Alan Moore on Austin Osman Spare

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  • Опубліковано 3 лис 2010

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  • @jcskittzandmysti
    @jcskittzandmysti 13 років тому +28

    Austin Osman Spare was my cousin thrice removed. I never actually met him, but I love him all the same. R.I.P

    • @nodarkthings
      @nodarkthings 2 роки тому +3

      Wow, very cool! I have a cheque signed by Spare, a prized possession.

  • @sitluxetluxfuit4481
    @sitluxetluxfuit4481 2 роки тому +4

    Osman spare clearly lived between the two worlds

  • @allaboutdmagic
    @allaboutdmagic 13 років тому +16

    Spare had encounters, or believed he had encounters, with a form of spirit that looked like ' monstrous aquatic owls'. That had to be pretty unnerving.

  • @WarriorOfModernDeath
    @WarriorOfModernDeath 13 років тому +15

    His biographer was mistaken a bit. Spare was not shy or awkward instead he had grown tired of fame and social recognition as it was useless to him.

  • @kinthirteen
    @kinthirteen 3 роки тому +9

    Why on EARTH is this gentleman so ignored?! I am a visual artist, an illustrator to be more exact. By far, my best drawings were created in this state of consciousness. I have searched my entire life looking for this man, and his literary works on drawing, and I didn't even know it until today. This method of drawing is active mediumship. I was classically 'trained' in school to be a great artist, I was always inexplicably bored by the concepts and practice of the fundamentals of art. I have since matured on this subject, and I recognize how vital the fundamentals of art are to every aspect of drawing. However, I never have created anything I have ever liked while trying to create like I was taught. The drawings that, not only I am most satisfied with, but that seem to be well received with others, have been created by this 'Automatic Drawing'. I am not currently a 'great artist', and I have much progress to make, but I can sincerely vouch that you do not need great skill or talent from birth to draw. What is needed to create amazing works of art that convey universal wisdom is a proper understanding and implementation of this technique.

    • @danielnichols5632
      @danielnichols5632 2 роки тому +1

      How does it work? I've tried it but can't shut off consciousness

    • @kinthirteen
      @kinthirteen 2 роки тому +3

      @@danielnichols5632 You aren't shutting off your consciousness. You are bringing your awareness to the present moment, being present with drawing. So your mind is perfectly aligned with the action. Just begin by breathing and following the breath. Just start making marks on the paper, don't worry about how it's going to look when it's finished, that's not being present. Instead just go with where your hand decides to go next. Keep following your breath and keep drawing. Don't be concerned with making it look 'good'. Just become one with the action of drawing. You will experience a flow state, and it won't feel like a struggle it will come out of you like you are a printer. It's okay if you don't get it immediately. Today in fact, I've been struggling with getting in this state, you'll have ebbs and flows with it. But don't give up, just keep trying. Really, don't pressure yourself to make it look any kind of way. Just try and get in the same mindset you were in when you were a child drawing, you weren't trying to impress anyone, you were just having fun. We've lost this playful attitude as we got older, but this is a great step in healing your relationship with your inner child. Much love.

  • @bwlamorte
    @bwlamorte 12 років тому +22

    'Images and Oracles of AOS' by Kenneth Grant is the best source of in-formation regarding Spare, his art, and his magickal techniques, and it's not quite as expensive as some of Spare's personal writings which are all hard-to-find and pricey.

    • @kristinaF54
      @kristinaF54 2 роки тому

      'Not quite as expensive'? Averaging about £200, it is pricey. I picked up mine for £110 luckily when no else bid on it. Though I'm familiar with Grants other works, Images & Oracles reads like word salad and gobbledegook.

  • @Sir9real
    @Sir9real 13 років тому +7

    Hail AOS! bridge between worlds, Artist, Teacher and Master Magician.

  • @Micowoco
    @Micowoco 3 роки тому +4

    The theme of geese growing from a tree is one of the common oddities of medieval manuscripts.

  • @eddiespex
    @eddiespex 13 років тому +5

    completely mind blowing this has to be shared!

  • @EkaterinaKokurina
    @EkaterinaKokurina Рік тому +2

    He was a real Genius, one of a kind. He is too good to be popular. He never was shy, what a nonsence! He didn't like the fame, that's true. I am his translator into Russian, an artist and magician myself. Do yourself a favour, read his books!

  • @BeyondSideshow
    @BeyondSideshow 11 років тому +3

    Thank you for uploading!!

  • @AntonioRodriguez-cn5ik
    @AntonioRodriguez-cn5ik 6 років тому +6

    AOS = Mágico

  • @rasmussen418
    @rasmussen418 13 років тому +4

    What a great upload.

  • @OfCourseGeorgeWins
    @OfCourseGeorgeWins 11 років тому +6

    Spare's relegation is criminal.

  • @caviper1
    @caviper1 12 років тому +1

    Did not know his work. Remarkable.

  • @tranquil87
    @tranquil87 13 років тому +7

    @severusjusticia Agreed. Worth mentioning that Spare thought Crowley to be a poseur and an exhibitionist, while Crowley had the greatest respect for Spare and his work.

    • @sonder152
      @sonder152 2 роки тому +1

      Whereas Kenneth Grant knew both of them and wrote about the truths in both of them.

  • @johnnyscifi
    @johnnyscifi 7 років тому +1

    Love it!!

  • @23narchy
    @23narchy  13 років тому +1

    @brammichielsen It was from The Culture Show on BBC2.

  • @oidni1
    @oidni1 11 років тому +2

    I love this.

  • @ohyounome
    @ohyounome 13 років тому +1

    @23narchy
    it's so good.

  • @mayaschembri829
    @mayaschembri829 5 років тому +3

    at last a real english artist

  • @librazone
    @librazone 9 років тому +1

    Fascinating.

  • @lonehawkwhitlock1310
    @lonehawkwhitlock1310 2 роки тому

    Thx!
    🔥🖤AOS🖤🔥

  • @memorythree
    @memorythree 10 років тому +2

    Talk Talk! Cool!

  • @The1970cesar
    @The1970cesar 12 років тому +1

    Geniales......

  • @brammichielsen1182
    @brammichielsen1182 13 років тому +1

    @23narchy Cool, thanks!

  • @fruntporch
    @fruntporch 7 років тому +5

    what is this clip taken from? Would be very interested in watching the whole thing

    • @23narchy
      @23narchy  7 років тому +14

      It's from the Culture Show on BBC2. It was originally broadcast on Saturday 6 November 2010. This is 'the whole thing' in as much as the rest of the show was not to do with AOS or Alan Moore.

    • @fruntporch
      @fruntporch 7 років тому +4

      Ah I see. Thanks for the info

  • @allaboutdmagic
    @allaboutdmagic 13 років тому +1

    @nargargole I wouldn't say Crowley hated himself, especially if you've read his autobiography! I'm sure he had his regrets though, when the whole heroin addiction/ World War II thing was going on.

    • @johnnyscifi
      @johnnyscifi 7 років тому

      allaboutdmagic Aleister made me want to seriously kick heroin!!

  • @brammichielsen1182
    @brammichielsen1182 13 років тому +1

    @JJAAHH Oh, deifnitely agreed. Still cool that there was at least SOMETHING :)

  • @JJAAHH
    @JJAAHH 13 років тому +2

    @brammichielsen i saw it when it was on and was really dissapointed at how little of this there was, 7.25 is nowhere near enough to even introduce moore and spare

  • @andytithesis5720
    @andytithesis5720 9 років тому +6

    Spare is my Christ.

    • @ThouguohT
      @ThouguohT 3 роки тому +1

      Chill

    • @alekseycalvin534
      @alekseycalvin534 3 роки тому +4

      Austin Osman Spare: "No man shall follow me. I am not thy preservation. Thou art the way. Assuredly, thy virtue is to be equally different. Thy complaint is the calamity: The hypocrite is always at prayer. Dost thou suffer? Thou shalt again suffer, till thine I does not fear its body. Rather seek and increase by thy temptations, it is but the way to intelligence. Transgression is wiser than prayer: Make this thy obsession. Thank only thyself and be silent. The coward's way is religion..." - From "Focus of Life", Aphorism II ("Morals of shadow, wherein the Arcana of Zos has no commandments")

    • @EkaterinaKokurina
      @EkaterinaKokurina Рік тому

      He wouldn't approve it. You need to be your own God.

  • @cossack814
    @cossack814 2 роки тому +1

    What is the song in the beginning?

    • @nodarkthings
      @nodarkthings 2 роки тому +1

      The background music is from Talk Talk's excellent final album, Laughing Stock. The song at the beginning is Runeii. A far cry from their synth-pop origins but brilliant and mysterious. RIP Mark Hollis.

    • @cossack814
      @cossack814 2 роки тому +1

      @@nodarkthings thank you very much

  • @bobgod
    @bobgod 13 років тому +1

    That Journalist looks a lot like Harry Potter....

  • @nodatastored684
    @nodatastored684 Рік тому +1

    Id Swear, Just read Promethea with his appearances I think John Constantine's speech and persona is based on Austin Spare... It's creepy the way he spoke

  • @SidewaysBurnouts
    @SidewaysBurnouts 10 років тому

    what is the music in the back ground?

    • @nodarkthings
      @nodarkthings 9 років тому +3

      SidewaysBurnouts Talk Talk. I think the album is Laughing Stock, their final. Amazing band.

    • @nuithaditrahoorkhuit6229
      @nuithaditrahoorkhuit6229 4 роки тому +2

      What about the song that starts in 5:00?

  • @jasoncoker1625
    @jasoncoker1625 2 роки тому

    🤘🤫

  • @brammichielsen1182
    @brammichielsen1182 13 років тому +1

    Anyone know what this is from?

  • @fredkapp8245
    @fredkapp8245 8 років тому +4

    neither one or the other

  • @okeagi-tuedor5935
    @okeagi-tuedor5935 Рік тому

    Why am I just seeing this on UA-cam?

  • @23narchy
    @23narchy  13 років тому +2

    It is good, isn't it?

  • @jhjh647
    @jhjh647 6 років тому

    Jesus é o poder e a glória para todo sempre

  • @TxxT33
    @TxxT33 6 років тому +11

    Spare > Crowley

  • @SaturnsGoat9
    @SaturnsGoat9 3 роки тому

    Surprised the assholes of UA-cam let this pass and didn't censor these images

  • @JAMAICADOCK
    @JAMAICADOCK 11 років тому +1

    Come to the conclusion Stalin was right about the avant-gard of this period - being essentially fascist.

    • @johnnyscifi
      @johnnyscifi 7 років тому +4

      trev moffatt Spare is anything but fascist, son

    • @alekseycalvin534
      @alekseycalvin534 3 роки тому +1

      Some Austin Spare quotes: - "Beware the demagogue with a plausible ideology for your betterment, he is a dangerous throwback, mass murder his weapon!"
      - "I accept only equity*: no law or doctrine can be sacred to me while my nature discloses none."
      (*For Spare "equity" seems to mean something similar to equality of everyone and everything under a kind of organic karma-like mechanism*)
      - "I believe in 'strangerhood': the trouble with 'brotherhood' as an ideal is that man's present behaviour is too bloody for words..."
      -"Sufficient amenities for life, liberty of mind, a disciplined body, fecundity of conception and facility of expression - what more should one need of Freedom, unless to rob others of theirs?"
      - "Nature teaches equal significance of all things: the blade of grass, the dead God or a live sow, all are of the same earthly worth. Of supernal value is your service of remaking self in unlikenesses of yourself."
      - "The unjustly injured are not benefited if the same injury is inflicted on the aggressor: punishment should not only be corrective but compensatory to the victim. This does not preclude other kinds of deterrents if necessary."
      And so on...

    • @alekseycalvin534
      @alekseycalvin534 3 роки тому +2

      Ultimately, AOS's thought is complex and often paradoxical. And it's difficult or likely impossible to squarely fit it into any conventional political philosophy categories. However, it is very obvious that he was by no means a fascist. There's plenty of more direct evidence testifying to his hatred of Nazism. However, he wasn't a huge fan of the USSR either. Like basically every other iconoclastic thinker of his day (including many venerated leftists), he was clearly very influenced by Nietzsche. To some Spare may seem as an individualist anarchist. Yet, that doesn't exactly fit either, especially given Spare's keen sense of any identifiable individual self being one semi-crafted, shifty illusion among many others within a more amorphous meta-self (more Buddhism meets 21st century psychodynamics than Nazi essentialism and Freudian psychoanalysis, which Spare thought just scratched a surface). Moreover, AOS was also decidedly working class in many ways. Indeed, that may explain somewhat how - in contrast to, say, Yeats or Crowley - Spare was anti-hierarchical and anti-elitist in a real way. Something he clearly despised was the hypocrisy of exploitative moralizers and the hubris of worldly power wielders. Eventually, he concluded that they were just dangerous fools trapped by their own minds and social paradigms. And I think that, given the ideologically charged cultural hegemonies of his day, AOS's adversity to all kinds of "gentlemen's clubs", secret societies, as well as permanent political parties really contributed to his lingering institutional obscurity. Finally, reading things by and about AOS, he does come across rather more like what Moore is today politically, and in other ways; a working class mostly self-taught leftie anarchist introvert occultist-artist.

    • @JAMAICADOCK
      @JAMAICADOCK 3 роки тому +2

      @@alekseycalvin534 Modern art is ultimately elitist, so has fascist tendencies, as does all elitism. That was Stalin's beef with modern art, the working classes couldn't understand it, so basically it was bourgeois in Stalin's view.
      I get modern art, like some of it - but it is elitist and bourgeois, there's no point denying that fact.
      Which means Spare is a contradiction, like many modern artists, such as Picasso's communism. Basically Picasso became a poster-boy for bourgeois taste and fashion - while going off to the Soviet Union to accept medals for his services to revolution.
      And there's no point denying Stalin did much good, and wasn't just some blood thirsty charlatan. If not for Stalin's industrial planning, Russia might now be Germania.
      Stalin also increased literacy and life expectancy, built millions of homes, cleaned up the water, put Russia on the electricity grid.
      He also killed a lot of people, but people today forget the grinding poverty that Russia was in before communism. Basically Third World subsistence levels of poverty. Life was very cheap in Russia well before communism.

    • @alekseycalvin534
      @alekseycalvin534 3 роки тому +2

      ​@@JAMAICADOCK I won't argue with anything you wrote and, besides, agree with much of it. At the same time, keep in mind that Spare rejected the classist art establishment more thoroughly than almost any other artist of his day who experienced early success. He won, as a kid, that conditional ''acceptance'' into the elite stratums and the disproportionally high-reward bourgeois art market. And when he rejected this acceptance, he really did it out of disgust, not "'shyness" or ''awkwardness'', like the modern academic biographer claims in the above video. I think that elite stratums and "the art world" can generally tolerate personal "shyness'' and ''awkwardness" from the aesthetically masterful, thematically vulgar, and all sorts of eclectic working class painter. ''Shyness'' would have been taken for a signal of class shame and servility, and would have made him less threatening and more marketable. But Spare was really quite shameless. He neither downplayed his loathing for "decent society", nor pursued or manipulated publicity for its own sake. And stylistically, Spare had never quite got along with either gallery mores or modernist movements. Relatively speaking, his work was very overt (and not "tastefully" oblique or desexualized) and, for all his inventive breadth of styles, remained grounded in figurativity and classicism of forms. Indeed, his are precisely the sorts of paintings that a regular non-educated person of that time might have considered good relatable art. To the, Spare would seem like the oddball guy at the pub who paints naked people (mainly women), movie stars, angels-demons, fantastic scenes, visual puzzles, portraits of people he would meet at the same pub or see on the street, or satirical caricatures of pompous hypocrites, etc... Sure, Spare also happened to be a prodigious witch and. yes, within aspects of his art, Spare would sometimes anticipate certain avant-gardes years in advance (surrealism, pop-art...). But he almost never benefitted from the art world fashions or tastes. And to the regular observer of his art, none of that would be very relevant. And Spare seemed to have been okay with that. Ultimately, in his later life, Spare exhibited only in local pubs, often painting portraits or custom sketches for people around him in exchange for pennies, while supplementing his income by fixing radio sets... And the trajectory of Spare's story is basically the exact opposite of Dali's, or even Picasso's.