Discussing the ALF appliance with Jim Bronson
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Jim is one of the leading practitioners of the ALF appliance, and runs one of the most successful teaching centres for this in the world. We discuss how people can be stuck in a rut, where their old oral function and posture is difficult to change because it created the present structure, and thus it is difficult to change as the present structure was designed (or formed) to suit the old function and posture. A difficult position to escape from. So you need some help.
This is a form of artificial assistance, however one that is minimalistic and subtle. It can help someone to change, however you will be moving the teeth out of their balance one. If you do this then it is important that you also change your balance zone. However, as the forces are low so it is safer than most other methods.
Use this system to help you get out of the rut, but remember it is still you who does the work, do not fall in to the illusion that anyone or anything is going to fix you. Remember the cause of the problem and focus on you changing.
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You are the best of the best Mike!!
I'm lucky to have found Dr Bronson and not live too far away. This process cured my sleep disorder, acid reflux, teeth grinding, face pain, posture, chewing technique... It's insane the results I've gotten. I used it 3 years so far, working with his son Dr. Alex who is extremely nice. The biggest shift was working with Kathy Winslow, the oromyofunctional therapist he recommends, to start mouth taping. Buteyko breathing was great too. Those are both cheap options, though not recommended for everyone i guess so get a consult from Kathy. The Alf helped widen my smile, which is a little more beautiful. :) The hard part for me has been forward motion, but he changed the alf to be able to be pulled forward by rubber bands and that seems to be helping. I might get SFOT surgery if this doesnt work bc after getting dry needling and physical therapy, i think my palate needs more bone to dramatically move forward and meet where my relaxed bottom jaw wants to hang. I feel good but i know i could feel better. But ill try the alf another while - it can keep working until you're 80!
Hi there, I'm delighted to hear you've had great results with this.
I'm about to start using an ALF soon along with myotherapy to address poor tongue posture - are you able to give any advice about how to get the best outcome with the ALF? Did you ever experience any issues with it?
Fortunately my dentist is trained on ALF, and I may be getting it soon.
Please update us on how it goes and progresses! I want to get it too but I'm still very hesitant because there are so many available appliances (DNA, ALF, Biobloc, Homeoblock, Starecta...) I don't even know what to choose and which is best
I had an ALF at age 10 and it really worked. I have enough space for my teeth and I don't have any dental problem, except for my jaw and chin that are not really in the right position... I used to be a mouth breather and suffered with allergies :/ ALF made a huge difference in my face, but couldn't fix the whole problem
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Howd it go
I can't speak English very well so can using Alf make my jawline grow foward?
I feel like after learning where my tongue should rest, it’s now become accustomed to staying there most of the time, after perhaps about a month or two of trying.
When it is there, I feel as though I am able to feel the ‘old structure’ as you put it, and my tongue is pushing up against it.
For the first month or two I was unsure as to whether I was doing things properly or not, but now I feel, after some persistence, and double checking I’m doing things correctly, I’m making a bit of headway.
Thanks Mike. Keep up the great work.
One question I have is, if somebody has an underbite, where should they keep their mandible in order to achieve growth? Bite at the back, or the front?
I guess the back?
How do you ensure your tongue is resting symmetrically on your palate?
@@arcticape445 expand the tongue and make sure is pushing up all the way back and the tip should be touching the "finger print" area in the front behing the front upper teeth.
I wish it was available in The Netherlands! Aarghh, There's nothing available here, just the Myobrace and I don't trust that to put teeth (completely) straight in adults or widen the dental arches.
Hey Dr. Mike, can you please do a video on the correct way of sleeping? Sleeping position, pillow placement, tongue posture etc.
On your back / No pillows / tongue on your upper palate (tape your lips together if you can't, it may stop you from mouthbreathing over time.
What I’ve Learned
Has a good video on the subject.
On the side is the overwhelming best position
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Sleeping on the side may be the best to keep your mouth closed but it’s not the best for your body,
I’d recommend sleeping in your back using tape (as mentioned above) 👍
If you don't have enough tounge space u can't sleep on your back because tounge falls down and blocks the airway, if im not mistaken.
@@bsm4697 yes, that’s right. That’s the problem I’m dealing with now after having 4 premolars extracted a week ago. Does anyone know the correct way to sleep for this?
Hello doc! I have a question, I have a flat nose and I have a bimaxillary protrusion, are there any chances that my flat nose is caused by my teeth arrangement?
Please talk about the Crozat Appliance.
Hey Mike Mew, does having one slightly droopy eye have anything to do with having bad/uneven tongue posture by any chance?
I realized that left side of my tooth is little bit goes forward and it caused droopiness of my left eye
so basically yes
how about the DNA appliance or the Homeoblock? I've seen people achieve a good amount of forward growth with these.
Never heard of these before. How can I get one of these, do you have to see some kind of specialist?
Shlomo Rothstein You can look them up online and yea, you'll need a specialist to have it done. google 'DNA appliance results' or 'homeoblock appliance results'
I also want to know. I don't know which one to choose to correct my recessed jaw and asymmetries (knowing that I've had extractions before without being aware of the damage it could cause) ... ALF biobloc DNA starecta, which one are we supposed to choose ???
Tubbs The big cat Personally, if I had the money I'd go for the DNA or homeoblock appliance. They make underdeveloped jaws grow and move up and forwards. look up epigenetic orthodontics, they often use these appliances to help expand airways and jaws etc.
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I've been talking with Dr Girish P.V. (Smile Architect) in Bangalore about the DNA appliance, he seems to know what he's doing and it's quite reasonably priced (aside from having to travel all the way to India)
Really amazing thing to learn! I had bad luck unfortunately my dentist put brace on my teeth and extracted all of 4 first molars to replace them with wisdom teeth. So im'fucked! anyway, even with all the extractions I'm still developing my structure and face, like growing forward and make my jaw stronger with mewing, you're amazing. THX!
Better than having had premolars extracted though
@@Bwoods612 why are premolars more important ?
@@amen7692 OMG I had my 4premolars removed 😭😭😭😭
Please reply back to me on anything
I had my 4 PREMOLARS extracted and idk if using my wisdom teeth to gain my tongue space back will help or if I should just reverse everything and get implants I have a vid of my braces to give you an idea what do you recommend im so stuck please just reply something back I'm having health problems because of the extractions but do you still have the problems when you are using your wisdom teeth
@@Sariine436 Mike Mew said in one of his videos that he woud not recommend implants and he would focus on mewing + posture to move maxilla up and forwards. After some time watching videos, reading, researching, i think these are most important things : Whole tongue should push against palate, especially root of the tongue, if you say "G" root of your tongue should be touching soft palate, keep it there (all the time). Keep your teeth together, but don't grind or push hard. Also if your upper jaw isnt wide enough, try to open your mouth in front of mirror and see if your tongue is touching bottom of your upper teeth, if it is, try not to, because it should not. Start doing chin tuck exercise + get your neck and back posture right if it's not because it's also very important. If your neck and spine isn't fixed + your overall body posture you might develop face asymmetry or worsen it if you have one. Swallow with your tongue - food, water, saliva, everything only with tongue, don't use cheeks. John mew said it's more important to move jaws up and forward than to increase intermolar widtht, but for some people with too narrow jaws it's probably necessary. I dont know if tongue could increase intermolar width in adults, but Astro Sky uploaded video on thumb pulling. For anyone who want to increase intermolar width I'd recommend do all I mentioned above for a year. If it doesnt't work try thumb pulling, if still nothing, go for palate expander, this will work 100%.
take my money
Is pressing really hard with the tongue at certain times beneficial?
Yes, it strengthens the tongue so it's easier to keep it up and I've also seen it incorporated in exercises to get rid of double chin.
No.
In the description, it says this appliance will move teeth out of the balance zone and that you have to change your balance zone. How does one change the balance zone? Just keep good posture and function/mew?
I assume so. I think that is what's going on with me now. As Mew says, changing habits is HARD.
Yeah
I wish there was a dentist in maine that did this! We unfortunately only have traditionally orthodontics
I would like to know if the appliance is suitable for somebody who has undergone conventional orthodontics as a teenager, has straight teeth with no crowding and perfect occlusion (just a narrow palate) ? Would expanding the palate cause unsightly spaces between the teeth?
Leave it alone
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Are you asking bc you are having trouble with something palate related, like sleep disorder?
I just heard Dr. Mew senior saying he thinks the spring loaded Alf appliance can cause root damage bc the pushing of tooth on bone can cut off the blood supply. Ive been using the alf so am worried about this in my future since I'm 36.
Any updates
Mike plz have a site for direct appliances shop because my orthodontist is not even interested in thi s thing
Can i still mew while having an Alf appliance. it kinda looks uncomfortable to put your tongue on the roof of the mouth when there's a wire
Alf appliance or MSRE to start off treatment with?
Finally a video that is helpful! But theres no dentists certified in my state...? I'd love to get this treatment... I really want to breathe better and expand my palate a little, I just need someone who is experienced in ALF? This is great, I just wish there were more dentists available. I'm not able to relocate, will regular dentists or orthodontist be able to do the same type of procedure?
I have been trying to get correct mouth posture but i have a problem with putting my back tongue on my soft palate. I am able to do so but then i am not able to breathe at all. When i really force to breathe i get this snoring sound. I am not sure whether this is because i am doing it the wrong way or that my tongue has grown into the airway. How would i solve this? I do have a slight forward head posture and doing a chin tuck does not seem to help me breath with my tongue on the soft palate.
It sounds like you need palate expansion, there isn't enough room for your tongue in your mouth. Keep mewing, try the Alf, I used to gag when I swallowed correctly and now it's much better.
Hi Mike, great interview, I see you support the alf when it comes to gaining lateral tongue space. What about its potential to correct asymmetries? I have seen cases in the 'Malocclusion and Cranial Strains' case report papers that featured correction of various asymmetries and were very interesting. I would love to know your opinion.
Have you managed to figure out more meanwhile? Also interested in the asymmetries and also if there is any potential positive impact on bodily issues like scoliosis, kyphosis, hip misalignment, flat feet etc (I have all of those actually)
@@remusorchora2827 well that's brilliant
Do you know where can I get this full report please ?
I think I have cranial strain and I don't know how to solve it
@@AbcDef-cp3gt search 'cranial strains and malocclusion papers' theres a bunch
@@xxsamperrinxx3993 Ok thank you
Did you find an answer to your question ?
Hey Mike, question (anyone else who can help me with this feel free to help out aswell), am i taking my tongue too far back if i'm causing a gag reflex? Or is there too little mouth space? I assume that i simply put my tongue too far back since i don't really have much of a recessed chin at all (just trying to improve my future looks), if that's the case then i'm a little conflicted, cause aren't i supposed to get the tongue as much as i can back??
Can one purchase and put such an appliance on a small child oneself?
I couldn’t find an certified ALF dentist based in London UK. Would you be able to recommend any dentist in London that works with the ALF appliance.
See Dr Amir in Putney
This is 3 years later, but if you are still struggling, doubt you’ll see this but the island Guernsey in Channel Islands does it where I am, you’d have to do a short flight though
After doing this mewing thing my jaw has shifted. It's always shifted to the left causing assymatry in my face. Now it's gone to the right and for their first time the teeth on my right side (upper and lower) are touching. Only thing is that I can't open my mouth as wide now but maybe that will change?
it might work . just keep doing it
I am about to start my Alf :D
How's it going
I can't speak English very well so can using Alf make my jawline grow foward?
How's your progress?
Results?
How’s its going ?
What's the cheapest treatment option for TMJ and cervicocranial pain?
Look on the internet for a cheap, used copy of the book "Pain Free" by Pete Egoscue. The series of deceptively simple positions/exercises are powerful. About ten years ago, I had jaw clicking and was biting the inside of the cheek. I did the TMJ series of Egoscue exercises every couple of days for two months. It re-hung my jaw in a new position and cured me of symptoms for SIX YEARS!
I also have chiropractic adjustments every 6 weeks or so- Not for the jaw, but to function with scoliosis.
Now, in my middle age, the jaw is getting worse again, so I've added mewing.
Face pulling, works
Mike I have one question.
I´ve had 2 extractions of my lower premolars, (I didn´t close the gaps) I stopped braces.
The only solution to that is implants? or my teeth can move forward with time by mewing?
what did you end up doing?
I’m sort of going for the same thing. Either through William Hang and putting implants in. I’m looking for other alternatives.
Same i hade 4 premolars extracted 18F. I stopped mid treatment when I realized the side effects. Lol the regret is real.
Did you find a way? I took my braces off midtreatment as well. 4 gaps now.
@@rowda6968 Totally get you Rowda. For the past two years I`ve just been mewing without overthinking if I should use implants or not.
The results regarding teeth position is that the gap is kinda closed and my lower mandible is recently starting to expand noticeably.
I only had the lower premolars extracted, so my case is not exactly like yours. My recoomendation would be for you to concentrate on how to mew properly without your premolars and be able to expand the upper jaw, eventually with some years your lower mandible will catch up if done properly I think. That`s what is slowly happening to me. I don`t even think about implants anymore, cause I`m still having results, I don`t want to mess up.
Does this ALF appliance move bone or just teeth?
TheOther99% it moves the jaw bones and teeth together by action of the tongue against the ALF appliance
I can't speak English very well so can using Alf make my jawline grow foward?
These appliances are great but they are so expensive. My local orthodontist has them but they are way more than braces.
@@owenbarclayhow did you get them to pay for it?
Where do I get an ALF Appliance? Does your average dentist make one?
Victor Finngall its better to get Alf for an orthodontist or maybe orthotropic. Not an dentist. They don’t have the same education.
Can overbite be fixed with mewing ? And if so my back teeth wouldnt be touching when mouth closed idk anyone can help?
ALF approach? What is it?
After using Alf to secure the extraction space
Does the extraction space remain empty?
you want a new permanent tooth to show up?))
@@veronikarachek4845
Translation is wrong yes
Asked what extract to fill the space with
I can't speak English very well so can using Alf make my jawline grow foward?
But what exactly is ALF for, and how exactly does it work? Does it push teeth out?
Why is it so hard to find level 3 Afl certified dentist? the nearest in Cali which is this dr. James Bronson and 3 more. They need to train more dentists for this natural altering expander.😔
Did you end up finding it
@@xxsamperrinxx3993 unfortunately no.😔
I can't speak English very well so can using Alf make my jawline grow foward?
Anything,
It's more lucrative for dentists to focus on other things.
What about forward growth on the maxilla
Yeah
I can't speak English very well so can using Alf make my jawline grow foward?
@@foxyssbeer5612 I think yes
Dr Mew, I noticed that your hair is turning grey. Please don't let you affect too much by the stress they put on you.
'The Mewisms' based.
Does this flare the teeth out in adults?
It flares the teeth no matter how old you are
Interesting! I just wish you'd let your guest speak a bit more!
When I wake up in the morning, my lips are together, my tongue supports the palate-more from the front rather than in the middle, but my upper and lower teeth are not together, my lower jaw is dropped down a bit as if it was resting, is that normal?
Dont worry about too much. As long as your teeth are not miles away from eatch other it is fine.
Damn, I get the same thing!
Same Problem. I recommend chewing an hour before bed and also Mouth Taping. Vix around the nose and the neck helps to promote nasal breathing too. Try Sleeping on your side while in a good chin tuck position also. Do Not use a pillow at all.
@@muhammadilyaas_ I think I saw in an older video that you should sleep on your back?
Seprons its all about the chin-tuck. if you can maintain a good chin-tuck then your mouth will not open during sleep. The thing is when you sleep on your back, your more likely to not keep a good chin-tuck all night long, making your head slip backwards and therefore your mouth opening wide open.
Dr Mew why dont u talk about Starecta rectifire? .. U meet Moreno why dont u post the video? .. I bought starecta and I am using it, it realign my jaw.. My allergies stopped.. and I am seeing some positive body reactions.. it would be nice if you talk about it .. or do a reasearch about it
please can u tell me more about it? my jaw is deviated to the right and it litterally ruins my life. i also have a lot of allergies. How long have u been using it? u are maybe the first person i see talking about starteca on ytb, i've never seen that something else than on the starteca website so i assumed that it wasn't really effective, even tho from what i've seen, mew and moreno don't contradict themselves and are saying pretty much the same things. are u using their tailored rectifier or the basic plug and play?
I'd like him to talk about STARECTA and also about do videos with Dr. Hang, who also has his own method. I'm lost with all those different methods. I have asymmetrical face, have had extractions (without braces) and health issues partially caused by bad bone structure. Idk what to orient myself to. ALF? Starecta? Dr. Hang? Biobloc? If I could I'd directly consult with Mew but he only takes in adults under some conditions :( and I don't fulfill these conditions with my asymmetrical face
@@untypebanalsuryoutube8076 they do. Dr Mew states that bad oral posture and overall posture cause facial asymmetry and other facial "deformities". Dr Mew. tells us that by correcting our oral and back posture everything will slowly fix itself naturally. Starecta states it's a lack of dental height that cause all the issues. So bacically Moreno is saying that you cannot change your oral posture and back posture and have everything be fixed, since your bad posture was created by a lack of dental height. You have to wear the starecta appliance to correct this according to Moreno. Now which ones the truth? I really have noooo idea. I also don't know where to orient myself ... I have so many problems and conventional orthodontists can be trusted. I'm truly at loss
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I'll write an article on Starecta at some point
@@tubbsthebigcat The lack of dental height is caused by the maxilla rotating downwards and sideways. I don't believe the problem is actually with the teeth.
I can't speak English very well so can using Alf make my jawline grow?
maybe, depends what you mean by 'jawline'
Starting with correct tongue position and chewing will widen my upper teeth? In that case shouldn't i get an overbite? (Upper teeth wider than lower)
how much does the alf appliance cost?
I think mine was $8K. That's not including adjustments and oromyofunctional therapy and osteopathy. But I bet it's cheaper than plastic surgery, and it made me more beautiful and comfortable.
@@AnmaraMusicWas your practitioner a dentist or an orthodontist. I've found an ALF provider near my area but he is a dentist so I'm a bit concerned
Anybody form the UK? Looking for a practitioner in the UK.
Prevent Crooked Teeth He is busy and not sure he treats adults.
What does ALF stand for?
@Prevent Crooked Teeth thank you
I can't speak English very well so can using Alf make my jawline grow foward?
Will mewing fix a recessed chin?
Team recessed chin! I'd also like to know
It will make minuscule changes. A couple of mm.
3 years going completely changed my whole body
@Ramses77 Corrected my posture, now my waist got smaller, and got more muscle on my shoulders because im using all of my arm instead of just from the elbow, my legs have gotten more muscular and my upper chest muscles have gotten fuller, i have an 8 pack now. And I dont even work out now. Got more muscle on my back. But the most change is to my face. My skull is growing and sometimes i have growing pains on my temples, overall my head is getting rounder in shape.
also my triceps have changed shape
First
Taping at night improves my sleep and the u if the roof of my mouth. I learned it from another Dr. I didn't know how to swallow. Lol. Sorry can't not laugh. I wish you'd show wtf you guys are talking about though. Anyway i notice the swallow seems to help with my head being too tilted back/chin too high and forward. And then a chain reaction with shoulder blades and muscles. Anyone else or am I just weird and OCD?
Chin tuck
@@knockhello2604 yup.... Kinda feels like the natural thing to do when my tongue is in proper posture. Every day the wrong posture becomes rarer and feels "wrong" instead of the collection feeling "wrong"
@@youtubingbabs what do you think about the alf mewing appliance
@@knockhello2604 not familiar
@@youtubingbabs oh ok
again,.. no one in the UK
How can this help people who were damaged by evil orthodontist who does premolar extraction retraction? Does ALF help PER victims? I suffered two bicuspids extraction and retraction of my maxilla. I’m struggling everyday because of this damage. I’m contemplating suicide. Those orthodontists who do PER should be in jail.
Biobloc appliance is the best
I dodged premolar extraction literally by a well before I pulled out, 2 years later I’m here about to get the ALF appliance soon with my practionioner
Research for practitioners in your area and these appliances should really help with expansion, breathing posture and maybe asymmetry. For example in your case my practitioner said that it would need insertions if those teeth were taken out
Costs a lot but it’s necessary and will be worth it
Do not bother with this appliance!! I tried this device for a week and it triggered dizziness, i had to remove it and as my jaw repositioned back to normal dizziness got worse. I am still suffering with brain fog and all sorts of symptoms. No matter how simple something looks, there are always risks associated!
How do you mean "back to normal"? Your jaw went back to where it was before when you stopped the appliance? That doesn't mean that's a normal position. That means it went back to an abnormal position which the appliance was attempting to correct?
What the fuck
It's lose heavy metals leaching out of the thing. Loose metals constituting the tool
did you fix?
Sounds like maybe it did something to your inner ear... I am on year 3 of Alf and my TMJ pain migrated from my face to now just a little by my ears. It's all connected, I wouldn't give up so easy!
Mike Mew, help me understand why the majority of your in-breaths in this video were through the mouth? If all of this actually works-I'm not seeing it embodied by you in this video.
It’s cause he is talking
ya his swallowing is abnormal
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Maybe start with explaining what it is you are talking about before getting into the details. This guy on the right states claiming unproven neurological change the makes you breath from the nose. Claiming something you cannot explain as your first thing to say is very, very weak. Pushing on the teeth does nothing to change the bone for any adult. The money they charge and all the law suits … scam.