Dustin, I have tried very hard to think of a question that this review has not answered and i have failed. Absolutely brilliant review on what looks like a superb camera. Very tempted and glad that Canon have stayed with and evolved the M series. Thanks and kindest regards.
I look forward to the Dustin, I was just watching your Samyang lens reviews for the mirrorless system. Very enjoyable and informative as usual. Thanks for a very prompt reply and the superb gear reviews.
How long will it film before shutting itself off? I need a camera to stay on until I turn it off or battery light shows I need a battery change. We are doing a news show that takes 30 minutes.
It has the standard limitation of 29:59 minutes that every DSLR that I've seen does. If that is a priority for you, then this won't do the trick (at least without a hack of some kind)
I'm M5 user in Japan. I 'm using ETSUMI E-412S round ring for 11mm strap. This ring is very suitable for small hole of M5 and durable enough to keep 100-400mm glasses on M5
Great in depth review! I am getting this to compliment my 6D and am so excited to see some of the features that it has. I was happy to hear that you were able to use your old glass. I can't wait to use some of mine!
Thanks for this Dustin! Picking mine up tomorrow and can't wait to dive into its features for photo and video ASAP. Have you tested its shutter lag in low light situations? Specifically while using a flash in dim situations some users are reporting up to 2 second delays in full Manuel (focus and flash as well) and canon seems to have said that is normal.
+JesseDriftwood I'm sitting in a very dim cafe (I had to use ISO 6400 to get the shot) and used the conditions you mention and didn't get any shutter lag at all. If anything I find the shutter too hypersensitive; if you are in High Speed (or even Normal) multi-shot modes it is hard to take just one picture.
Dustin Abbott interesting. Did you have an external flash connected? I've read quite a few reports of this so far. I'm picking mine up this afternoon so I'll do some tests and report back!
JesseDriftwood No, the onboard flash. I always half press and focus before firing, however, so perhaps the problem is for those who push the shutter button all the way instead of first focusing.
JesseDriftwood I used one of my Metz 64 AF-1 flashes a fair bit on this trip for portraits and never encountered any issue other than the fact that the on-board flash doesn't seem to work as an optical trigger.
Thanks Dustin. Some other reviewers complained about a long viewfinder blackout and delay after taking photos as well as the shutter delay. What's your experience regarding the viewfinder and shutter performance on M5?
It must be the way they have it set up, as I haven't had that issue. I didn't notice anything like that over the 2000 or so real world photos I've taken with two M5 bodies.
Are you referring to an M5 or an M50? There isn't a MK2 version of the M5, but there is of the M50. Typically the firmware is for the specific camera, so I wouldn't try to install the firmware for any other camera.
+Nochaser Guitar Channel I guess it would depend on the priority list of that photographer. The Sonys have some advantages, as do the Fujis, but the M5 is a seriously good camera. If someone wants to do 4K video, obviously, the M5 is out. I would say that the M5 is probably the best mirrorless ergonomically.
Stupid me bought the M3 a few months ago before they announced the M5. I do enjoy using it but I use a sling strap and I'm always worried the evf attachment is going to break off. I ended up buying an easycover case based on your reviews. Maybe next year the M5 body price might drop and o can pull the trigger. Dustin....have you ever looked at the Joby Pro Sling? It's what I've settled on using for my cameras, and I love it. The only downside is it mounts onto the bottom of the camera, so if you need to attach the camera to a tripod you have to remove the strap.
Hi Dustin, thank you for all your video as it helps me in buying decision. I noticed that you using a Zhiyun in this video. Which model is it and do you have a review on it?
Is the seconds the longest exposure you can go ? I was told that you can't use a remote with this camera is this true because I am seeing a setting in the menu for remote use
Great. I am currently using an old T3 and want to upgrade. Originally I was looking at the 80D (w/ 18-135mm), but now more toward to M5 (w/ 18-150mm) because the smaller size and the touch focus. Could you include a quick comparison (80D vs. M5 given both have the same sensor and many similar functions) in the next review? Thanks.
Nice overview of the EOS M5 Dustin. I breezed over the description but did not see any pictures you've taken with it yet. Are you going to provide some of those later in your review?
+Cactus Tweeter If you check out my website you will find the image gallery. I'm on the road and working from mobile, so grabbing links isn't as easy for me right now.
Hi Dustin, one more question for you, sorry but do you know if you can adjust the AF sensitivity speed the way you can in the 80d when recording video? I can't find any info on this anywhere. Thank you for your time.
Dustin did Canon sort out the issue they had with the M3 where the strange color of the left and right edges of photographs? I used to own the M3, but after the second body gave the exact same result I gave it back and went the DSLR route.
I like the design of the M5. I can't wait to see the next part of your review where you talk about image quality. If the quality is good enough, I might actually consider picking one up as second/travel body. I only wish Canon would work on more fast M mount glass. The only fast lens they have is the 22mm f/2 pancake for the M mount
+Danny I don't think you will be put off by the image quality. I completely agree about the fast glass. There are some great, fast Samyang/Rokinon lenses for the system (I own the 12mm f/2, and really liked the 35mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.2), but they are manual focus only.
Dustin Abbott I sold everything.But I had a sigma 10-20.I shoot mainly landscape. With the M5 I planned to use a Canon 10-18 with the adapter. I thought about going full frame but for what I do it would be an overkill. I'm just a hobby photographer.
- According to a post in the DPReview forums (goo.gl/LVh5bH), when shooting with a flash in dark scenes, it takes 2-3 seconds for the M5 to release the shutter after fully depressing the shutter button in full manual mode. Per the same user, it seems that canon has confirmed that this is by design. - Also per DPReview's review of this camera, Canon has crippled the auto-ISO functionality: "You are only permitted to select the maximum ISO speed the camera can choose, while the camera chooses whatever shutter speed it deems fit ". Instead the Canon 80D goes two steps further, "allowing you to specify your slowest allowable shutter speed manually, as well as let you choose the lowest ISO speed you'd like to use."
+Antonis24 I just tested both of these things (I'm in a very dim cafe where I had to personally select ISO 6400 to test the shutter lag), and I did not find that to be the case at all. In the settings you can set the maximum auto ISO setting. The default setting is a ISO 6400 limit, though you can adjust that all the way to the ISO 25,600 maximum. What mode were they shooting in? I tend to use AUTO ISO in manual mode so that when shooting an event, for example, I can keep the shutter speed and aperture at the values I want.
- In regards to the auto-iso functionality, I'd have to go back and read DPReview's review of the M5. I don't personally own the camera and as such I cannot test it myself. - As far as the flash problem is concerned, according to DPReview forum users, the problem can be reproduced as follows: 1) Put the lens and the camera on manual focus 2) Go to a location with dim lighting conditions 3) Enable your flash and have it ready to fire 4( Press the shutter button all the way 5) The camera delays a few seconds (2-3 seconds according to most reports) and then takes a picture.
Great review! I got a quick question for you. I'm going to be buying PS & LR soon, to help benefit my work. Do you think that the newer subscription based versions are better then the older stand alone ones? To be able to add presets, and do all kinds of editing, is it really much better then the older versions? Thanks, I really appreciate it!
+James Larsen I think the $9.99 Photography Plan (Creative Cloud) is a great way to go. It's a lot of value, and you never have to worry about your camera or lens not being supported. Sometimes I post links where B&H will have a 12 month subscription for under $100.
What is better in CC then in 6? Like I found 6 for $143: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1140015-REG/adobe_65237402_photoshop_lightroom_6_download.html - I feel like that'd be more practical then having to pay for it every year/month. Besides the whole cloud stuff, I don't really see any key advantages. I really appreciate your advice & help! Thanks!
I think that's fine unless you plan to upgrade bodies in the near future. Standalone versions of Lightroom have a statute of limitations of how long they support new bodies.
I was waiting for your review to help me decide if I should buy this body, but then I seen an irresistible sale and I ended up getting it... I really love it so far. My only complaint is how oversaturated the EVF is which I'm hoping can be fixed in a firmware update. Do you think that would be possible?
+Pokefreak 13 I don't get the viewfinder thing, either. I hoped a LOT of things would be fixed in the M3 via firmware, and that was never the case. Here's hoping...
Dustin Abbott If the M5 is more of a flagship M body then maybe they will give it more attention in the sense of firmware updates. I'm still amazed at how good the AF is on this body, I actually prefer it over my 6D
I just got the m5 with the 18-150mm lens, the shadow it's casting when I use the flash is very annoying. I'm now saving up to get the 28mm macro lens next- before I buy a flash. What do you think? Also, I'm thinking of getting the 22mm prime lens afterwards, but the salesperson at Canon advised me to just get the adapter and buy an ef/s lens with a better aperture. Would you recommend I do that? Is the quality really different then? (Because I was thinking maybe the efm lens might work well with the m5 better since they were made for the mseries, although I know the other lenses are superior in general.) I really don't know I just don't want to waste money trying. TIA!
+M Bnvnd The 18-150mm is a fairly big lens, though I haven't seen the issue you describe personally. I don't use a flash very often. The 28mm is a very nice lens. I don't know what the salesperson is talking about. The 22mm is one of the best lenses for the M series, period, and there aren't a lot of lenses with a faster aperture...and certainly none with the wonderfully compact size.
Check your instruction manual to see if the built in flash can act as a master controller to remotely trigger an off camera Canon flash and provide E-TTL metering. The 80D does this, the EOS M3 doesn't. If not, the tiny Canon 90EX flash gives the camera this functionality.
Dustin Abbott Dustin Abbott thanks! also would like to know which lens you personally prefer more, the 28mm macro or the 22mm prime? Does the 22mm produce a much better bokeh?
Excellent as always! Looking forward to more videos in this series! I love this camera for the most part- it feels great in the hand, works smoothly (the dpaf and touch screen control of focus points are awesome) and very respectable ISO performance. But lack of 4k and the flip down instead of flip out screen as in the 80D are a little disappointing (no headphone jack or log profiles are not a surprise). For stills I think it's awesome but for video there are some other very competitive options that overshadow it unfortunately. But, still can't wait to see your take on it! :)
+Scott Dumas You've pretty much nailed my take on it. If it had the 4K options of the a6500 (or even a6300), there would be nothing more to say. This would be THE mirrorless body of choice. As it stands, I'm personally weighing the merits of the superior ergonomics, AF, and battery life of the Canon vs the video feature set of the Sony.
+Steven Lui If I end up adding one of those bodies to my personal kit, I may do more of a comparison in the future. That won't happen in this review cycle, though.
Nice overview, particularly interested to know about its speed of performance, especially in terms of viewfinder blackout between single shots and burst mode.
would you say its useable in a fast changing environment, such as a steam train travelling at speed going from zoomed in to wide and taking a picture at tele and wide?
Dustin, I just got my EOS M5. Can you confirm that you can not shoot video through the WiFi remote? Is it true that you can only shoot stills, and not video through the Remote App by Canon?!!!!
Thanks for the info but if that's the case I'm just blown away by Canon's stupidity!!! What the hell are these people thinking?! Why do they do this to the consumer?! I just got my M5 specifically for this purpose and was shocked to see no video record button on the Remote Camera App. I have an 80D and love the App but wanted a smaller set up and a mirrorless cam with an EVF! So, according to Canon if I want that functionality it means I can't record video via the app, huh? Why? I thought this was the ideal V-logging camera! How stupid!!!!
+Real World Endo I don't think I have specifically tested that, yet, but it sounds like others have actually confirmed that this is in fact the case, unfortunately.
So, if this is the case, what camera do you suggest for vlogging and news type shows? I need one with a mic jac and good sound if I forget the mic ... A good daily vlogging camera...and I was hoping for remote access as well? It's not a must though.
i noticed on my m5 when i have a 600ex rt on and the af assist turned off on my light and in the menu. the orange led af assist light keeps coming on. any ideas on how to turn this off?
The first serious mirrorless camera by Canon. However first it is quite big for having the advantage of a mirrorless APS-C camera and second it is very expensive. Inevitably it's price will drop the next year as it is usual to the M series. Above all it has the advantage of a proper EF adapter which is far faster and compatible than metabones for e-mount cameras. There are numerous EF mount compatible lenses from Canon, Tamron, Sigma and Tokina. This is something that Sony can't offer directly or indirectly.
By any chance, does the Bluetooth communication support audio? If so, could that work for audio monitoring to compensate for a lack of an audio out jack? I appreciate the objectivity of your discussion here, with no punches pulled. My biggest beef is that Canon put additive IBIS in the camera but limited it to video only. Sony put additive IBIS in the new a6500, and it works for stills and video. I don't mind the new attachment lugs--they look like my old circa 1968 Nikon F. Much more versatile than the modern slots, although I use a BlackRapid strap anyway. Besides the drawbacks you have pointed out here, one thing I find worrisome is the large number of people who are returning their cameras to the dealer. Even several UA-cam reviewers have indicated their disappointment lead to returning the camera. You might order a new M5 from B&H and get one that someone has returned after a couple hundred shutter cycles and who knows how much dust on the sensor. If B&H and other major resellers sends their returns back to Canon, there may be a lot of low mileage refurbs available in a few months. A factory warranted refurb at 60% of the current retail might be worth a shot. All things considered, if Canon continues improving the M series at the current rate, then by the time we get to the M9, we may be looking at an excellent camera.
I see no indication that the Bluetooth supports audio, though that might be a cool application for it. As for your second point: I could be wrong, but I think that reports about "returns" tend to be overinflated in the first few months of every new camera release. One upside of buying a Canon is that Canon does provide excellent ongoing support for their cameras, which is one of the reasons I'm a little leery about investing in a a6500 (along with the possibility that the a6700 could be out before year's end...knowing Sony!) Lack of 4K is my big complaint, personally. I most want the ability to crop in post. It allows you to have multiple perspectives from one take (like what I often do!)
GOOD EVENING, QUESTION-----I TAKE A IMAGE IN RAW, THE FILE IS 25MB, I TAKE THE same image in jpeg + and it is 12.5MB...Now i taKE the raw image and i must convert it over to another form, example, tiff, then this image file is 155MB, WHY, whats it's purpuse to be this large and how could this change effect detail so much from raw?.......
Great video, Dustin. You always do such a good job of thoroughly explaining the product you are showing. Wasn't interested in this camera when it was first announced but now I'm becoming slightly intrigued by it. If image quality looks good, and it can perform well with adapted lenses, then I may get one. Thanks.
+james flames This is going to be the first time that a Canon mirrorless body is going to be good without an asterisk beside some epic fail. I'm currently travelling with just two M5 bodies, and while there have been a few moments that I've missed my DSLRs, overall they are pretty fantastic.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I was referred to your review--I realize it's not current--in doing a general search for the problem. I'm not the only one who's noticed it. Odd. Perhaps the M5 was designed to be Canon's first anti-chimping camera?
Hello Dustin! I apologize for the English - I use the translator. Do you have an opportunity to check auto focus accuracy for Canon EOS M5 with the lens Tamron 85mm. Or any other high-aperture lens of the third-party producer, for example, sigma? I have stable back-focus on all lenses Tamron and Sigma. Example of the photo here. yadi.sk/i/DNfoFjFw38vcgm The left photo - focus on left boxes, right - on right.
Generally Contrast AF (like the Canon DPAF) delivers very accurate results, though it has limitations in some fast moving situations or extreme low light conditions. I've seen good focus accuracy overall with the M5.
M5 is very exact with the lenses Canon, but with all, available for me, the lenses Tamron and Sigma observe steady back-focus. Especially considerably on Tamron 85mm (((
I [may] have come up with your solution. Did you use the Sigma USB dock and Tamron Tap In console to enter values into the lenses? If so, those calibration values are there all the time. You may have a programmed backfocus into those lenses to account for another body, but the M5 (and other mirrorless bodies) don't have AFMA because they use Contrast AF instead of Phase Detect. The lenses may be focusing right but have back focus dialed into them. My experience with the Tamron 85 is that it is one of the most consistently focusing third party lenses I've ever used.
Dustin, I have tried very hard to think of a question that this review has not answered and i have failed. Absolutely brilliant review on what looks like a superb camera. Very tempted and glad that Canon have stayed with and evolved the M series. Thanks and kindest regards.
Thanks, Gary. I'll still be breaking down image quality and longer term handling issues with the camera.
I look forward to the Dustin, I was just watching your Samyang lens reviews for the mirrorless system. Very enjoyable and informative as usual. Thanks for a very prompt reply and the superb gear reviews.
So what is the better camera, this canon EOS M5 or the Sony a7ll?
one of the few channels that I give thumbs up before watching !
Can't wait to see more of this camera
+georgepahountis LOL. I guess that is a good thing, though I hope you don't regret that after watching :)
How long will it film before shutting itself off? I need a camera to stay on until I turn it off or battery light shows I need a battery change. We are doing a news show that takes 30 minutes.
It has the standard limitation of 29:59 minutes that every DSLR that I've seen does. If that is a priority for you, then this won't do the trick (at least without a hack of some kind)
I'm M5 user in Japan. I 'm using ETSUMI E-412S round ring for 11mm strap. This ring is very suitable for small hole of M5 and durable enough to keep 100-400mm glasses on M5
+K Tak That's good input for other users. Thank you!
I can always count on your opinions about cameras Dustin! I think this camera will be invested in the near future
Enjoy!
Extremely informative video Dustin. I loved the intro for sure!
+Michael Quintero Thank you!
Great in depth review! I am getting this to compliment my 6D and am so excited to see some of the features that it has. I was happy to hear that you were able to use your old glass. I can't wait to use some of mine!
The old lenses are still a lot of fun. I've got a few I really love!
I like how the top you're wearing is very fit for a photography educator
+M Bnvnd LOL. Thanks!
Like always . First class reviews. Stay safe
Thanks, will do!
Thanks for this Dustin! Picking mine up tomorrow and can't wait to dive into its features for photo and video ASAP. Have you tested its shutter lag in low light situations? Specifically while using a flash in dim situations some users are reporting up to 2 second delays in full Manuel (focus and flash as well) and canon seems to have said that is normal.
+JesseDriftwood I'm sitting in a very dim cafe (I had to use ISO 6400 to get the shot) and used the conditions you mention and didn't get any shutter lag at all. If anything I find the shutter too hypersensitive; if you are in High Speed (or even Normal) multi-shot modes it is hard to take just one picture.
Dustin Abbott interesting. Did you have an external flash connected? I've read quite a few reports of this so far. I'm picking mine up this afternoon so I'll do some tests and report back!
JesseDriftwood No, the onboard flash. I always half press and focus before firing, however, so perhaps the problem is for those who push the shutter button all the way instead of first focusing.
Dustin Abbott I haven't tested myself yet but I did hear that the issue was specifically when using an external flash.
JesseDriftwood I used one of my Metz 64 AF-1 flashes a fair bit on this trip for portraits and never encountered any issue other than the fact that the on-board flash doesn't seem to work as an optical trigger.
Thanks Dustin. Some other reviewers complained about a long viewfinder blackout and delay after taking photos as well as the shutter delay. What's your experience regarding the viewfinder and shutter performance on M5?
It must be the way they have it set up, as I haven't had that issue. I didn't notice anything like that over the 2000 or so real world photos I've taken with two M5 bodies.
Hi Dustin!
Do you happen to know if the mark 2 firmware update is valid for my mark1?
Have a nice day and thanks!
Are you referring to an M5 or an M50? There isn't a MK2 version of the M5, but there is of the M50. Typically the firmware is for the specific camera, so I wouldn't try to install the firmware for any other camera.
@@DustinAbbottTWI M6
Thanks for the video. Would you recommend the M5 over the Sony/Fuji crop censor mirrorless for serious prosumers who like to enter mirrorless?
+Nochaser Guitar Channel I guess it would depend on the priority list of that photographer. The Sonys have some advantages, as do the Fujis, but the M5 is a seriously good camera. If someone wants to do 4K video, obviously, the M5 is out. I would say that the M5 is probably the best mirrorless ergonomically.
Stupid me bought the M3 a few months ago before they announced the M5. I do enjoy using it but I use a sling strap and I'm always worried the evf attachment is going to break off. I ended up buying an easycover case based on your reviews. Maybe next year the M5 body price might drop and o can pull the trigger.
Dustin....have you ever looked at the Joby Pro Sling? It's what I've settled on using for my cameras, and I love it. The only downside is it mounts onto the bottom of the camera, so if you need to attach the camera to a tripod you have to remove the strap.
+arcana1973 I haven't used it, though I do have something similar from another brand.
Hi Dustin, thank you for all your video as it helps me in buying decision. I noticed that you using a Zhiyun in this video. Which model is it and do you have a review on it?
It is the Crane model. My review is here: bit.ly/2hx6Pu3
Is the seconds the longest exposure you can go ? I was told that you can't use a remote with this camera is this true because I am seeing a setting in the menu for remote use
I do think you can use a remote.
Thanks. A very informative and detailed intro. Looking forward for more on the M5.
+tidalkingv I'm currently traveling with two M5 bodies, so I'll have a lot more to share when I return.
Great.
I am currently using an old T3 and want to upgrade. Originally I was looking at the 80D (w/ 18-135mm), but now more toward to M5 (w/ 18-150mm) because the smaller size and the touch focus. Could you include a quick comparison (80D vs. M5 given both have the same sensor and many similar functions) in the next review?
Thanks.
Nice overview of the EOS M5 Dustin. I breezed over the description but did not see any pictures you've taken with it yet. Are you going to provide some of those later in your review?
+Cactus Tweeter If you check out my website you will find the image gallery. I'm on the road and working from mobile, so grabbing links isn't as easy for me right now.
Dustin Abbott no problem. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
still relevant. thank you for the effort and the sharing. due to the dfaf, i'm slightly interested. thumbs up.
Excellent overview!
Hi Dustin, one more question for you, sorry but do you know if you can adjust the AF sensitivity speed the way you can in the 80d when recording video? I can't find any info on this anywhere. Thank you for your time.
The menus are not as deep in the EOS M5. I don't recall seeing this setting in the M5
Dustin did Canon sort out the issue they had with the M3 where the strange color of the left and right edges of photographs? I used to own the M3, but after the second body gave the exact same result I gave it back and went the DSLR route.
+Marius Labuschagne I've been closely watching for that color cast issue, but so far I have not seen it even after shooting in similar conditions.
That's good news Dustin. Thank you for taking the time out to reply.
I like the design of the M5. I can't wait to see the next part of your review where you talk about image quality. If the quality is good enough, I might actually consider picking one up as second/travel body. I only wish Canon would work on more fast M mount glass. The only fast lens they have is the 22mm f/2 pancake for the M mount
+Danny I don't think you will be put off by the image quality. I completely agree about the fast glass. There are some great, fast Samyang/Rokinon lenses for the system (I own the 12mm f/2, and really liked the 35mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.2), but they are manual focus only.
I'm upgrading from Canon XS. Which would you recommend Canon 80D or M5?
What lenses do you own?
Dustin Abbott I sold everything.But I had a sigma 10-20.I shoot mainly landscape. With the M5 I planned to use a Canon 10-18 with the adapter.
I thought about going full frame but for what I do it would be an overkill. I'm just a hobby photographer.
The intro was great!
+lamarque1 Thanks - the Zhiyun Crane helps me do all that.
- According to a post in the DPReview forums (goo.gl/LVh5bH), when shooting with a flash in dark scenes, it takes 2-3 seconds for the M5 to release the shutter after fully depressing the shutter button in full manual mode. Per the same user, it seems that canon has confirmed that this is by design.
- Also per DPReview's review of this camera, Canon has crippled the auto-ISO functionality: "You are only permitted to select the maximum ISO speed the camera can choose, while the camera chooses whatever shutter speed it deems fit ". Instead the Canon 80D goes two steps further, "allowing you to specify your slowest allowable shutter speed manually, as well as let you choose the lowest ISO speed you'd like to use."
Oh, no. Deja vu...
+Antonis24 I just tested both of these things (I'm in a very dim cafe where I had to personally select ISO 6400 to test the shutter lag), and I did not find that to be the case at all. In the settings you can set the maximum auto ISO setting. The default setting is a ISO 6400 limit, though you can adjust that all the way to the ISO 25,600 maximum. What mode were they shooting in? I tend to use AUTO ISO in manual mode so that when shooting an event, for example, I can keep the shutter speed and aperture at the values I want.
+blue If it were true, but in my testing it is not.
High ISO - goo.gl/LVh5bH
- In regards to the auto-iso functionality, I'd have to go back and read DPReview's review of the M5. I don't personally own the camera and as such I cannot test it myself.
- As far as the flash problem is concerned, according to DPReview forum users, the problem can be reproduced as follows:
1) Put the lens and the camera on manual focus
2) Go to a location with dim lighting conditions
3) Enable your flash and have it ready to fire
4( Press the shutter button all the way
5) The camera delays a few seconds (2-3 seconds according to most reports) and then takes a picture.
Great review!
I got a quick question for you. I'm going to be buying PS & LR soon, to help benefit my work.
Do you think that the newer subscription based versions are better then the older stand alone ones? To be able to add presets, and do all kinds of editing, is it really much better then the older versions?
Thanks, I really appreciate it!
+James Larsen I think the $9.99 Photography Plan (Creative Cloud) is a great way to go. It's a lot of value, and you never have to worry about your camera or lens not being supported. Sometimes I post links where B&H will have a 12 month subscription for under $100.
What is better in CC then in 6? Like I found 6 for $143: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1140015-REG/adobe_65237402_photoshop_lightroom_6_download.html - I feel like that'd be more practical then having to pay for it every year/month.
Besides the whole cloud stuff, I don't really see any key advantages.
I really appreciate your advice & help! Thanks!
I think that's fine unless you plan to upgrade bodies in the near future. Standalone versions of Lightroom have a statute of limitations of how long they support new bodies.
Ok. Great. I don't plan on upgrading a body anytime soon, so I should be good there. Thanks!
I was waiting for your review to help me decide if I should buy this body, but then I seen an irresistible sale and I ended up getting it...
I really love it so far. My only complaint is how oversaturated the EVF is which I'm hoping can be fixed in a firmware update. Do you think that would be possible?
+Pokefreak 13 I don't get the viewfinder thing, either. I hoped a LOT of things would be fixed in the M3 via firmware, and that was never the case. Here's hoping...
Dustin Abbott If the M5 is more of a flagship M body then maybe they will give it more attention in the sense of firmware updates. I'm still amazed at how good the AF is on this body, I actually prefer it over my 6D
I just got the m5 with the 18-150mm lens, the shadow it's casting when I use the flash is very annoying. I'm now saving up to get the 28mm macro lens next- before I buy a flash. What do you think?
Also, I'm thinking of getting the 22mm prime lens afterwards, but the salesperson at Canon advised me to just get the adapter and buy an ef/s lens with a better aperture. Would you recommend I do that? Is the quality really different then?
(Because I was thinking maybe the efm lens might work well with the m5 better since they were made for the mseries, although I know the other lenses are superior in general.) I really don't know I just don't want to waste money trying.
TIA!
+M Bnvnd The 18-150mm is a fairly big lens, though I haven't seen the issue you describe personally. I don't use a flash very often. The 28mm is a very nice lens. I don't know what the salesperson is talking about. The 22mm is one of the best lenses for the M series, period, and there aren't a lot of lenses with a faster aperture...and certainly none with the wonderfully compact size.
Check your instruction manual to see if the built in flash can act as a master controller to remotely trigger an off camera Canon flash and provide E-TTL metering. The 80D does this, the EOS M3 doesn't. If not, the tiny Canon 90EX flash gives the camera this functionality.
Dustin Abbott Dustin Abbott thanks! also would like to know which lens you personally prefer more, the 28mm macro or the 22mm prime? Does the 22mm produce a much better bokeh?
Excellent as always! Looking forward to more videos in this series! I love this camera for the most part- it feels great in the hand, works smoothly (the dpaf and touch screen control of focus points are awesome) and very respectable ISO performance. But lack of 4k and the flip down instead of flip out screen as in the 80D are a little disappointing (no headphone jack or log profiles are not a surprise). For stills I think it's awesome but for video there are some other very competitive options that overshadow it unfortunately.
But, still can't wait to see your take on it! :)
+Scott Dumas You've pretty much nailed my take on it. If it had the 4K options of the a6500 (or even a6300), there would be nothing more to say. This would be THE mirrorless body of choice. As it stands, I'm personally weighing the merits of the superior ergonomics, AF, and battery life of the Canon vs the video feature set of the Sony.
Very much looking forward to it! :)
Can I ask what lense u have on the M5? On the front it says rokinon?. I'm pretty new to photography and haven't heard of that make before. Thanks
+David Curant It's the Rokinon 12mm f/2 lens. Manual focus only, but optically exceptional.
Great review, thanks.
Great and thorough review as always! I'd love to see how it compares with Sony A6500 and Fujifilm X-T2 for shooting stills and videos.
+Steven Lui If I end up adding one of those bodies to my personal kit, I may do more of a comparison in the future. That won't happen in this review cycle, though.
Nice overview, particularly interested to know about its speed of performance, especially in terms of viewfinder blackout between single shots and burst mode.
+Michael Johnson That's a huge area of improvement over previous generations of the M.
would you say its useable in a fast changing environment, such as a steam train travelling at speed going from zoomed in to wide and taking a picture at tele and wide?
Michael Johnson No problem for something like that.
Dustin, I just got my EOS M5. Can you confirm that you can not shoot video through the WiFi remote? Is it true that you can only shoot stills, and not video through the Remote App by Canon?!!!!
Yes, I've seen it mentioned in other Canon videos. The 80D lets you remotely shoot video, but the M5 doesn't.
Thanks for the info but if that's the case I'm just blown away by Canon's stupidity!!! What the hell are these people thinking?! Why do they do this to the consumer?! I just got my M5 specifically for this purpose and was shocked to see no video record button on the Remote Camera App. I have an 80D and love the App but wanted a smaller set up and a mirrorless cam with an EVF! So, according to Canon if I want that functionality it means I can't record video via the app, huh? Why? I thought this was the ideal V-logging camera! How stupid!!!!
+Real World Endo I don't think I have specifically tested that, yet, but it sounds like others have actually confirmed that this is in fact the case, unfortunately.
So, if this is the case, what camera do you suggest for vlogging and news type shows? I need one with a mic jac and good sound if I forget the mic ... A good daily vlogging camera...and I was hoping for remote access as well? It's not a must though.
It seems like either the Panasonic GH4/5 or Sony a6300/6500 tend to be the best video-centric mirrorless options.
great video Dustin, you should review XT2
+Sami There's a lot of amazing gear out there, but I have limited time. I mostly stick to the Canon ecosystem.
i noticed on my m5 when i have a 600ex rt on and the af assist turned off on my light and in the menu. the orange led af assist light keeps coming on. any ideas on how to turn this off?
Not offhand. I'd send that question to Canon, since I have neither of these components on hand to test right now.
The first serious mirrorless camera by Canon. However first it is quite big for having the advantage of a mirrorless APS-C camera and second it is very expensive. Inevitably it's price will drop the next year as it is usual to the M series.
Above all it has the advantage of a proper EF adapter which is far faster and compatible than metabones for e-mount cameras. There are numerous EF mount compatible lenses from Canon, Tamron, Sigma and Tokina. This is something that Sony can't offer directly or indirectly.
+Achilleas Labrou The EF adapter has always been the strength of M series, and fortunately most lenses that I've tested seem to do pretty well on it.
Dustin Abbott thank you for the reply
By any chance, does the Bluetooth communication support audio? If so, could that work for audio monitoring to compensate for a lack of an audio out jack? I appreciate the objectivity of your discussion here, with no punches pulled. My biggest beef is that Canon put additive IBIS in the camera but limited it to video only. Sony put additive IBIS in the new a6500, and it works for stills and video. I don't mind the new attachment lugs--they look like my old circa 1968 Nikon F. Much more versatile than the modern slots, although I use a BlackRapid strap anyway.
Besides the drawbacks you have pointed out here, one thing I find worrisome is the large number of people who are returning their cameras to the dealer. Even several UA-cam reviewers have indicated their disappointment lead to returning the camera. You might order a new M5 from B&H and get one that someone has returned after a couple hundred shutter cycles and who knows how much dust on the sensor. If B&H and other major resellers sends their returns back to Canon, there may be a lot of low mileage refurbs available in a few months. A factory warranted refurb at 60% of the current retail might be worth a shot.
All things considered, if Canon continues improving the M series at the current rate, then by the time we get to the M9, we may be looking at an excellent camera.
I see no indication that the Bluetooth supports audio, though that might be a cool application for it.
As for your second point: I could be wrong, but I think that reports about "returns" tend to be overinflated in the first few months of every new camera release. One upside of buying a Canon is that Canon does provide excellent ongoing support for their cameras, which is one of the reasons I'm a little leery about investing in a a6500 (along with the possibility that the a6700 could be out before year's end...knowing Sony!)
Lack of 4K is my big complaint, personally. I most want the ability to crop in post. It allows you to have multiple perspectives from one take (like what I often do!)
At 3:40 what lens in on the camera? thanks.
That is one of the Samyang/Rokinon primes - probably the 12mm F2, I believe.
GOOD EVENING, QUESTION-----I TAKE A IMAGE IN RAW, THE FILE IS 25MB, I TAKE THE same image in jpeg + and it is 12.5MB...Now i taKE the raw image and i must convert it over to another form, example, tiff, then this image file is 155MB, WHY, whats it's purpuse to be this large and how could this change effect detail so much from raw?.......
I want to see a high iso and dynamic range test. photography
That's definitely coming.
Thank you for the review Dustin. I ordered the camera through your link! :) Happy New Year and looking forward to your great content in 2017.
That's kind. Thank you!
Great video, Dustin. You always do such a good job of thoroughly explaining the product you are showing. Wasn't interested in this camera when it was first announced but now I'm becoming slightly intrigued by it. If image quality looks good, and it can perform well with adapted lenses, then I may get one. Thanks.
+james flames This is going to be the first time that a Canon mirrorless body is going to be good without an asterisk beside some epic fail. I'm currently travelling with just two M5 bodies, and while there have been a few moments that I've missed my DSLRs, overall they are pretty fantastic.
I often mark I want sth lighter, smaller pocket-friendly, but I still use 70D and long for 6D... :)
+marioplus321 This is the first Canon mirrorless that feels like a true DSLR replacement.
Dustin - the issue with canon is that they don't have many high quality lenses vs Fuji. Am a canon shooter
Hard to argue with that.
EOS M5 or EOS M50 is better?
That's a good question. I haven't tested the M50. It's newer, but it seems to be positioned a little lower in terms of pricing and build.
Thanks for your quality reviews, Dustin. Love your intro music! It's like a 80s game show mixed with porno music. What is the name of this track?
+Avi Shapiro It's a piece my son created called "Funky Disco"
That's awesome. Your son is talented.
For some reason "image review" is dimmed out on my M5. Why?
I'm not sure. It's been a long time since I've had an M5 in hand. You might want to talk to Canon.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I was referred to your review--I realize it's not current--in doing a general search for the problem. I'm not the only one who's noticed it. Odd. Perhaps the M5 was designed to be Canon's first anti-chimping camera?
Hello Dustin! I apologize for the English - I use the translator.
Do you have an opportunity to check auto focus accuracy for Canon EOS M5 with the lens Tamron 85mm. Or any other high-aperture lens of the third-party producer, for example, sigma? I have stable back-focus on all lenses Tamron and Sigma. Example of the photo here. yadi.sk/i/DNfoFjFw38vcgm
The left photo - focus on left boxes, right - on right.
Generally Contrast AF (like the Canon DPAF) delivers very accurate results, though it has limitations in some fast moving situations or extreme low light conditions. I've seen good focus accuracy overall with the M5.
M5 is very exact with the lenses Canon, but with all, available for me, the lenses Tamron and Sigma observe steady back-focus. Especially considerably on Tamron 85mm (((
I'll take a quick look at it before I return the camera. I hadn't noticed that, though.
I [may] have come up with your solution. Did you use the Sigma USB dock and Tamron Tap In console to enter values into the lenses? If so, those calibration values are there all the time. You may have a programmed backfocus into those lenses to account for another body, but the M5 (and other mirrorless bodies) don't have AFMA because they use Contrast AF instead of Phase Detect. The lenses may be focusing right but have back focus dialed into them. My experience with the Tamron 85 is that it is one of the most consistently focusing third party lenses I've ever used.
Welcome to 2014 Dustin :P
+Enkoder Novi That may be true for video modes, but NO ONE else has anything near as good as DPAF in a mirrorless body. Welcome to 2017.