Legion FLOODING the meta may be a problem...
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Legion is Marvel Snap's latest card, and he has a toxic and terrifying combo with Storm that could completely ruin the game's meta if it becomes to powerful and prevalent.
Decklist: snap.fan/decks/258022/
Power Estimate: This day-one build had a positive win rate for me, and it's far from optimized, which is a good sign. Other players are also reporting strong results with the card in this sort of archetype. With further refinements to this core package, this could very well be a powerful meta deck, and that's pretty terrifying because of its frustrating play pattern.
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0:00 Deck Introduction
2:20 Deck Gameplay
Marvel Snap | Legion Lockdown FLOODING the game may be a problem... - Ігри
For the nexus game the math works out like this.
11 power from left lane gets sent to mid lane. Iron Man then contributes 3 more power. 14 power then gets doubled to 28 power mid lane which gets sent back left lane and on right lane. Right lane receives both 11 power from left lane and 28 power from mid lane for 39 power from other lanes, then contributes 7 power from its own lane for 46 power total. That 46 power then gets sent back left lane, being added to the 11 power and 28 power from the other two lanes for 85 power left lane. Mid lane also receives that 46 power which Iron Man then doubles to 92 power added to the 28 power in that lane already for 120 power.
Left Lane is 11+28+46=85
Mid Lane is (11+3+46)*2=120
Right Lane is 11+28+7=46
Math checks out - mostly because it avoids doubling an already doubled 14 points. That's trippy.
Thats for breaking it down. Game gets a little wonky with some locations being duplicated
This also needs waaay more likes xD
You did that math so much more simply than I did. I still hate the solution though because the power mid lane passes right gets doubled, added to, sent back, and doubled again. It feels really dumb.
@@MathMischief Incorrect. The 14 gets doubled to 28 before being sent to the right location. Then it gets added to and sent back as a 46 which then gets doubled again. 14x2 is more than half of the power behind that 46 that gets doubled. Game is jank.
I`m so glad Regis found himself a co-host.
Kids gonna be a genius strategist snap player one day 😢
Made himself a co host
he's the co-host
Even the cute co-host sees how this is broken and wonders have the devs actually tested this card?!
Most adorable co-host
I straight up didn't notice till I heard the coo at 0:41 and my heart melted
same
Lol didn't either because I came straight to comments and read this at almost the exact moment. Had to do a double take lol
That's weird that works with Storm, because the mirror dimension location when it copies flooding gives an extra turn before it floods.
it's intended. The mirror dimension is apparently bugged
Mirror dimension does it at the start of the turn so assumedly it should work this way if its to the left of “Flooding” and should work the way Legion does if it’s to the right. The game probably goes through the locations to update them in order of appearance though instead of a strict left to right, so Flooding always updates last. That being said they definitely should adjust Legion so that he turns them into “new” flooding locations like Storm does, would be more fun for other locations with states like the raft
I thought that interaction was intended. Not because it makes sense, but because flooded location is unfun when you don't get any warning about it. Maybe they will change it because players will complain about having to play against this combo, but Legion kind of sucks without it. I forsee changes coming to this card one way or another.
Storm + Legion combo definitely needs to go away
The way Baby Regina watches you talk when you’re doing a deck Intro 🥺
I think the worst part is that it’s the turn 6 being denied. You lose over a quarter of your total “mana” through the course of a normal game (6/21 goes unspent)
Which in turn denies most of the truly significant game winning plays. Like just imagine doing this against a Sera Miracle/Bounce Deck...
@AveSicarius but you could already do it in a much healthier way with sandman, wave on turn 5, etc
@@DD-ym3nk
Yes, but at least you still had an option to play around with something even if that killed your power output, you could also selectively play cards if you were afraid of Sandman or Wave (I haven't seen Sandman very frequently right now despite how strong Bounce was, pretty odd really).
I think Legion is absolutely a gimmick tech card, but if anyone finds a way to make it consistently useful it will be a nightmare to balance, I think this Flooding style deck is the tip of the iceberg for the abuse you could do with him honestly, though that abuse is probably dependent on hot locations and the like. A simple fix would just be to have the Legion copies be first turn flooding, not second turn, so you could still play cards turn 6.
@@Dalek_genocide
It's basically a much worse Galactus, because at least with the G-man you can play cards (unless they Spider-Man or Doctor Octopus of course). But this is very much the issue I had with the traditional Galactus deck (which is why I only play T6 Galactus) that was based around denying your opponent any chance to play (which just isn't good for getting cubes anyway), and while control should be a part of the game archetypes, control should never let you shutdown all lanes to the point that your opponent can't do anything at all on the last turn through their own power, shit locations is one thing, but this deck can consistently shut down the entire board, which is insane.
This is worse then the zabu Spiderman lock down. It'll be changed.
As a father myself I am extremely proud of you for being able to work and care for you new baby simultaneously. You’re awesome Regis.
That legion on Atlantis by opponent is the best play I seen
Magik was already pretty popular before legion released, I'm sensing that both Magik and SWitch will gain even more popularity to counter the potential "no fun" meta that was once dominated by galactus players.
The magic bait and switch I can see becoming something! That was the only way I won with this deck. The storm combo for it really is pretty bad. You’ll lose far more than you’ll with like that. But I did win a few where they thought they had a turn 7 and floated turn 6 and tricked them, but other than that trying to get a storm legion combo to win, lost me 4 ranks.
I love how regina looks with so much interest when regis is talking 😂😂
Like all my viewers right? RIGHT???
Mb, you're completely right 😅😅
@@RegisKillbin damn right sir !
yo! Checking in from the game at 28 minutes! That was an amazing round, Regis! Thanks for the great game!
Legion coming out is a huge buff for Jeff
I love the Regina intro, I hope it becomes a frequent thing
I was only half watching at 24:51 and thought Legion/Misty night had a wacky on play sound effect I hadn't heard before lol
I noticed that too. Another grunt triggers after the Magik was played soon after?!?
I like how you narrate your thought process. It’s actually helpful. You’re probably the closest to being able to follow blind.
OMG THE BABY IS SO CUTE 🥰
So I foolishly took some advice to buy S4 cards with tokens wherever possible so I bought Legion. Then I saw that the spotlight display was no longer showing Legion which meant I thought I was safe from pulling his variant, opened a spotlight and got... his variant. Opened another and got Stegron. I am now many, many, many tokens away from getting the pinned Thanos I have in my shop and am not massively happy with the results of my first two spotlight openings. I thought I understood how the spotlight caches worked but seeing the display no longer showing Legion short circuited my brain in that regard I guess. Hopefully I can earn another one or two in the next few weeks. There's not many coming up that I'm overly interested in but the ones later in August seem pretty cool, the Nebula/X-23 week seems like one I wanna have 4 for if I can.
its time to run rhino boys! i've been doing this in my surfer list. Ever since Magik is seen everywhere. Turn 6 Rhino Surfer BAM. people dont see it coming. Rhino meta baby! And for legion, try to get prio and break the flooding location. BAM DONE. We back in business baby
Counters to this meta are scarlet witch, magik, cosmo and rhino played into stormed locations if you have initiative
This video is so good! Prolly my favorite yet. The novelty of storm legion is so fun to watch right now. That might wear off tho lol
Every Marvel snap youtuber has played this deck so I'd say it would get boring to watch pretty fast
@@exdee__ that’s possible but today it is pure gold. I have yet to run into this list online yet too so that’s also a good sign
It will be very frustrating at first and then become the regular announce of the goblins viper hood void and galactus. You always can retreat.
Yes, I ended up in the vid! (I was NotSoSerious). I expected your Jeff but still gave you the win knowing it will be content. And I agree with you, Legion lockdown will be a problem and will present a good shakeup in the ever-changing meta. GG!
I was so excited for legion and I'm so sad this is his meta, i never expected the card to be competitive but i did want it to be a silly fun card to throw in wacky locations like nexus or elysium
I feel a simple change would be that storm locations are flooding next turn not flooded
He's not more of a problem than storm juggernaut. But this deck’s horrendous. It definitely needs work. Every deck out scales it. Even with no turn 6 the enemy has more power than you can get.
Funny how you mention legion keeping people from playing their powerful cards on 6. Iceman, yondu, and ham already do that. Ham needs to be reworked to transform a random card considering it's a 2 cost, used to be a 1. Tech cards typically hover around the 3-5 cost, and ham is one of the best tech cards.
Different cards, different possible problems. Yondu sees play basically in destroy, and it's being cut from there too; he destroys the top card of your deck, which may very well be a 1 energy card, so I don't know how he stops you from playing your turn 6 (unless we're talking about decks that run Chavez, which often include her just to make the deck more consistent). Iceman can't hit turn 6 plays. He can be a frustrating card, but he doesn't stop you from playing a 6 energy card. Ham is very strong, but it only hits your highest energy card in hand, so while frustrating, it doesn't necessarily delete you turn 6.
Legion, on the other hand, has the power to lock all your lanes, so that no cards can be played. It's not just his interaction with storm either: locations such as central park, or savage lands sometimes can have the same effect. While the cards you mentioned hit other cards, restricting your plays, Legions affects the entire board. Sometimes he's a Prof X for all three locations, with more power and more flexibility. I think those things are pretty different
Is this a second breathe for MBAKU?????
Didn’t even realise Legion was out and the first time I encountered him someone used this play on me.
I wonder how crazy it would be if you put lockjaw and legion 😂
I got this card last night and its disruptive potential is so high I have been crushing all sorts of decks, it feels weird because I got this card for fun and most of my cards in the deck I am using him are the very bottom of the meta almost, but it turns out that sometimes locations are the biggest enemy of your opponent and if you can increase that downside it may crush your opponent or yourself. Either way it is quite hilarious, turning all locations into rickery bridge on turn 6 feels like such a funny prank lol just make sure you have at least 1 card in each location to maximize chance you will win or tie lol (lets be honest it is 90% of the time going to be a tie lol) I i am loving this card.
I had a good one where my opponent played a shuri and I turned everything into altar of death. I was winning the other lanes so it was fun to a 28 power redskull explode!
great video!
More baby outtakes please! Brought a huge smile to my face.!
I had to drop an immediate like for the new co-host.
That Atlantis play is what I wanted out of Legion. What we got is this deck.
That Agatha twist ending
Second Dinner really said "What if Zabu + Spider-Man but worse?"
So apparently dealing with Twitch chat for so many years has made Regis very good at handling babies while working… Incredible.
baby gag reel = bonus engagement. I'm all for this. She's super cute. Grats again and a billion times over.
Lol at the post credits scene. My boy is 4.5 and he’s still tooting on us!
The only time you see a turn 4 storm will be for this. So you know to cosmo that storm lane on turn 5
Also gotta keep priority to stop it, sigh.
This is gonna be a rough few weeks.
ur co-host is so cute the last seconds in the vid killed me with cuteness
hope they dont nerf it dude , is the most fun combo
I'm glad you point out how toxic this card can be and how bad it could be for the game.
Added on it is how Jeff has stayed Series 5....
Beat outro ever “just don’t toot”
By the wording, Legion working this way with Flooding instead of how Mirror Dim works makes sense. Mirror Dimension happens start of turn and locations seem to update in order of appearance so Mirror will always copy Flooding before it turns to Flooded, and then doesn’t update itself. Legion should be changed to turn the other locations into “new” copies of the location you play him at, so that they’re fresh floodings.
I think the card would be a lot healthier if it did that, and fully expect that change to come soon.
That iron man on triple nexus is deadly.
triple nexus'ing seems like a guaranteed loss against negative lmao
There are SO MANY counters to this play style ive been cleaning up
Rocks? Oh, it was Agatha all along 🎶
There are already Rhino and red stone (and snowguard), magic, scarlet witch and your own storm. That are a counterplay. Plus you'll need to draw 1,5 specific cards out of the deck by turn 4. So I don't see it as a huge problem.
looks scaring to play against but so fun to play as
Every snap creator/streamer is playing this but no one else has a baby
Cosmo is gonna make a big comeback in the meta
Before legion came out, every content creator told me this is not how it would work, and a legion played on turn 5 flooding would make everything turn 6 still flooding and not flooded...... THEY LIED TO ME.
its funny enjoying the gameplay and rooting for fun for Regis and opponents, but also secretly wanting legion to lose so this doesnt become meta 😅😂
It’s gonna be like zabu Spider-Man, strong at top but not played enough to warrant quick change.
Once cozy or hoogland do a video on it, it’ll be all over ladder and then SD will hopefully fix it
It’s not that strong. Those were so toxic and strong but unless it’s like an ultron, bounce, or shiri-shulk-task deck, you’re going to get out powered immediately and probably won’t catch up! You have to have more good luck than bad to make this deck even remotely work, and it’s just not a better deck than standard lockdown. The DD frofX, storm Jugg, or even just Spider-Man himself is a stronger and more toxic combo! I played for 2 hours and went from rank 88 to rank 84. Destroy, thanos, HE, just about everything beat it easily. The only times I won was when they played a magic, then floated turn 6 or played something like a sera or shuri alone, and I turned their magic off to end the game. An already do able move with storm.
I love it got it on my first try and haven lost since
Feel guilty for the Absorbing Spider days… but typically hate easy win low setup combos like this
I love those outtakes 😂
Sending the game to shadow realm
I've played 8 matches with this deck and not 1 time have I had Legion and Storm playable at the right times. I swear RNG hates me.
How does a 3 power Iron man played in the middle location take the score from 51/40/29 to 85/120/46? That's some wierd old school double Onslaught stuff right there.
I'm really hoping someone takes the time to map this out for us.
Gunna take a crack at it.
Base power at each location is (11/0/7), snap applies location effects left to right so my thinking is the nexus on the right, doesnt get included on mids calculations for power distribution? So location 1’s power would then become (11 + 11 +29), middle becomes 40 (11+29), my BEST guess, for how right becomes 29, is, 11 from left, 11 from middle being fed from left, then the 7 base power.
So thats just figuring out the pre-iron man maths.
Mr stark hits the table, ongoing effects are on the stack higher than location effects, but i think base power goes first.
Nexus gets applied, bringing the table to 54/43/32. Middles location power gets doubled, going to 86. thats an increase of 43 power. Now, Snap is a well put together game, it has preventative measures to ensure that Iron man doesnt go infinite with this stuff, so its somewhat- safe to assume its only applied once, and then removed from future nexus calculations.
thus brings the question, how does one get 85/120/46 from 54/43/32?
short answer, ill do the math when im more awake.
but i hope the pre-iron man explanation helps someone maybe crack it
(edit 1: Just noticed for a brief moment, the locations power is set to 6 when iron mans effect activates, good god this going to get messy)
Edit 2: Actually, solving the middle getting to 120 is easier than I thought, left to right rule would mean that, maybe, the 6 power being added to left, brings it to 60 power, which then gets added and doubled with iron man, to be brought to 120?? the math from adding left and right together doesnt come close to 120 so, thats my best guess at that
@@KingOfAllGhouls So using your first set of calculations, it looks like each Nexus location has 3 values associated with it. I'm going to call the first one the "board power" which is the 11/0/7. The second is the base power which is the value that it adds to the other Nexus locations, which is the same as saying it's board power plus the sum of the base powers from locations to the left of it. So that would be 11/0+11/7+0+11+11 = 11/11/29. Finally the final power is the locations base power plus the base power of all locations to the right of it which leaves us with 11+11+29/11+29/29 = 51/40/29..... why is this so complicated....
So with that in mind we now recalculate the 3 power sets and see what happens:
The new board power for the locations is 11/3/7, but with a doubling effect on the 3. The base powers are 11/3+11/7+11+3+11 = 11/14/32, but with a doubling effect on the 14. If we double at this stage we get 11/2(3+11)/7+2(3+11)+11 = 11/28/46. It makes no sense why we double at this stage and not later, but this has to be the point where we double because it gives us the correct 46 value at the right most location. Now our calculations for the final value take us to 11+28+46/28+46/46 or 85/74/46.
This is almost right except for the middle location which is very off. In fact it is off by exactly 46 points which means somewhow Ironman is doubling the base power of the middle location AND the base power of the right-most location. This sort of makes sense because the base power of the middle location only uses the left and middle locations, but Ironman should double values from either no locations or all 3 locations. What's odd though is that by the time a value from the right location feeds into the middle that value has already benifited from Ironman doubling the middle and left locations. So effectively Ironman doubles the left and middle locations twice. Very weird sequencing, I do not like it.
@dgthunderer you're right! The right location's power gets doubled when it comes back to the middle. It's a bit quirky, but I think the rest makes sense considering the location text "your power here is granted to other locations as well".
1. Start with base power 11, 3, 7
2. Working out each location left to right, the left has 11, so that gets added to the other locations (11, 14, 18)
3. Middle location has Iron Man so is doubled (11, 28, 18)
4. Middle location's power is distributed to left and right (39, 28, 46)
5. Right location's power is distributed to left and middle but is doubled in the middle, so 46 is added left and 92 is added middle (85, 120, 46)
Skillmonger and Scarlet Witch to counter? Good use of 5 mana.
Came here to see how legion works with nexus and you didn’t disappoint, it looks broken tho.
Well this explains why I am seeing so much storm...
Great. More High Evo pass the turn fun. Just the type of meta people love. :)
What about M'Baku?
Snap Dads! let's go! Just grabbed him I am cackling lol
May be a problem? I think it's certainly going to be and they even said they're going to monitor it. There's no way it's not getting changed, this is just dumb.
One solution for this could be that the card changes not the 2 remaining positions, but only one (randomly).
Or.. that the card changes the 3 positions into 3 different ones...
If not, the game is going to die very soon.
There's pleeeeenty of cards to remove those location changes.
Baby gon' toot.
Some high EVILutionary action
Gaming aside I hope you enjoying fatherhood! Im on two under 4 myself and gaming has more or less ended. My PC collects dust. It is 100% worth the trade off. Enjoy every minute of it! It really does fly by.
Let me guess, he will be fixed/nerfed after tons of ppl buy him in 1-2 weeks
Do a legion counter deck with snowguard ☠️
Spoilers: not a single opponent had Jeff. 😅
I’m crushing with legion…. Not using this deck but the lock out component is definitely apart of it. The only deck it struggles with is high evolutionary but even still my deck has beaten it the tempo of HE.
Go vote for Regis on the conquerors even. Love your videos 👍🏽
This is going to be so toxic when that location that stops you retreating is in the game
That's a thing?
that baby is 2 minutes away from the deepest sleep
Goose as a 1 off tech just for Storm/Legion?
I was waiting on the store reset to claim the free credits. soon as this dude showed up I bought him IMMEDIATELY, even though I now have start saving all over again to buy mu pinned Kitty (I missed the free one).
and it seems everyone and their mother had the same Storm+Legion combo in mind
Now all i want is how the little baby win games
This is a good video.
Also.
That is a good baby.
He’s problematic with Kyln too. Turn 4 legion on Kyln is TVA at home (where no one can play after turn 4)
Make sure to vote for our boi and the new co-host on the conquerors event rn
Snowguard counter? 🎉
idk if its shown in this video because im falling asleep to it, but what happens when legion + nexus? does that equal infinite power?
It does happen, and... it's a lot of power, but it's not recursive, so not infinite.
Hi, I'm a big fan
Are you really a big fan or are you just blowing hot air?
@@RegisKillbin No, seriously. I really am, your content is very entertaining please never stop making it
More Cohost videos with Regina please
Scarlet witch magik and rhino Is gonna bw a need
Regis at some point I gotta hear the baby voice you use to talk to Regina. You should do a 10 hour stream someday in only baby voice.
Adorable outtakes.
Legion looks like old leader, leech (still broken btw), galactus, etc...
If it becomes common ill just stop playing for a few months like i did before and wait for changes.
Finally we see Regina! ❤
I get turn 6 players that get frustrated with this, sera and bounce and surfer... But I have been bullied by those decks for the past few weeks especially bounce... so Im kinda okay with this to bully em back
Legion gives me galactus vibes. I find it toxic yet stupid at the same time 😂
The mixed of Galactus,Spiderman but can be better with any good location
old galactus invalidate all your early game cards, and also make their knull more strong, legion its the oposite, he makes all early plays even more important
You need to play a deck with only baby variant cards.
BABY!
I don't know if this is toxic. I guess it is 2nd Dinner I think has said as much with Aero nerf. If you waited around and didn't play cards you lost to Aero. The same is happening here in a nutshell.
Any card that wins uncontested is bad for the game. Old leech leader was also like this. Your opponent cannot play and has one turn to counter perfectly or else they lose. That’s toxic.
@zackeryh250 I get you I think second dinner gonna walk gingerly on this one. Toooo many CCs said this cards gonna be trash. They gonna leave this one with us longer than they probably should lol
This interaction getting released as is, does not give me faith in their new playtest team. Supposedly a shift after Zabu, and takes 4-6 months to show . Well now it’s been that long, and I’m certain this team would have released Zabu as is if not even stronger
Today I formatted my computer. When I installed Marvel Snap again, I saw all my progress was lost, 561 hours. And since I am an f2p player, I worked my ass off to reach 5.990 collection level.
Since I didn't ever make a Google or iOS account, I don't know if it can be fixed.
But seeing how stupid the game has become with H.E., Legion, Jean Grey, the fact that if you don't play specific cards you lose by default against Red Skull and Taskmaster, also how everyone plays the same exact deck after rank 100, I don't know if it's worth stressing about.
honestly if you found a jumping off point and you're happier, take it, but just follow where the fun is for you :D
Yes your play is saved through SNAP s servers and with ur user ID they can get all ur info back to u
@@jeffsenecal4168 do you know who should I talk to? Because when I tried to reach support, it has only iOS and Android support. I'd really like to get back to the game after some more nerfs/buffs.