Corypheus' speech when he meets the Inquisitor was perfect, in my opinion. "Beg that I succeed. For I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty." It was almost as creepy as Hespith's chant in the first game.
Nico Bones gave me all the explanation for his motivations I needed. We know WHO he is without knowing him specifically. He’s a jaded believer who now wants his power for himself. In some ways he IS like Solas but now in how Jackdaw presents it. Both are out of time, want to tear down the Veil, and return the world to their own idealized past. L
During the attack on Haven, Corypheus sound like an interresting villain: kind of a Nietzschean guy trying to replace a god with his sheer will. And... it gets boring afterwards. He sits and doesn't attack again, the Inquisitor twarts everything, etc. A cooler villain arc would have made the game more thrilling
Abosulutely. I Keep a save of the attack on heaven just to replay every now and then. The first time I finished the game I thought Corypheus was going to assault Skyhold I was dissapointed. You know kindda like kill the herald to prove there is no Maker and to prevent the inquisition to fck up future plans.
I don't think Corypheus is the true villain of DAI, which is why he was portrayed as a moustache-twirling madman. It's Solas. The true bad guy, right under our noses and initially an ally. Oh Solas! Why you break my heart?!
Kirkwall always felt like the ultimate representation of everything that was wrong in the world of Thedas. All the corruption, not just in magic but in politics, social ideas, etc. Hawke does their best to make things better and keep the peace, but they can never truly win in a city like that. There is a sub-plot/side mission that does explain why the city is so messed up (blood magic and daemons), but I think Kirkwall would still be messed up without that. It's a city founded upon slavery for a start!
I think it's good that Corypheus didn't unload all of the potential juicy lore because I suspect, due to the cyclical nature of many fantasy tales, the series will inevitably end in the Black/Golden city. That part of the tale will clearly be central to a future game, perhaps even the next one? It is set in Tevinter after all! Corypheus' ambition was to revive Tevinter and rule Thedas by using the Fade as a weapon, showing that he is a zealot who no longer cares about dwelling on the intricacies of the Black/Golden City. His arrogance derived from the very fact he had found the Black City, had seen the bitter reality that there is no Maker and witnessed a 'truth' few could ever understand. Therefore I believe that his reaction is entirely realistic given the pure disdain he has for people who he feels should be punished and forced to accept his reality. Perhaps when we meet him in the fade somewhere down the line he will be less pompous and more willing to debate and question what he saw? That's what I think we'll see in a future game.
he didn't break mine, cause i refused to romance him lol. i didn't trust him from the start, now we didn't know he was behind all this, but the moment he grabs your characters arm i knew something was off about him.
My theory: it isn't the old gods calling to darkspawn, or that whispered to the magisters. It's the elven gods who are locked in the black city, which used to be Arlathan. They created the blight and tricked the magisters into breaking in and getting infected. So then they can manipulate tainted creatures into Awakening the old gods as they are the seals that lock the elven gods in the black city
But if it was always the elven gods whispering to the magisters, then they were the ones who helped Tevinter destroy Arlathan. Why would the Evanuris destroy the remains of their own empire? Why wouldn't they whisper to the Arlathan elves instead (judging by how the Dalish still keep the Evanuris' slave marks, the survivors of old Elvhenan were faithful to the gods, and not Solas' rebels)?
@@RevanSurik I have a small theory on that, I simply believe they wanted to tear down what solas wanted to protect from them. Yes it was initially all of their empire in unison but when he rebelled I feel like they would rather destroy what he stood to protect rather than keep the whole and in that wild theory perhaps they could rebuild what they destroyed I'm not even sure. But you do have a point my good sir why would they let tevinter destroy the smallest potential of their rebuilt empire
So it wasn't the old gods that whispered to the magistrates it was the elven gods. But what are old gods exactly then and why the blight is searching for them ? Was the point of the elven gods to make the people of thades kill the old God's in self defense? That's a big risk and could have ended all life.
@@nicbahtin4774 if we've learned anything from Inquisition it's that dragons and the elven gods were closely tied to together. Flemeth/Mythal herself is able to transform into a dragon and she passes that ability on to Morrigan if she drinks from the well or she loans the Inquisitior a dragon instead. Since there were 7 old gods and 7 elven gods it's possible that the old gods are extensions of the Evanuris themselves and they were in fact the keys that Solas used in order to banish the Evanuris in the first place. This might explain why Flemeth and Solas were so interested in preserving the soul of Urthermial with the dark ritual and part of why Solas all of a sudden wants to tear open the Veil because the Evanuris are already on their way to escaping. 🤔
@@stevenceja4706 i also think the evanuris didn't lie to the magisters when they whispered to them about the promise of immortality after all the blight did turn them immortal. i guess we will know for sure in the next game
I don't mind my villains being a bit 2D sometimes. "No, Mr Trevelyan, I expect you to die," is refreshingly honest and to the point, and I'm happy for villains with certain motivations not to feel any need to share them with the protagonist. It goes without saying that any villain thinks he or she is the good guy and that the protagonist is the baddie, so they need a damn good reason to fill their enemy in on their background and future plans. Saren in Mass Effect is one of those who had a good reason - he really didn't want to be opposed to Shepard and wanted to persuade Shepard to join him if possible. Same with Darth Vader and Luke. Luke gets the If-You-Only-Knew-The-Power treatment while other people opposing Vader get Force choked to death or cut in half because there's no logical reason for him to care about them the way he does about Luke's fate. From Corypheus' perspective the Inquisitor is not a Luke Skywalker or Commander Shepard character but a Screw-You-Why-Can't-You-Just-Die character. Boastful big noting monologues are fine because Corypheus is a vainglorious kind of tool, but there's really little reason for him to give the Inquisitor (and therefore us) much in the way of exposition. What would've been really interesting is if the writers had put in an option for an Inquisitor who was from Tevinter, or who had recent Tevinter ancestry that optionally they weren't aware of but Corypheus was for whatever reason. Corypheus could conceivably react very differently to that Inquisitor (Dorian too, but that's incidental), recognising the military power the Inquisition has built up and appealing to the Inquisitor to switch sides and help restore Tevinter's lost glory etc etc. This is basically what we got with Solas only having certain lines of expository dialogue only if the Inquisitor is a female elf who has a romantic relationship with him, but could have been played more strongly between Corypheus and an Inquisitor with a personal connection to Tevinter.
Fun fact: I'm on a playthrough where I head canon my character is from Tevinter (it's a bit complicated how she is, socially, on the same level as Dorian...ask and I'll tell that story XD)
I kinda felt like Corepheus was the right villain for inquisition. I think my bae Leliana explained it best when she said he was " a Darkspawn and Magestier, the ultimate evil" or something like that. It's not about what he was it's more about what he represented that made him the perfect antagonist for the socalled "Herald of Androste".
That's the point of making him the villain I think, but where the writing fumbles is that Corepheus is off screen during majority of the game's run time. This off hand villainy didn't give him enough opportunities to be fleshed out as the other side of the coin of the Inquisitor.
In my opinion the main problem wasn't even the lack of screen time he had. It's just that he didn't oppose any action you did. I was almost 100% certain that you would have to defend an attack on Skyhold. And that you would at least have lost a few battles as he outwits you. But no... In Dragon Age inquisition he always arrives too late - He always miscalculates and underestimates every single encounter. When that happens multiple times, then your fear vanishes..
I mean its pretty fittong tbh. The last three games have set up the universe for Solas to be the big bad. Although im sure his plan is infallible and his logic is maddeningly impenetrable.
I think if Corypheus sat down and told you his whole life story, or why he thinks the way he does would go against his entire character. I think it is better to leave him mysterious, than for him to be like "Oh by the way, here is why the blight is the way it is". It's kinda of like Mass Effect with the reapers, where they are mysterious for mostly 3 games. This is a series with an overarching picture in mind, so they are not gonna tell you everything when they still have a plan for the series. Expecting to know who or what Corypheus and his experience really is when there is still 2 games to go possibly is a misunderstanding of how to tell a big picture story
Corypheus has been betrayed by everything he has believed and now has cast is aside everything to relay on himself and his own agency. He was originally motivated by power which is why he tried to enter the golden city at the cost of the lives of hundreds of slaves. He is not morally grey, he show contempt for the lives of others in all his actions which is also why he doesn't bother explain himself. He still is the conductor and you are but a discordant note. But the truth is Corypheus actually knows very little as he was played by the Old Ones and a failed scheme. DAI isn't about Corypheus he is a red herring. Corypheus was defeated at Haven, that was his strongest point at the game and his losses there he never recovers from as the the Inquisition harry him. He always was just a prelude to introduce us to Solas the mastermind behind much of history.
When Corephyus says they entered the golden city and found the throne empty. I wonder since humans came later after the fall of the Elves. Could the Maker have been a elf God that was banished when Solas created the veil?
My headcannon is that the "black city," is Arlathan. It was a sort of ground zero, the reason you can always see it is because it's the only tangible thing.
You forget these are the same writers made an arc about warden seeking to end the calling all the while ignoring Fiona, who is no longer a warden, who is smack dab in the middle of inquisition.
Dominique Jacques - Fiona has no idea how she was cured. The Grey Wardens ran every kind of test on Fiona to learn how and interrogated her. They even tried to re-infect Fiona with the Taint! That last part is pretty horrid.
I think it was her pregnancy with Alistair that cured Fiona, because of King Maric and fetus Alistair carrying Great Dragon blood in their veins. I believe Alistair later was able to be tainted because his blood had already cured his mother, and left him with less Great Dragon blood power to protect him. [Just my guess.]
@David Kings - The Calling page 438 - "It had been many months since Fiona and Duncan had left. They had been recalled to Weisshaupt Fortress ... the Grey Wardens ... Maric had been reluctant to see Fiona go... He thought then that it might be the last time he ever saw her. With the state of her corruption, it seemed almost Certain that the Grey Wardens would send her on her Calling... The fact that Duncan had sent word that Fiona was returning with him had been surprising... ' *page 439 'Then she turned and put a hand on Duncan's shoulder. "Could you,...?" He nodded as if this was expected, and with a brief bow to Maric he turned and walked out of the chamber. So that left him and Fiona alone... The sunburn had left her with freckles, he noticed, but he didn't see any sign of the taint on her neck or her hands. Had it not spread? ...' *page 440 He grinned at her. "But I'd rather hear about you. The taint... when you left, you said ..." "It's gone," she said flatly. "The mages at Weisshaupt weren't sure if it was because the First Enchanter's brooch sped things up artificially, or ...at any rate, all the corruption vanished. They don't think it's going to come back, either. There was test after test, but they think I may be the first Grey Warden that never has to endure the Calling again." ... "They're keeping the brooches in case they can figure out how they worked,"... *page 441 "I'm being recalled to Weisshaupt. For good." ... "Maric, I have something to tell you." ... "Duncan, you can come back in." ... As he drew closer, Maric realized that what he was carrying wasn't a package. It was an infant. ... "Congratulations, Your Majesty," Duncan said with a grin. "It's a boy." He carefully handed the child to Maric, who took it numbly. ... The boy even looked a bit like Cailan.'
... I know you said Conductor of Silence, but I kept hearing "Conductor of Salads" and laughing my head off. (Seriously tho, very nice lore video, hope you do more!)
I don't get why people see him as a weak villain, I personnally loved him. Yes he did already appear in DA2 in a DLC but that was to introduce him just like they introduced Solas as a new villain in Trespasser but that doesn't mean he is a bad villain. For me DA Inquisition was the first DA game and I though the villain was perfect: Mysterious, powerful and intriguining. I could not stop wondering whether what he said was true and what he had seen.
@@briarrosegael2015 Truth be told, "antagonist" and "villain" are two very different words. "Antagonist" simply is the person in opposition to the protagonist, they could be good or evil (see: Pretty much any story that questions the nature of evil like Wicked or Dr. Horrible). A villain is someone who is evil whether they are the protagonist or not.
So... uh... how disappointed were you this year when you found out Solas is pretty much the responsible of everything? The Blight, the Black City, The Veil, pretty much everything that formed Thedas.
I don’t think Coryphyus really had the ability to talk about those things except in passing. My impression from him was that he was driven mad. With pride, fear, and who knows what else. He pretty much led a journey into a realm not meant for him and the results speak for themselves. I understand the disappointment of not getting to learn much from him, but I don’t think that’s really what he was meant for.
Not gonna lie, when Inquisition first came out I was disappointed with Corypheus as the primary villain. It felt lazy and unoriginal. Now, revisiting the game for the first time 6-7yrs later I'm really enjoying the story. I just finished "In Your Heart Shall Burn" and Corypheus's entrance and speech was much more unsettling than what I remember. I'm also paying a lot more attention to the lore and things that certain characters hint at early on, (looking at you Solas) and I'm really kind of impressed with the depth of the lore and characters.
Thanks to you Jackdaw I will be a walking encyclopedia when the next Dragon Age comes out. If you were my teacher back in the day I would have paid alot more attention in school lol
Corypheus wasn’t really the villain, he was the catalyst of everything that was wrong in DAI, the villain of DAI was the desecration of society’s structures of Religion, Rule, and Politics. Those took the forefront of the typical Villain character as is, that’s what we mostly dealt with in the main storylines. We only seen Corpyheus 2-3 times within the game itself and we only stopped his generals, and lieutenants in side quest and subzones
One thing I wish they'd played upon a bit more was that in Legacy, Corypheus had no idea what/who he was. He couldn't remember! And in Awakening, neither could the Architect. It would have been great to have seen some evidence of that, perhaps racing to uncover parts of his own life at the same time as the Inquisition. And honestly it would have been incredible to have seen the Architect again as a potential ally (Corypheus 'jumps' to a new body when he dies, so why couldn't he?). The Architect attempting to neutralise the Blight could have given us some hope that the world as it is IS redeemable, without Solas doing his hard reset. A nice bit of hope for DA4. There's so much foundational lore surrounding those original Magisters who entered the Black City, but we (potentially) kill two of them without getting any answers, or being any the wiser about what actually occurred back then. DAI would have been the perfect time for a clue.
i mean clearly they just didn't want to reveal the truth of the world in one go they had him hit at things it's one of the things i like about dragon age he is boring though
you do have a great point in the video which you didn't expand on it. -the memories of corypheus in the fade. remember what happened to the Inquisitor? he entered the fade and nightmare took his memories. likewise everything corypheus thinks happened in the fade when he entered could be a lie. and like the Inquisitor the real memories could be floating in there. also like the Divine Justinia there could be an alter corypheus with all his personality and memories. good video (n_n)b
I agree that Corypheus is a bit of a boring villain. But its not like he was going to sit down with a cup of tea and tell us everything. Inquisitor: Why are you doing this? Corypheus: Well its a long, long, LONG, story...
I was so excited, when I saw Corypheus in DA:I, and I couldn't wait to find out more of the story of the magisters. I kept yelling at my family about things as they progressed. Then the game was almost entirely about the elves and Solace and everyone kvetching at one another, and we learned almost nothing about the main villain of the entire game. Worse yet, they made him a lame, super easy to beat opponent. After his fantastic fight in DA2 DLC, I was expecting so much more. I had more difficult fighting bears than I did Corypheus. :/ Thank you for such a great video! I really appreciate it.
Corypheus should just train bears to attack the Inquisition. The final battle should have been a bear gauntlet. The dark future in Hushed Whishpers should have ominous bear statues in the walls of Redcliffe. Nobody could beat this.
i know im late but remember that when you play as a mage and youre talking about magic with solas and you choose the option to say you dont mind blood magic solas says something like "blood magic makes it dificult to enter the fade"
Cory truly has an interesting story to tell, and I also hope to see, or at least hear him in the Fade. Or maybe the memory of him, a spirit imitating him. Either way I think it would be a cool idea to be able to speak with him. Imagine seeing him in the Fade, broken and lost.
I agree with you. I loved his first appearance in Dragon Age 2. Like you said, an original magister that caused the Blight! Such a compelling and interesing idea. After his dissapearance from DA 2. I had hoped he would show up in Inquisition and I was delighted to see him return. Like you, I hoped Cory would give us a lot of exposition about the old days of Tevinter and the fade itself. Then he quickly degenerated into a Skeletor style villain who popped up to shout "Nyaaah" and then had his plans foiled repeatedly. I feel like he went full circle during the final battle when he asks Dumat and the other gods for strength. His nihilistic outlook disintegrated when he got frightened and he just sounded like such a toolbag, beseeching the gods he wanted to replace.
Here's my question. Did the spell to go into the golden city take place in kirkwall? My reasoning behind this is the codex entries form da2 about the band of 3 or whatever their name was. The city was pretty much made to make a huge blood sacrifice from the readings. Whatever the point of the city was it was meant to cast a huge spell. Could it be the spell that sent the magisters into the golden city? Idk and sorry I know I'm not great at explaining things.
I hope someone from EA is watching your videos. Your points are elaborated thoroughly, and your expectations are understandable. Let’s pray that Dragon Age 4 makes up for what Inquisition lacked.
Thanks, Jackdaw for your insight. To dig out so many details about Corypheus was great. He is like our ancient history (think Egypt during the construction of the pyramids), in that it is somewhat possible to find out some of the truth about him, and your video is an excellent compilation of what we know. (Also, he is just plain old crazy from being in solitary confinement for over a 1000 years and arrogant as all get out!) But what came before him falls in the category of myth and legend, thanks to the 200 or 300 years of the First Blight that destroyed most written records! That earlier time is when Solas was active and created the Veil thinking to strip the Elven Gods of their control, but destroying Arlathan and the elves themselves because of his actions. Results he didn't even know had occurred until he woke in Dragon 9:40! It is pure speculation on my part, only hints here and there in the game and lore, but once upon a time the Tevinter Imperium was friendly toward the elvenhan, and learned from them. The temple in the Brecilian Forest seems to be Tevinter ……. but elder elves went there for the long sleep of Uthenara …….. but there are statues that seem to honor Andraste …… but there was a terrible battle with some unknown evil that a mage hid from using blood magic and a phylactery ……. spinning in circles here! Were the Old Gods of Tevinter the same as the Elven Gods? Flemeth/Mythal could shape shift into a dragon, Tevinter gods were depicted as dragon ……….. Oh, well, maybe we'll get more answers in DA4? I've love this series since I first found it, and really appreciate your thoughtful videos, but it seems the more we learn, the more questions that come up!
Yo dumat didn't lie, he actually did technically become the closest you can to a god in the world of dragon age. He gained mastery over the blight plus immortality, and the blight is a slow inevitable death that will one day consume the world, all he had to do was wait for the archdemons to die. Cory didn't lie either. The throne was empty, the city was already black, but that's all thanks to Solas, and the blights themselves are thanks to mythal when she killed the first titan.
Corypheus reply to the protagonists I am not afraid, Corypheus says "words often hurled at the darkness. Once they were mine, they are always lies" Amazing writing.
Oh.. My.. GOD!!!! .... I can't believe I didn't think of that .. KaBOOM .. That's was my brain. That would be so awesome... Umm.. I mean yeah hope not. but secretly I hope soXD
@ Iron Clock .. If the Architect knows how to resurrect, like Corepheus, than he's alive no matter the outcome of Awakening. He may know, however, how to inhabit a grey warden like Corypheus did, ( Larius/Janeka ). So, if this is the case, our Hero of Ferelden, could very well be the Architect. Could be, the Architect, that went west, and none is any the wiser.
The main reason I said ' hope not' in my original comment was because my mind failed to think of an actual way for it to be implemented, in a way that wouldn't rile up 80% of the fans. XD But personally, I wouldn't mind if it happened. It could be done in Many ways too. The hero Might even be a willing host, depending on the type of hero you had.
Capo-- Yes, I understand that The Hero of Ferelden is loved, me included. But, correct me if I'm wrong, I think what people really liked is the sculpting, and limited, " Politics" involved with our hero. Keep this in mind, if the politics are for ever present in DA4 than, the HOF, will not be the same. They, ( EA ) will dilute our beloved hero. The outcomes of Awakening are multitasked, but yes, they could be inthralled with one another.XD That's a disturbing taught. When realizing that our hero could very well be, The Architect, I got a bit excited. It just fits so well, it would be a very, " OMG! " moment to find out in DA4. Hero can be remade. My wish is for, EA, to listen to it's fans.. Maybe not all... But, on how to create a hero. It can be done: - I want, a back story, to my protagonist. Give him/her a soul, a virtue, a purpose. It seem only companions have this. - More darkness, or more of a saint. Let me choose my path. - Outcomes matters, Quests matters. P.S. Your comments are really good, someone will always be riled up : )
Maybe you we will see his non tainted form in the fade in DA:TDWR, maybe he'll like tell us how he regrets breaching the black city and gives us hints on Solas' weaknesses.
I agree to some extent , but you're basically saying " I want this guy that literally wants to murder me and a ton of other innocents to give me his life story in detail "
My bet is - Architect is inside the Warden (Hero of Ferelden) but he is kinda taken aback by the return of Urthemiel and remains silent for now, not knowing how to approach the God he fucked up. And about the City - it turned Black when Maker died there, possibly why Old Gods wanted magisters to get there, because they craved to take power of Maker's remains which lied in the City, but those remains became the Taint, as god decomposed, because its hinted that Taint is pure Destruction or Rot, and so opposes Creation. And when Corypheus and Co. entered the City they got tained by it, and then fed their Gods with it. Kinda fits the theme of Dragon Age.
Thank you for this video (just found it yesterday in my "Recommended" ones). I do not think it is "too long", not a slightest bit (and you please don't, ever, either), but for all those deep insightful thoughts ~ your speed of delivering them is waaaay to speedious for my (individual) perception :( (also, English is not my first language). Those insights so deserve to be spoken at a waaay slower pace (like "walking (or even meditative) pace" vs. "sprinting pace"). I will try to find the way to slower the audio of this video, it is that valuable for me. Peace! \/
Ok so I gotta get this out there that, first of all, awesome video and second I love how all your videos are so high quality and you're so passionate about these awesome games. Really, you deserve more subs!! Keep up the good work, love your videos!
So what i gather here is that technically the Mages...or at least the Tevinter Mages...were manipulated by the Old Gods. I love the games but i'll be honest i haven't read much of the Codex entries...i totally intended too i just wanted to finish one full play-through of the trilogy first...and i haven't replayed it as much as some people so i wasn't aware of just how much about the story of the Mages breaking into the Golden City was told. But i gather from this that technically the Old Gods were to blame for the whole thing, i mean Tevinter Mages may be twisted power mad crazy people, but the Old Gods were clearly pulling their strings here, and what baffles me is the Chantry clearly knows this, they all clearly know that the Old Gods got into their heads with false promises and baited them into doing what they did, yet they still blame ALL Mages for what happened. Like they condemn a whole faction of people based on the actions of a few Power Hungry Nut Jobs who has the strings of their ego's pulled by actual Gods. Even though i always play as a Mage i always try to find Middle-Ground with Templars and Mages as much as i can but because of the way the Chantry has treated both factions there's just no way of truly resolving the centuries of Bad-Blood. I mean i get the story reasoning behind the Chantry's actions but they basically created a prejudice out of fear, part of me always wonders how different Thedas would have been if perhaps they didn't imprison the Mages, i mean still have the phylactery thing in place but let them live at home maybe build a boarding school type thing or something so they can learn to control their powers and the Templars acted only as Police arresting them to a Circle of Magi only when they actually did something wrong. I feel like that would've been a good way to build bridges and prevented the whole Mage Vs. Templar War. Also i'm sure someone says in one of the games that the Grey Wardens know the locations of all the Old-Gods, if that's the case why don't they just go in and Slay them all, if there's no Old Gods then they can't speak to anyone and wouldn't that mean there would be no more Blights??? This is honestly why i love Dragon Age though, literally everything is a grey area, nothing is what it seems...kind of reminds me of Legacy of Kain in that regard...every choice you make has you questioning everything, it gets you thinking how different the in-game world could be if certain characters or factions simply talked or actions were taken to treat everyone fairly etc. etc.
The Chantry does not blame mages. It blames the misusage of magic, particularly blood magic ( which is totally forbidden). Magic was meant to serve, not rule. The Chantry also protects mages. Land owners probably have to pay taxes to the chantry for keeping the circle going. In return the chantry send their Templars to protect the land of demons and apostates. it's not perfect by any account, but Orlais and most of southern Thedas have strived, and resisted Tevinter suppressions by following the Chant of Light ( Andraste's words ). However, this is the logic, but rarely the practice. Dragon age is about your own views, are you a libertarian? If so, remember that noting is free.
matt richard Templars are redundant and have far too much power. They lost all their credibility and cant act as viable protector s against the demons and meleficarum anymore, it is clear.
Disband the Order - they will die out without Lirium anyway. Create new structure, under a harsh supervision of some sort of a Cocuncil made of mages, clergy and "warrior caste" and whatever they have. Put them under a set of laws and regulations and makes SURE that Seekers work this time around, cause Seekers (if you even heard of them) suppose to regulate Templars, oversee their operatuions, but they do nothing , literally allowing Templars to rape and murder as they please. Solution to magick problem is FAR away from Chantry and Templars, they torture and unjustly imprison mages, turning Circles to "mild" concentration camps till mages break inside - and then demons have open doors by simple promise of revenge or glimpse of freedom. So making rules both more liberal AND harsh will work. You have more freedoms, but you pay dearly for fuckups, that sort of thinking.
I think Corypheus was a great villain, yes could've been better but still great! He explained it well he was betrayed, nothing in the Black City, he believed himself so much higher then anyone else and doesn't care about anyone now, Dumant made him a promise and he wanted what was due, he didn't have to explain his reasoning. At least that what I always thought.
Maybe you wanting more information from Corypheus isn't the problem, maybe its that he doesn't know the truth at all, or he is incapable of learning the truth
@@JackdawYT Love your content man, it has been a long ride, I know Bioware has gone through a lot of change over Dreadwolf's development I just hope they pull out a W at the end.
Firstly, I apologise for posting this here but you guys seem to be the only ones still talking about Dragon Age Inquisition. So, I like to rp my knight enchanter as a Trevelyan who's sole wish in life was to become a Templar. His magic didn't surface until late, 21. He joined the the order at 14 and began his training. At 21 he was ready to take on the title of "Knight-Recruit" but his magic surfaced and his dreams were crushed. Basically, a Templar with a mages power.
I disagree with all the hate for blighted Cory. Sure, he did not have the lengthy monologues with the protagonist to develop his character, and it probably would have been better narratively if they had done that. But it makes sense why they didnt do that, for many reasons. First, as others have said, he wasnt the true antagonist. He was just being played by Solas; as an intermediate villain, he did not require additional development beyond what was already provided in DA2. Second, and more importantly from a narrative perspective, Cory didnt owe the protagonist an explanation. The PC was nothing more than a fly in his ointment; why should he take the time to explain himself to an annoyance? Cory spent eons developing his plans, only to have them felled by a stroke of bad luck and the interference from a virtual infant? He has no interest in converting or persuading the PC; he just wants the PC out of his way, so why waste words on someone he believes is beneath him? His lack of exposition is perfectly in line with his perspective. Third, he may not have a morally complex motivation to convey in the first place. Initially, he was an idealist who, although power hungry, wanted the power to serve his God and his people. When he arrived in the golden city, the entire foundation for his beliefs was shattered. When idealists have their worldview crushed, they often become bitter, hurt, and jaded. In this case, Cory lost his original motivation for his actions when he learned that his God had lied to him. I think his residual motives of creating the world that he had always envisioned through his own power is plenty sufficient of a motivation for this story.
I did actually like Corypheus as a villain, although he doesn't rate as one of my favorites. My favorite antagonists have so far always been Isair and Madae from Icewind Dale 2, because to this day I would rather work for them than the Ten Towns. You didn't get a whole monologue of their motivations, but it was revealed if you read the conversations you have with Arundel, Sherincal, and Egenia's ghost; it's actually a rather sad story and I truly supported their goal: to have a kingdom/nation (it's unclear, a place) where half-breeds could go and be accepted. They didn't even start out wanting to conquer the whole north, but since the mayor of Bryn Shander was apparently an idiot, they turned from setting up trade relations with the Ten Towns to conquering them.
Nevena Cakic ... He still needs an Orb. I believe the Orb could have been made with blood magic. Because why not everything else is. There is a picturestory About Andraste. In one of these painting Archon Hessarian is piercing Andraste, with lots of blood gushing out. Standing next to Hessarian is a shady bald man. This man looks to be waiting for something. In the next painting the bald man is running away with an Orb. So I just made lots of implication : .. Hessarian did not show mercy, he just needed Andraste's blood. .. The bald man is Solas. .. The Orb was made with Andraste's blood. Assumption? probably
@Drep Wayne, not sure if I would believe the Dread Wolf, but fair enough. A shady character, however, did flee with an Orb after Andraste death. As to whom ?
Dorian mentions seeing several paintings of ancient men, possibly the Dreamers from the time before the magisters, carrying orbs like the one Corypheus uses; according to him, they're called "Somnaborium", and presumably are the foci used by the elvhen. It's hard to comment on the picture you refer to without having seen it, but I have seen images of Andraste flanked by sinister-looking, bald magisters, so that could be what you mean.
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/File:Life_of_andraste_4_WoT.jpg dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/File:Life_of_andraste_3_WoT.jpg These are the pics I meant, the one in yellow, and these are probably the magisters you are referring too. So, I submit, you are correct they do look like the magisters you are referring too, but one is still running away with an Orb, or what looks like.
I think the fact that he said nothing at all is what made him and the game so great. He told us exactly what we needed to know at the time and left the rest to pure speculation and imagination based off what we do know. I think that’s what builds so much into the next game and story. Less is more & that’s more than true when it comes to this. Leave us with questions, I don’t mind, just as long as they lead to something that pays off.
So you're telling me that Corypheus is the epitome of the Sigma Grind? Finds out all gods are lies so he goes on a path to turn himself into a god so that he can provide real godly aid to those who need it. Turn that mindset into a Grindset
"Did Stolas need blood magic to rip open the Veil?" Both yes and no. To create a veil Stolas for sure used "Lyrium heart", the thing made out of heart of the Titan. Lyrium many times showed properties of blood, so any magic involving it might be much closer to blood magic then people realise. Blood magic specific spells are only specific because they affect people through their blood, so if titans were alive, lyrium based magic probably would have similar effects on them.
I love love looove your vids. How you are digging into the deph of the DA Lore and presenting it to us. Just awesome! If I could subscripe again, I would. ^^
The problem here to me is: If the puny Magisters can shape shift, transfer their essence to a *Gray Warden* and *posess* them. Then we have a problem with the arch demons, cause they are either waaaay weaker than the magisters and in this case, just pets for the Ancient gods or they are all atill trapped there but the Arch demons are just a temporary foothold that they have in Thedas... But either way i see it, everyone in Thedas seems to have a big, big, biiig ass problem and Solas most likely wants to do something about it before it all goes to shit.
it's sad that your inquisitor won't carry over as a playable character, because i feel like the developers let the Makers chosen slip threw there fingers. for example the well, what if instead of you being bound, what if it was the Makers intention for you to drink that water, it would've been much better than Morrigans mother being revealed.
When Hawke encountered Corypheus, his voice was different than when the Inquisitor encounters him. Oddly enough, it seems to be the same actor. Why does he sound so different? Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age 2 are both backwards compatible on Xbox One (so are Jade Empire, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic & the Mass Effect Trilogy). Shame PS4 doesn’t allow backwards compatibility, but EA’s new head isn’t against remasters. Now that’s not a guarantee we’ll get Bioware remasters, but it’s a start in the right direction.
I honestly think the DLC which first introduced Corypheus was better than the fight in DAI because he was extremely easy to defeat in Inquisition. It took me like 10 tries to "kill" him in the DLC in the older game. As for the lore I don't think he has lied about anything and it matches up well with Solas's explanation at the true end of Inquisition. Solas in theory is an old god or from what he says the Elven pantheon are the old gods. It makes complete sense that "the throne of the old gods is empty" because Solas locked the Elven gods away except for Mythal whom he then kills or sacrifices to break the veil in DA4. This still leaves room for DA4 to finish the story and fill in the final history of Theadas. I believe these magisters of Tavinter were communicating with some of the gods that Solas locked away behind the veil and truly that either there is NO MAKER or that said maker had something to do with the blight. If there is a maker in dragon age lore one must assume that said maker created all that there is. The Elves and their fantastic power in their original form, humans, animals, dragons, darkspawn etc. Assuming the maker was intelligent and neither benevolent nor malevolent they would have done so in a somewhat balanced manner. Meaning all of their creations would have a chance to live and die as well as a free will for their normal life span depending on many factors. What I want to know in DA4 is did the magisters fail to locate the Elven pantheon because Solas had them scattered behind the veil? We know he "locked them away" supposedly never to return and that these beings were immensely powerful therefore I don't think he would create the veil and then just send them all to their room aka the Golden city together where they could interact and plot an escape. He must have locked them behind magical portals in different parts of the fade doomed to wonder trying to find a way out or each other and I'd bet money that instead of finding one another they each chose to commune with the magisters in tavinter. They likely figured if we convince these magisters to pool their power and resources they can eventually tear the veil created by the dread wolf and provide a method of escape for us. The promise of power was just a thinly veiled lie to get them to do the elven god's will. I believe this plan backfired on the Elven gods as they were either unable to leave through this tear or when they do leave they manifest as evil beings nothing like their original form. I don't necessarily believe that the Elven Gods are arch demons especially since there have been so many blights. Being that a warden has answered the call to slay them each subsequent blight if the elven gods were manifesting as arch demons they would all eventually be destroyed by wardens, and Solas wouldn't be trying to destroy the veil to bring them all back to theadas in their original splendor. I think what we will be told is that the elves in their greed created the darkness which turned the golden city black. They each wanted to be in charge and rule but instead of ruling together in peace and sharing their gifts they fought constantly which is part of the reason Solas created the veil in the first place to prevent the elves from destroying themselves. I hope in DA4 this is confirmed and we find out where the elven gods went, if Andraste's story is at all true, if there is a maker, and if the elven gods and man can coexist. Must we kill the elven gods, and the few magisters left to prevent theadas from being destroyed? Is there another way like a divine intervention from the maker? Or perhaps by removing the veil the "taint" will dissipate and balance will be restored allowing man, elves, and creatures once thought to be corrupted to live in peace? Maybe the darkspawn and arch demons only appear corrupted in theadas because part of them is lost in the veil? I believe DA4 will be the last game in the series and I truly hope they tie up the loose ends in regards to the lore as best they can. It is one of my favorite games of all time but they better not mess it up like they did with DA2. I prefer origin's game play but realize that is hard to get through on consoles and DA2/3 mixing real time and strategy works but the camera angles were not great. If they can improve the game play mechanics a bit more and provide a good story I will be very happy. Also I NEED MORRIGAN TO BE A PLAYABLE CHARACTER. The daughter of Mythal MUST have a role in this...like how can she not!?
I thought Corypheus was a good villian. Maybe because, I didnt know about him. But the more I learned, about him, the more I understand his motivations in inquisition. Dude thought there was a heaven and a god. Reached heaven through unspeakable means only to see it black with no god. Then the whole world fell to ruin including the tevinter empire. When he returned centuries later, he found the world turned upside down and people still crying out to gods with no answers. It was then that he knew what needed to be done. He needed to usurp the empty throne become the god his people needed and restore the Tevinter empire to its former glory. Like I said, I didnt know much by that point, but his whole monologue in haven had me intrigued. He was literally the focal point that started these games. And I only realized how grand of a gesture his appearance was after a second playthrough.
When you say you wanted Corypheus to have explained certain lore things you fail to address the question of "why would he?". Why would Corypheus bother telling the Inquisitor anything. They are his enemy, and an enemy that he feels is beneath him. Why would we waste his time answering their questions or explaining anything to them. That would be silly and ridiculous behavior out of the villain. It would have been nice if we could have found the information through other means, but it would be crazy to have expected Corypheus to be the source of that information. He started with the arrogance of a Tevinter mage and high priest, and that has only become worse with his change and corruption. His behavior fit what he was very well. To make him the way you wanted would have undermined those aspects of his personality and made the portrayal of him seem false (as if he only existed to be an exposition machine instead of a villain).
That's the thing though, this is a fictional story. The writers have the freedom to do whatever they want within the bounds of the story they want to tell. If Corypheus is the type of character who wouldn't divulge lore to the player (obviously) then the writers should find another way for us to find things out. Environmental design, hidden history, magic, anything could work. Dragon Age is a series notorious for putting most of its lore in optional content anyway so why would they not do the same for the main villain of the game? In fact, they could even add an element of beating him more easily if you'd learned things about him first (as opposed to him just being idle for the entire game)
I don't think he was underwhelming at all. He tore the bloody sky asunder and was thwarted by the chosen, that's epic! No, they did him justice in my opinion.
I dont know that we can 100% trust corypheus' recollection cause remember he spent like a thousand years in isolstion so id assume his recollection has been damaged but i also dont think we can completely trust the chant also
Ok but what if Cory was actually trying to save us cuz he saw what Solas really was and stole the orb but ended up getting corrupted because of the curse Solas put on it if it were to be Stolen?????????
> Is a slave owner. > Sacrifices a legion of slaves and uses their blood to break the world, in an attempt to become a god. > The moment he's free, he tries yet again to become a god and bring back a decadent empire that only ever functioned at the expense of elven slaves, or humans who were too poor to be anything but slaves. >> *"Morally gray"* Yeah, alright.
The elves owned slaves. And his conrtymenn still own slaves. Our founding fathers owned slaves I'm not saying it's night but in a time or world where it allowed its not so cut and dry. You cant say to Dorian your evil cause you're family which you're gonna be head of soonish owns slaves.
So you're just choosing to ignore the macro-scale blood sacrifice, the fact that he *still* sees elves as inferior beings, and the fact that he wants to break the world yet again to bring back the (possibly second) most corrupt empire in the history of Thedas, and rule over it as a tyrannical god-king? Alright, so be it. Of course Dorian can be criticized for keeping slaves, particularly when he's in a position of power that would allow him to make a change. His stance on slavery, much as _your_ founding fathers', doesn't erase all the good he's done, but it isn't the kind of flaw that you just ignore and wave away with a "woopsie, shit happens". Jefferson acknowledged that slavery was antithetical to the Revolution, but he just shrugged and went on "having an affair" with his servant (as much as you can call it an "affair" when one party can't refuse to take part). Whatever else he may have been, this also made him a hypocrite.
Oh solas will absolutely have to use blood magic to pierce the veil. He’s already done it, he even says blood magic isn’t inherently evil, it’s the intentions of those who use it that makes it such. Already justifying its use in his own mind. I believe it’s no coincidence Solas was working with Corypheus in the beginning of the game. I bet he worked with him and all the other priests of the old gods. He just has his own reasons to cross into the fade. To trap his kin inside of it. I personally believe that’s what caused the golden city to be corrupted. Not the magisters, but the elven gods. I mean yes the magisters were to share the blame, but it wasn’t their presence alone on the golden city that corrupted it.
Hey Jackdaw! Do more lore, if u can't find gameplay to go with what you're talking about; just use fan art. Really though, I would enjoy a lore series about everything Dragon age!
They could have made the inquisitor read a book or something and have us play as one of the wardens who saw/slain dumat etc... I hate villains who appear ingame as" I'm evil just cause", and act like children with zero logic and respect(the world will burn because I didn't get a lollipop when I was a kid) and when you read their lore they appear the opposite. Corephius is identical to the Kett boss I don't even remember how he looks or his name
Corypheus' speech when he meets the Inquisitor was perfect, in my opinion. "Beg that I succeed. For I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty." It was almost as creepy as Hespith's chant in the first game.
Nico Bones gave me all the explanation for his motivations I needed. We know WHO he is without knowing him specifically. He’s a jaded believer who now wants his power for himself. In some ways he IS like Solas but now in how Jackdaw presents it. Both are out of time, want to tear down the Veil, and return the world to their own idealized past. L
The scene of him coming out of the fire is one of my favorites
@@NinjaFlibble exactly, but people are like nah lazy villian, boring...
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I'll bet most of those same people can't come up with a better villain 🙄
Just started playing again and that line gave me goosebumps
During the attack on Haven, Corypheus sound like an interresting villain: kind of a Nietzschean guy trying to replace a god with his sheer will. And... it gets boring afterwards. He sits and doesn't attack again, the Inquisitor twarts everything, etc. A cooler villain arc would have made the game more thrilling
Prince Kalender agreed. He needed to have some victories. Constantly thwarting him at every turn was...boring. Should have been more like ME3.
the entire game towards the latter half i kept waiting for corypheus' army to test the defenses of skyhold. alas i was dissapointed
Abosulutely. I Keep a save of the attack on heaven just to replay every now and then. The first time I finished the game I thought Corypheus was going to assault Skyhold I was dissapointed. You know kindda like kill the herald to prove there is no Maker and to prevent the inquisition to fck up future plans.
So, Josh Groban then.
He went from having nothing and being despised darkspawn to being one step from conquering the world. Still impressive.
I don't think Corypheus is the true villain of DAI, which is why he was portrayed as a moustache-twirling madman. It's Solas. The true bad guy, right under our noses and initially an ally. Oh Solas! Why you break my heart?!
Much like Anders was the true villain of Dragon Age 2. That does seem to be the trend.
Kirkwall always felt like the ultimate representation of everything that was wrong in the world of Thedas. All the corruption, not just in magic but in politics, social ideas, etc. Hawke does their best to make things better and keep the peace, but they can never truly win in a city like that. There is a sub-plot/side mission that does explain why the city is so messed up (blood magic and daemons), but I think Kirkwall would still be messed up without that. It's a city founded upon slavery for a start!
Wasnt there a companion in DAI who said that " what if the enemy was one of our friends, that would make a good villain"?
I think it's good that Corypheus didn't unload all of the potential juicy lore because I suspect, due to the cyclical nature of many fantasy tales, the series will inevitably end in the Black/Golden city. That part of the tale will clearly be central to a future game, perhaps even the next one? It is set in Tevinter after all!
Corypheus' ambition was to revive Tevinter and rule Thedas by using the Fade as a weapon, showing that he is a zealot who no longer cares about dwelling on the intricacies of the Black/Golden City. His arrogance derived from the very fact he had found the Black City, had seen the bitter reality that there is no Maker and witnessed a 'truth' few could ever understand. Therefore I believe that his reaction is entirely realistic given the pure disdain he has for people who he feels should be punished and forced to accept his reality.
Perhaps when we meet him in the fade somewhere down the line he will be less pompous and more willing to debate and question what he saw? That's what I think we'll see in a future game.
he didn't break mine, cause i refused to romance him lol. i didn't trust him from the start, now we didn't know he was behind all this, but the moment he grabs your characters arm i knew something was off about him.
My theory: it isn't the old gods calling to darkspawn, or that whispered to the magisters. It's the elven gods who are locked in the black city, which used to be Arlathan. They created the blight and tricked the magisters into breaking in and getting infected. So then they can manipulate tainted creatures into Awakening the old gods as they are the seals that lock the elven gods in the black city
But if it was always the elven gods whispering to the magisters, then they were the ones who helped Tevinter destroy Arlathan. Why would the Evanuris destroy the remains of their own empire? Why wouldn't they whisper to the Arlathan elves instead (judging by how the Dalish still keep the Evanuris' slave marks, the survivors of old Elvhenan were faithful to the gods, and not Solas' rebels)?
@@RevanSurik I have a small theory on that, I simply believe they wanted to tear down what solas wanted to protect from them. Yes it was initially all of their empire in unison but when he rebelled I feel like they would rather destroy what he stood to protect rather than keep the whole and in that wild theory perhaps they could rebuild what they destroyed I'm not even sure. But you do have a point my good sir why would they let tevinter destroy the smallest potential of their rebuilt empire
So it wasn't the old gods that whispered to the magistrates it was the elven gods. But what are old gods exactly then and why the blight is searching for them ? Was the point of the elven gods to make the people of thades kill the old God's in self defense?
That's a big risk and could have ended all life.
@@nicbahtin4774 if we've learned anything from Inquisition it's that dragons and the elven gods were closely tied to together. Flemeth/Mythal herself is able to transform into a dragon and she passes that ability on to Morrigan if she drinks from the well or she loans the Inquisitior a dragon instead. Since there were 7 old gods and 7 elven gods it's possible that the old gods are extensions of the Evanuris themselves and they were in fact the keys that Solas used in order to banish the Evanuris in the first place. This might explain why Flemeth and Solas were so interested in preserving the soul of Urthermial with the dark ritual and part of why Solas all of a sudden wants to tear open the Veil because the Evanuris are already on their way to escaping. 🤔
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i also think the evanuris didn't lie to the magisters when they whispered to them about the promise of immortality after all the blight did turn them immortal.
i guess we will know for sure in the next game
Okay but that fanart of pre-tainted Corypheus is pretty cute
I don't mind my villains being a bit 2D sometimes. "No, Mr Trevelyan, I expect you to die," is refreshingly honest and to the point, and I'm happy for villains with certain motivations not to feel any need to share them with the protagonist. It goes without saying that any villain thinks he or she is the good guy and that the protagonist is the baddie, so they need a damn good reason to fill their enemy in on their background and future plans. Saren in Mass Effect is one of those who had a good reason - he really didn't want to be opposed to Shepard and wanted to persuade Shepard to join him if possible. Same with Darth Vader and Luke. Luke gets the If-You-Only-Knew-The-Power treatment while other people opposing Vader get Force choked to death or cut in half because there's no logical reason for him to care about them the way he does about Luke's fate.
From Corypheus' perspective the Inquisitor is not a Luke Skywalker or Commander Shepard character but a Screw-You-Why-Can't-You-Just-Die character. Boastful big noting monologues are fine because Corypheus is a vainglorious kind of tool, but there's really little reason for him to give the Inquisitor (and therefore us) much in the way of exposition. What would've been really interesting is if the writers had put in an option for an Inquisitor who was from Tevinter, or who had recent Tevinter ancestry that optionally they weren't aware of but Corypheus was for whatever reason. Corypheus could conceivably react very differently to that Inquisitor (Dorian too, but that's incidental), recognising the military power the Inquisition has built up and appealing to the Inquisitor to switch sides and help restore Tevinter's lost glory etc etc. This is basically what we got with Solas only having certain lines of expository dialogue only if the Inquisitor is a female elf who has a romantic relationship with him, but could have been played more strongly between Corypheus and an Inquisitor with a personal connection to Tevinter.
Fun fact: I'm on a playthrough where I head canon my character is from Tevinter (it's a bit complicated how she is, socially, on the same level as Dorian...ask and I'll tell that story XD)
I kinda felt like Corepheus was the right villain for inquisition. I think my bae Leliana explained it best when she said he was " a Darkspawn and Magestier, the ultimate evil" or something like that. It's not about what he was it's more about what he represented that made him the perfect antagonist for the socalled "Herald of Androste".
That's the point of making him the villain I think, but where the writing fumbles is that Corepheus is off screen during majority of the game's run time. This off hand villainy didn't give him enough opportunities to be fleshed out as the other side of the coin of the Inquisitor.
I think he was a fantastic villain when I seen him walking through that fire gave me goosebumps
In my opinion the main problem wasn't even the lack of screen time he had. It's just that he didn't oppose any action you did. I was almost 100% certain that you would have to defend an attack on Skyhold. And that you would at least have lost a few battles as he outwits you. But no... In Dragon Age inquisition he always arrives too late - He always miscalculates and underestimates every single encounter. When that happens multiple times, then your fear vanishes..
I mean its pretty fittong tbh. The last three games have set up the universe for Solas to be the big bad. Although im sure his plan is infallible and his logic is maddeningly impenetrable.
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I think if Corypheus sat down and told you his whole life story, or why he thinks the way he does would go against his entire character. I think it is better to leave him mysterious, than for him to be like "Oh by the way, here is why the blight is the way it is". It's kinda of like Mass Effect with the reapers, where they are mysterious for mostly 3 games. This is a series with an overarching picture in mind, so they are not gonna tell you everything when they still have a plan for the series. Expecting to know who or what Corypheus and his experience really is when there is still 2 games to go possibly is a misunderstanding of how to tell a big picture story
Corypheus has been betrayed by everything he has believed and now has cast is aside everything to relay on himself and his own agency. He was originally motivated by power which is why he tried to enter the golden city at the cost of the lives of hundreds of slaves. He is not morally grey, he show contempt for the lives of others in all his actions which is also why he doesn't bother explain himself. He still is the conductor and you are but a discordant note.
But the truth is Corypheus actually knows very little as he was played by the Old Ones and a failed scheme. DAI isn't about Corypheus he is a red herring. Corypheus was defeated at Haven, that was his strongest point at the game and his losses there he never recovers from as the the Inquisition harry him. He always was just a prelude to introduce us to Solas the mastermind behind much of history.
When Corephyus says they entered the golden city and found the throne empty. I wonder since humans came later after the fall of the Elves. Could the Maker have been a elf God that was banished when Solas created the veil?
My headcannon is that the "black city," is Arlathan. It was a sort of ground zero, the reason you can always see it is because it's the only tangible thing.
You forget these are the same writers made an arc about warden seeking to end the calling all the while ignoring Fiona, who is no longer a warden, who is smack dab in the middle of inquisition.
Dominique Jacques - Fiona has no idea how she was cured. The Grey Wardens ran every kind of test on Fiona to learn how and interrogated her. They even tried to re-infect Fiona with the Taint! That last part is pretty horrid.
I think it was her pregnancy with Alistair that cured Fiona, because of King Maric and fetus Alistair carrying Great Dragon blood in their veins. I believe Alistair later was able to be tainted because his blood had already cured his mother, and left him with less Great Dragon blood power to protect him. [Just my guess.]
Dominique Jacques. It wasnt ignored, Morrigan or Alistair mention the deed if you ask them about the Warden's mission to end the calling.
Tina Swafford. If I remember correctly, by the time Fiona gets pregnant of Alistair she is no longer a warden.
@David Kings - The Calling page 438 - "It had been many months since Fiona and Duncan had left. They had been recalled to Weisshaupt Fortress ... the Grey Wardens ... Maric had been reluctant to see Fiona go... He thought then that it might be the last time he ever saw her. With the state of her corruption, it seemed almost Certain that the Grey Wardens would send her on her Calling... The fact that Duncan had sent word that Fiona was returning with him had been surprising... '
*page 439 'Then she turned and put a hand on Duncan's shoulder. "Could you,...?" He nodded as if this was expected, and with a brief bow to Maric he turned and walked out of the chamber. So that left him and Fiona alone... The sunburn had left her with freckles, he noticed, but he didn't see any sign of the taint on her neck or her hands. Had it not spread? ...'
*page 440 He grinned at her. "But I'd rather hear about you. The taint... when you left, you said ..."
"It's gone," she said flatly. "The mages at Weisshaupt weren't sure if it was because the First Enchanter's brooch sped things up artificially, or ...at any rate, all the corruption vanished. They don't think it's going to come back, either. There was test after test, but they think I may be the first Grey Warden that never has to endure the Calling again." ... "They're keeping the brooches in case they can figure out how they worked,"...
*page 441 "I'm being recalled to Weisshaupt. For good." ... "Maric, I have something to tell you." ... "Duncan, you can come back in." ... As he drew closer, Maric realized that what he was carrying wasn't a package. It was an infant. ... "Congratulations, Your Majesty," Duncan said with a grin. "It's a boy." He carefully handed the child to Maric, who took it numbly. ... The boy even looked a bit like Cailan.'
... I know you said Conductor of Silence, but I kept hearing "Conductor of Salads" and laughing my head off. (Seriously tho, very nice lore video, hope you do more!)
Hahaha!! Yes, Corypheus makes the best-mixed leaf and teal salad XD Hahaha, thank you for watchin'! :D
Cool video I enjoyed it. I would also like to say that at the end it also sounded like you saw said "But anyway, guys, I have been jacked off"
I thought it was just me. I had to turn on the CC to confirm. :P
Lol I'm not the only one, then? I thought he was saying stuff wrong to mess with us.
Sounds like the perfect job title for somebody in charge of a salad bar 😆
I don't get why people see him as a weak villain, I personnally loved him. Yes he did already appear in DA2 in a DLC but that was to introduce him just like they introduced Solas as a new villain in Trespasser but that doesn't mean he is a bad villain. For me DA Inquisition was the first DA game and I though the villain was perfect: Mysterious, powerful and intriguining. I could not stop wondering whether what he said was true and what he had seen.
Timo Lange I know! He doesn’t need to narrate his motivations, that’s weird. We get it in the Lore.
Solas is more likely to be an antagonist villian has too strong a conotation.
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Truth be told, "antagonist" and "villain" are two very different words. "Antagonist" simply is the person in opposition to the protagonist, they could be good or evil (see: Pretty much any story that questions the nature of evil like Wicked or Dr. Horrible). A villain is someone who is evil whether they are the protagonist or not.
So... uh... how disappointed were you this year when you found out Solas is pretty much the responsible of everything? The Blight, the Black City, The Veil, pretty much everything that formed Thedas.
I don’t think Coryphyus really had the ability to talk about those things except in passing. My impression from him was that he was driven mad. With pride, fear, and who knows what else. He pretty much led a journey into a realm not meant for him and the results speak for themselves. I understand the disappointment of not getting to learn much from him, but I don’t think that’s really what he was meant for.
Not gonna lie, when Inquisition first came out I was disappointed with Corypheus as the primary villain. It felt lazy and unoriginal. Now, revisiting the game for the first time 6-7yrs later I'm really enjoying the story. I just finished "In Your Heart Shall Burn" and Corypheus's entrance and speech was much more unsettling than what I remember. I'm also paying a lot more attention to the lore and things that certain characters hint at early on, (looking at you Solas) and I'm really kind of impressed with the depth of the lore and characters.
emmm not to be that kind of person but Corypheus looks so fine in the thumbnail...
Amen! He really be looking fine!!
Thanks to you Jackdaw I will be a walking encyclopedia when the next Dragon Age comes out. If you were my teacher back in the day I would have paid alot more attention in school lol
Hahhaa! awww! You're tooo sweet!!!! :D D
Corypheus wasn’t really the villain, he was the catalyst of everything that was wrong in DAI, the villain of DAI was the desecration of society’s structures of Religion, Rule, and Politics. Those took the forefront of the typical Villain character as is, that’s what we mostly dealt with in the main storylines. We only seen Corpyheus 2-3 times within the game itself and we only stopped his generals, and lieutenants in side quest and subzones
I kinda liked how they made Corypheus.
One thing I wish they'd played upon a bit more was that in Legacy, Corypheus had no idea what/who he was. He couldn't remember! And in Awakening, neither could the Architect. It would have been great to have seen some evidence of that, perhaps racing to uncover parts of his own life at the same time as the Inquisition. And honestly it would have been incredible to have seen the Architect again as a potential ally (Corypheus 'jumps' to a new body when he dies, so why couldn't he?). The Architect attempting to neutralise the Blight could have given us some hope that the world as it is IS redeemable, without Solas doing his hard reset. A nice bit of hope for DA4. There's so much foundational lore surrounding those original Magisters who entered the Black City, but we (potentially) kill two of them without getting any answers, or being any the wiser about what actually occurred back then. DAI would have been the perfect time for a clue.
'Bow to the will that is Corypheus' - no thanks fam, I'll tak a raincheck
he grosssssss, he got germz!
Then again though, those tights, high heels, and damn, he strong too, bro can lift dwarves and qunari!
i mean clearly they just didn't want to reveal the truth of the world in one go they had him hit at things
it's one of the things i like about dragon age
he is boring though
you do have a great point in the video which you didn't expand on it.
-the memories of corypheus in the fade. remember what happened to the Inquisitor? he entered the fade and nightmare took his memories.
likewise everything corypheus thinks happened in the fade when he entered could be a lie. and like the Inquisitor the real memories could be floating in there. also like the Divine Justinia there could be an alter corypheus with all his personality and memories.
good video (n_n)b
Corypheus should come back and turn to a person
"Exalt the Elder one, the will that is Corypheus" But first let me tell you that i'm te first magister and also how the blight started.
I agree that Corypheus is a bit of a boring villain. But its not like he was going to sit down with a cup of tea and tell us everything.
Inquisitor: Why are you doing this?
Corypheus: Well its a long, long, LONG, story...
I was so excited, when I saw Corypheus in DA:I, and I couldn't wait to find out more of the story of the magisters. I kept yelling at my family about things as they progressed. Then the game was almost entirely about the elves and Solace and everyone kvetching at one another, and we learned almost nothing about the main villain of the entire game. Worse yet, they made him a lame, super easy to beat opponent. After his fantastic fight in DA2 DLC, I was expecting so much more. I had more difficult fighting bears than I did Corypheus. :/
Thank you for such a great video! I really appreciate it.
Dude bears in inquisition
are beast😂😂😂
Especially when you get 2-3 on you, and even if you go to camp, they just wait for you to come out!
Corypheus should just train bears to attack the Inquisition. The final battle should have been a bear gauntlet. The dark future in Hushed Whishpers should have ominous bear statues in the walls of Redcliffe. Nobody could beat this.
i know im late but remember that when you play as a mage and youre talking about magic with solas and you choose the option to say you dont mind blood magic solas says something like "blood magic makes it dificult to enter the fade"
Cory truly has an interesting story to tell, and I also hope to see, or at least hear him in the Fade. Or maybe the memory of him, a spirit imitating him. Either way I think it would be a cool idea to be able to speak with him. Imagine seeing him in the Fade, broken and lost.
I disagree, some ppl, in this case an old school tevinter mage, are just evil.
Some folks are just goddamn evil.
I agree with you. I loved his first appearance in Dragon Age 2. Like you said, an original magister that caused the Blight! Such a compelling and interesing idea. After his dissapearance from DA 2. I had hoped he would show up in Inquisition and I was delighted to see him return.
Like you, I hoped Cory would give us a lot of exposition about the old days of Tevinter and the fade itself. Then he quickly degenerated into a Skeletor style villain who popped up to shout "Nyaaah" and then had his plans foiled repeatedly.
I feel like he went full circle during the final battle when he asks Dumat and the other gods for strength. His nihilistic outlook disintegrated when he got frightened and he just sounded like such a toolbag, beseeching the gods he wanted to replace.
A villain doesn't have to explain himself. I find it more mustache twirling to stop and monologue about why they do things.
Here's my question. Did the spell to go into the golden city take place in kirkwall? My reasoning behind this is the codex entries form da2 about the band of 3 or whatever their name was. The city was pretty much made to make a huge blood sacrifice from the readings. Whatever the point of the city was it was meant to cast a huge spell. Could it be the spell that sent the magisters into the golden city? Idk and sorry I know I'm not great at explaining things.
I think of Corypheus as poor disillusioned religious man used by Solas. A poor man too far gone to be saved.
That's a good take to have!
I hope someone from EA is watching your videos. Your points are elaborated thoroughly, and your expectations are understandable. Let’s pray that Dragon Age 4 makes up for what Inquisition lacked.
Aw thank you so much for your kind words, really means a lot to me!
Corypheus, the Conductor of the Salad Choir
“The disappointment that is Corypheus.”
Ouch
I feel like tresspasser made corypheus a much better villain because it shows that he was just a mistake made by Solas and his underestimation
Thanks, Jackdaw for your insight. To dig out so many details about Corypheus was great. He is like our ancient history (think Egypt during the construction of the pyramids), in that it is somewhat possible to find out some of the truth about him, and your video is an excellent compilation of what we know. (Also, he is just plain old crazy from being in solitary confinement for over a 1000 years and arrogant as all get out!) But what came before him falls in the category of myth and legend, thanks to the 200 or 300 years of the First Blight that destroyed most written records! That earlier time is when Solas was active and created the Veil thinking to strip the Elven Gods of their control, but destroying Arlathan and the elves themselves because of his actions. Results he didn't even know had occurred until he woke in Dragon 9:40! It is pure speculation on my part, only hints here and there in the game and lore, but once upon a time the Tevinter Imperium was friendly toward the elvenhan, and learned from them. The temple in the Brecilian Forest seems to be Tevinter ……. but elder elves went there for the long sleep of Uthenara …….. but there are statues that seem to honor Andraste …… but there was a terrible battle with some unknown evil that a mage hid from using blood magic and a phylactery ……. spinning in circles here! Were the Old Gods of Tevinter the same as the Elven Gods? Flemeth/Mythal could shape shift into a dragon, Tevinter gods were depicted as dragon ……….. Oh, well, maybe we'll get more answers in DA4? I've love this series since I first found it, and really appreciate your thoughtful videos, but it seems the more we learn, the more questions that come up!
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Yo dumat didn't lie, he actually did technically become the closest you can to a god in the world of dragon age. He gained mastery over the blight plus immortality, and the blight is a slow inevitable death that will one day consume the world, all he had to do was wait for the archdemons to die. Cory didn't lie either. The throne was empty, the city was already black, but that's all thanks to Solas, and the blights themselves are thanks to mythal when she killed the first titan.
Corypheus reply to the protagonists I am not afraid, Corypheus says "words often hurled at the darkness. Once they were mine, they are always lies" Amazing writing.
Tinfoil! The Architect is in the Hero of Ferelden!
(I hope not.)
Oh.. My.. GOD!!!! .... I can't believe I didn't think of that .. KaBOOM .. That's was my brain.
That would be so awesome... Umm.. I mean yeah hope not.
but secretly I hope soXD
Matt richard to bring him back?
@ Iron Clock .. If the Architect knows how to resurrect, like Corepheus, than he's alive no matter the outcome of Awakening. He may know, however, how to inhabit a grey warden like Corypheus did, ( Larius/Janeka ).
So, if this is the case, our Hero of Ferelden, could very well be the Architect.
Could be, the Architect, that went west, and none is any the wiser.
The main reason I said ' hope not' in my original comment was because my mind failed to think of an actual way for it to be implemented, in a way that wouldn't rile up 80% of the fans. XD But personally, I wouldn't mind if it happened. It could be done in Many ways too. The hero Might even be a willing host, depending on the type of hero you had.
Capo-- Yes, I understand that The Hero of Ferelden is loved, me included. But, correct me if I'm wrong, I think what people really liked is the sculpting, and limited, " Politics" involved with our hero.
Keep this in mind, if the politics are for ever present in DA4 than, the HOF, will not be the same. They, ( EA ) will dilute our beloved hero.
The outcomes of Awakening are multitasked, but yes, they could be inthralled with one another.XD
That's a disturbing taught. When realizing that our hero could very well be, The Architect, I got a bit excited.
It just fits so well, it would be a very, " OMG! " moment to find out in DA4.
Hero can be remade.
My wish is for, EA, to listen to it's fans.. Maybe not all... But, on how to create a hero. It can be done:
- I want, a back story, to my protagonist. Give him/her a soul, a virtue, a purpose. It seem only companions have this.
- More darkness, or more of a saint. Let me choose my path.
- Outcomes matters, Quests matters.
P.S. Your comments are really good, someone will always be riled up : )
I hope in the next Dragon Age they delve more in the history since the Tevinter Imperium is such a big part of the series.
I like how "milk drinker" has now become a real world insult.
Maybe you we will see his non tainted form in the fade in DA:TDWR, maybe he'll like tell us how he regrets breaching the black city and gives us hints on Solas' weaknesses.
I agree to some extent , but you're basically saying " I want this guy that literally wants to murder me and a ton of other innocents to give me his life story in detail "
That fan art picture of Corypheus makes his human version look like Cory Feldman lol.
Incredibly thankful I decided to slow down the speed of this video because it made you sound like Arnold schwarzenegger
Great video. I couldnt find a lot explaining corypheus and his past.
My bet is - Architect is inside the Warden (Hero of Ferelden) but he is kinda taken aback by the return of Urthemiel and remains silent for now, not knowing how to approach the God he fucked up. And about the City - it turned Black when Maker died there, possibly why Old Gods wanted magisters to get there, because they craved to take power of Maker's remains which lied in the City, but those remains became the Taint, as god decomposed, because its hinted that Taint is pure Destruction or Rot, and so opposes Creation. And when Corypheus and Co. entered the City they got tained by it, and then fed their Gods with it. Kinda fits the theme of Dragon Age.
Damn, I never thought of it like that. I suppose we could've gotten some more information out of Corypheus.
I LOOOVVVEEEE that idea of Corypheus in the fade, and being able to get some answers, as such, from him.
i really want to see the architect again.
Thank you for this video (just found it yesterday in my "Recommended" ones). I do not think it is "too long", not a slightest bit (and you please don't, ever, either), but for all those deep insightful thoughts ~ your speed of delivering them is waaaay to speedious for my (individual) perception :( (also, English is not my first language). Those insights so deserve to be spoken at a waaay slower pace (like "walking (or even meditative) pace" vs. "sprinting pace"). I will try to find the way to slower the audio of this video, it is that valuable for me. Peace! \/
Ok so I gotta get this out there that, first of all, awesome video and second I love how all your videos are so high quality and you're so passionate about these awesome games. Really, you deserve more subs!! Keep up the good work, love your videos!
Dude thank you so much!! :D
Got u fam 👌🏻
So what i gather here is that technically the Mages...or at least the Tevinter Mages...were manipulated by the Old Gods.
I love the games but i'll be honest i haven't read much of the Codex entries...i totally intended too i just wanted to finish one full play-through of the trilogy first...and i haven't replayed it as much as some people so i wasn't aware of just how much about the story of the Mages breaking into the Golden City was told.
But i gather from this that technically the Old Gods were to blame for the whole thing, i mean Tevinter Mages may be twisted power mad crazy people, but the Old Gods were clearly pulling their strings here, and what baffles me is the Chantry clearly knows this, they all clearly know that the Old Gods got into their heads with false promises and baited them into doing what they did, yet they still blame ALL Mages for what happened. Like they condemn a whole faction of people based on the actions of a few Power Hungry Nut Jobs who has the strings of their ego's pulled by actual Gods. Even though i always play as a Mage i always try to find Middle-Ground with Templars and Mages as much as i can but because of the way the Chantry has treated both factions there's just no way of truly resolving the centuries of Bad-Blood.
I mean i get the story reasoning behind the Chantry's actions but they basically created a prejudice out of fear, part of me always wonders how different Thedas would have been if perhaps they didn't imprison the Mages, i mean still have the phylactery thing in place but let them live at home maybe build a boarding school type thing or something so they can learn to control their powers and the Templars acted only as Police arresting them to a Circle of Magi only when they actually did something wrong. I feel like that would've been a good way to build bridges and prevented the whole Mage Vs. Templar War.
Also i'm sure someone says in one of the games that the Grey Wardens know the locations of all the Old-Gods, if that's the case why don't they just go in and Slay them all, if there's no Old Gods then they can't speak to anyone and wouldn't that mean there would be no more Blights???
This is honestly why i love Dragon Age though, literally everything is a grey area, nothing is what it seems...kind of reminds me of Legacy of Kain in that regard...every choice you make has you questioning everything, it gets you thinking how different the in-game world could be if certain characters or factions simply talked or actions were taken to treat everyone fairly etc. etc.
The Chantry does not blame mages. It blames the misusage of magic, particularly blood magic ( which is totally forbidden). Magic was meant to serve, not rule.
The Chantry also protects mages. Land owners probably have to pay taxes to the chantry for keeping the circle going. In return the chantry send their Templars to protect the land of demons and apostates.
it's not perfect by any account, but Orlais and most of southern Thedas have strived, and resisted Tevinter suppressions by following the Chant of Light ( Andraste's words ). However, this is the logic, but rarely the practice.
Dragon age is about your own views, are you a libertarian? If so, remember that noting is free.
matt richard Templars are redundant and have far too much power. They lost all their credibility and cant act as viable protector s against the demons and meleficarum anymore, it is clear.
Vlad Tutushkin.. I agree, they have too much power, and even worst, most have a chip on their shoulder. So, what’s the answer?
Disband the Order - they will die out without Lirium anyway. Create new structure, under a harsh supervision of some sort of a Cocuncil made of mages, clergy and "warrior caste" and whatever they have. Put them under a set of laws and regulations and makes SURE that Seekers work this time around, cause Seekers (if you even heard of them) suppose to regulate Templars, oversee their operatuions, but they do nothing , literally allowing Templars to rape and murder as they please. Solution to magick problem is FAR away from Chantry and Templars, they torture and unjustly imprison mages, turning Circles to "mild" concentration camps till mages break inside - and then demons have open doors by simple promise of revenge or glimpse of freedom. So making rules both more liberal AND harsh will work. You have more freedoms, but you pay dearly for fuckups, that sort of thinking.
I think Corypheus was a great villain, yes could've been better but still great! He explained it well he was betrayed, nothing in the Black City, he believed himself so much higher then anyone else and doesn't care about anyone now, Dumant made him a promise and he wanted what was due, he didn't have to explain his reasoning. At least that what I always thought.
Maybe you wanting more information from Corypheus isn't the problem, maybe its that he doesn't know the truth at all, or he is incapable of learning the truth
I would’ve totally messed up those tevinter names haha
Old video I know Jack, but damn, 5 years and we STILL don't have a new game...
It's going to be a ten year wait at this point :(
@@JackdawYT Love your content man, it has been a long ride, I know Bioware has gone through a lot of change over Dreadwolf's development I just hope they pull out a W at the end.
Firstly, I apologise for posting this here but you guys seem to be the only ones still talking about Dragon Age Inquisition. So, I like to rp my knight enchanter as a Trevelyan who's sole wish in life was to become a Templar. His magic didn't surface until late, 21. He joined the the order at 14 and began his training. At 21 he was ready to take on the title of "Knight-Recruit" but his magic surfaced and his dreams were crushed. Basically, a Templar with a mages power.
I disagree with all the hate for blighted Cory. Sure, he did not have the lengthy monologues with the protagonist to develop his character, and it probably would have been better narratively if they had done that. But it makes sense why they didnt do that, for many reasons. First, as others have said, he wasnt the true antagonist. He was just being played by Solas; as an intermediate villain, he did not require additional development beyond what was already provided in DA2. Second, and more importantly from a narrative perspective, Cory didnt owe the protagonist an explanation. The PC was nothing more than a fly in his ointment; why should he take the time to explain himself to an annoyance? Cory spent eons developing his plans, only to have them felled by a stroke of bad luck and the interference from a virtual infant? He has no interest in converting or persuading the PC; he just wants the PC out of his way, so why waste words on someone he believes is beneath him? His lack of exposition is perfectly in line with his perspective. Third, he may not have a morally complex motivation to convey in the first place. Initially, he was an idealist who, although power hungry, wanted the power to serve his God and his people. When he arrived in the golden city, the entire foundation for his beliefs was shattered. When idealists have their worldview crushed, they often become bitter, hurt, and jaded. In this case, Cory lost his original motivation for his actions when he learned that his God had lied to him. I think his residual motives of creating the world that he had always envisioned through his own power is plenty sufficient of a motivation for this story.
I did actually like Corypheus as a villain, although he doesn't rate as one of my favorites. My favorite antagonists have so far always been Isair and Madae from Icewind Dale 2, because to this day I would rather work for them than the Ten Towns. You didn't get a whole monologue of their motivations, but it was revealed if you read the conversations you have with Arundel, Sherincal, and Egenia's ghost; it's actually a rather sad story and I truly supported their goal: to have a kingdom/nation (it's unclear, a place) where half-breeds could go and be accepted. They didn't even start out wanting to conquer the whole north, but since the mayor of Bryn Shander was apparently an idiot, they turned from setting up trade relations with the Ten Towns to conquering them.
I think Solas has the Anchor now, so he won't be needing blood magic. Thoughts?
Nevena Cakic ... He still needs an Orb. I believe the Orb could have been made with blood magic. Because why not everything else is.
There is a picturestory About Andraste. In one of these painting Archon Hessarian is piercing Andraste, with lots of blood gushing out. Standing next to Hessarian is a shady bald man. This man looks to be waiting for something. In the next painting the bald man is running away with an Orb.
So I just made lots of implication :
.. Hessarian did not show mercy, he just needed Andraste's blood.
.. The bald man is Solas.
.. The Orb was made with Andraste's blood.
Assumption? probably
Solas was asleep during the whole Andraste affair. He only woke up a couple of years before Inquisition.
@Drep Wayne, not sure if I would believe the Dread Wolf, but fair enough. A shady character, however, did flee with an Orb after Andraste death. As to whom ?
Dorian mentions seeing several paintings of ancient men, possibly the Dreamers from the time before the magisters, carrying orbs like the one Corypheus uses; according to him, they're called "Somnaborium", and presumably are the foci used by the elvhen.
It's hard to comment on the picture you refer to without having seen it, but I have seen images of Andraste flanked by sinister-looking, bald magisters, so that could be what you mean.
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These are the pics I meant, the one in yellow, and these are probably the magisters you are referring too. So, I submit, you are correct they do look like the magisters you are referring too, but one is still running away with an Orb, or what looks like.
I think the fact that he said nothing at all is what made him and the game so great. He told us exactly what we needed to know at the time and left the rest to pure speculation and imagination based off what we do know. I think that’s what builds so much into the next game and story. Less is more & that’s more than true when it comes to this. Leave us with questions, I don’t mind, just as long as they lead to something that pays off.
So you're telling me that Corypheus is the epitome of the Sigma Grind? Finds out all gods are lies so he goes on a path to turn himself into a god so that he can provide real godly aid to those who need it. Turn that mindset into a Grindset
"Did Stolas need blood magic to rip open the Veil?"
Both yes and no. To create a veil Stolas for sure used "Lyrium heart", the thing made out of heart of the Titan. Lyrium many times showed properties of blood, so any magic involving it might be much closer to blood magic then people realise. Blood magic specific spells are only specific because they affect people through their blood, so if titans were alive, lyrium based magic probably would have similar effects on them.
Amazing history, i love so much your theories and videos of Lore, i think that this villane is a good villane in Dragon Age
Thank you so much! :D
Lol again there is no Maker
Sure Cory could’ve told us all that stuff, but given his character, it makes sense that he didn’t. Why would he, we’re mere mortals
Great lore video! If it so befalls you, more of these would pleasurable...
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I love love looove your vids. How you are digging into the deph of the DA Lore and presenting it to us. Just awesome! If I could subscripe again, I would. ^^
Awww thank you so much!! You're too kind!!! :D
The problem here to me is: If the puny Magisters can shape shift, transfer their essence to a *Gray Warden* and *posess* them. Then we have a problem with the arch demons, cause they are either waaaay weaker than the magisters and in this case, just pets for the Ancient gods or they are all atill trapped there but the Arch demons are just a temporary foothold that they have in Thedas... But either way i see it, everyone in Thedas seems to have a big, big, biiig ass problem and Solas most likely wants to do something about it before it all goes to shit.
Thx for this, been curious about his bio
i think the only way to learn what happened and how the blights started is to literally go to tervinter thats technically where it started
it's sad that your inquisitor won't carry over as a playable character, because i feel like the developers let the Makers chosen slip threw there fingers. for example the well, what if instead of you being bound, what if it was the Makers intention for you to drink that water, it would've been much better than Morrigans mother being revealed.
When Hawke encountered Corypheus, his voice was different than when the Inquisitor encounters him. Oddly enough, it seems to be the same actor. Why does he sound so different?
Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age 2 are both backwards compatible on Xbox One (so are Jade Empire, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic & the Mass Effect Trilogy). Shame PS4 doesn’t allow backwards compatibility, but EA’s new head isn’t against remasters. Now that’s not a guarantee we’ll get Bioware remasters, but it’s a start in the right direction.
The elder one was there to kill you not give you a history lesson
Can't he do both? Solas did.
roasted
Where did you get that choir version of "The dawn will come"?
Dragon Age: Inquisition Digital Soundtrack with the game! :D
I honestly think the DLC which first introduced Corypheus was better than the fight in DAI because he was extremely easy to defeat in Inquisition. It took me like 10 tries to "kill" him in the DLC in the older game.
As for the lore I don't think he has lied about anything and it matches up well with Solas's explanation at the true end of Inquisition. Solas in theory is an old god or from what he says the Elven pantheon are the old gods. It makes complete sense that "the throne of the old gods is empty" because Solas locked the Elven gods away except for Mythal whom he then kills or sacrifices to break the veil in DA4.
This still leaves room for DA4 to finish the story and fill in the final history of Theadas. I believe these magisters of Tavinter were communicating with some of the gods that Solas locked away behind the veil and truly that either there is NO MAKER or that said maker had something to do with the blight.
If there is a maker in dragon age lore one must assume that said maker created all that there is. The Elves and their fantastic power in their original form, humans, animals, dragons, darkspawn etc. Assuming the maker was intelligent and neither benevolent nor malevolent they would have done so in a somewhat balanced manner. Meaning all of their creations would have a chance to live and die as well as a free will for their normal life span depending on many factors.
What I want to know in DA4 is did the magisters fail to locate the Elven pantheon because Solas had them scattered behind the veil? We know he "locked them away" supposedly never to return and that these beings were immensely powerful therefore I don't think he would create the veil and then just send them all to their room aka the Golden city together where they could interact and plot an escape. He must have locked them behind magical portals in different parts of the fade doomed to wonder trying to find a way out or each other and I'd bet money that instead of finding one another they each chose to commune with the magisters in tavinter. They likely figured if we convince these magisters to pool their power and resources they can eventually tear the veil created by the dread wolf and provide a method of escape for us. The promise of power was just a thinly veiled lie to get them to do the elven god's will.
I believe this plan backfired on the Elven gods as they were either unable to leave through this tear or when they do leave they manifest as evil beings nothing like their original form.
I don't necessarily believe that the Elven Gods are arch demons especially since there have been so many blights. Being that a warden has answered the call to slay them each subsequent blight if the elven gods were manifesting as arch demons they would all eventually be destroyed by wardens, and Solas wouldn't be trying to destroy the veil to bring them all back to theadas in their original splendor.
I think what we will be told is that the elves in their greed created the darkness which turned the golden city black. They each wanted to be in charge and rule but instead of ruling together in peace and sharing their gifts they fought constantly which is part of the reason Solas created the veil in the first place to prevent the elves from destroying themselves. I hope in DA4 this is confirmed and we find out where the elven gods went, if Andraste's story is at all true, if there is a maker, and if the elven gods and man can coexist. Must we kill the elven gods, and the few magisters left to prevent theadas from being destroyed? Is there another way like a divine intervention from the maker? Or perhaps by removing the veil the "taint" will dissipate and balance will be restored allowing man, elves, and creatures once thought to be corrupted to live in peace? Maybe the darkspawn and arch demons only appear corrupted in theadas because part of them is lost in the veil?
I believe DA4 will be the last game in the series and I truly hope they tie up the loose ends in regards to the lore as best they can. It is one of my favorite games of all time but they better not mess it up like they did with DA2. I prefer origin's game play but realize that is hard to get through on consoles and DA2/3 mixing real time and strategy works but the camera angles were not great. If they can improve the game play mechanics a bit more and provide a good story I will be very happy. Also I NEED MORRIGAN TO BE A PLAYABLE CHARACTER. The daughter of Mythal MUST have a role in this...like how can she not!?
Does every villain needs to be complex and layered ? I think that Corypheus served his purpouse well enough as the antagonist of the Inquisition.
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I thought Corypheus was a good villian. Maybe because, I didnt know about him. But the more I learned, about him, the more I understand his motivations in inquisition.
Dude thought there was a heaven and a god. Reached heaven through unspeakable means only to see it black with no god. Then the whole world fell to ruin including the tevinter empire.
When he returned centuries later, he found the world turned upside down and people still crying out to gods with no answers.
It was then that he knew what needed to be done. He needed to usurp the empty throne become the god his people needed and restore the Tevinter empire to its former glory.
Like I said, I didnt know much by that point, but his whole monologue in haven had me intrigued. He was literally the focal point that started these games. And I only realized how grand of a gesture his appearance was after a second playthrough.
They should bring in Alexius and if he dead he should be in the fade or if he not the should be in the skyhould prison cells or something else
My Alexius is tranquil.
I just realized, if Corypheus could transfer to a Warden, 'twas a good thing The Architect didn't transfer to MY warden. At least, I hope he didn't.
What's the name of the choir music on the first part? Sounds like Lord of the Rings
'tis The Dawn Will Come :D
When you say you wanted Corypheus to have explained certain lore things you fail to address the question of "why would he?". Why would Corypheus bother telling the Inquisitor anything. They are his enemy, and an enemy that he feels is beneath him. Why would we waste his time answering their questions or explaining anything to them. That would be silly and ridiculous behavior out of the villain. It would have been nice if we could have found the information through other means, but it would be crazy to have expected Corypheus to be the source of that information. He started with the arrogance of a Tevinter mage and high priest, and that has only become worse with his change and corruption. His behavior fit what he was very well. To make him the way you wanted would have undermined those aspects of his personality and made the portrayal of him seem false (as if he only existed to be an exposition machine instead of a villain).
That's the thing though, this is a fictional story. The writers have the freedom to do whatever they want within the bounds of the story they want to tell. If Corypheus is the type of character who wouldn't divulge lore to the player (obviously) then the writers should find another way for us to find things out. Environmental design, hidden history, magic, anything could work. Dragon Age is a series notorious for putting most of its lore in optional content anyway so why would they not do the same for the main villain of the game? In fact, they could even add an element of beating him more easily if you'd learned things about him first (as opposed to him just being idle for the entire game)
there are still another 5 magisters that we'll likely see in the future. if Cory told us about everything then it would make the other 5 pointless.
I don't think he was underwhelming at all. He tore the bloody sky asunder and was thwarted by the chosen, that's epic! No, they did him justice in my opinion.
I dont know that we can 100% trust corypheus' recollection cause remember he spent like a thousand years in isolstion so id assume his recollection has been damaged but i also dont think we can completely trust the chant also
Corypheus should be a person and come back
They will never say anything about the maker, it will always be ambiguous
I like this theory. Any thoughts on the founding of the qun?
Ok but what if Cory was actually trying to save us cuz he saw what Solas really was and stole the orb but ended up getting corrupted because of the curse Solas put on it if it were to be Stolen?????????
> Is a slave owner.
> Sacrifices a legion of slaves and uses their blood to break the world, in an attempt to become a god.
> The moment he's free, he tries yet again to become a god and bring back a decadent empire that only ever functioned at the expense of elven slaves, or humans who were too poor to be anything but slaves.
>> *"Morally gray"*
Yeah, alright.
The elves owned slaves. And his conrtymenn still own slaves. Our founding fathers owned slaves I'm not saying it's night but in a time or world where it allowed its not so cut and dry. You cant say to Dorian your evil cause you're family which you're gonna be head of soonish owns slaves.
So you're just choosing to ignore the macro-scale blood sacrifice, the fact that he *still* sees elves as inferior beings, and the fact that he wants to break the world yet again to bring back the (possibly second) most corrupt empire in the history of Thedas, and rule over it as a tyrannical god-king? Alright, so be it.
Of course Dorian can be criticized for keeping slaves, particularly when he's in a position of power that would allow him to make a change. His stance on slavery, much as _your_ founding fathers', doesn't erase all the good he's done, but it isn't the kind of flaw that you just ignore and wave away with a "woopsie, shit happens". Jefferson acknowledged that slavery was antithetical to the Revolution, but he just shrugged and went on "having an affair" with his servant (as much as you can call it an "affair" when one party can't refuse to take part). Whatever else he may have been, this also made him a hypocrite.
Oh solas will absolutely have to use blood magic to pierce the veil. He’s already done it, he even says blood magic isn’t inherently evil, it’s the intentions of those who use it that makes it such. Already justifying its use in his own mind. I believe it’s no coincidence Solas was working with Corypheus in the beginning of the game. I bet he worked with him and all the other priests of the old gods. He just has his own reasons to cross into the fade. To trap his kin inside of it. I personally believe that’s what caused the golden city to be corrupted. Not the magisters, but the elven gods. I mean yes the magisters were to share the blame, but it wasn’t their presence alone on the golden city that corrupted it.
why is he so tall🤔 blood magic??
I swear if he comes back (turned back as a human with no memory) as a romance compion I'm going 2 rofl so hard.
Hey Jackdaw! Do more lore, if u can't find gameplay to go with what you're talking about; just use fan art. Really though, I would enjoy a lore series about everything Dragon age!
He needs no redemption for my opinion. He is on my top 5 villains of all time
They could have made the inquisitor read a book or something and have us play as one of the wardens who saw/slain dumat etc... I hate villains who appear ingame as" I'm evil just cause", and act like children with zero logic and respect(the world will burn because I didn't get a lollipop when I was a kid) and when you read their lore they appear the opposite. Corephius is identical to the Kett boss I don't even remember how he looks or his name