Annihilation: An Eternal Punishment?: HeavenWord 7 - 0409
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- David offers an alternative view of the "eternal punishment" that is promised to the goats in Matthew 25:31-46.
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This is truth. I love my Christian brothers and especially those who are students of the Word. It saddens me to know so many believe in the traditional view of hell when it is not Biblical and it paints God in a horrible light. Death is our destination but Christ wants to redirect us to life.
what about people before the crucifiction of Christ?
@@decathlete2000 Sorry for the late response but this is a great question. They couldn't avoid judgment and would've been judged in a different manner by God, likely through deeds/works. God showed us mercy after the crucifiction. We now can have a personal relationship with God through the blood of Jesus Christ, this is at least my conclusion. God bless.
@@Flowing_Waters your answer is YOUR OPINION. A pretty weak conclusion. The quest for finding a logical/moral/ethical answer to this question continues.
I am NOT saying whether there is or is not eternal punishment in Hell, but here is WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:
Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement "no rest day or night" makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence.
Luke 16:22-24 “The time came when the beggar died, and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.” Notice the rich man is NOT annihilated but rather in torment in flames. He can feel pain, he can see, he can have a rational conversation. How does this in any metaphorical sense point to annihilation?
If stealing a loaf of bread as a non-Christian is worthy of eternal damnation, then God's own teaching on punishment being commensurate with the crime, "An eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, and life for life", becomes absolutely meaningless. It gives one example for us, and a completely different example for God...yet we are told to strive to be LIKE God, holy as He is holy.
Thank you for this true Biblical teaching.
the soul that sinneth shall die.
In God's economy, death does NOT mean ceasing to exist. Revelation has the dead STANDING before the throne to be judged.
@MB777-qr2xv after the judgement they will die forever.
Eternal life is only for those under Christ! The sheep will get eternal life.
The goats will not get eternal life.
Scripture does not preach everyone gets eternal life.
@@MegaSwissWatchBut Revelation says the smoke of their torment rises FOREVER and they shall have no rest DAY OR NIGHT. If they were dead and gone "no rest day or night" would not make any sense. Only someone still in existence could have "no rest day or night."
@@MB777-qr2xvno false we are not imortal beings if unbelivers were to Also live in hell for All eternity and suffer there they are still somehow alive therefore the three of life wouldn't even make sense if we are already imortal also John 3:16 makes it so clear I don't know how some of yall can still belive that there is eternal torture it is through jesus that we don't perish and receive eternal life is Perish not everlasting torment and also Romans 6:23 says very clearly the wages of sin is death is (DEATH)not eternal torment I don't know how some of you people came up with the Idea that god lets Sinners suffer in hell for All Eternity and what proves that annahilation is the truth is that jesus died on the cross for the sins of all men he suffered and died and only When he died god was satisfied and jesus Mission was acomplished Jesus was not tormented for All eternity God dosen't get any satisfaction in the suffering of sinners no amount of time God lets sinners to burn would satisfy him or end his wrath and anger towards sin because people in Hell don't stop sinning in yall view so in order for Gods wrath to end sin has to be eliminated completely therefore people who enter the lake of fire are going to die PERISH not be tortured because just like how God required jesus to die for the sin of men we have to die too is literally that sinple never does it even indicates even a bit that god is gonna let sinners burn in The lake forever the Traditional view on Hell dosen't even make sense if we are being honest immortality is a gift of God and is not Granted to anyone it Dosen't matter if it was eternal torture the fact that you are eternaly tortured still indicates that you are imortal
@@MB777-qr2xvno false we are not imortal beings if unbelivers were to Also live in hell for All eternity and suffer there they are still somehow alive therefore the three of life wouldn't even make sense if we are already eternal also John 3:16 makes it so clear I don't know how some of yall can still belive that there is eternal torture it is through jesus that we don't perish and receive eternal life is Perish not everlasting torment and also Romans 6:23 says very clearly the wages of sin is death is (DEATH)not eternal torment I don't know how some of you people came up with the Idea that god lets Sinners suffer in hell for All Eternity and what proves that annahilation is the truth is that jesus died on the cross for the sins of all men he suffered and died and only When he died god was satisfied and jesus Mission was acomplished Jesus was not tormented for All eternity God dosen't get any satisfaction in the suffering of sinners no amount of time God lets sinners to burn would satisfy him or end his wrath and anger towards sin because people in Hell don't stop sinning in yall view so in order for Gods wrath to end sin has to be eliminated completely therefore people who enter the lake of fire are going to die PERISH not be tortured because just like how God required jesus to die for the sin of men we have to die too is literally that sinple never does it even indicates even a bit that god is gonna let sinners burn in The lake forever the Traditional view on Hell dosen't even make sense if we are being honest immortality is a gift of God and is not Granted to anyone it Dosen't matter if it was eternal torture the fact that you are eternaly tortured still indicates that you are imortal
Fear not those who can only destroy the body and not the soul but fear he who can destroy both body and soul
Amen
Hell was mistranslated into English from the Greek Hades meaning the grave. Revelation is written in apocalyptic language not literal as John says in the first 3 verses. Hell is a pagan term of the Catholic Church not what the Greek or Hebrew means.
Psalms 145:20 makes clear that annihilation is biblical. "The LORD watches over all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy". Jesus refers to it also in Matthew 10:28. Look that verse up in your Bible and Strong's Concordance.
Romans 2: 12 adds relevant details to judgement of the lost
Jesus told His followers that, “I chose you, you didn’t choose Me.” Is anyone is of the Elect, the Gospel will reach him before he dies (maybe only momentarily.
people are blind to this truth of who God is. well done sir, the truth is plain. many cant let go of this wine of Babylon, wanting to deep down, but perhaps pride kicks in when some realize their whole religious structure of theology would implode. Trading the true character of the God of love for doctrines of devils all in the name of pride. Having boldly proclaimed or taught our Savior needs to administer ghastly horrors beyond our wildest dreams forever in the ultimate notion of satanic, upsidedown justice. I can understand being blinded by indoctrinations of a particular denomination. I still believe many arent even seeing the actual reality of the meaning of key words. the fact that most denouncing annihilationism as being unsupportable by scripture are either not being thorough in examination or are being dishonest. No one has (or can) discount the many scriptures which point to the annihillation truth. But many texts actually suggest that eternal torment would be contradictory, as alluded in the video. What matters Christians? Your theology or Gods character? This doctrine, as presented, is not universalism and its not the denial of an uncomfortable doctrine or "PC" topic. If you cant admit you see this as a supportable scriptural interpretation, at minimum, you are just plugging your ears in ignorance. God bless all to the beautiful truth coming to light in these last days. PS If one accepts eternal torment, you ought to realize that it only makes a little bit of sense if you accept the Calvinists T.U.L.I.P
actually, the Calvinist tulip mitigates against eternal punishment
Thank you! Conditional immortality makes much more sense in scripture. Also revelation 14:11 is speaking of earthly suffering.
Revelation speaks about end times, not just suffering on this earth, people are always suffering and have always suffered.
@@JewessChrstnMystic But the context is speaking about earthly suffering in revelation 14:11. The same language is used when speaking of Babylon in revelation 19:3 and we see the angels interpretation of the imagery that the city would be thrown down and be no more. Not tormented forever.
Great vid. Came to the same conclusions myself on this topic in my own Bible studies.
I really wish you were right, and I too find the doctrine terrifying, but trying to prove annihilation is an uphill battle. I really like your videos and you have good strong yet brief arguments in each one. However, this is the first video where you seem to be struggling to prove something. Unfortunately, there are too many clear passages that say punishment is eternal, and which closely tie the two elements of suffering and eternity together. Example: scripture states that when everyone in hell/hades is delivered up to the great white throne judgment, these unsaved people (along with all demonic forces) will then be judged and thrown into the lake of fire where "they will be tormented day and night forever." And this is but one of many, many passages that states this plainly. As you like to say, we need to look at ALL passages that speak to an issue and not use one select passage as a proof text. I agree. We cannot first decide what we believe about something and afterward try to make the bible say it, as you very well know. We have very limited insight into these mysteries, but God is all-wise and all-knowing and PERFECTLY just. We have to simply trust He knows what He's doing. Lastly (not directed at you, David), it is invalid to claim that if the bible seems to teach a truth which we FEEL paints God in a bad light (like possibly predestination, hell, eternal suffering, etc), that truth must of necessity be wrong since it embarrasses us or hurts God's reputation. Such logic implies, amazingly, that we will use our emotions as a guide in our role as the gate-keepers of Truth.
I used to believe in eternal torment, but after going through numerous scholars' teachings, and checking things myself, I no longer can support it.
Revelation uses a lot of imagery not meant to be taken literally. In Isaiah we read of Edom's fate : "The streams of Edom will be filled with burning pitch, and the ground will be covered with fire. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever. From generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever." Edom was destroyed by the Babylonians, but it was a one-time event.
It's smoke is not going up forever and ever. People live today in what was Edom. The Harlot's smoke in Revelation will go up forever and ever too. That is not literal. The earliest mention of a fiery lake in which souls are punished forever is found in the Apocrypha. The authors themselves derived it from the Greeks. The OT does not mention it.
@@marylamb6063 Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence. ALSO, Luke 16:22-24 says, "“The time came when the (Godly) beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The (wicked) rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire." Notice how the wicked rich man goes immediately into punishment in flames. He says, and I quote, "I am in agony in this fire." This is NOT a literal description of annihilation and doesn't make ANY sense as some sort of metaphorical, parable about annihilation. People who are annihilated do NOT talk, feel, recognize other people, experience torment or anything else; they are put completely out of existence.
Not really....read Revelation carefully, it is those who worship the Beast and bear his mark who suffer the same fate as the Devil and his angels. Not ALL unbelievers.
Read carefully.
There is no rest for the wicked says God, the punishment is forever, although for believers there's a scripture that reads " you won't come out of there until you have paid the last penny"
What also bothers me is that most of Christondom will not even look at bible scholars such as David instone brewer, who gives very good historical evidence about the Greek words Jesus used which was translated eternal torment, but actually may not mean that at all. Brewer says the Greek words Jesus used, his audience would of understood him as quoting sources from the Qaumron that taught judgment followed by annihilation/extinction, not eternal torment. The fact that eternal torment is preached as if it is fact is neasiating. The arrogance of "my interpretation is the correct one" is disgusting. I've studied enough bible scholars to know that many have this I'm right you're wrong mentally. Also I know many bible scholars who say those who never heard will be judged based on what they did know, the evidence God Gabe in their conscience and creation for messiah, and that if they called out to the creator, he would of shown them the truth. So no, they do not think people go to hell just because they never heard, they say everyone has heard something about Jesus, even if they never heard the name Jesus.
Amen
The innate immortality of the soul derives from Greek philosophy rather than Hebrew scripture.
Did Jesus pay the price of our sins? If eternal suffering is the punishment for our sins Jesus should STILL be in Hell suffering to this day, amen? How did 3 days qualify as taking our punishment if it is eternal? The wages of sin is death.
The U.S. constitution bans torture. And most nations signed The Geneva Convention, which banned the torture of captured POWs(although sometimes it was not followed). So carnal humans are horrified by the thought of torture, yet so many Christians insist God Himself tortures people in the worst way for eternity. Point number two: As David alluded to, Annihilation is not getting off easy. It's a terrible punishment to be avoided at all cost.
So the human-generated ideas in the US constitution and Geneva Convention set boundaries on what scripture can declare? You might as well appeal to Wikipedia for spiritual truth. And you are saying that misled Christians invented the idea that God allows unrepentant sinners to be tormented in the afterlife? Finally, you suggest that suffering for a while then being annihilated is punishment enough--after all, such people are not getting off easy, right? This line of reasoning has endless such arguments. But here is the problem with all of it: it appeals to authority and sources OUTSIDE of scripture. Believers actually "believe" the bible, and take any contrary wayward thoughts captive and bring them into subjection to Christ (the Word)--one of many reasons why the renewing of our minds is necessary. We look to scripture ONLY. If the bible teaches it, it is truth, period. For the record, I wish annihilation was truth, and maybe it is in some mysterious way, but a straight forward reading of all related passages does not support the doctrine.
Great summary of the Biblical view on this, thanks.
then what would be the incentive to repent? If the dead know nothing, then once one is annililated in hell, where's the regret that one is not living eternally? Where is the fear and trembling we are supposed to experience to continue in faith? Something's not right with your teaching.
You are right. Many would say, "I will live the way I want, for after all, I will be annihilated when I am judged."
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Everyone will be resurrected those that did good and those who did evil Jn 5:28,29 and Acts 24:15. 1 Cor 15 states that all those resurrected put off mortality and put on immortality. Where will the wicked resurrected spend their immortality?
Hell has never made rational sense to me. Wouldn't a sane person rather be put to death on a cross than to risk being burnt alive for eternity. No thank you man's jesus. I'll stick with the first Adam and just die in my sleep.
Thank you for the insight...can't wait to watch more of your videos. :)
So my question is this. You mention "just punishment followed by annihilation", but what would that punishment be? I mean, if you were annihilated, whatever that punishment was loses value. So what punishment could stand after you are annihilated? Because even if you wait 1000 years in hell as a punishment, but are then annihilated, in the grand scheme of things it doesnt really matter.
you don't have to eternally experience it consciously for it to be punishment. It is about justice being served. God's law demands a punishment commensurate to the transgression committed, and that includes annihilation. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die".
@@Livin4Jesus00 okay, that makes sense
Thank you.
Don't capitulate; you are right. All of the arguments I have heard for annihilation are pretty weak, and appeal to emotion or human reason or justice according to imperfect humans or wishful scripture interpretation or to extra biblical human-based authority. You are right until someone shows you clearly from scripture that we have misunderstood this doctrine, which is not likely to happen, since there are many passage that state in simple and straightforward language what none of us want to hear, that it is eternal torment.
I Agree thank you!
I struggled with the Hell doctrine for years. The standard teaching on the subject just didn't make sense. Why Bar-B-Q- someone forever ? That's not punishment that's just plain torture. And I don't believe our God is like that. THEN, I came upon Ezk 28:17-19. The chapter clearly switches to speaking to Satan and his end "And never shalt thou be any more." How can Satan be reduced to ashes, and never be anymore. Yet still be alive and consciously aware. NO ! ! You can't have it both ways.
SOOOBERING!!!! (WHEW!)
The Greek words in Matthew 25 46 are aionion kolasis meaning agelong correction
If you're punished and then annihilated what recollection are you going to have of it
Also, the "eternal" punishment " can be read as "permanent" punishment....
Also, it's called the second "death"...we all know what death is...
Also, weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth....the absolute terror at the prospect of annihilation when we discover there IS a Judgement after resurrection...
Also,
"Fear Him, who is able to DESTROY body and soul in Hell..."
And so on, and so on....
It is only those who worship the Beast and bear his mark who share the fate of the Devil and his angels....read carefully...
I agree
The lake of fire is forever, annihilation is a new thing,it has always been forever, the devil will be tormented forever, day & night without rest & The Lord said,He will say to those on His left,depart from me into hellfire prepared for the devil & his angels,if satan will be there forever & he sends those to join them it's forever.I think we can't grasp the holiness of God, that's why it seems unfair to us, but there's hope in Jesus.
@@user-qi3cj2cx5b sure....those who worship the Beast and take his mark will share the fate of the Devil and his angels.....never ever refers to the rest of sinners. Other references are "second death" "destruction" and so on. Also, punishment fits crime.
Also, as you have just mentioned, the debt will be paid. Again, NO mention of for eternity to do this.
In Matthew 25:46, “And {the wicked} will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” The two words translated eternal above are from the same Greek word; aiōnion. It means “eternal” in both. By the way, if you say hell above is NOT eternal, do you also say eternal life above is NOT eternal? They are the same word in one verse.
Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense.
Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence. Look in a Greek concordance for yourself.
Luke 16:22-24 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.” Notice the rich man is NOT annihilated but rather in torment in flames. He can feel pain, he can see, he can have a rational conversation. How does this in any metaphorical sense point to annihilation?
Please explain the following scriptures according to annihilation, thank you:
Revelation 19: 10And the DEVIL that DECEIVED THEM WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, where the BEAST and the FALSE PROPHET ARE, AND shall be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER.
Revelation 20:14 AND DEATH AND HELL WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH. 15 And whosoever was NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
I posted your video as a comment under a post where it said that God doesn't send people to hell but that they choose to go there. It was deleted by Facebook.Too bad. SO much censorship going on :(
I think we need to define eternity. I don't think eternity is forever and ever per se because forever and ever carries with it a connotation of time and eternity is the absence of time. I don't think we can really understand what eternity actually is because our minds are bound by time. I think that God is eternity itself for only God is eternal and that God is a consuming fire. When we go before a Holy God who is Love itself and we have unrepentent sin in our heart, and sin is a lack of love, that we recieve back that which is within ourselves. If we have repented of our sins and have love in our heart and live from that place of love then that is what we recieve. If we have bitterness in our heart then we recieve that and it is like fire that consumes. People literally burn in their sins. Is that unending as in time without end? I don't think so because as mentioned eternity is the absence of time or outside of time. A curious verse to look at is Revelation 3: 12.
So I guess jesus was mistaken when he said everlasting he actually meant for a short time....
The word was never eternal torment. eion in the greek it origionaly was.
Eternal life is eternal pleasure with the Lord. Eternal death is eternal punishment.
You are not annihilated, who has fear of just the end of existence?
The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
TORMENTED FOREVER AND EVER in the same place those who reject salvation are sent.
Conditional Immortality IS eternal punishment. Why do you refuse to take the Bible as it is written? He that hath the son, hath life. He that hath not the son, hath not life
Nope it clearly says in the second death that you are dead that means your soul. Matthew 25:46 states that if you are saved you get eternal life in Heaven , can’t have eternal life in hell then. In John 3:16 it says whoever believes in Jesus will not perish. Look up the definition of perish.
Bruh idk look up the definition of die. As in “in the day you eat of it you shall surely die”.
You obviously want to soften the blow of hell and it’s consequences and everyone knows God.
Deep..:-(
~Marion
Don't the fallen angels suffer eternally without annihilation?
It really doesn't say the Fallen angels. It's says the false prophet the beast and the devil
Jesse Collins Matt 25 yes it does
4 ever instead of forever and ever translate to for ages and ages. They will burn for ages (maybe a couple hundred years) but I am sure even they will see rest
Stanley Pierre interesting
@4 ever Read Jude 7... is the fire still burning? Will people really burn in the lake of fire forever? Or will they be destroyed?
You need to stop trying to explain what jesus said ....you opinion is yours....not god
Good work on the mythological “hell” part, but “death” does not win brother. Yeshua is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and HE Wins Eternally. Sin and death lose. He Wins. That’s how this Story goes.
And the last enemy to be destroyed is “death”. So while certain folks “die” a second time, their sinful flesh is utterly destroyed in the lake of fire, which is the second death, that’s a good thing. But “death” does not last eternally, it is not forever. It is completely obliterated out of existence at some point beyond that cleansing fire.
That’s the Good News for mankind. You have taken a step closer, and that is great! Praise Yahweh for opening our eyes more and more unto the perfect Day! Amen.
God please show this man the truth! Hell is eternal there is no annihilation and there's no one who's never heard the gospel! Everyone knows! Lord please surround this teacher with much Godly influence so the truth will be clearly shown to him that he will be quickly converted into a true saving relationship with you and I plead the same for anyone else who doesn't know you! Please let's get gospel influence all out there before it's eternally too late and there is a rude awakening! Thank you so much for sending your son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins and that we might not only be set free from this terrible reality of eternal hellfire but also set free from the bondage of sin! Lord you said in Romans 5:8 God commendeth his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us! Again Lord people need to hear The absolute truth that Hell is real and it will last for all eternity! God your presence is urgently needed all around us and I pray all this in his precious and holy name amen!
Chris Poole why would God need to save us from himself? why would you think it's Good News our creator set it up so we would be eternally tormented and only by him can we be saved?..
to me it seems you're mocking God's true nature..
Jesus said Forgive your enemies..
what does Jesus do? condemns them to eternal conscious torment..
Jesus said to bless those who curse you..
what does he do? Curses those who curse him with endless torment..
your view makes Jesus a Hypocrite.. do you see?
Chris: I agree with you. Hell is eternal and there are many scriptures to back it up. No where in the bible can you find the word
Annihilation! I pray everyday for the salvation of the lost souls. Hell was not created for man, but for Satan and his demons.
When man rejects God's free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ through their free will, they make the choice themselves. The
soul does not stop existing, it is eternal.
Missionary 4Christ The soul that sins shall die. If you live forever you don’t die right? I’m 50/50 on this topic it’s not as clear as you say.
Scripture? The Bible says the soul that sinneth shall not die
@@robertogarza8960 I'm kinda on the fence with you. Verses in the bible suggest both. But the bible says no one knows everything.
This is a false teaching of what the Bible actually says.
Wow! That was some verbal gymnastics to try and make the bible say what it does not say. you need to qualify that this is Seventh Day theology, why are you guys never forthcoming about who you are?
Mark Sellers God has the power to do anything he wants, he can even make sin good, and abolish right and wrong. Yet he refuses to do so, and put adam and eve in the garden before they knew right from wrong, because they could not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and he sacrificed himself to himself to protect us from himself, henrefuses to stop eternal torment in hell. this is one of many good reasons people rightly hate and despise God. There also isnt even proof the god of the bible exists, and the bible is full of innacuracies.
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Those who teach hell, or annihilation, are alienated in their minds against God. The other is yourself and all others are one with you in God. If you are prepared to accept the notion of others tormented in hell, or annihilated, then you are prepared to accept the notion of yourself tormented in hell, or annihilated. You are living an irrational fear of God. Living an irrational fear of God is indicative of alienation of mind against God.
Annihilation is extremely loving compared to eternal torment
By no stretch of the imagination can the punishment spoken of in Matthew 25:46 be defined as a non suffering extinction of consciousness. Indeed, if actual suffering is lacking, then so is punishment. Let us be clear on this: punishment entails suffering. And suffering necessarily entails consciousness.
Bible scholar John Gerstner tells us that "one can exist and not be punished; but no one can be punished and not exist. Annihilation means the obliteration of existence and anything that pertains to existence, such as punishment. Annihilation avoids punishment, rather than encountering it."
How do we know that the punishment referred to in Matthew 25:46 does not entail an extinction of consciousness and annihilation? There are many evidences. For example, consider the fact that there are no degrees of annihilation. One is either annihilated or one is not. The Scriptures, by contrast, teach that there will be degrees of punishment on the day of judgment (Matthew 10:15; 11:21-24; 16:27; Luke 12:47-48; John 15:22; Hebrews 10:29; Revelation 20:11-15; 22:12).
The very fact that people will suffer varying degrees of punishment in hell shows that annihilation or the extinction of consciousness is not taught in Matthew 25:46 or anywhere else in Scripture. These are incompatible concepts.
Moreover, one cannot deny that for one who is suffering excruciating pain, the extinction of his or her consciousness would actually be a blessing--not a punishment (cf. Luke 23:30-31; Revelation 9:6). Any honest seeker after truth must admit that one cannot define "eternal punishment" as an extinction of consciousness.
We must emphasize that torment cannot, by definition, be anything but conscious torment. One cannot torment a tree, a rock, or a house. By its very nature, being tormented requires consciousness. Bible scholar Alan Gomes correctly points out that "a punishment [such as torment] that is not felt is not a punishment. It is an odd use of language to speak of an insensate (i.e., unfeeling), inanimate object receiving punishment. To say, 'I punished my car for not starting by slowly plucking out its sparkplug wires, one by one,' would evoke laughter, not serious consideration." We repeat, then, that punishment entails consciousness!
A critical point to make in regard to Matthew 25:46 is that this punishment is said to be eternal. There is no way that annihilationism or an extinction of consciousness can be forced into this passage. Indeed, the adjective aionion in this verse literally means "everlasting, without end." As noted earlier, this same adjective is predicated of God (the "eternal" God) in 1 Timothy 1:7, Romans 16:26, Hebrews 9:14, 13:8, and Revelation 4:9. The punishment of the wicked is just as eternal as our eternal God.