e consumo... Não tenho certeza se o desempenho seria melhor... Abraços
Ola. Definitely an upgrade in suspension, electronics and performance. The Versys is still a good bike though
I just wish it had 50+hp. Just that littttle bit more.
I hope to pick one up early 2025.
Can someone explain to me the main reasons behind tubed and tubeless.
Why would I want to choose the tubeless version? I have my ideas and know a little but would love more input on this topic.
I think if you are mostly riding on road then Tubeless is the way to go, pretty straightforward to repair if you get a puncture.
If you ride with your toes on the footrests, how can you complain about not reaching the gear lever?
Aahh, yes if you always ride that way correct
They need a lowering kit for the shorter riders ,they did it with the 411 ,Honda did it with the 300 brought out the LS ,not every one bothers ground clearance the just want to touch the ground ,their sales would rise especially in Asia
I’m sure someone will make one
Re Himalayan 450, Its top heavy, especially off the side stand. CF Motto 450 MT has a light feel to it and a lighter clutch pull. I have not test ridden either bike but sat on them and played with the weight from the side stand. They both appear to be well made but I was put off by the Himalayan 450's heavier feel and cluthch pull. Between the two of them, I would pick the CF Motto 450 MT. It may not have as much fuel range and possibly shorter service intervals but the bike feels better to me.
I think you should test ride both. The Himi definitely isn’t heavy, and we certainly didn’t find it too heavy, but can’t compare to the CFMoto as we haven’t ridden one yet
@BikerTorque Thanks for the advice. I agree that the best thing would be to take one for a ride. Nathan, the postman (UK channel), did a review of both of them as he owns them. He has some interesting thoughts on both bikes. Essentially, his opinion on the Himalayan is along the lines of what I mentioned. His thoughts on the CF Moto 450 mt is that it's a unicorn (big call). He runs bike tours so he has a variety of bikes old Himalayan, Triumph 400x, etc. I am not an affliliate just an Australian bloke who is looking for his next bike after 7 years ( the last bike was a vstrom 650. Cheers, Todd
@BikerTorque Hi again, I did end up going on a test ride of the Himalayan 450. It's a good bike, but I ended up getting the CFMoto 450MT. Personally, I found the 450MT a better all round package, engine, build quality and ride. But thats how I found it others may have a different opinion. Cheers, Todd
@@toddparker6807nice one, we have reached out to CF Moto to see if we can get some our their bikes for review, it will be good to compare. Enjoy your new bike
@@BikerTorque Thanks, I think you guys will like it, Cheers
Sales tell the story, it selling very well
100%
If RE could slide an engine with say 60-75 HP into this frame, Americans will gobble them up. Particularly with HD acting foolish.
How good would that be, but honestly as it is the power is fine
@@BikerTorque I agree. Its a want not a need. Like the KLR, we just want more power but the bike does the job as is.
it's not 'himarlian' it's 'him - a -lay - an'. Don't speak english incorrectly just because other people do. and no, this video is not in indian, it's in english.
I respectfully disagree, but at the end of the day it’s a motorcycle, don’t know why people get so hung up on pronunciation
It's not that either. It's HIMAL-YAN.
Also 'Indian' is not a language. Educate yourself!
Regarding the year shift. I have no problems. Maybe you had a bad examp!e.
I reckon you are probably correct
Tubed tyres isn’t an issue if you have a centre stand - makes it easier. Also - you screw your rim or dent your rim on an outback tour, which this bike is capable of, you’re f$%ked if you have tubeless, unless you carry a spare tube, which um, you may as well saved some coin and got the tubed version in the first place.
Thats true.
I’m a bit late to the party “ maybe because I’m about 3 years off 60 “.
Your young fella seems to make comments on some issues he really doesn’t seem to know much about ( or just makes it up ) . I’m not going to go into his rant as to much to mention. I don’t own one but ridden a few times , and consider selling my Honda 300 Rally to buy one ☝️, I also have a Moto Guzzi V85tt. I’m on bike number 28 , a list of Enduro , Motorcross , ADV and road . I’m no expert but feel I do have some 50 odd years of riding to know if a bike doesn’t come with Handguatds or Tubes it’s either an ADV bike or not .
Thanks for sharing, let’s us know if you do swap the Honda Rally for the Himalayan. Haven’t ridden the Honda but have heard good things. As for the V85TT, love a Guzzi and will have to own one at some point, but reckon I’m more a a V7 kind of guy. As for the young fella, Lukas, well can say he’s never boring to have around, always some kind of debate going on. Thanks for watching, hope you enjoy the content.
@@BikerTorque I do like your channel 👍
@@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 cheers, having a great time producing the content.
No mention on how difficult or heavy it is to get upright off the side stand?
Or all of you were fine with it?
Pretty sure none of had an issue getting it off the side stand
Looks the part has the goodies I like it mate
Yeah, I loved it also, definitely worth a test ride
@@BikerTorque got the sidecar bolted to xt last night test this arvo got it sitting even and square too see how it handles im guessing evil and terrible hehe
@@tazyt3388 evil and terrible, but probably extremely grin inducing. Can’t wait to see a video of it up and running
Ahh just did a quick lap didn’t film it my god weird doesn’t even come close laugh and poo hehe
Those front bar guards are HORRIBLE
Who did design it?
I reckon they looks quite purposeful
The bike is not bad though, a bit top heavy, bit of a buzz here there, bad lights, leans excessively while on the side stand... And that's about the negatives I can muster.
Yes, there are not to many negatives about the bike.
Reminds me of an old xt
Yes, it does have a bit of an XT vibe going on.
I never buy new either. I bought a 2001 BMW F650Gs, a much better bike, for $2000 US. !!!
Haven’t ridden the F650, but have ridden the F800 and must admit wasn’t really a fan, found it really top heavy.
I agree, i have a 2007 650gs,these new bikes dont even come close to it.
Two reports of the frame cracking on Himalaya 450s in India.
Two out of how many sold?
I saw a video from India today and he showed where the frame broke on the 450 himalian what’s going on there or was the video a fake I don’t know that should be investigated ,if it’s true this is dangerous at 100ks
It's fake I think. The uploaded removed the original video and the frame looks like it's cut.
I don't think the chasis break is a issue, because a lot of users are pushing these bikes here in India and they are fine. Could be something wrong with a particular model, if it did happen.
It's not a problem as of now.
The riders had installed aftermarket crash guards and had not put a couple of bolts back in or were not torqued well. Many have thrashed these in enduro sections and have not had issues.
I seriously doubt it’s an issue, I seen videos of these being ridden very hard, and based on the press bike we had the frame is solid
Ima retired USA welder. You have to have real welders, not just some jackoff. A good weld is stronger than the surrounding tube. They must have some jacoff doing it.
She didn’t tell us why she doesn’t like the 450.
My main complaint is getting to the air filter. Having to remove the fuel tank in a modern bike simply to get to the air filter is crazy if you’re going to ride it off road.
That does seem like a strange design
There were complaints on the old 411 concerning the air filter location; down low under the seat. It was susceptible to sucking in water on a water crossing. That's why it wad moved.
@@billymc2681 Thry should have located it in a spot that you don’t have to remove the tank to change a filter.
It had to be done for the sake of keeping the bike narrow, as one of the complaints with the old style Himalayan was, that standing up was not comfortable because of the bulky outward covers.
@@VLK-73 interesting that other bikes have solved that issue without having to go through all that rigamarole.
I live RE concept of nice priced user friendly bikes but the style of them is questionable !! They just look messy and unfinished.
They need a decent designer
Can’t agree with you there
It looks bad ass😄 and you can make it even more bad ass, with simple mods,
Have a T7 with 5k€ options ! Its a killer ……But still Im curious about Himalayan ! And How good i can make it 😂😂
My friends Doesen’t call anymore 😂😂😂😂
@@miclinda256 just stick with the T7
@ reason tells me so…😄👍
They need a lowering kit for the 450 thousands are missing out on this bike especially in Asia ,Royal enfeild is missing out in prophet because of this ,jimmy WA
It doesn’t feel to tall because of that slim seat but I’m sure someone will make a lowering kit
It’s is lighter but only by 3 kg
6.61 pounds in 'Merica..fuck yeah !
lol, 3 kgs is 3 kgs
The first guy pronounced it correctly. The second guy should shut up. I disliked and left when he spoke.
Good for you, but thanks for taking the time to comment
Don’t like ride by wire cont fix it in the bush your stuffed ,they should go back to cable cheaper to produce as well
But aren’t most adventure bikes now ride by wire?
It doesn't have double the torque
thanks
But will it cruise at 130 kph/75 mph all day? You often have to ride high speed roads to get to the slower speed dirt roads and highways.
If you really need to cruise all day at 130 kph this is not the bike for you. It will do that speed but I can’t think of any worse riding than all day at 130 on a freeway.
@@BikerTorque True, at least on a bike of this size. I should have worded that better. It's not uncommon to travel on Freeways here in the USA for a couple of hours between trails, backroads, and dirt roads. I was merely curious if this bike is capable without hurting the engine. Off road bikes in general are not built for comfort on the road (obviously). I still haven't heard when this model will be available in the USA if ever. I think a lot of people would be drawn to it for various reasons. It does look more dirt/trail friendly than the 411 model.
Yes it will cruise at 75 all day.
Check out fuzzy biker. He did 1000 miles in a day on interstate at 75 to 80
So much for an objective approach here, eh?
Well 2 out of the 3 of us love it, what can we say
🤗🙏
👍
Tft, not gift
lol, I would love this bike as a gift.
Ah, the first part of my message didn't upload! I did try to say "Did you realise that if you set the TFT display to digital instead of analogue, you can see a full live map display of the tripper Sat nav in the top half if the screen, as well as the turn by turn instruction icons? If you set to digital, you only get the turn by turn icons.
I find tripper to be lagging a bit at multi junction turns. Sent me the wrong way down a motorway, against my suspicion of the correct direction. Wasted forty minutes getting back to the start point .
@@markbright7845 unfortunately we couldn’t get the tripper to work, the bike needed a software update.
Its himalayan 452
thanks for the tip
The “A” is not silent in Himalayas, neither is it silent in Himalayan.
Depends who you ask😂
@@BikerTorque Naah. Any such dependence is a propagated myth. Indian languages are phonetic, meaning there is no difference between the written and pronounced versions of nouns, common or proper.
However, a brand may have it's own pronunciation....something to think about.
I can confirm Ross' pronunciation is 👌
I'll pronounce it anyway I please , do something aboot it 😏.
@@praveenbec Too bad the name is Tibetan .
Turned off after 5 seconds. Sounds like you're addressing children
Thanks for sharing, have a great day
@@BikerTorque you are most welcome
The only negative I can see with this bike is the lack of a traditional brake light, that is separate from the signal lights.
This could be a safety issue, since most drivers are expecting to see the brake lights in the middle and that is where they will be looking...they may not realize, that this is how the bike is set up and ignore the signal lights lighting up when the brake is applied, thinking that the signal lights are maybe malfunctuoning or something...
This setup might be too advanced and therefore confusing for the average idiot driver, especially here in North America.
Last thing a biker needs is the minivan behind him being confused about when hitting the brakes, as they are already too busy texting or applying make-up, which further degrades their attention span.
I actually quite like the integrated lights.
40 PS is not close to twice the power, so stop saying that.
45 would have been close.
Maths is not my strong point
this review was very ageist , do not like that (just my opinion ). Love my int 650 , adore my Hunter 350 , and soon i will testride the new Himalayan ( but i think i am already sold , love the looks !!)
I agree, Tegan and Lukas were terribly rude, might turn down my hearing aid next time I have to do a video with them, lol. The new Himalayan will definitely be a great addition to your collection. Thanks for watching
Fact is the bike is more capable than you are!
You are probably right. In fact, I’d say its more capable that most.
Where did you get nine grand?
Intro price in Australia when we recorded this was $8990.
@@BikerTorque thank you. I didn’t realize you were in Australia. Hopefully it will be a little less in US dollars.