I hope this too. I feel like The Iceologer has a high chance given what’s been said about wanting to add more Illagers and literally NAMEDROPPING The Iceologer.
The problem with the mob vote wasn’t the concept, it was the fact that they said “here are some cool mob concepts: we’re sending 2 of them to the shadow realm to never see the light of day again”. (And even when they said they would eventually come back, they never followed through on this).
Especially given the armadillo was their first use of a "game drop" there's already a precedent for using them for vote features. It would be a match made in heaven!
@@krefcik772 Pats and Bots is an odd case because it was originally just a regular old sub-version of an update. It was only after Armored Paws came out they started calling it a "game drop" and gave it a unique name. It was not considered the first game drop when released, but has been retroactively classified as such.
1:20 actually we do kind of know. We know for the first mob vote with the Phantom that the other 3 will not get added, for the other mob votes it hasn't been stated. For the biome vote on the other hand, they have said that all 3 will get added, the vote was just to see which would get added first, which is why we also got the swamp update. Meaning the desert, savanna, and badlands updates will be coming eventually, we just don't know exactly when
@@GoatlingBeing party hat Edit: i just realised that you were talking about the noise making thing Yeah that makes much more sence streched now that i think about it
Every time I hear mob vote, I still get peeved about the Phantom being the biggest mistake ever to hit Minecraft. It's exactly like having a massive group of vultures pickpocket you after mining for hours in the caves. It punishes anyone without access to wool and is annoying on mob farms and makes building high annoying. There's zero fun to be had with the mob.
It also doesn’t fit with the basic hostile mobs, punishing you for not actually fighting the mobs. It also just turns the first day into a dumb wool collection day in addition to the building the house. Making a bed should be a choice. Every basic hostile mob is supposed to counter a specific ability that the player could use to cheese mobs. If you pillar up, Spiders and Skeletons will attack you. Skeletons and Baby Zombies will attack you if you don’t put glass in your windows. Zombies will get in the house if you try using a door. Creepers are arguably the most dangerous out of these mobs, since they just blow you up if you try to hide in your house. Witches, although significantly less common, can counter basic armor and close range combat. The Phantom deliberately punishes you for not using the mechanic that makes the game easier. Countering them makes these other mobs pretty much worthless, with the exception of Creepers, since they aren’t affected by light. It’s just bad game design. It’s like adding the opposite of an anti-cheating mechanic. Ideally, if the options were limited to just Overworld mobs, the Great Hunger would add to the most to this challenge, as burrowing underground would allow it to attack players digging beneath the dirt. Digging a three block hole and patching it up is still the single most effective counter to nearly any mob, requiring little to no effort to do. The Great Hunger burrowing underground would change this. I still like the Wildfire better, but from a game design perspective, the Great Hunger is better.
Me tries to sleep to get rid of the phantoms Game : there are monsters nearby Me: no shit that’s why I’m trying to sleep Proceeds to be up for the entire night because of it They fricking suck to deal with and once you get mending it’s drop only has one use
Man, this is reminding me about the thing that makes the mob vote such a depressing affair. It's the fact that Mojang could've added some of these mobs into the game but didn't because they weren't the most popular choice. After all, the thing that made the mob vote so unpopular was that we decided which 1 mob would make it into the game and which 2 mobs would never see the light of day. All the mob vote winners deserved to win their respective votes (barring the glow squid) but I would've loved to see mobs such as the copper golem, iceologer, rascal, and tuff golem. I really hope that Mojang takes the next few years as an opportunity to add mobs and biome updates that didn't win especially with their new drop system. All the mob vote losers (yes, even the bad ones) deserved better.
I still say that, other than the iceillager losing, every vote winner has made sense to me. Going off of just the info from the trailers, be it actual gameplay stuff explained, lore or mechanic potential, or stuff from the videos that were just for fun and were never actually a part of the mob, like the glowsquid hypnosis, almost all the winners were the most interesting or most promising concepts. Like, even the first vote was between a mob that could surprise attack you and take your stuff, a pre-aquatic update monster that could drown you, a pre-neither update stronger blaze, or the first non boss flying hostile monster which interacts with the basic mechanic of sleeping? Thats a no brainer to me. But then it got implemented and we found out why there were no flying hostile mobs other than the gender dragon, and we found out why having something tied to not sleeping could be really annoying.
People have been conspiracy theorizing for years now that mob votes were rigged as in "look at boring mob 1, boring mob 2 and SUPER COOL MOB 3. choose now". I don't think it was intentional but looking back it seemed to have definitely influenced some of the voting (ie from what I personally remember the Sniffer was made out to be this super cool archaeology update and we got a super lame useless mechanic instead)
You should always be prepared for the internet to make a meme choice for no pre-thought-of reason. Remember, "Boaty McBoatface" was the chosen winning name of a US government sea vessel, as a write-in option.
A mob vote based on exclusively old mobs where rankings determine when they get added would probably stir up more headache in the community but would give closure for some of them
They should add a "losers weepers" update where all the losers of the previous mob vote are added back but also come with a hostile mob, sure it's super ambitious, but it's a decently good concept
The monkey's paw curls: Ostriches are added and they're initially rideable (They work almost exactly like Expresso in Donkey Kong Country) until someone points out that's abusive in real life and they're made useless
I personally hope they do a “safari update” where a bunch of the old biome vote stuff is added at once. So things like baobabs, oases, ostriches, prickly pears and maybe even a couple new things are all added to the game
@@themasterofanalyticsandwie1342 Lol it's minecraft not cod what do you mean by more immersive, if you wanted immersion go download some mods. Still can't believe that people are mad that minecraft when adds like 30 new blocks, a new mob(with custom functionality), new biome, tons of technical features all in the span of a few months.
The Mob Vote was a good idea, the problem was that the losing mobs were never revised other than the Frog which took 2 years somehow (and I think Jeb really pushed for it, seeing how mutch he loves his Chest Boat)
I think if they did a vote with returning options every 6 months for their drops, people would be much happier. i loved the vote, it was fun. people didn't like it because mobs would get boxed never to be seen again, so it put the stakes WAY too high for silly block game. more frequent votes, with options that return if lost, and 1 new option every time, would win them a TON of community support. the community has always been a MASSIVE part in shaping updates, it feels like we're being left out of decisions entirely now. very cold. :(
The pale gardens and creaking isn't too bad but it would have probably been better if we did get an update that included or was based around a vote that didn't win. Just to receive a little bit of trust back from the fans.
I’m about 90% sure that the devs have stated several times that mob vote losers (except the 3 from the phantom vote) are never barred from coming to the game eventually. Just that it’s not a priority and have been shoved to the back burner. It’s clear that while they are still releasing new content with these drops, their true focus is refactoring the game to make it fully data driven. They don’t want to work on something big with a bunch of new unique code that will then have to get redone later to fit with the rest of the modular code. Let them finish overhauling the components, then they can get to adding losers of these votes.
"are never barred from coming to the game eventually." Well at this point they have been barred because they've had more than half a decade to add any of them, and we lost a perfect opportunity months ago
@@EmperorPenguin1217 "we lost a perfect opportunity months ago" No we never lost a perfect opportunity. There is never 'perfect opportunity' to add something to a game. Also the mob votes where just ideas, so just as there's nothing stopping them from coming back theres nothing saying they will be implemented. We just have to wait and see.
@@404maxnotfound "No we never lost a perfect opportunity." >Both tuff and copper golems are proposed concepts >Both lose >"Mobs can return!" >Makes update that specifically focuses on these two materials >Doesn't add the two specific things that fit perfectly >"There is never a perfect opportunity" ?????? "Also the mob votes where just ideas" They specifically said they could return.
Honestly, between an annoying blaze that will just waste your time, an mob that just steals your stuff, a underwater creature that will just annoy you when exploring and the first flying hostile mob that you can sleep off... I bet people would be crying over that loss
The thing that truly maddens me about the mob vote is they said they would bring the mobs that didn't win the vote in at a later date. The Tuff and Copper golem were a Perfect Fit for the Trial Chambers, yet they didn't bring them.
See here's the thing right. If we didnt know about them, it wouldnt hurt to lose them, but they elected to create that system where there was always going to be something you wanted and couldnt have. For me, it was definitely the crab. Block reach has a huge effect on the game, it's something I have regularly in modded minecraft, and it has a big effect not only on building which is something basically everyone spends a good amount of time doing but also on mining in caves which is something most people also do a good amount of. If it had never been on the table publicly, I would still be blissfully unaware that it was shelved in favor of dog armor that a large number of players will never even use. In an attempt to be interactive, they showcased things that players desperately want but can't have. There is a reason so many of those things have simply been modded into the game: because Mojang is so slow at releasing content for vanilla that modders and players feel the need to take matters into their own hands since we know it could be years or even decades before they consider making those a reality in vanilla. I'm glad the mob vote got removed, because all it did was rub in our faces how little they actually put out in vanilla, and contrast how much more engaged and active the mod community is compared to the devs.
Btw Increased block range was added to the game(It's a custom attribute you can add to items). Because unlike what you may claim Mojang does add a fck ton of features each update. Just because you are not aware of what they are adding doesn't mean they "rub in our faces how little they actually put out in vanilla".
@@404maxnotfound "Btw Increased block range was added to the game(It's a custom attribute you can add to items)." Commands and attributes are NOT items/survival friendly features. "Mojang does add a fck ton of features each update." No they don't lmao
Also "and contrast how much more engaged and active the mod community is compared to the devs." There are only like 50-60 devs working at mojang they have to deal with things like quality control, bugfixing, how well the features interact with the rest of minecraft, if it fits with the rest of minecraft, doesn't break mods, doesn't break technical minecraft features redstoners use, etc. There are thousands of modders that don't really have to deal with any of that just as long as the mod sorta works publish it.
@@404maxnotfound "quality control" Yeah because everything after 1.16 was totally well designed and belongs in the game. Nothing screams quality like sniffers, archaeology in its entirety or anything in the winter drop "how well the features interact with the rest of minecraft" Boy wouldn't it suck if most of the features post-1.16 were either single-use and/or redundant outright? I sure do hope that doesn't happen "doesn't break mods" All updates break mods regardless of how good they are "doesn't break technical minecraft features redstoners use" I guess that explains why they keep spamming copypaste blocks. Can't break features if you just add the same exact features you already added before.
Good ending: All of these mobs are being added, there is no mob vote Bad ending: There will be a mod vote happening between these mobs that lost Sad ending: There is no mob vote, and none of these mobs will ever get added
I'm still advocating for a "Patch-up and Catch-up" update that brings in all the stuff that's been teased and promised over the years and also heavily focuses on the backend of Minecraft and fixes the performance issues of the game, if a punch of modders in their spare time can manage to add a couple 100 fps to the game, it's really an embarrassment that a billion dollar company like Mojang can't manage the same or at least just half of that.
They need to add a mob cap to bedrock edition Also making it more clear when your world is now multiplayer would help if you use a custom skin instead of defaulting to a random preset one making you think your custom skin is messed up
@@superNova5837 Oh right, Bedrock exists, well trying to clean up that buggy mess might take a few years but yeah if they demand money for it they should at put some extra care into that as well. However I'm mainly hoping that they would at least fix the performance on Java since modders have already proven that it's totally possible to do so and should in theory be even easier for Mojang with all the backend access they have.
The copper and tuff golems would’ve made for perfect additions in the 1.21 update, you know, the update that added so many new uses for copper and tuff
I think the only issue with the mob vote was we had 0 idea of if and when they would bring mob vote stuff in. We knew stuff could come back but that doesn’t mean it would come to the game. Not to mention we only had I think one mob bought in that lost so far.
I’d love for an Update That Changed The World 2 where they just add all of the biome vote “losers” that they said would eventually get added and still haven’t been (Badlands, Savannah, Desert, and maybe add those new Birch Forests that were planned but scrapped from 1.19)
I really hope they add all the desert related stuff into one update, like the Savanna, Badlands, and Desert stuff, it’d make sense for a big update, but I also hope they’d add the Moobloom, buttercups, flower biomes, and birch forest stuff all in one update as well. It sounds very easy on paper, and would just make sense
still hate we didn't get th golems for 1.21... like bruh they fit perfectly, Mojang adds what Mojang wants, if you can't see that look at how they have displayed almost every vote winner
Haven't watched the video and Unrelated. They say getting permission to add stuff to minecraft is difficult but they only add 1 creature and when there were mob votes? Didn't that mean they already had permission to add all those 3 because they were able to promote those 3 mobs?
So, the thing about the mob votes is, the community keeps hoping that the mob will bring cool new things. Like how people thought the glow squid qould bring underwater lighting or other things, and how we hoped that the armadillo would bring more to the savanna. We hoped the sniffer would be able to dig up plants that actually have a use. However, mojang just left us with the mob, and almost no extra features attached to it, most mobs didnt even fit the theme of the update. So much wasted potential.
It's called, developers not having infinite time to develop features, so they thought it would be a good idea to have the community pick on what they spend their time on. But the community complained enough about it they shut it down entirely.
It would be fun if instead of having the mob votes(I know it's gone now), it will be cool if they selected on of the previous mobs from other mob votes and added them. That would make it hype since we don't know which mob it would be
In regards to the outcome of the biome vote, I do believe in the trailer they said something along the lines of the audience is voting for which biome would be updated FIRST, meaning they intended to update each of them in time. So far that’s been the case aside from the desert with both mountain and swamp biomes having updates.
@@EmperorPenguin1217yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But ig if you consider stuff like the lush fields and snowy peaks to be apart of the mountains then the same can be said about swamps
That would probably take years. Since each mob had it's own custom set of features they would have to implement from stratch and then there's the biomes updates/blocks etc. For reference it took them a few months to implement the pale garden.
I think this is why they’re trying to have more of the game be driven by data values Makes things more modular Need a mob that can spit out particles great now any mob or mod can plug into that functionality
The whole point of the mob vote was the devs don't have time to add all 3 so they did a vote to see which idea the community was most intrested in. Then the community complained so much about the mob vote mojang decided to remove it all together.
@@404maxnotfoundi also think that its unrealistic to add all three mobs, but you cant tell me that the glow squid's mob vote want heavily biased because dream. I think its really unfortunate that one guy was able to decide what mob got in because millions of children follow his lead
@@404maxnotfound Does Microsoft (a 3 trillion dollar company) not have the resources to fund adding multiple mobs to Minecraft at once? I don't like the sentiment that Mojang/Microsoft are the underdogs here and that it's so so difficult to please the Minecraft community. They could make legitimately good changes if they wanted to, but then again altruism doesn't make you a trillion dollars.
I still to this day want a desert update! Palm Trees, Oasis, Sand storms, any desert exclusive mob! It's good that the desert is a little baron, but it should still be interesting.
Yeah it's wild, minecrafters when mob vote: "I hate the mob vote the actually useful/cool mobs never get picked". Minecrafters when mob vote gets removed: "I wish we still had mob vote because this current batch of free content is not good enough." What did people expect to happen when community made it clear to mojang they hated it?
@@404maxnotfound I don't think anyone who wanted the mob vote gone wants it back. The fact that it's a *vote* is inherently a huge problem. I could go on for around 10 or 20 sentences about this. You are misinterpreting things.
I feel the mob vote would still work if they didn't have new mobs to vote on every time. It would've been cool to vote on past mobs that didn't win the votes. (Not the neather ones tho. I don't need even more deaths there. Skill issue)
Might as well since iOS users basically were told “we fixed bugs and made it run better” Meanwhile they overhauled the world gen and added a bunch of new stuff
Part of me is a tiny bit glad Moobloom didn't win the vote because, from modders' desires to have it, we have the Moobloom we were shown plus tons of variations that, if it won and Mojang had implemented it, I doubt we'd have.
1:50 To this day Im happy we didn't get penguins into the game. Animals as despicable as dolphins. Even, if I would have preferred Crabs - Armadillos were good choice, as they add to relatively empty biome, they are cute and the subsequent changes to dogs and other pet animals that came from this were really good and valid. 2:40 Glow Squids are great. Game would have been so much worse without the glow ink. And they add a lot of cool atmosphere to deepest waters. And they are really cute as well. I can survive without another boring cow (mooshrooms already are relatively exactly that - we didn't need a third one - especial now that we also got Sniffer) and icy dude even if likely would be fun, it always felt like weird gnome thing, that probably would have been more annoying than useful and kinda felt out of place for the biome it was supposed to spawn in. I don't especially like witches either and it always felt like uglier ice witch to me. Definitely would have voted Glow Squid, if given an opportunity today. With Iceologer going as second. However, if they added it post Cave and Cliffs with an Ice Cave biome, and additional maze like structure with Iceologer as a boss? That probably would have been the only case I would have picked it over the Squid. 3:25 Mob Votes didnt work in that form. And they did say we still have different ways of input into the game. I think more valid ideas would be mechanics based votes, where they go for single mechanic and let us pick how it gets implemented. Lamas vs Alpacas is good example for such vote, tbh (still don't get how Alpacas lost). Same with the cat patterns vote.
Glow squid shouldnt have won. The moobloom and iceolloger are so cool, especially their party animations the glow squid for me is a symbol of all the things i hate about minecraft.
Realistically they would be shooting themselves in the foot about a dozen times over if they didn't add all of these mobs at some point. All of them would bring so much to the game that I feel would be more positive than negative in the long-run, attachment to a more familiar game aside.
In retrospect: The Phantom was the most unique choice in 2017 I think, it had good contenders but ultimately it was Mojang's poor implementation and just straight up lying about what the mob would do or how it would be a threat that made it so bad in present day. The Glow squid was truly the worst possible choice out of the three, ultimately it won due to influencer interference (you know which dirty creature I'm talking about) and completely unfounded speculation based off a few frames of animation. This one is the fault of the community, Moobloom or Chillager would've been equally preferable options over the Glow Squid. The Allay again I believe was the most unique choice in 2021, randomized redstone and lighting dark areas were not worthwhile mechanics for the Glare or Copper Golem, and I think this once again just falls on Mojang for poor implementation, as the potential was huge and the actual use cases are almost nothing. The Sniffer was partially Mojang's poor implementation, the mob itself has an interesting design and is unique in the way it is spawned, however Mojang completely failed to deliver anything even remotely interesting with the new plants, and ultimately the sniffer was completely useless. The Tuff Golem was awful, being a glorified item frame, and the Rascal in the animations shown gave absolutely pitiful loot making it extremely unappealing. Perhaps if it had been shown giving diamonds, redstone, or lapis, it could have sparked some interest in a potential Rascal farm, but nobody wants an enchanted iron shovel generator. The Armadillo in my opinion was the worst mob of the three, people voted through rose tinted goggles for the old days of Minecraft when wolves were actually something they did, but they were never useful, and they never will be. The Crab was objectively the most mechanically useful option as well as being a very good option for bringing life to beaches and oceans alongside Turtles and Dolphins. The Penguin.. well it was sort of cute, but they chose Macaroni Penguins instead of Emperor Penguins, which basically ruined the iconic "Penguin" style people would usually expect, combined with its mediocre abilities and it was never going to win. The Biome votes I won't complain about too much, since I feel as though they're likely to eventually make it into the game, however they lied about fireflies and mangrove swamps are not interesting or enjoyable to traverse or explore, the blocks and mobs were good though, and I'd love to see the Badlands or Desert updates next.
I truly don’t understand why mob/biome votes were ever a thing. Looking at the glow squid, i dont know why that couldn’t just be a free mob along others? It literally doesn’t do anything! It’s literally a retextured squid! Why can’t we just have a bunch of normal ass animals instead of just a single one per year? We didn’t have to vote on having fish in the game!
@@EmperorPenguin1217 I mean the iceologer is also a retextured illager pretty sure if that was the mob that was implemented people would just complain in the same way saying why didn't we implement the glow squid I can't read the text on signs.
Did you forget the fact that 1.18 was the update where the massively overhauled the terrain generation. Like yeah of course the mob they added in that mob vote wouldn't have much functionality because they were focused on terrain even the moobloom or iceologer is just a retextured version of a mob.
@@404maxnotfoundsaying the Iceologer is a retexture is like saying the Ender Dragon is a retextured Ghast. If you have to lie to make your point, it’s probably not a very good point.
If I could mod, I'd make one that adds the lost mobs to Minecraft (with my lil twist) instantly! Especially the moobloom, I miss them... Oh and for the last vote, I chose armadillo, reason? Well think about the swamp, it has been recently updated, and had a "native" species, sorry crabs. The snowy areas? Have the polar bear, although I did want the penguin... Also I don't like rock hopper penguins much they look weird idk. Now the savanna, had no native species and hadn't been updated in forever, well now it has a native mob! It's sad but hey, that was just reasoning
these sprites feel like looking into an alternate timeline, really hope some of those mobs will see the light of day eventually
I hope this too. I feel like
The Iceologer has a high chance given what’s been said about wanting to add more Illagers and literally NAMEDROPPING The Iceologer.
The problem with the mob vote wasn’t the concept, it was the fact that they said “here are some cool mob concepts: we’re sending 2 of them to the shadow realm to never see the light of day again”. (And even when they said they would eventually come back, they never followed through on this).
Mods
Considering how we lost a blue-moon level perfect opportunity to have the copper and tuff golems I highly doubt it'll happen at this point
I hope that now that they votes are gone that they're gonna walk back and start working on the mobs that never were
The yet to be added biomes would be perfect for the new "game drops" updates they are doing
Especially given the armadillo was their first use of a "game drop" there's already a precedent for using them for vote features. It would be a match made in heaven!
Too perfect for mojang. None would be added at least with in the next 3 updates
@@heyheyitsjae2475 Not really, there was one other before that, that had for example the bat remodel.
Edit: it was mentioned in an article.
I hope that's why they switched to the new release model, but it's probably just a whole lotta copium.
@@krefcik772 Pats and Bots is an odd case because it was originally just a regular old sub-version of an update. It was only after Armored Paws came out they started calling it a "game drop" and gave it a unique name. It was not considered the first game drop when released, but has been retroactively classified as such.
1:20 actually we do kind of know. We know for the first mob vote with the Phantom that the other 3 will not get added, for the other mob votes it hasn't been stated. For the biome vote on the other hand, they have said that all 3 will get added, the vote was just to see which would get added first, which is why we also got the swamp update. Meaning the desert, savanna, and badlands updates will be coming eventually, we just don't know exactly when
Today i found out that there was technically a mob vote between the Llama and the Alpaca
the alpaca should have won :(
@@juanavila3307 I mean they are very similar, the only difference would be the name, There should be a vanilla tweaks to change llamas to alpacas.
I voted in that
Jup it was
there was also one exclusive to China, that had (I think) the choice between pandas, river dolphins, monkeys and crocodiles.
2:50 I've always wanted to see Fundy and Phoenix fight over chicken guts while wearing party hats
Those aren't chicken guts 😭
They are these celebration thinfs that idk the name
@@GoatlingBeing party hat
Edit: i just realised that you were talking about the noise making thing
Yeah that makes much more sence streched now that i think about it
Every time I hear mob vote, I still get peeved about the Phantom being the biggest mistake ever to hit Minecraft. It's exactly like having a massive group of vultures pickpocket you after mining for hours in the caves. It punishes anyone without access to wool and is annoying on mob farms and makes building high annoying. There's zero fun to be had with the mob.
It also doesn’t fit with the basic hostile mobs, punishing you for not actually fighting the mobs. It also just turns the first day into a dumb wool collection day in addition to the building the house. Making a bed should be a choice. Every basic hostile mob is supposed to counter a specific ability that the player could use to cheese mobs. If you pillar up, Spiders and Skeletons will attack you. Skeletons and Baby Zombies will attack you if you don’t put glass in your windows. Zombies will get in the house if you try using a door. Creepers are arguably the most dangerous out of these mobs, since they just blow you up if you try to hide in your house. Witches, although significantly less common, can counter basic armor and close range combat.
The Phantom deliberately punishes you for not using the mechanic that makes the game easier. Countering them makes these other mobs pretty much worthless, with the exception of Creepers, since they aren’t affected by light. It’s just bad game design. It’s like adding the opposite of an anti-cheating mechanic.
Ideally, if the options were limited to just Overworld mobs, the Great Hunger would add to the most to this challenge, as burrowing underground would allow it to attack players digging beneath the dirt. Digging a three block hole and patching it up is still the single most effective counter to nearly any mob, requiring little to no effort to do. The Great Hunger burrowing underground would change this. I still like the Wildfire better, but from a game design perspective, the Great Hunger is better.
Me tries to sleep to get rid of the phantoms
Game : there are monsters nearby
Me: no shit that’s why I’m trying to sleep
Proceeds to be up for the entire night because of it
They fricking suck to deal with and once you get mending it’s drop only has one use
Man, this is reminding me about the thing that makes the mob vote such a depressing affair.
It's the fact that Mojang could've added some of these mobs into the game but didn't because they weren't the most popular choice.
After all, the thing that made the mob vote so unpopular was that we decided which 1 mob would make it into the game and which 2 mobs would never see the light of day.
All the mob vote winners deserved to win their respective votes (barring the glow squid) but I would've loved to see mobs such as the copper golem, iceologer, rascal, and tuff golem.
I really hope that Mojang takes the next few years as an opportunity to add mobs and biome updates that didn't win especially with their new drop system. All the mob vote losers (yes, even the bad ones) deserved better.
Yeah now that tuff and copper are so prevalent tricky trials would’ve been the perfect time since you’d get a crap load of both blocks
Glow squid would be cool if it actually, you know, glowed underwater
I still say that, other than the iceillager losing, every vote winner has made sense to me. Going off of just the info from the trailers, be it actual gameplay stuff explained, lore or mechanic potential, or stuff from the videos that were just for fun and were never actually a part of the mob, like the glowsquid hypnosis, almost all the winners were the most interesting or most promising concepts.
Like, even the first vote was between a mob that could surprise attack you and take your stuff, a pre-aquatic update monster that could drown you, a pre-neither update stronger blaze, or the first non boss flying hostile monster which interacts with the basic mechanic of sleeping? Thats a no brainer to me. But then it got implemented and we found out why there were no flying hostile mobs other than the gender dragon, and we found out why having something tied to not sleeping could be really annoying.
Watch out for the gender dragon, if she spits her fire on you Steve will become dysphoric
People have been conspiracy theorizing for years now that mob votes were rigged as in "look at boring mob 1, boring mob 2 and SUPER COOL MOB 3. choose now". I don't think it was intentional but looking back it seemed to have definitely influenced some of the voting (ie from what I personally remember the Sniffer was made out to be this super cool archaeology update and we got a super lame useless mechanic instead)
"The gender dragon"
Accidentally cool lol
Da Genda Dagon
>enought internet for today.
@@Zuzu00000 If I can find the gender dragon and she blasts me will it cure me then?? (also peak comment, very silly :3 )
I am surprised the tuff golem even has a winning animation. It really seemed like even the creators thought it would lose.
You should always be prepared for the internet to make a meme choice for no pre-thought-of reason. Remember, "Boaty McBoatface" was the chosen winning name of a US government sea vessel, as a write-in option.
We need 2-3 catch-up-dates where they do bug fixes, optimizations, and reconsider/add a number of these forgotten features they've mentioned
A mob vote based on exclusively old mobs where rankings determine when they get added would probably stir up more headache in the community but would give closure for some of them
speedrunners on their way to find out how to derail this so their runs arent hindered
They should add a "losers weepers" update where all the losers of the previous mob vote are added back but also come with a hostile mob, sure it's super ambitious, but it's a decently good concept
the biome vote was explicitly stated to be a vote on which was going to be added first, not on if they were or weren't going to be added.
You mean to tell me there was a possibilty to make the savannah not suck? That ostrich looked so cool :(
The monkey's paw curls: Ostriches are added and they're initially rideable (They work almost exactly like Expresso in Donkey Kong Country) until someone points out that's abusive in real life and they're made useless
If you're on java, install the golden savannas resource pack, really simple change but makes a world of difference
I would've taken a Savanna update over the pale garden any day of the week
Well wasnt it from the biome vote?
Biome vote biomes will come back
Like how they did a swamp update and brought frogs even tough swamp losed
You want the ostrich to be added until you play battle cats
I personally hope they do a “safari update” where a bunch of the old biome vote stuff is added at once. So things like baobabs, oases, ostriches, prickly pears and maybe even a couple new things are all added to the game
minecraft does nothing: drama
minecraft does something: drama
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When people asked to make Minecraft more immersive, they wanted good changes. Many just feel too off. That's the point
@@themasterofanalyticsandwie1342 Lol it's minecraft not cod what do you mean by more immersive, if you wanted immersion go download some mods. Still can't believe that people are mad that minecraft when adds like 30 new blocks, a new mob(with custom functionality), new biome, tons of technical features all in the span of a few months.
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The dust particle will win the particle vote in 2046.
I wanted the electron! How dare you!
@@HungryWarden at least the mustard gas particle lost
@@LobotomyTub that blew my mind. And all of my skin off as well.
The Mob Vote was a good idea, the problem was that the losing mobs were never revised other than the Frog which took 2 years somehow (and I think Jeb really pushed for it, seeing how mutch he loves his Chest Boat)
I think if they did a vote with returning options every 6 months for their drops, people would be much happier. i loved the vote, it was fun. people didn't like it because mobs would get boxed never to be seen again, so it put the stakes WAY too high for silly block game. more frequent votes, with options that return if lost, and 1 new option every time, would win them a TON of community support.
the community has always been a MASSIVE part in shaping updates, it feels like we're being left out of decisions entirely now. very cold. :(
Yeah 6 months should be enough time to build and test them and have them ready for the next drop
There hasn't been a substantial change to Minecraft since 2016
The pale gardens and creaking isn't too bad but it would have probably been better if we did get an update that included or was based around a vote that didn't win. Just to receive a little bit of trust back from the fans.
I’m about 90% sure that the devs have stated several times that mob vote losers (except the 3 from the phantom vote) are never barred from coming to the game eventually. Just that it’s not a priority and have been shoved to the back burner. It’s clear that while they are still releasing new content with these drops, their true focus is refactoring the game to make it fully data driven. They don’t want to work on something big with a bunch of new unique code that will then have to get redone later to fit with the rest of the modular code. Let them finish overhauling the components, then they can get to adding losers of these votes.
"are never barred from coming to the game eventually."
Well at this point they have been barred because they've had more than half a decade to add any of them, and we lost a perfect opportunity months ago
@@EmperorPenguin1217 we did get the uh... goat from the biome vote when the fox was what got voted in
@@EmperorPenguin1217 "we lost a perfect opportunity months ago" No we never lost a perfect opportunity. There is never 'perfect opportunity' to add something to a game. Also the mob votes where just ideas, so just as there's nothing stopping them from coming back theres nothing saying they will be implemented. We just have to wait and see.
@@dotvee Both of them won their respective votes
@@404maxnotfound
"No we never lost a perfect opportunity."
>Both tuff and copper golems are proposed concepts
>Both lose
>"Mobs can return!"
>Makes update that specifically focuses on these two materials
>Doesn't add the two specific things that fit perfectly
>"There is never a perfect opportunity"
??????
"Also the mob votes where just ideas"
They specifically said they could return.
Somewhere in some parallel universe somewhere there are people crying that the phantom lost the mob vote
Honestly, between an annoying blaze that will just waste your time, an mob that just steals your stuff, a underwater creature that will just annoy you when exploring and the first flying hostile mob that you can sleep off... I bet people would be crying over that loss
The thing that truly maddens me about the mob vote is they said they would bring the mobs that didn't win the vote in at a later date.
The Tuff and Copper golem were a Perfect Fit for the Trial Chambers, yet they didn't bring them.
Hopefully Minecraft will bring back these mobs with the new changes to updates, it would be amazing to see them!
That requires effort from the developers, which as we all know is nearly impossible.
@@SamwiseLovesJesusI guess updating caves, mountains, the Nether and oceans took no effort.
@@SamwiseLovesJesus True that, it is quite a lot of effort
@@SamwiseLovesJesus Meanwhile a random modder makes it in less than 24 hours.
See here's the thing right. If we didnt know about them, it wouldnt hurt to lose them, but they elected to create that system where there was always going to be something you wanted and couldnt have. For me, it was definitely the crab. Block reach has a huge effect on the game, it's something I have regularly in modded minecraft, and it has a big effect not only on building which is something basically everyone spends a good amount of time doing but also on mining in caves which is something most people also do a good amount of.
If it had never been on the table publicly, I would still be blissfully unaware that it was shelved in favor of dog armor that a large number of players will never even use. In an attempt to be interactive, they showcased things that players desperately want but can't have. There is a reason so many of those things have simply been modded into the game: because Mojang is so slow at releasing content for vanilla that modders and players feel the need to take matters into their own hands since we know it could be years or even decades before they consider making those a reality in vanilla.
I'm glad the mob vote got removed, because all it did was rub in our faces how little they actually put out in vanilla, and contrast how much more engaged and active the mod community is compared to the devs.
Btw Increased block range was added to the game(It's a custom attribute you can add to items). Because unlike what you may claim Mojang does add a fck ton of features each update. Just because you are not aware of what they are adding doesn't mean they "rub in our faces how little they actually put out in vanilla".
@@404maxnotfound
"Btw Increased block range was added to the game(It's a custom attribute you can add to items)."
Commands and attributes are NOT items/survival friendly features.
"Mojang does add a fck ton of features each update."
No they don't lmao
Also "and contrast how much more engaged and active the mod community is compared to the devs." There are only like 50-60 devs working at mojang they have to deal with things like quality control, bugfixing, how well the features interact with the rest of minecraft, if it fits with the rest of minecraft, doesn't break mods, doesn't break technical minecraft features redstoners use, etc. There are thousands of modders that don't really have to deal with any of that just as long as the mod sorta works publish it.
@@404maxnotfound
"quality control"
Yeah because everything after 1.16 was totally well designed and belongs in the game.
Nothing screams quality like sniffers, archaeology in its entirety or anything in the winter drop
"how well the features interact with the rest of minecraft"
Boy wouldn't it suck if most of the features post-1.16 were either single-use and/or redundant outright? I sure do hope that doesn't happen
"doesn't break mods"
All updates break mods regardless of how good they are
"doesn't break technical minecraft features redstoners use"
I guess that explains why they keep spamming copypaste blocks. Can't break features if you just add the same exact features you already added before.
Good ending: All of these mobs are being added, there is no mob vote
Bad ending: There will be a mod vote happening between these mobs that lost
Sad ending: There is no mob vote, and none of these mobs will ever get added
I'm still advocating for a "Patch-up and Catch-up" update that brings in all the stuff that's been teased and promised over the years and also heavily focuses on the backend of Minecraft and fixes the performance issues of the game, if a punch of modders in their spare time can manage to add a couple 100 fps to the game, it's really an embarrassment that a billion dollar company like Mojang can't manage the same or at least just half of that.
They need to add a mob cap to bedrock edition
Also making it more clear when your world is now multiplayer would help if you use a custom skin instead of defaulting to a random preset one making you think your custom skin is messed up
@@superNova5837 Oh right, Bedrock exists, well trying to clean up that buggy mess might take a few years but yeah if they demand money for it they should at put some extra care into that as well.
However I'm mainly hoping that they would at least fix the performance on Java since modders have already proven that it's totally possible to do so and should in theory be even easier for Mojang with all the backend access they have.
Keep in mind some of these mobs were just instead used in Minecraft Dungeons
Dungeons and Legends; where cool ideas go to die
The copper and tuff golems would’ve made for perfect additions in the 1.21 update, you know, the update that added so many new uses for copper and tuff
Yep and gives them more uses
The ore is still kinda pointless if you find a trial chamber
This is just pouring salt in the wound. RIP Piss Cow. o7
The sniffer is where I lost all interest in playing Minecraft...
I think the only issue with the mob vote was we had 0 idea of if and when they would bring mob vote stuff in. We knew stuff could come back but that doesn’t mean it would come to the game. Not to mention we only had I think one mob bought in that lost so far.
I’d love for an Update That Changed The World 2 where they just add all of the biome vote “losers” that they said would eventually get added and still haven’t been (Badlands, Savannah, Desert, and maybe add those new Birch Forests that were planned but scrapped from 1.19)
I still really want a loser update where they just do all of these at once
surely the mobs will all return... right?
(we demand justice for fireflies)
I really hope they add all the desert related stuff into one update, like the Savanna, Badlands, and Desert stuff, it’d make sense for a big update, but I also hope they’d add the Moobloom, buttercups, flower biomes, and birch forest stuff all in one update as well. It sounds very easy on paper, and would just make sense
Yeah the fallen trees idea is already in bedrock edition
I still believe the glow ink should be able to make any block glow it‘s used on (kinda like wax on a copper block)
i like making signs glow
still hate we didn't get th golems for 1.21... like bruh they fit perfectly, Mojang adds what Mojang wants, if you can't see that look at how they have displayed almost every vote winner
"going on 7 years now"
i just realised how insane that actually is
i will never forget the moobloom
Don't be too sad all Biome vote would be updated we just voted which one to get first
Minecraft 1.25: The Missing Mobs Update
Haven't watched the video and Unrelated. They say getting permission to add stuff to minecraft is difficult but they only add 1 creature and when there were mob votes? Didn't that mean they already had permission to add all those 3 because they were able to promote those 3 mobs?
So, the thing about the mob votes is, the community keeps hoping that the mob will bring cool new things. Like how people thought the glow squid qould bring underwater lighting or other things, and how we hoped that the armadillo would bring more to the savanna. We hoped the sniffer would be able to dig up plants that actually have a use. However, mojang just left us with the mob, and almost no extra features attached to it, most mobs didnt even fit the theme of the update. So much wasted potential.
I've never understood this gimmick of "We're going to show you all this stuff ... that we're not going to give you. Have fun looking!'
It's called, developers not having infinite time to develop features, so they thought it would be a good idea to have the community pick on what they spend their time on. But the community complained enough about it they shut it down entirely.
@@404maxnotfoundMojang's biggest bootlicker
@@404maxnotfoundit’s called a stupid marketing stunt by the higher ups.
I feel like with all of these "drops" or "update nuggets" we might see a "glare drop" or "copper drop"
I personally wish we get something like the Badlands return to be honest 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I still want my moobloom
this is just sad, i hope we get all the mobs and biomes that lost in one update
shush...
_superflat._
It would be fun if instead of having the mob votes(I know it's gone now), it will be cool if they selected on of the previous mobs from other mob votes and added them. That would make it hype since we don't know which mob it would be
The only reason I wanted the glow squid was a movable light source I could make invisible for maps.
I still can't wrap my head around the fact we were not voting for adding priority but really for a single addition. Such a weird decision
In regards to the outcome of the biome vote, I do believe in the trailer they said something along the lines of the audience is voting for which biome would be updated FIRST, meaning they intended to update each of them in time. So far that’s been the case aside from the desert with both mountain and swamp biomes having updates.
the swamp vote choice didn't even update the swamp. It added a completely different biome instead and left the old one in the dust
@@EmperorPenguin1217yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But ig if you consider stuff like the lush fields and snowy peaks to be apart of the mountains then the same can be said about swamps
I should get a drop (because it wouldn’t be much) that includes all the stuff that was forgotten in the votes.
That would probably take years. Since each mob had it's own custom set of features they would have to implement from stratch and then there's the biomes updates/blocks etc. For reference it took them a few months to implement the pale garden.
I think this is why they’re trying to have more of the game be driven by data values
Makes things more modular
Need a mob that can spit out particles great now any mob or mod can plug into that functionality
THE GLAREEEE MY BABYYYY 😭😭😭😭😭😭 I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU GLARE !! IF THE GLARE HAS NO FANS IT MEANS IM DEAD !!!!
God, the mob vote should of never existed. Just ADD ALL THREE GODDAMN IT! WE SHOULDA GOT THE ICEOLOGER!
The whole point of the mob vote was the devs don't have time to add all 3 so they did a vote to see which idea the community was most intrested in. Then the community complained so much about the mob vote mojang decided to remove it all together.
We lost him because of a GREEN SMILEY GUY. he needs justice, idc about the others, bring my guy back he was done wrong.
@@404maxnotfoundi also think that its unrealistic to add all three mobs, but you cant tell me that the glow squid's mob vote want heavily biased because dream. I think its really unfortunate that one guy was able to decide what mob got in because millions of children follow his lead
@@404maxnotfound Does Microsoft (a 3 trillion dollar company) not have the resources to fund adding multiple mobs to Minecraft at once? I don't like the sentiment that Mojang/Microsoft are the underdogs here and that it's so so difficult to please the Minecraft community. They could make legitimately good changes if they wanted to, but then again altruism doesn't make you a trillion dollars.
@@Lucailland then he sunk into irrelevancy after the mob he wanted got added
I still to this day want a desert update!
Palm Trees, Oasis, Sand storms, any desert exclusive mob!
It's good that the desert is a little baron, but it should still be interesting.
Wait
Wait wait wait
Potato man is an actual other guy?
For some reason I thought he meant doudoug.
I feel like the wrong mob won every time
I love how the termites jump up and down, they look so happy!
Ah yes. The mob vote
dear people that get angry when mojang adds stuff to minecraft, what is stopping you from just staying on an older version?
Servers.
Rest in peace, Penguin. You'll always be missed
everone: i won’t thee moogloom derm: go sqid
I still want the moobloom
We went back to "Guys, I'm starting to miss The Mob Vote..."
Once again...?
Yeah it's wild, minecrafters when mob vote: "I hate the mob vote the actually useful/cool mobs never get picked".
Minecrafters when mob vote gets removed: "I wish we still had mob vote because this current batch of free content is not good enough."
What did people expect to happen when community made it clear to mojang they hated it?
Wrong interpretation, some people are regretting their choices. People do not miss the vote.
@@404maxnotfound I don't think anyone who wanted the mob vote gone wants it back. The fact that it's a *vote* is inherently a huge problem. I could go on for around 10 or 20 sentences about this. You are misinterpreting things.
The crab winning gif shoulda been the crab doing crab rave
I feel the mob vote would still work if they didn't have new mobs to vote on every time. It would've been cool to vote on past mobs that didn't win the votes. (Not the neather ones tho. I don't need even more deaths there. Skill issue)
R.I.P Mob Votes..
I hope they just randomly add the losing vote stuff into the drops gradually.
Might as well since iOS users basically were told “we fixed bugs and made it run better”
Meanwhile they overhauled the world gen and added a bunch of new stuff
We need a savanna update!
One day they need to a do “the mob update” that just adds all the rejected mobs.
I HIHGLY doubt we actualy would have gotten these, we just HAPPEN to have picked each one that had ZERO personality and it's just a hat on.
Just think, if -Piss Cows- Mooblooms existed, the bees wouldn't be out there getting Poison effects from Eyeblossoms. 😆
I still can't believe Glow squid doesn't glow
It actually emits radiation that messes with the brains of some individuals, causing them to claim it’s good for adding “ambience”.
They said that it didn't. Legit could've read the description of the mob
We should've gotten the moobloom and copper golem
The video title made me think we’d get unreleased mob votes in the game
We had 2 chances for a 3rd Golem and we passed them both for some plants and a blue hopper
Part of me is a tiny bit glad Moobloom didn't win the vote because, from modders' desires to have it, we have the Moobloom we were shown plus tons of variations that, if it won and Mojang had implemented it, I doubt we'd have.
1:50 To this day Im happy we didn't get penguins into the game. Animals as despicable as dolphins. Even, if I would have preferred Crabs - Armadillos were good choice, as they add to relatively empty biome, they are cute and the subsequent changes to dogs and other pet animals that came from this were really good and valid.
2:40 Glow Squids are great. Game would have been so much worse without the glow ink. And they add a lot of cool atmosphere to deepest waters. And they are really cute as well.
I can survive without another boring cow (mooshrooms already are relatively exactly that - we didn't need a third one - especial now that we also got Sniffer) and icy dude even if likely would be fun, it always felt like weird gnome thing, that probably would have been more annoying than useful and kinda felt out of place for the biome it was supposed to spawn in. I don't especially like witches either and it always felt like uglier ice witch to me.
Definitely would have voted Glow Squid, if given an opportunity today. With Iceologer going as second. However, if they added it post Cave and Cliffs with an Ice Cave biome, and additional maze like structure with Iceologer as a boss? That probably would have been the only case I would have picked it over the Squid.
3:25 Mob Votes didnt work in that form. And they did say we still have different ways of input into the game. I think more valid ideas would be mechanics based votes, where they go for single mechanic and let us pick how it gets implemented.
Lamas vs Alpacas is good example for such vote, tbh (still don't get how Alpacas lost). Same with the cat patterns vote.
HUH?
Edit after actually watching this: AHHHHHH I'M SO SAD NONE OF THE MOBS I WANETED EVER WON UGHHHHHHHH I JUST WANT PISS COW AND SAVANNAH UPDATE
Glow squid shouldnt have won. The moobloom and iceolloger are so cool, especially their party animations the glow squid for me is a symbol of all the things i hate about minecraft.
Now the moobloom and crab are winners in my heart, I can watch their happy win animations and pretend it’s real…
I still don't like how losing the mob vote means that development on that mob is shut down and basically gets thrown in the bin.
Realistically they would be shooting themselves in the foot about a dozen times over if they didn't add all of these mobs at some point. All of them would bring so much to the game that I feel would be more positive than negative in the long-run, attachment to a more familiar game aside.
This is so sad. If I could add anything to Mc, it wouldn’t be the aether, it wouldn’t be an end update, it would be adding all mob vote losers.
How did the worst mobs win almost every time anyway?
'78 years'
'2009'
TimenixSC, you ok?
NOOOOOOOOOO (the most sadly removed vote: Jeb’s NOOoOoOOo)
In retrospect:
The Phantom was the most unique choice in 2017 I think, it had good contenders but ultimately it was Mojang's poor implementation and just straight up lying about what the mob would do or how it would be a threat that made it so bad in present day.
The Glow squid was truly the worst possible choice out of the three, ultimately it won due to influencer interference (you know which dirty creature I'm talking about) and completely unfounded speculation based off a few frames of animation. This one is the fault of the community, Moobloom or Chillager would've been equally preferable options over the Glow Squid.
The Allay again I believe was the most unique choice in 2021, randomized redstone and lighting dark areas were not worthwhile mechanics for the Glare or Copper Golem, and I think this once again just falls on Mojang for poor implementation, as the potential was huge and the actual use cases are almost nothing.
The Sniffer was partially Mojang's poor implementation, the mob itself has an interesting design and is unique in the way it is spawned, however Mojang completely failed to deliver anything even remotely interesting with the new plants, and ultimately the sniffer was completely useless. The Tuff Golem was awful, being a glorified item frame, and the Rascal in the animations shown gave absolutely pitiful loot making it extremely unappealing. Perhaps if it had been shown giving diamonds, redstone, or lapis, it could have sparked some interest in a potential Rascal farm, but nobody wants an enchanted iron shovel generator.
The Armadillo in my opinion was the worst mob of the three, people voted through rose tinted goggles for the old days of Minecraft when wolves were actually something they did, but they were never useful, and they never will be. The Crab was objectively the most mechanically useful option as well as being a very good option for bringing life to beaches and oceans alongside Turtles and Dolphins. The Penguin.. well it was sort of cute, but they chose Macaroni Penguins instead of Emperor Penguins, which basically ruined the iconic "Penguin" style people would usually expect, combined with its mediocre abilities and it was never going to win.
The Biome votes I won't complain about too much, since I feel as though they're likely to eventually make it into the game, however they lied about fireflies and mangrove swamps are not interesting or enjoyable to traverse or explore, the blocks and mobs were good though, and I'd love to see the Badlands or Desert updates next.
I wish they could’ve just added all of these back
Okay I wasn't really _against_ the pale garden, but seeing how we still haven't gotten the amazing badlands and desert reworks... We got robbed
Honestly I just zone out the fact that the glow squid exist 99% of the time due to me coming across it only once every 5 years
I think the glow squid as a mob is kinda whatever, but the glowing signs are cool.
I truly don’t understand why mob/biome votes were ever a thing. Looking at the glow squid, i dont know why that couldn’t just be a free mob along others? It literally doesn’t do anything! It’s literally a retextured squid! Why can’t we just have a bunch of normal ass animals instead of just a single one per year? We didn’t have to vote on having fish in the game!
What's worse is that glow berries alongside all the other glow materials existed prior to the squid, so we lost the iceologer for literally nothing.
@@EmperorPenguin1217 I mean the iceologer is also a retextured illager pretty sure if that was the mob that was implemented people would just complain in the same way saying why didn't we implement the glow squid I can't read the text on signs.
Did you forget the fact that 1.18 was the update where the massively overhauled the terrain generation. Like yeah of course the mob they added in that mob vote wouldn't have much functionality because they were focused on terrain even the moobloom or iceologer is just a retextured version of a mob.
@@404maxnotfound the fact that there was content shown that was *not* going to be added is a problem.
@@404maxnotfoundsaying the Iceologer is a retexture is like saying the Ender Dragon is a retextured Ghast. If you have to lie to make your point, it’s probably not a very good point.
If I could mod, I'd make one that adds the lost mobs to Minecraft (with my lil twist) instantly!
Especially the moobloom, I miss them...
Oh and for the last vote, I chose armadillo, reason? Well think about the swamp, it has been recently updated, and had a "native" species, sorry crabs. The snowy areas? Have the polar bear, although I did want the penguin... Also I don't like rock hopper penguins much they look weird idk. Now the savanna, had no native species and hadn't been updated in forever, well now it has a native mob! It's sad but hey, that was just reasoning
This is why we have mods to add the mobs that lost.
The PheonixSC Situation is Insane…
The last 2 were the best options and are fine. But with the first 3 it had to be: hovering inferno, iceologer, glare. But thats just my opinion.