5 Reasons 4-16x Scopes Beat 6-24x Scopes! Arken Optics SH4 Gen 2

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  • @WestDesertShooter
    @WestDesertShooter  3 роки тому +9

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  • @Wanjiku82
    @Wanjiku82 Рік тому +61

    I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.

  • @guitarplayer4429
    @guitarplayer4429 2 роки тому +5

    My favorite video on UA-cam, new to bolt action and scopes, baught my teenage son a Bergara b14 HMR wilderness 308 for his bday and bought him a vortex diamondback 4-16x44 and after a bunch of research I was beginning to stress thinking I waisted 3 or 4 hundred (whatever it was) cause I should’ve got the 6-24 because hopefully we’ll be getting into shooting a few hundred yards, I feel a lil to a lot of relief after watching this video, perfect timing with a perfect affect, thanx bud.

  • @DRay-or4tc
    @DRay-or4tc 2 роки тому +15

    My preference for a “do all” LR/precision scope is 3-15X. I have multiples of 3-15 and 5-25X (Steiner), but I grab the 3-15X equipped rifles most frequently, for the points you made.

  • @richardpowell1664
    @richardpowell1664 2 роки тому +5

    They had a $100 off sale for Vets on Veterans day, I wanted the 4X16 but they were out of stock, so I ended up with the 6X24 on my RPR in 6 mm Creedmore. Its just a range toy, not used for any critical work so it doesn't really matter. Haven't mounted it yet, but just examining it in hand in impressed. I do think most shooters today want too much power, I'm quite content with a straight 10X , it's what I'm used too. But I'm an old retired Army Hi-Power competition shooter who has shot many a long range 600 & 1000 yd match with iron sights with no rest allowed except a sling or a cuff depending on whether I was shooting an M14 (sling) in service rifle or my pre-64 Model 70 bull gun (cuff) in match rifle class. If you can do that you can shoot a 1000 yrs with a 4X scope

  • @chrisc461
    @chrisc461 2 роки тому +5

    I have a Gen 1 Sig Sauer Tango 4 in 4-16x44 with the grey body, so far of all the scopes I’ve bought it’s been my favorite. It’s clear, tracks precisely even for a Gen 1 and has just as much if not more clarity than a vortex viper. Love the 4 power in the 243 when practicing for silhouette Varmint, for the close range shots and going to 945 yards I can easily see the bullet trace and hits even at 14x or 12x. I’m looking at the Arken for another build, and the Bushnell match pro 6-24x50 for a CZ 457. Bushnell having the ability to adjust parallax down to 10yards is great. Love your videos, and completely understand why you enjoy the 4-16x scope mine sig is awesome in that magnification range.

  • @e.l.robbins5614
    @e.l.robbins5614 3 роки тому +4

    My favorite magnification is.3-18 power. That's in the ball park. Good glass and a.34mm tube helps me a lot.

  • @TheJerryPunto
    @TheJerryPunto 3 роки тому +2

    N J Im on week 22 on my order and when I get a response from Arken its the same crap, thanks for hanging with us and it'll be a few more weeks. I've had that song and dance a couple times now, hope that when I get the scope I'm not dissapointed! Waiting for my tax stamp for a suppressor was less time!

  • @jaybailleaux630
    @jaybailleaux630 2 роки тому +10

    Under field conditions the 16X is about the most that can be used because of mirage. Higher the magnification the higher the optical quality needed. Save the higher magnification for paper punching at closer ranges even then on a Brite sunny day , mirage can be like looking in a pot of boiling water.

    • @T7M7P7L7R
      @T7M7P7L7R 2 роки тому

      thanks for this info, I had no idea

    • @mariocesare7669
      @mariocesare7669 2 роки тому

      Sorry, only saw this now...You are spot on!

  • @garyjohns4711
    @garyjohns4711 3 роки тому +40

    so just crank the 6-24 down to 16 and the same field of view???

    • @j.t.867
      @j.t.867 Рік тому +3

      Seems to work for me as well.

    • @sever427
      @sever427 9 місяців тому +1

      Or leave the baby on 6 and get the best of both

    • @Lij_MC
      @Lij_MC 9 місяців тому

      Yeah but smaller retical

    • @ychongy
      @ychongy 8 місяців тому +1

      But the eye box would still be better on the 4x16? It looks fatter vs the 6x24

    • @piristhay5412
      @piristhay5412 7 місяців тому

      It is still ffp and the 16x is still kinda make the redial small

  • @glockman9c
    @glockman9c 2 роки тому +6

    It seems like the Arken 4-16 is quite a bit better than the 6-24. I was ready to go with 6-24 on my Ruger PRS in 6mm Creedmoor but now I am going with the 4-16. Both scopes are better than my abilities. lol.

  • @rustynut1967
    @rustynut1967 3 роки тому +3

    I have the 6-24 and no I won't trade it for the 4-16. Don't need the extra field of view, 1 oz. won't kill me and I like the look of the longer scope. Oh and I paid $400 for mine when they first came out. I would consider the 4-16 if it was second focal plane with a little thicker reticle for hunting.

  • @pbsgrafix
    @pbsgrafix 3 роки тому +8

    I've been conflicted about which of these two zoom ranges to put on a 20" 6.5 Grendel. This video not only cleared it up for me, but also introduced me to a scope company I'll have to check out. I've been a big Vortex fan, but the Arken's feature set blows Vortex away, especially at comparable prices. Now to find out if they're reliable and durable.

    • @DrewEdwardBacklas
      @DrewEdwardBacklas 3 роки тому +3

      They are very durable. Stainless turret internals vs brass or plastic. Zero stop design is superior to vortex also.

  • @lloydcastleton
    @lloydcastleton 3 роки тому +5

    I have a 4-16 PA SLX MIL dot and waiting on my 6-24 SH4, but the scopes won't really compare lol
    But my reason is largely the same for magnification.
    What I am putting the scope on matters, and with the rifle the 6-24 is going on is not something I would generally look at less than 600-800 yards with. Though possible, I plan using it at distance. Though tube diameter also helps in field of view. 30mm is also more narrow and lets less light in, while 35mm gets more detail and clarity out to extreme distances. Check out sniper 101 from Tibosuarus Rex on that info. Or it's something close to that.
    But that's one consideration of course. It really does depend on use in my own opinion. If I were to go to a competition where I wasn't planning to go past certain distances and needed fast target aquisition, then yeah a 4-16 would be on that list. But something where I would be shooting much further, then I would definitely want something to help me reach out.

  • @derrickkellar959
    @derrickkellar959 7 місяців тому

    Just browsing UA-cam and I thought your voice was familiar… then I saw the channel I was watching. I frequent the west desert wheeler channel as well. two shared hobbies. I like it.

  • @simoncoher4841
    @simoncoher4841 2 роки тому +1

    Great review mate , just ordered 4x16 50 for my FX M3 can’t wait be coming all the way to England ..

  • @vieuxacadian9455
    @vieuxacadian9455 3 роки тому +3

    I normally stay in the 15x - 20x range as the image wont ( boil out ) with too much mirage and the FOV is great .

  • @jmkhenka
    @jmkhenka 2 роки тому +4

    when hunting, a 6x min zoom is way to high for ranges up to 100 meters and at 50 its almost useless as you cant really expect to adjust focus at a fly - close shots are fast shots.
    4 is a compromise but works and is regarded as the best magnification for swedish hunting.
    6 or higher are limited to few situations and range-work.

  • @garyjohns4711
    @garyjohns4711 3 роки тому +5

    Better to have it and not need it , than to need it and not have it! And you wont/ cant even notice 1 ounce

  • @Johnny-jr2lq
    @Johnny-jr2lq 3 роки тому +2

    Great video lots of great information I just picked up 2 scopes a 3-18x50 and a 4-14x44 love them. And for new guy’s & girls to the sport a good scope matters. For whatever reason I spent a total of 800 bucks on both scopes. And my groups instantly shrank from the vortex I was using.

  • @PitFitHuntFan
    @PitFitHuntFan 3 роки тому +3

    For offhand shots when hunting or plinking. 4x power is the highest I would go because for me anything higher than 4x the wobble is magnified more so that it makes the shot harder.

  • @GeographyNerd48
    @GeographyNerd48 3 роки тому +4

    Generally i like low power scopes, especially the eye box. However it is completely dependant on target size and color and mirage. Ill take 32 x for a prairie dog with no mirage but mirage or a big orange target 14 x is more than enough.

  • @bigjimmy6690
    @bigjimmy6690 2 роки тому +3

    I have an Arken 4-16 coming in a couple of days but would have preferred a 3-18 if it were offered.

  • @SuperSneakySniper
    @SuperSneakySniper 3 роки тому +3

    My fave is right inbetween! Love my XTR2 4-20x50. But I agree, I tend to lean to 4-16 over 6-24x scopes. Eye box, size, and FOV are so much more important to me than magnification. I never go further than 1100 yards, so anything over 15x isnt really needed! Aside from target shooters, I find that an easy way to tell an experienced shooter from a new one, is that new shooters tend to gravitate towards high magnification over other features when they buy a new scope!

    • @thelion4921
      @thelion4921 3 роки тому +1

      I’m brand new and was interested in the arken sh4 to put on my ruger precision 22lr. Goal is to get to 300 yards. Is the 4-16 better than the 6-24? Any help would be great.

    • @SuperSneakySniper
      @SuperSneakySniper 3 роки тому +3

      @@thelion4921 Hey there! Both models will work just fine for your purpose! And Arken makes excellent scopes for the money. You dont need anything more than the 4-16, however, for .22lr, which makes rather small holes in paper, and barely noticeable marks in steel, you may find that the 6-24 makes it easier to see your hits. But if a 6-24 stretches your budget, you could do just fine with a 4-16, especially if you only plan to shoot steel targets!

  • @chriscunningham9956
    @chriscunningham9956 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the great review! You are the only one I now of that has reviewed the 4 to 16 hunting and long range shooting!

  • @lemon8513
    @lemon8513 3 місяці тому

    In my experience, using the same zoom of 16x (for example) on a 6-26x is way better than in a 4-16x, witch'd be on the maximum light that the glass can give you

  • @mattg6136
    @mattg6136 2 роки тому

    Live in the U.K. and we have strict firearm regs. Got some 12 ft per lb springer rifles and good pistols but may go for my fac liecence where cal, unlimited mag size and silencers don't matter. Shame we can't open or concealed carry over here though. Love you Yanks. Take care and ATB my brothers. Love to all fro the suppressed U.K. 💥

  • @MissingLinkMTB
    @MissingLinkMTB Рік тому

    Not the video I was looking for but the video I needed to see. You make very valid points and I'll be going 4-16x50.

    • @qh4007
      @qh4007 3 місяці тому

      Not me, more magnification!!!

  • @ericdavis1660
    @ericdavis1660 8 місяців тому

    Lower magnification is fine if you have a spotter and/or don't need to consider Target ID.

  • @mikenahorniak1539
    @mikenahorniak1539 3 роки тому +1

    While I have to say that in my opinion, this is not really a review of these scopes, but of magnification in general.
    The major difference is that I say heavier glass usually translates to much better high magnification imagery. Logan, I wish I could show you my high magnification, 40mm tube IOR Valdada scopes.
    ps- I ordered a new uintah ar10 in 6.5 cm about five weeks ago and you did sell me on those barrels, too.

  • @davidanderson3875
    @davidanderson3875 2 роки тому +1

    I was just out with my cousin yesterday-he has an RPR in 6.5 topped with a 10-40! I told him to try a group at 16x and see if it was better and it was lol. He hates hearing that.

    • @chadrides914
      @chadrides914 2 роки тому

      This is true. Some of the best groups I’ve shot have been with fixed 10

  • @bigal4334
    @bigal4334 3 роки тому +22

    Occasional backorder? They've been on constant backorder since last fall. Waiting on my Arken SH4 since last Christmas.

    • @tcmoney1321
      @tcmoney1321 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah I'm all for being patient but I'll never buy another one. Other good companies that would NEVER have 6+ month wait that keeps changing every time you get close to being your ship date

    • @bigal4334
      @bigal4334 3 роки тому +2

      @@tcmoney1321 I finally got mine last week and took it to the range this weekend. If they can get their supply lines worked out it's an awesome scope for the money.

    • @eddieb9110
      @eddieb9110 3 роки тому +3

      @@tcmoney1321 mine was ordered in march and it's already shipping. Ahead of the estimated wait time. Some of you love to act like the covid delays are still a thing.

    • @mrjeffjob
      @mrjeffjob 3 роки тому +1

      I decided it was worth the wait snd it was. Back order means high demand. High demand means high value. Instant gratification is a bitch!

    • @rudolphferdinand3634
      @rudolphferdinand3634 2 роки тому +1

      These scopes are not for old 69-year-old eyes; a four hundred dollars scopes will not come with quality glass; better glass is the call turret second. Vortex Viper PST 3-15x44mm FFP.

  • @JeremyCulbreath
    @JeremyCulbreath 2 роки тому +17

    I would be interested in how they stack up in the overlapping range: 6-16x. Are they functionally identical in that range, or does the 6-24x make compromises to hit those higher magnifications?

    • @jakubkonecny4553
      @jakubkonecny4553 2 роки тому

      that is kinda what I expected from this video.... but basically he mentioned "it is smaller and cheaper" :D

    • @frankhazard7365
      @frankhazard7365 2 роки тому +1

      @@jakubkonecny4553 When comapring two optical sighting system with different variations of zoom but an identical mechanical turret and housing in dimensions you are losing FOV, adding more chromatic aberration, visual artefacts and distortion under low visibility as well as losing eye relief.
      Take for example a PM2 3-12, spectacular glass and FOV, switch to a 5-25 you are going to cut in half the FOV from 5-8 due to tunneling effect of the zoom mechanism since it is compressed in a too short tube for the technology we had at the time in crystals and turret erectors. The same goes for NX8 4-28

    • @jakubkonecny4553
      @jakubkonecny4553 2 роки тому

      @@frankhazard7365 thanks for the details, and again this is the kind of information I was looking for in the video...

    • @frankhazard7365
      @frankhazard7365 2 роки тому

      @@jakubkonecny4553 You are welcome

  • @timmcfarland3311
    @timmcfarland3311 2 роки тому +1

    Plus the 4-16 has a lot more internal elevation. You want to put on a 60 moa base on my .308 and got my 100 yd zero and can dial 122 moa. Really good scope for price. Glass isn’t great but for $400 can’t complain too much

  • @M81_WOODLAND
    @M81_WOODLAND Рік тому +2

    Cheers for this. I'm brand new to long range shooting and thought maybe I'd be missing out by not opting for the 6-24x vs a 4-16x. I'm looking at a pretty good deal (I think) on a Vortex Diamondback 4-16x.

    • @righteousone8454
      @righteousone8454 8 місяців тому

      If you end up buying Vortex know that Vortex has lifetime warranty, they have helped me twice with my scope. They are great

  • @billbee235
    @billbee235 3 роки тому +7

    I mean most of the top shooters in PRS run 5-25 or 7-35. Certainly the magnification range depends on the task but for all around 5-25 can certainly do it all. There’s no definitive answer to this question

    • @aidanorcutt8442
      @aidanorcutt8442 2 роки тому

      To be fair PRS competitors don’t have the issue of targets showing up 20-50 yards away, and usually don’t have the issue of moving targets. Some things to consider for hunting or other applications

    • @billbee235
      @billbee235 2 роки тому +1

      @@aidanorcutt8442 PRS definitely has moving targets and close range targets. Not every match. The other thing I’ve found is that in a 5-25, the sweet spot is at 15-18x for clarity. Optics typically don’t have the best clarity when maxed out. So a 4-16 at 16x is leaving clarity on the table. Regardless, to each their own. I’ve hit 600 yard targets with irons 😂 it’s all personal preference

  • @LONEWOLF-fc5xs
    @LONEWOLF-fc5xs 2 роки тому +2

    I had a 20" tv when i was young...that was plenty....i have a 65" today....i now shoot with the Zeiss 4,8-35 and i like to bye the March 10-60 x56 for my next scope...i generly newer shoot below 15x when i shoot...but i like zoom...and i thing it is an old NATO word to say that zoom isnt good.. i can shoot a mile whit 10x like the Rambo gyes...but can you really see the target whit 10x

  • @JBinthesticks
    @JBinthesticks 2 роки тому +5

    My Leupold 4.5-16 M1 is far superior to my Leupold 6.5-20 M1.
    More compact, clearer optics, less parallax error and more elevation adjustment. The extra 4x magnification isn't worth it.

  • @shauno7582
    @shauno7582 2 роки тому +5

    I have the 6-24x on my rimfire bench rest set up. Stock is also laminate so it’s quite a heavy set up.
    But I love my Arken scope so much, I’m considering getting the 4-16x for a .223 for a hunting rig.
    Polymer stock .223 with 4-16x Arken, would this be considered a light enough set up to cruise around with all day slung over the shoulder?

  • @SocialRegressive
    @SocialRegressive 3 роки тому +2

    That's a bonkers price tag. Thanks for the video!

  • @collegestudent6071
    @collegestudent6071 Рік тому +2

    Most of these points are moot, other than the base magnification. Even then, not like 4-6x is that much of a difference anyways. Better to have and not use the 24x than to be limited and not have it.

  • @rickdavis7141
    @rickdavis7141 3 роки тому

    Good job on the explanation. Can't argue with your logic. ITs too solid. Thanks.

  • @ArmenArmenjs
    @ArmenArmenjs 3 роки тому +4

    I like higher magnification for just estimating range.

  • @mariocesare7669
    @mariocesare7669 2 роки тому +1

    No 6....Higher magnification in Africa, or warmer climatic conditions beyond say 10 or 12X is useless. This is due to heat mirage distortion.
    A Swarovski spotting scope for example cannot be used effectively in warm conditions beyond 25X ( So even the best quality optics are limited by ambient temperatures at higher magnification)
    My 10c worth

  • @KretinD
    @KretinD 3 роки тому

    Literally just slapped a PA 4-16 glx mil dot on a 6arc upper.
    I was highly considering the Arken 4-16 sh4 gen2 but I’m glad I went with the pa. So lightweight.

    • @lloydcastleton
      @lloydcastleton 3 роки тому +1

      Glx has a lot of nice upgrades from glass to turrets.
      I have the SLX and it does it's job. But zero stops would be an awesome addition. Waiting for my SH4 to ship so it'll be an interesting comparision. Definitely SLX is not a scope past 1k, but it's an awesome learning tool.

    • @bigjimmy6690
      @bigjimmy6690 2 роки тому +1

      I have had my PA GLX 4-16 for about a year and I love it. I will be getting my Arken 4-16 in a couple days it will be interesting to compare the two.

  • @Gmar69
    @Gmar69 3 роки тому

    I think you're right on the money. I have both also with the same uses.

  • @mostrogolf22
    @mostrogolf22 Рік тому +2

    I just purchased the 6-24x50. My question for you is: When shooting for groups at 100 yards, do you go for max zoom or do you lower the zoom to lets say a mid point around 12 to 16X?. I do have two scopes, one is the PA 4-14x44 and the Arken EP4 Gen 2 6-24x50. With the Primary Arms I use max to 14x and it shoots very good. But I think the 24x on the Arken may be a bit much to do 24x. It feels the target move a lot more / more sensitive to movement. Am I right in saying this?

  • @TheGarnerjustin73
    @TheGarnerjustin73 3 роки тому +2

    16 week backorder on Arken Optics? I cant wait that long, season will be over by then. Hell, even six months ago, they were 6-8 week backorder. Makes me wonder about their production process.

    • @TacticalBuffoonary
      @TacticalBuffoonary 3 роки тому

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    • @TheGarnerjustin73
      @TheGarnerjustin73 3 роки тому +2

      @@TacticalBuffoonary Ok.....

    • @WestDesertShooter
      @WestDesertShooter  3 роки тому

      I’m impatient too man. But it is a good deal for a kick ass scope

    • @Evelyn-mc1eq
      @Evelyn-mc1eq 3 роки тому

      I got mine after 6 months, I was pissed at first, but now that I have it I’m more than ok with having to wait. It’s awesome!

  •  3 роки тому +1

    I use the S&B PMII 5-25x56 FFP with the MSR reticle. The only time I go above 10x is when milling targets for unknown distances and when shooting groups at the range for a new load.
    10x is enough for any distance for me, primarily for target transition reasons. But it helps with chromatic aberrations that gets worse for me if zooming in high contrast areas and also getting parallax free. Another benefit is that your small shakes does not get exaggerated at 10x = you will not overcompensate for them = more shaking. Yet another benefit is that you have a much higher chance of spotting your trace and then compensating for wind. Especially important if target is where no splash will happen.

    • @tunnelrabbit2625
      @tunnelrabbit2625 Рік тому

      Hi Hagge, I'm planning on putting an Arken on a M96. Should I buy the low or medium high rings? Thanks....

    •  Рік тому

      @@tunnelrabbit2625 depends on the scope. Idk how high it is.

  • @cz-bundy6896
    @cz-bundy6896 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the content. Hope to run into you in town sometime. Congrats on doing youtube full time

  • @BiggBells
    @BiggBells 2 роки тому

    Bro.... stfu!!! West desert wheeler!!! I just found this video and as soon as I heard your voice i was like.. what??? Seen the name amd boom!!! Good to see you bubba!
    Just finshed my 10.2 comp build, went with it cause your rock pirates build. Anyway on topic. Buying an arken tomorrow, using on my 6.5 to shoot 1k plus. This caught my eye.
    Subscribed. Good stuff man. Arken scopes are sick!

  • @bandjsmeltzer418
    @bandjsmeltzer418 2 роки тому +1

    Can you please clarify….if both scopes are set to 16x, the 4-16 will be brighter than the 6-24? Thank you

  • @azilla04
    @azilla04 2 роки тому +2

    But what about 3-18?

  • @dougtarbet6193
    @dougtarbet6193 2 роки тому

    Arken currently has 30% on in stock scopes. June 2

  • @EagleEyeShooting
    @EagleEyeShooting 3 роки тому +2

    Some outstanding points I agree with!. 4-16 SH4 scope MIL is only 2 weeks backorder! ⏫ USE LINK IN VIDEO DESCRIPTION

  • @tiputipu777
    @tiputipu777 2 роки тому

    A 4-16 and 6-24 are both dated mag ranges. I prefer 5-25 or my current scope, 4-28.
    Fov compared at 4x to 6x is very marginal especially at longer ranges. Also I would rather give up a small precentage of fov for 10x more high end mag for spotting, identification etc and in general its good to have. But I agree that especially for budget guns lower mag will give better image quality

  • @scarter176
    @scarter176 3 роки тому

    Logan, I think you are right but I’ve got the 6-24. have Not had a chance to run it.

  • @jonathanstaley3883
    @jonathanstaley3883 15 днів тому

    Completely agree!👍

  • @sakusalo-tuisku4305
    @sakusalo-tuisku4305 3 роки тому +1

    If the glass is the same on both scopes and glarity is the main thing for you, i would go with the bigger magnification. This is because you have more to play with on the top end, and you never really use the 4x anyway in precision shooting. You would still have the same glarity as the smaller mag one up to 16x and after that imperfections get magnified. People have to remember that bigger magnification doesn't mean worse glass, it means you can see the imperfections of the same glass better. Not that you really need the 24x, but you have the option for zeroing or something like that. Check the following video from 5:15 onwards. I'm not quite sure if that applies to cheaper scopes but still something to consider and something people don't normally know
    ua-cam.com/video/Kd8ZD-G1QFM/v-deo.html

    • @WestDesertShooter
      @WestDesertShooter  3 роки тому +4

      Like I mentioned for hunting or target acquisition for newer shooters 4x is a wider field of view

    • @larrydecker881
      @larrydecker881 3 роки тому +1

      @@WestDesertShooter let's be honest, your just trying to help Arkin sell the 4-16s because everyone is backordering the 6-24s 😂😂😂 jk man, love your videos and skills!

    • @marksman349
      @marksman349 Рік тому

      @@WestDesertShooter I just tried my arken epl4 focusing on cars an tacking em an mine is 6x24x50 I turned it from 6 x to 8 simulating the difference 4x and 6x mag turned it from 6 to 8 an an its harder to track em moving less fov eyebox all that but I find x24 usable for varmint work an I shoot airguns a lot so I mean il get 2 4x16 for hunting an another 2 6x24 for more varmint oriented work.

  • @grandpaasa3091
    @grandpaasa3091 3 роки тому

    Great information on the scopes thanks

  • @garyburchett9060
    @garyburchett9060 3 роки тому +1

    I agree with you, and you what; everybody ain't a sniper. Me included.

  • @stkgaming5972
    @stkgaming5972 3 роки тому +1

    i don't agree, of course it's my opinion, but i like high magnification scopes, but yeah no need for so much zooming and most of the time i stay arround 12 to 18 , so i will be sure to try more the 4-16

    • @Holgrinator
      @Holgrinator 3 роки тому +2

      I feel the same way. I have a 4.5-30x56. Basically I can use whatever power I want

    • @stkgaming5972
      @stkgaming5972 3 роки тому

      @@Holgrinator yep,100%

    • @WestDesertShooter
      @WestDesertShooter  3 роки тому +1

      I also have some high magnification scopes as well. I want people to consider 4-16s as well. There are plenty of good reasons to own one

    • @stkgaming5972
      @stkgaming5972 3 роки тому

      @@WestDesertShooter of coursee i did try it a good amount more clear glass and good wheight reduction so hell yeah, and thank you for showing us that, soo cool and great and helpfull🤗🤗🤗

    • @Holgrinator
      @Holgrinator 3 роки тому

      @@WestDesertShooter valid point. I do have a 1-8 on my AR15 come to think of it. I guess it just depends on the intent for each rifle. I upgraded from my 6-24 to the 4.5-30 for a few reasons. But the weight of that rifle doesn’t matter. (Well I guess it does since I added a weight kit to it) but I won’t be hiking with it

  • @JimNg-iw2qg
    @JimNg-iw2qg 9 місяців тому

    swfa 10x on my ar10. better than both in your video for less. the military has used it for 30 years. good enough for me

  • @mossranchoutdoors7249
    @mossranchoutdoors7249 2 роки тому

    Hi,Logan. Can you tell me what rings you have on both of those scopes. The ones on top look nice and beefy with the wide rings. I've been looking for something like those but with 20 moa. Thanks and great informative video.
    -Wade

  • @Obelisk57
    @Obelisk57 2 місяці тому

    Is the 6-24x used at 16x the same as the 4-16x used at 16x?

  • @mustanggun
    @mustanggun 28 днів тому

    Agreed, great video. Hey brother, I live in Spanish Fork. Any way we can shoot together. Yes, I'm trained.

  • @TexasTrained
    @TexasTrained 3 роки тому +1

    Logan you got to be crazy for saying on Ocassion they may be on Backorder.They have been on backorder 6 months.Its obvious you are pimping for Arken.I waited 5 months and canceled,My son has been waiting since last week of October . It will be 6 MO the in a week .
    Now I do like my Arken EP4. 6-24×50 alot.
    They have bullshitted us good and for long enough,..
    I had no problem getting my new Delta Stryker or Tract Toric.
    Update....My so finally got his 2 scopes May 19th, 2021..
    I've bought 2 nice scopes while my son waited on his 2 Arken scopes and he missed out on alot of range time too.

    • @bigjimmy6690
      @bigjimmy6690 2 роки тому

      I just got one end of October 2021 and they were in stock ready to ship.

    • @TexasTrained
      @TexasTrained 2 роки тому

      @@bigjimmy6690 maybe n I w.I weite that 6 months ago and my son waited about 8 months on his two scopes
      I canceled My order after 3 months waiting.A d bought a Tract Toric

  • @MrCravin8388
    @MrCravin8388 2 роки тому

    So I'm watching this as a newbie stepping past 400 yds with 223, I got a Christensen MPR in 6.5 creedmoor to stretch things out. You said at minute mark 6.19 you went with the 24 x for 6mm creedmoor, Would you suggest the that someone after a personnel best from 1000 yards,1400 yards and beyond....?

  • @NBKarmwrestling
    @NBKarmwrestling 2 роки тому

    I am confused.
    You made this video before even using the 4-16x?

  • @spencercupit
    @spencercupit 2 роки тому +1

    Ive got both, waiting on the 4-16 to arrive. Im interested to see the difference

  • @felmorarboladura8170
    @felmorarboladura8170 Рік тому

    Good day sir may if you can give the exact specifications on the scope 4-16 ,. My humble request thank you so much and GOD Bless

  • @macthomas6381
    @macthomas6381 2 роки тому

    Great video, thanks.

  • @brandonyoung7760
    @brandonyoung7760 Рік тому

    Which would you recommend on a 7mag for hunting reaching out to 500 yards on elk?

  • @user-un5my5bw4j
    @user-un5my5bw4j 2 роки тому

    I don't know I do a lot better in light gun 1000yd benchrest with the 8-80×56mm March X on my light gun than I do with my unlimited gun with my 15-55×52mm nightforce competition.

  • @SocialRegressive
    @SocialRegressive 3 роки тому +7

    The only times I would want the 6-24x would be varminting with a low-recoil rifle or for some slow-fire precision target shooting. Your reasons are dead-on.

    • @WestDesertShooter
      @WestDesertShooter  3 роки тому

      Thanks Kyle! Glad to hear I’m not the only crazy one haha

    • @rdsii64
      @rdsii64 3 роки тому

      @@WestDesertShooter You aren't crazy. All my AR's have low power optics because I hunt with them. My bolt guns have high power optics because my bolt guns are heavy target rigs.

  • @Ace-wu4zm
    @Ace-wu4zm 2 роки тому

    I’ve heard the eye box isn’t the most forgiving on the Arkens?

  • @lukeedward7814
    @lukeedward7814 2 роки тому

    What height is the burris mount? i have the 6-24 and still need a 34mm mount and i know the gas plug in bottom sticks out a bit so scope will not mount on every mount out there. I'm local in WVC if you want to sell something too

  • @gerard0l6569
    @gerard0l6569 3 роки тому

    Great information!

  • @faridmk3707
    @faridmk3707 2 роки тому

    Which one of these would you put on a Ruger Precision Rifle (gen 3) in 6.5 CM? I am so torn between all the possible options.

  • @JimPepperTactical
    @JimPepperTactical 3 роки тому

    Great video man

  • @scarter176
    @scarter176 2 роки тому

    Logan……..would you still take the 4-16 over the EP5 5-25 56 ?

  • @CredibleHulk10
    @CredibleHulk10 Рік тому

    I was conflicted on which to buy; pulled the trigger on the 6-24.
    I was concerned you would say something in this video that would make me regret it; false alarm.

  • @gregoryjones9071
    @gregoryjones9071 2 роки тому

    Pretty Good info piece!!

  • @alpalmieri8644
    @alpalmieri8644 9 місяців тому

    I bought the 4x16 gen 2 and after zeroing in my crosshairs were at a diagonal.I got a refund from Amazon.I have 20 yr old 100 dollar scopes that have never had a problem.

  • @henryhester1897
    @henryhester1897 3 роки тому

    My 4-16 is on order.

  • @johnbosler2211
    @johnbosler2211 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the information sir

  • @dennisholle1005
    @dennisholle1005 3 роки тому

    Great Video!

  • @ReubenOaks84
    @ReubenOaks84 3 роки тому

    Enjoy your videos. Thanks

  • @nj-bz8pv
    @nj-bz8pv 3 роки тому +3

    has ANYONE besides youtubers pumping their product actually got one they ordered? im at 20 weeks since ordering and nothing. Ive texted and emailed 4 times over the last month with no response. this company is starting to seem like a fraud to me

    • @solidsnake4208
      @solidsnake4208 3 роки тому

      I’m a regular dude and i got mine. I ordered November and got mine a month ago

    • @farmboy2848
      @farmboy2848 3 роки тому

      I ordered mid November and received it late February.. seems to have gotten much worse since. I was right on the bubble

    • @greggjones1057
      @greggjones1057 3 роки тому

      I ordered mine mid December and got the scope 2-3 weeks ago. I needed to return my scope mount and exchange for two piece rings, they were very responsive to my emails.

    • @kentdavis7438
      @kentdavis7438 3 роки тому

      You should have gotten it by now.
      I ordered mine January 30th and got it 20 weeks later. Very happy with my 6-24.

    • @danieldyck2576
      @danieldyck2576 2 роки тому

      Ordered mine in August it took less than a week after I placed the order

  • @chadcowman6293
    @chadcowman6293 Рік тому

    What should I put in a marlin 1895 bdl?

  • @elitecombatfitnesscentral6170
    @elitecombatfitnesscentral6170 3 роки тому

    Thank you

  • @bbrewster1986
    @bbrewster1986 2 роки тому

    Are these AR15/10 turned into bolt action

  • @unit0007
    @unit0007 2 роки тому +2

    This was the dumbest thing I have seen all day. By this logic just iron sights are superior than 4-16. Iron sights have larger field of view, they are lighter, forgiving eye box, super clear and bright picture, and cost next to nothing.

  • @theamericangunner21
    @theamericangunner21 2 роки тому

    Can you shoot close range with scope ?

  • @jamessammann9183
    @jamessammann9183 2 роки тому

    I like the 5by25 best

  • @engineer3112
    @engineer3112 Рік тому

    Love it!

  • @seang1032
    @seang1032 Рік тому

    What stocks are you running?

  • @banderson5676
    @banderson5676 3 роки тому

    Where are they made? Good comparison.

  • @OC_Lofton
    @OC_Lofton 3 роки тому +1

    How does the 6-24x and the 4-16x compare at the (6x to 16x) magnification range? Are there any noticeable clarity, resolution or other differences in the two scopes at ("common"/shared) magnification ranges? Thanks for your time.

    • @larrydecker881
      @larrydecker881 3 роки тому +2

      That's why I purchase 6-24 variants of Athlon, Riton and looking at the Arken 6-24x50. Since they use the same glass, I assume the zoom is determined by distance between lenses as the throw lever is rotated. That must be why the 6-24 is an inch longer???. Either way I usually shoot around 12-16 and crank up to 24 for spotting duty so I'd love to get a comparison of the optics at 16x

    • @OC_Lofton
      @OC_Lofton 3 роки тому +1

      @@larrydecker881 The reason I ask is because a few years back I purchased several 1st Generation, 1 inch tubed Bushnell Drop Zone AR Optics [ (3) 4.5-18x40 & (2) 3-12x40]. I fully expect scopes in that price range to have a "drop off" at maximum magnification. The cheaper Bushnells are usually good for 90% to 95% of their magnification ranges. The 3-12x40's are worth every penny I paid for them, however, the 4.5-18x40's are so much better to my eyes through common magnification ranges (4.5-12x) and beyond (up to 18x; min & max magnification) . Even the turrets feel better for some reason. I only wished that I had purchased only the 4.5-18x40's.

    • @larrydecker881
      @larrydecker881 3 роки тому +4

      @@OC_Lofton I've always heard good things about Bushnell AR optics. And i love finding a winner among all the $150-$350 optics. I would like to see the 16x comparison because I am considering the Arken sh4 and I wasn't sure if I'd get better glass out of the 4-16. But if it's the same glass just longer adjustment range then I'll stick with my original plan of a 6-24x50, I really want to try those fat turrets on a 34mm tube. I enjoy the engineering side of optics as much as I enjoy shooting a fine rifle.

    • @OC_Lofton
      @OC_Lofton 3 роки тому

      @@larrydecker881 Understood 👍🏽

  • @maxmoody3074
    @maxmoody3074 2 роки тому

    I heard Arken quality is hit or miss and their customer service is lackluster. What say you?