Remember this isn't just to protect the public from the prisoners. It's also to prevent the prisoners from coming under attack or being broken out. You'd have to be a special breed of dense to try and attack this kind of convoy. There was a time even in the 1990s where most normal prisoners were driven around in what was basically a minibus.
At 35 years old and the average of three parole knockbacks two years before your next parole hearing then he's looking at 41 year's before being released which will make him 76 years old. Even if he got parole of his first hearing it takes nearly a year before he's fully released at 69 years old. That's if he survives in prison as he turned Queens Evidence to try and save his own skin so not exactly going to get a warm welcome and definitely not on general population category A wing i wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't top himself or just let's himself go as he's going to be very old before he has a chance of getting out and then he could still be a marked man. Me personally would rather have been hanged quick death instead of rotting away with no friends..
Talk about a tight convoy, that X5 looked like it was being towed by the prison truck it was so close! I'm curious, why the large escort? Do they expect people to try and break them out or something??
Interesting that the locals just carry on as normal. I wonder if they do get rather huffed with all the racket and farce that goes on. Back in the day, you got slung in the back of a Dark Navy transit and whisked away without anyone in the streets knowing who was inside.
The British Police love their beemers for sure. BMW X5s are used almost every time for armed police. The same for traffic police with their 3 series. They're not cheap though, a fully equipped X5 must go for about £80000. And its very rare for police cars to be older than 6/7 years old so new cars are always popping up.
@@zeeshanshabbir172Do you know wheather UK will continue to buy BMWs after Brexit? What would be the alternative, are there Range Rovers or something like that as domestic offers?
@@galdavonalgerri2101 Hey. Tbh, brexit or not, police forces will still need high powered reliable cars especially for traffic duties or armed duties. So I think there will still be X5s and 3 series in the police force. Seeing as the 3 series is one of the most popular cars in the UK, the police will need the same or a car just as good to continue to do their duties. Range rovers are more rare. In west Yorkshire you don't see many but in London the met police have them for diplomatic duties and for protecting the PM.
They have armed police as there gang affiliated and they could have arranged an escape when being transported!! Or a hit on the prison van, it's protection to everyone involved including passers by etc
The other thing is that these two are Category A inmates. Category A transport isn't allowed to stop unless it's a dire emergency, so the police keeps the traffic out of the way and keeps the convoy moving.
Around 15 years unless the judge puts a tarriff on sentence then that tarriff becomes the minimum they must serve.Or the judge can impose a Whole life sentence which means just that. But once given a life sentence you are on licence for life even after release so any miss demeanor you can go straight back inside to continue life sentence.
No, it's a case by case basis on what the minimum term will be, usually the average life sentence is around 15 years but can go up to much higher into the 40+ not including serving more than one life sentence which rolls over.
not normally in england does life mean life.but one of these guys did get the whole life tariff and must die in prison.the other must serve 30 plus years behind bars
A "life sentence" means you are subject to the sentence for the rest of your life. Murder is a "mandatory life sentence", mandatory because the law says all murderers must receive a life sentence. The judge has no discretion on that part, but they do have to set a minimum "tariff" i.e. the minimum number of years you must serve in prison before you can go before the parole board. If you are released by the parole board at that point then you are still never truly free. You are subject to restrictions and can be recalled to prison at any time for basically any reason. Mark Fellows has what's called a "whole life order" which really is just life without any kind of parole, die in prison. It's very rare and only handed down for murder - usually to serial killers, or to people who have committed another murder after being previously convicted for a different one. It's even more rare to get a whole life order for your first and only murder. There was one person who was sentenced to whole life for serial rape and had never committed a murder, but that sentence was thrown out on appeal. There is also a different type of life sentence called "discretionary" which is handed down for serious or repeated crimes that aren't murder.
If one of them has to put on the breaks, it gets pretty intimate. I understand that they dont want other cars get between them but a bit safety distance would be smart.
I read up about this whole case, all the players and various 'crime' families like the Noonans, Paul Massey etc. It absolutely terrified me. I've never been more glad to live in a quiet boring little town in Surrey. But that Fellowes bloke is a nasty piece of work!
Life sentence just means that you’ll spend the rest of your natural life on license. The custodial part is a tariff set by a judge. This term is the minimum you must serve before sitting in front of the parole board. Bear in mind most don’t get out on the first few hearings, review dates are between 12-24 months and even then you’ll probably have to go cat D first(although as a lifer you can apply for cat D 2 years prior to your actual parole date)
I was coming home from a swimming open meet just and I saw cars getting towed away from my home towns swimming centres car park... I believe they were the people who live opposite the centres car park were their cars....
The only way to get 1 of those guys free would be corruption inside the cops following cos they even have motobikes who race ahead and block wll traffivk and do that all the way and all way bk...
These are Category A prisoners. Vans carrying Category A aren't allowed to stop and the escort is to keep the van moving and prevent any breakout or ramming attempts... but you'd have to be pretty stupid to even consider that. All the officers in the convoy are armed and there were more armed officers at the court itself. But it was the same with Dale Cregan in 2013 - why are they being driven such a long distance when it's a security risk and expensive? Why not just try them in Manchester or through videolink?
I think it's to prevent any attempt to escape or anyone trying to help them escape, once the Van's at the prison the cars and officers would be sent to other jobs and patrols etc.
Is this really necessary? Just fucking stick em in a unmarked plain lorry! No one would even think twice. Also the police BMW has the writing of BMW on the roof? Is that coz the helicopter don't know what the vehicle is? Can't miss a shitty BMW anyway
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at 0:50 - "I wonder if I can make them stop at a pelican crossing?" :)
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they attacc
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they say hold bacc
Fuck off, childish idiot!!
Nice catch from your vantage point, Sirens, Lights, Drama nice one.
Vantage point haha assassin's creed syndicate
Remember this isn't just to protect the public from the prisoners. It's also to prevent the prisoners from coming under attack or being broken out.
You'd have to be a special breed of dense to try and attack this kind of convoy. There was a time even in the 1990s where most normal prisoners were driven around in what was basically a minibus.
Well, technically, it was Fellows who got a whole life order. Boyle was sentenced to life with a minimum term of 33 years.
At 35 years old and the average of three parole knockbacks two years before your next parole hearing then he's looking at 41 year's before being released which will make him 76 years old. Even if he got parole of his first hearing it takes nearly a year before he's fully released at 69 years old. That's if he survives in prison as he turned Queens Evidence to try and save his own skin so not exactly going to get a warm welcome and definitely not on general population category A wing i wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't top himself or just let's himself go as he's going to be very old before he has a chance of getting out and then he could still be a marked man. Me personally would rather have been hanged quick death instead of rotting away with no friends..
@@jamesphillips5813 true. Death penalty is better
It is inhuman keeping a murderer in jail for rest of his life
@@thunderbear0 Not sure if you're being ironic on purpose or if you're really that dense...lol
Apparently it's pretty rare for murderers to get parole on the first attempt.
Excellent video! Great perspective and beautiful vehicles! 👌😍
Love this ❤️
Where was motorcycle? I saw some clips also filmed this convoy had police motorcycles.
I never saw motorcycles in Liverpool, only clips filmed in Manchester.
Great video!
Talk about a tight convoy, that X5 looked like it was being towed by the prison truck it was so close! I'm curious, why the large escort? Do they expect people to try and break them out or something??
Yes
Also, they may have a contract out on them. So someone could try to kill them.
Was that Holt road Kensington
Why do they always seem to go to liverpool crown and not Manchester
Interesting that the locals just carry on as normal. I wonder if they do get rather huffed with all the racket and farce that goes on. Back in the day, you got slung in the back of a Dark Navy transit and whisked away without anyone in the streets knowing who was inside.
woooooow nice video mate and nice police cars ! :-) BMW seems to be very popular in the UK as a polics car
The British Police love their beemers for sure. BMW X5s are used almost every time for armed police. The same for traffic police with their 3 series. They're not cheap though, a fully equipped X5 must go for about £80000. And its very rare for police cars to be older than 6/7 years old so new cars are always popping up.
@@zeeshanshabbir172Do you know wheather UK will continue to buy BMWs after Brexit?
What would be the alternative, are there Range Rovers or something like that as domestic offers?
@@galdavonalgerri2101 Hey. Tbh, brexit or not, police forces will still need high powered reliable cars especially for traffic duties or armed duties. So I think there will still be X5s and 3 series in the police force. Seeing as the 3 series is one of the most popular cars in the UK, the police will need the same or a car just as good to continue to do their duties. Range rovers are more rare. In west Yorkshire you don't see many but in London the met police have them for diplomatic duties and for protecting the PM.
What s conversation with the Duke of Edinburgh to join in on 👍
Lovely stuff 😏
"where there's life, there's hope!!!" ;)
Hope for what when they got full life terms??? you 🥚
Noticed on the way back that the lead X5's ID code is BMW
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Thats where all our taxes go, all that i leave the shites walk so we egg them on way😂😂😂😂😂
Do they have armed police in these convoys incase something goes wrong?
the x5s are armed responce
They have armed police as there gang affiliated and they could have arranged an escape when being transported!! Or a hit on the prison van, it's protection to everyone involved including passers by etc
The other thing is that these two are Category A inmates. Category A transport isn't allowed to stop unless it's a dire emergency, so the police keeps the traffic out of the way and keeps the convoy moving.
Clarissa McPigeon that’s very interesting thank you
Great one
Life sentence in Finland is about 14 years..
Walking the mile walking the green mile
Is "life in prison" really for life in Britain?
Around 15 years unless the judge puts a tarriff on sentence then that tarriff becomes the minimum they must serve.Or the judge can impose a Whole life sentence which means just that. But once given a life sentence you are on licence for life even after release so any miss demeanor you can go straight back inside to continue life sentence.
No, it's a case by case basis on what the minimum term will be, usually the average life sentence is around 15 years but can go up to much higher into the 40+ not including serving more than one life sentence which rolls over.
With fellows, yes. He has been given a whole life tariff. Only 70 people have ever been given this. E.g. life without parole
not normally in england does life mean life.but one of these guys did get the whole life tariff and must die in prison.the other must serve 30 plus years behind bars
A "life sentence" means you are subject to the sentence for the rest of your life.
Murder is a "mandatory life sentence", mandatory because the law says all murderers must receive a life sentence. The judge has no discretion on that part, but they do have to set a minimum "tariff" i.e. the minimum number of years you must serve in prison before you can go before the parole board. If you are released by the parole board at that point then you are still never truly free. You are subject to restrictions and can be recalled to prison at any time for basically any reason.
Mark Fellows has what's called a "whole life order" which really is just life without any kind of parole, die in prison. It's very rare and only handed down for murder - usually to serial killers, or to people who have committed another murder after being previously convicted for a different one. It's even more rare to get a whole life order for your first and only murder. There was one person who was sentenced to whole life for serial rape and had never committed a murder, but that sentence was thrown out on appeal.
There is also a different type of life sentence called "discretionary" which is handed down for serious or repeated crimes that aren't murder.
They couldn't just take the bus ?
For all people in comments saying life in prison has varying years. It's not "life" unless you never get out...why call it such?
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/whole-life-sentences-mark-fellows-15691636
Because if you get mandatory life you will spend the rest of your natural life (after release if not a WLO) on license and subject to recall.
0:11 Realised the big 'BMW' emblazoned on the roof of 1 of the X5s
That is a BMW demonstrator, they build them then they go on test from force to force
Those are there for identifying certain vehicles when a helicopter is above.
@@emmabarnes4884 That I know, I mean I wasn't expecting a vehicle's serial/fleet no./code etc. to be 'BMW' also
If one of them has to put on the breaks, it gets pretty intimate. I understand that they dont want other cars get between them but a bit safety distance would be smart.
Brakes, not breaks
They are trained to react quickly
John Kinsella was a mate of mine. Fellows will get what’s coming to him.
I read up about this whole case, all the players and various 'crime' families like the Noonans, Paul Massey etc. It absolutely terrified me. I've never been more glad to live in a quiet boring little town in Surrey. But that Fellowes bloke is a nasty piece of work!
all that noise . cars lights etc, and the pedestrians dont care most dont even look up. all in there own little worlds
Maybe there should be a court room in jail for the killers, than they don't have to be moved and cost no money
Woolwich Crown Court is attached to HMP Belmarsh
Enjoy ye porridge lads
Law and Order.
Like fast and the furios
"Life sentence" isn't that 40 years now? Not an actual "LIFE" sentence where you'd expect them to die in prison :|
no one of them he got a total life sentence where he will die in prison
Life sentence just means that you’ll spend the rest of your natural life on license. The custodial part is a tariff set by a judge. This term is the minimum you must serve before sitting in front of the parole board. Bear in mind most don’t get out on the first few hearings, review dates are between 12-24 months and even then you’ll probably have to go cat D first(although as a lifer you can apply for cat D 2 years prior to your actual parole date)
That was me in that I was sentenced to 3 weeks for none payment of train fines. Don't worry lads I'm not a threat to society just the train lines
Is this a channel for those who have a fetish or penchant for blues and twos? Lmao.
High security prison Van's with escape hatches on the roof 🤣
I was coming home from a swimming open meet just and I saw cars getting towed away from my home towns swimming centres car park... I believe they were the people who live opposite the centres car park were their cars....
fucking boom boom straight midnight gadge
The only way to get 1 of those guys free would be corruption inside the cops following cos they even have motobikes who race ahead and block wll traffivk and do that all the way and all way bk...
It seems odd that they were causing such a scene with the sirens blazing. I would have thought they would try to be more discrete.
It's about getting them through an area as quickly as possible, all officers are armed so it doesn't make a difference really.
These are Category A prisoners. Vans carrying Category A aren't allowed to stop and the escort is to keep the van moving and prevent any breakout or ramming attempts... but you'd have to be pretty stupid to even consider that.
All the officers in the convoy are armed and there were more armed officers at the court itself. But it was the same with Dale Cregan in 2013 - why are they being driven such a long distance when it's a security risk and expensive? Why not just try them in Manchester or through videolink?
You really didn’t think, when making that remark!
Watch ram rahim convoy most secured prison convoy ever
Me like
They will be out by the end of the year on good behaviour .
no fucking way. they were sentenced for a life time
@@stxrmy8450 hey, he's joking.
Great video and nice vantage point. But lights and sirens and a police escort to court for sentencing when there is no death penalty? I think not!
I think it's to prevent any attempt to escape or anyone trying to help them escape, once the Van's at the prison the cars and officers would be sent to other jobs and patrols etc.
An idiotic comment.
Mafia or gangster right ?
gangsters who murdered other gangsters
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Yuck, that city looks like a dump. Nice cars though.
Ouch lifed of 🙈🙈😥😥
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Is this really necessary? Just fucking stick em in a unmarked plain lorry! No one would even think twice. Also the police BMW has the writing of BMW on the roof? Is that coz the helicopter don't know what the vehicle is? Can't miss a shitty BMW anyway
talk about taking them the long way around
What a ugly siren 🤢
what a bloomin waste of public money....overkill. could have just transported them in a single car.
Can't do that there dangerous
i see this person is bloody stupid