I laughed at the idea of sea otters in this program, but it turns out the CIA tried to train them as spies! Learn more here: ua-cam.com/video/RXHY1ZHDczI/v-deo.html
US Navy SEALs have been very effective in military operations over the years :) (Apologies to all for being 'that person' to make this 'joke') Thanks :) 😊
Wow, this is absolutely fascinating. I had no idea we were doing this. Seeing that sea lion attach that line is amazing. So cool. I’ve trained puppies to eventually be service dogs, and you’re so right. They’re not all cut out for it. They all love it, though. Dogs were bred to work for us. That’s why we have so many different breeds. It really speaks to the intelligence of the dolphins and sea lions that they can and will work with us that way.
I just found your channel and I’m obsessed! I was always supposed to be a Marine Biologist but I didn’t live on the Ocean so I opted for Herpetology. Love your work! I will be following your channel!
This is such a fascinating video and it's so cool you got your friend involved to provide more insight on the program. Thanks for another informative video!
AWESOME!! Sooo cool! Bad ass marine animals! I agree a military dressed/marked seal or dolphin “arresting “ you would be terrifying! There’d be no excuse you could give… “please officer, I was in this area to help my mom with some new sea shells!”
This was so intriguing! I started following your channel thanks to the adorable otter shorts and now am discovering these longer videos about interesting marine life facts. Keep up the great work! Cheers from Monterey ❤
I would love to know more detail about how the navy trained dolphins to locate porpoises for the vaquita relocation project. Though ultimately the project was heartbreakingly unsuccessful I still find it fascinating.
I was selected to be part of that relocation project and was devastated when it was cancelled. From my understanding, the Navy flew some of their dolphins to San Francisco bay where they were trained to detect and report the presence of harbor porpoises. The dolphins learned quickly and apparently were very successful.
I've known animals are intelligent since I was a child in 1970s. People didn't believe me. My great grandmother, that I never met, had akc winning pekingese dogs. My dad would tell me stories of their training.
I was honestly afraid this was going to be about the NASA experiment where a lady tried to teach a dolphin how to speak english... that was... a weird point in history.....
I don’t doubt that the animals chosen are enthusiastic about their tasks, but we have to acknowledge dogs have had tens-of-thousands of years of breeding specifically for their purposes.
Super interesting video, and of course, done well. I'm always amazed at how adaptable and trainable marine mammals seem to be, even if some (looking at you, belugas) are a little more on the chill end of the spectrum.
The Navy uses operant conditioning and only positive reinforcement. The NMMP strictly complies with federal laws regarding the proper care of the animals, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act and the Animal Welfare Act. They are also accredited with several animal care associations that require programs to demonstrate that they meet standards of animal care beyond those demanded by law. Bottlenose dolphins live an average of 20 years in the wild. Navy dolphins have an average lifespan of 32.5 years, and about a third are between 30 and 55 years old.
Hi some questions more, and sorry if I did not understand everything could be also about language: Do dolphins search bombs under water? Could there be explosions under water, are there risks of accidents or is it just about human rescue? Could these animals swim away to live free and decide to come back because of the bonding or relationship to there trainers or are they emotional depend or would they even overlive in the wild? I know you talked about the beluga but this is an individual case isn't it? I am not against your opinion and I am thankful for your information. There are just so many sides of a story and I am really interested in, because it is easy listening to enemy's of all of this. Its easy to understand there arguements but they're statements are always emotional and sometimes misleading. So I am really interested in your answer
@@t.mustermann Yes, the dolphins search for underwater mines (bombs). However, they are trained to stay a safe distance away from the explosives, to simply locate them and report back, so the risks are very low. Yes, the animals could swim away while in the open ocean but chose not to. It has happened in the past, once with a killer whale in the 70's I believe, but it is extremely rare.
KP to clear the record about the redacted content, I was in the U.S. Navy and have personally seen these marine mammals in person while I was at Joint Base Little Creek Fort Story. I can assure you, these marine mammals are very well treated and also are very spoiled. 😂 They eat better and are treated better than 90% of dolphins in shows and aquariums across the world.😄 A lot of the rumors that you find on the Internet about the U.S. Navy's marine mammal program are actually about *other countries* marine mammal programs. So when you do a Freedom of Information Act request to the US government and the US Military over on the marine mammal program this also includes intelligence reports about other countries marine mammal programs. That specific information about other countries marine mammal programs is most of the information in those reports that is redacted. I'll not go into the specifics of it because it is still classified and is relevant intelligence information. I can assure you it is redacted for a good reason and it is quite scary. I can tell you from my knowledge that as those who care about our oceans and our valuable marine life we should be really focus on some of these other countries programs since they actually pose a real threat to marine life and these animals welfare. As you correctly pointed out in your video The United States Navy has never considered doing such a thing to it's cute and fun marine mammals, despite rumors and propaganda put out by other countries that I cannot confirm nor deny the presence nor existence of having actually perpetrated something so horrific.... SEA SHEPARD anyone?
You don’t have to assure me of anything lol. It’s a video that is pro-navy dolphin program. Not sure where you got a different idea! It’s clearly beneficial to all parties involved
@@KPassionate KP, I didn't get a different message, thank you. I understand it is a pro navy program video and again I thank you. The point I was making was what *exactly* is the redacted information you came across in your research in making the video. It is information on the marine mammal program but not the United Stated Marine Mammal program. That information is very concerned and should be of oversight by the marine biology and ocean life activist communities. Thanks again for a wonderful video, keep up the great work. Also if you start looking into it please be carefull some of the people running those other countries programs can be very dangerous and violent when approached and told to stop thier animal abuses. Just like a heated episode of Whale Wars. 🐋
These programs certainly have value, KP, and it's clear many of these guys enjoy the work. Problem is, these are wild animals with an entirely different relationship to their environment than the domesticated. We literally created dogs over thousands of years as companions and servants; we *are* the environment they have evolved to thrive in. What is the long-term welfare, physical and social, for tame marine mammals in these roles? While actual aquariums work hard to provide nourishing environments, the record of sea world, for example, is less optimistic.
Seaworld does an excellent job and has been incredibly misunderstood and vilified by people who don’t look harder. Animals in zoos and aquariums live longer on average than their wild counterparts. In an of itself that is evidence of a happy and stress free lifestyle
@@KPassionate 1. While I'm generally willing to accept your professional opinion on these matters I really require more vis a vis seaworld. I cannot imagine any valid case for capturing healthy orca and keeping them in the equivalent of a dorm quad for life. 2. While they certainly have less stress as well as access to medical care, is that really the measure of all things? Would you, a sapient being, consider yourself better off in the zoo of some powerful alien species?
@@mojrimibnharb4584 1. Seaworld hasn’t captured a killer whale in over 40 years so I really don’t think that is a valid measure of their current practices. 2. I know that I would certainly not rather live out in the forests foraging my own food and evading death at every turn. The reality is that the situation is not black and white. It is not better or worse. It is different. Recognizing the good and bad is important for both sides
@@KPassionate 1. For profit corporations don't have morals or ethics, only motives. Seaworld stopped capturing, moved to breeding, then stopped that as well entirely due to action of law and public perception. Nothing changed but the incentives and you cannot put them on the same level as an aquarium housing non-releasable marine mammals. While those AZA//SSP participating aquariums strive to provide the best possible lifestyle, the same cannot be said for these for-profit units such as seaworld. That place is, in the end, little more than a marine mammal circus and deserving no more consideration. 2. You describe a hard-scrabble life of foraging but the anthropological record says otherwise. Rather, it indicates that our paleolithic ancestors worked perhaps 4 hours a day as skilled, knowledgeable inhabitants of their various ecosystems. Yes, they had a far shorter life expectancy than you and I but ours is only due to very recent innovations and regulations. Every orca at seaword was either (a) run to exhaustion, stripped from their mothers, and dumped into a cramped jail cell shaking in terror or (b) their descendant, born into a prison while knowing in their bones they were meant for something else. To roam free, surrounded by family hunting, singing, playing, mating, mourning, and dying. You and I live our lives with the understanding that our liberty entails the costs of our mistakes. Can you really say that you would trade the life you have now for 150 years of house arrest with people not of your choosing?
@@mojrimibnharb4584 Some of your statements are literally not true. Yes, SeaWorld is a for-profit institution, but it is also an AZA accredited facility and participates in dozens of SSPs. Most others zoos are also for-profit while still being AZA accredited. AZA accreditation has nothing to do with for-profit or not-for-profit status. It is true that when the park first opened, it was more like a "marine mammal circus," but that is not the case anymore. Basically all facilities that existed 40 or 50 years ago, were more like circuses. Most of KP's video about why and how they train animals at her facility can be repeated almost word for word about the animals at SeaWorld. Also, cetaceans born in human care are non-releasable. It has been attempted in the past, and the animals never survive for very long. SeaWorld has also rescued more than 40,000 animals since it opened. Most are rehabilitated and released, but a few are deemed non-releasable and stay. Also worth pointing out, SeaWorld does not determine if an animal is releasable or not. There are governmental organizations that make the final determination and also determine which facility those animals will go to. Maybe early on in the park's history, orcas may have been run to exhaustion, but again, that is not the case any more. I'd say probably a quarter to a third of the orca shows don't happen or stop early because the whales simply do not want to participate. You'll be sitting in the stadium and half-way through the show the trainers will come out and say, "sorry, the whales don't feel like participating right now so we are ending the show here." On most days there are only 2 or 3, 20-minute shows a day, so they are definitely not exhausted and more than half of that run-time is trainers talking about the whales or educational video clips. I can't say anything about how the first whales were collected, since it was more than a decade before I was born, but now the whales in human care are definitely not stripped from their mothers. The females typically will stay with their mothers their whole life. If they do go to a different facility it is once they are adults and if there are personality conflicts with the other members of the pod. Males will get separated when they become adults, but that replicates what happens in their natural environment. In their natural environment, adult males and females only interact for breeding purposes. Even when the males get separated it is usually not to a different facility, it is just to a different pool with the other males at that facility. And the orca pools are all connected so even when they are "separated" they can still communicate through the gates. I don't know where you are getting the 150 years number. Maybe the myth that orcas can live that long? There is no evidence for that. The best evidence for orca longevity has males typically passing their 30s or 40s and females passing in their 50s or 60s. Of course some individuals may live longer (potentially 80 years just like some humans reach 100 but most pass in their 80s), but there is no actual evidence for orcas in the ocean living on average much longer than that. The only way to prove that would be to literally track an animal it's whole life but that has not happened yet and would probably be impossible in the ocean. Any claims that an individual in the ocean is more than 60 years old is unsubstantiated. Maybe that individual looks like one that was spotted 20 or 30 years ago, but it could be a relative of the previously sighted one. Again, unless it was tracked continuously, it cannot be proven that it is the same individual.
White coat project said they torture these animals by pumping them sea water which dolphins dont normally ingest.. also they get their “workers” from sea world. Which is absolutely sickening that they cant take measures to help the animals living in cramped corridors alone… idk. I hope they arent treated badly. What do they do with the babies they have since birth that ARENT cut out for this work?
All of that is absolute nonsense. I suggest finding a new source of information. Or at least learning how to spot false information and propaganda. Fact checking is easy.
@@KPassionate i have always followed white coat project bc they advocate for animal testing that is cruel… i would love to dig deeper into what i heard bc i am always open to learn about both sides before making a decision of my thoughts, which is why i asked. Could u point me in the direction to go? I would def check them all out. i rely heavily on independent 3rd party investigations who have no interests of affiliations with either party i am deep diving on.
I laughed at the idea of sea otters in this program, but it turns out the CIA tried to train them as spies! Learn more here: ua-cam.com/video/RXHY1ZHDczI/v-deo.html
Katmai and the girls....... participate in military exercises.... o.m.g... mind blown!! 🤯🤣
Terrifying 😂
it shows just how intelligent these sea mammals are. They seems well cared for and having fun.
❤ thanks KP! I'll always watch when I see your videos!
Awesome~👍
Thank you for sharing this video and information~🤗
You are most welcome!
I almost went into the Navy and I was specifically looking at getting into the program with the dolphins.
Wow!!! So much patience to train these behaviours.
US Navy SEALs have been very effective in military operations over the years :) (Apologies to all for being 'that person' to make this 'joke') Thanks :) 😊
Someone had to!
@@KPassionate Proud to take the hit...
I work as a park ranger at the bay in San Diego and we saw those dolphins that day! It was remarkable!!!
Wow! That’s amazing!
Wow, this is absolutely fascinating. I had no idea we were doing this. Seeing that sea lion attach that line is amazing. So cool. I’ve trained puppies to eventually be service dogs, and you’re so right. They’re not all cut out for it. They all love it, though. Dogs were bred to work for us. That’s why we have so many different breeds. It really speaks to the intelligence of the dolphins and sea lions that they can and will work with us that way.
I just found your channel and I’m obsessed! I was always supposed to be a Marine Biologist but I didn’t live on the Ocean so I opted for Herpetology. Love your work! I will be following your channel!
I'm so glad! Welcome in!!!
This is such a fascinating video and it's so cool you got your friend involved to provide more insight on the program. Thanks for another informative video!
Thanks for watching!
This was beyond fascinating to get your POV on & I loved the interview portion. Great work as always KP & Double! Looking forward to the next one.
Thanks for watching!
Not sure how I feel about it but very interesting!
Belugas and narwhals are my favorite whales!
AWESOME!! Sooo cool! Bad ass marine animals! I agree a military dressed/marked seal or dolphin “arresting “ you would be terrifying! There’d be no excuse you could give… “please officer, I was in this area to help my mom with some new sea shells!”
Another super awesome & exciting video. Thank you very much.!!
💚🦭🐬🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌎💚
Spectacular , this is beyound incredible. Perfectly done video aswell
This was so intriguing! I started following your channel thanks to the adorable otter shorts and now am discovering these longer videos about interesting marine life facts. Keep up the great work!
Cheers from Monterey ❤
I would love to know more detail about how the navy trained dolphins to locate porpoises for the vaquita relocation project. Though ultimately the project was heartbreakingly unsuccessful I still find it fascinating.
I was selected to be part of that relocation project and was devastated when it was cancelled. From my understanding, the Navy flew some of their dolphins to San Francisco bay where they were trained to detect and report the presence of harbor porpoises. The dolphins learned quickly and apparently were very successful.
@@KPassionateDid they say why it was canceled? I’m assuming budgetary issues.
@@The_ZeroLine one animal died during the capture process.
@@KPassionate That seems like an irrational / non-data driven basis for a decision with such sweeping implications. Thanks for following up.
@@The_ZeroLine yes it was a bit of a bummer considering that they really don’t have any other options
I've known animals are intelligent since I was a child in 1970s. People didn't believe me.
My great grandmother, that I never met, had akc winning pekingese dogs. My dad would tell me stories of their training.
I was honestly afraid this was going to be about the NASA experiment where a lady tried to teach a dolphin how to speak english... that was... a weird point in history.....
There have been some…questionable things 😂
Such an interesting video!!! It is so freakin cool 😍😍
Thank you! ❤️
My favorite video so far.
Checks out 😂
I was a Navy EOD Tech. Very good vid.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
Sadly Joey could not be part of such a program. He would give away his whereabout by meeping. 😂
Not very stealthy that’s for sure!
Funny😋
I don’t doubt that the animals chosen are enthusiastic about their tasks, but we have to acknowledge dogs have had tens-of-thousands of years of breeding specifically for their purposes.
Super interesting video, and of course, done well. I'm always amazed at how adaptable and trainable marine mammals seem to be, even if some (looking at you, belugas) are a little more on the chill end of the spectrum.
Marine mammals are all amazing!
Belugas sound like my St Bernard. Slow, docile, sweet and more content sitting with people at the dog park than running around with other dogs.
The thumbnail is too good ☠️
Lol i was going to make a suggestion about making a video about the navy dolphins but you already made it :)
Hahaha but do feel free to let me know if you have other things you want to learn about!!!
@@KPassionate ok cool :)
Fascinating
Cool that it works great but what are the risks for these animals and how are they trained?
The Navy uses operant conditioning and only positive reinforcement. The NMMP strictly complies with federal laws regarding the proper care of the animals, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act and the Animal Welfare Act. They are also accredited with several animal care associations that require programs to demonstrate that they meet standards of animal care beyond those demanded by law. Bottlenose dolphins live an average of 20 years in the wild. Navy dolphins have an average lifespan of 32.5 years, and about a third are between 30 and 55 years old.
Thanks for your quickly answer
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Hi some questions more, and sorry if I did not understand everything could be also about language:
Do dolphins search bombs under water?
Could there be explosions under water, are there risks of accidents or is it just about human rescue?
Could these animals swim away to live free and decide to come back because of the bonding or relationship to there trainers or are they emotional depend or would they even overlive in the wild? I know you talked about the beluga but this is an individual case isn't it?
I am not against your opinion and I am thankful for your information. There are just so many sides of a story and I am really interested in, because it is easy listening to enemy's of all of this. Its easy to understand there arguements but they're statements are always emotional and sometimes misleading.
So I am really interested in your answer
@@t.mustermann Yes, the dolphins search for underwater mines (bombs). However, they are trained to stay a safe distance away from the explosives, to simply locate them and report back, so the risks are very low.
Yes, the animals could swim away while in the open ocean but chose not to. It has happened in the past, once with a killer whale in the 70's I believe, but it is extremely rare.
0:07 AH HA........ Another Navy Seal! The purest form of Navy Seal. Should they be called “Seals Squared?”
KP to clear the record about the redacted content, I was in the U.S. Navy and have personally seen these marine mammals in person while I was at Joint Base Little Creek Fort Story. I can assure you, these marine mammals are very well treated and also are very spoiled. 😂 They eat better and are treated better than 90% of dolphins in shows and aquariums across the world.😄 A lot of the rumors that you find on the Internet about the U.S. Navy's marine mammal program are actually about *other countries* marine mammal programs. So when you do a Freedom of Information Act request to the US government and the US Military over on the marine mammal program this also includes intelligence reports about other countries marine mammal programs. That specific information about other countries marine mammal programs is most of the information in those reports that is redacted. I'll not go into the specifics of it because it is still classified and is relevant intelligence information. I can assure you it is redacted for a good reason and it is quite scary. I can tell you from my knowledge that as those who care about our oceans and our valuable marine life we should be really focus on some of these other countries programs since they actually pose a real threat to marine life and these animals welfare. As you correctly pointed out in your video The United States Navy has never considered doing such a thing to it's cute and fun marine mammals, despite rumors and propaganda put out by other countries that I cannot confirm nor deny the presence nor existence of having actually perpetrated something so horrific.... SEA SHEPARD anyone?
You don’t have to assure me of anything lol. It’s a video that is pro-navy dolphin program. Not sure where you got a different idea! It’s clearly beneficial to all parties involved
@@KPassionate KP, I didn't get a different message, thank you. I understand it is a pro navy program video and again I thank you. The point I was making was what *exactly* is the redacted information you came across in your research in making the video. It is information on the marine mammal program but not the United Stated Marine Mammal program. That information is very concerned and should be of oversight by the marine biology and ocean life activist communities. Thanks again for a wonderful video, keep up the great work. Also if you start looking into it please be carefull some of the people running those other countries programs can be very dangerous and violent when approached and told to stop thier animal abuses. Just like a heated episode of Whale Wars. 🐋
@@w3sentry I was never given any "redacted" information. It’s just an edited video lol. All the information involved is free information.
These programs certainly have value, KP, and it's clear many of these guys enjoy the work. Problem is, these are wild animals with an entirely different relationship to their environment than the domesticated. We literally created dogs over thousands of years as companions and servants; we *are* the environment they have evolved to thrive in. What is the long-term welfare, physical and social, for tame marine mammals in these roles? While actual aquariums work hard to provide nourishing environments, the record of sea world, for example, is less optimistic.
Seaworld does an excellent job and has been incredibly misunderstood and vilified by people who don’t look harder. Animals in zoos and aquariums live longer on average than their wild counterparts. In an of itself that is evidence of a happy and stress free lifestyle
@@KPassionate 1. While I'm generally willing to accept your professional opinion on these matters I really require more vis a vis seaworld. I cannot imagine any valid case for capturing healthy orca and keeping them in the equivalent of a dorm quad for life.
2. While they certainly have less stress as well as access to medical care, is that really the measure of all things? Would you, a sapient being, consider yourself better off in the zoo of some powerful alien species?
@@mojrimibnharb4584 1. Seaworld hasn’t captured a killer whale in over 40 years so I really don’t think that is a valid measure of their current practices. 2. I know that I would certainly not rather live out in the forests foraging my own food and evading death at every turn. The reality is that the situation is not black and white. It is not better or worse. It is different. Recognizing the good and bad is important for both sides
@@KPassionate 1. For profit corporations don't have morals or ethics, only motives. Seaworld stopped capturing, moved to breeding, then stopped that as well entirely due to action of law and public perception. Nothing changed but the incentives and you cannot put them on the same level as an aquarium housing non-releasable marine mammals.
While those AZA//SSP participating aquariums strive to provide the best possible lifestyle, the same cannot be said for these for-profit units such as seaworld. That place is, in the end, little more than a marine mammal circus and deserving no more consideration.
2. You describe a hard-scrabble life of foraging but the anthropological record says otherwise. Rather, it indicates that our paleolithic ancestors worked perhaps 4 hours a day as skilled, knowledgeable inhabitants of their various ecosystems. Yes, they had a far shorter life expectancy than you and I but ours is only due to very recent innovations and regulations.
Every orca at seaword was either (a) run to exhaustion, stripped from their mothers, and dumped into a cramped jail cell shaking in terror or (b) their descendant, born into a prison while knowing in their bones they were meant for something else. To roam free, surrounded by family hunting, singing, playing, mating, mourning, and dying.
You and I live our lives with the understanding that our liberty entails the costs of our mistakes. Can you really say that you would trade the life you have now for 150 years of house arrest with people not of your choosing?
@@mojrimibnharb4584 Some of your statements are literally not true. Yes, SeaWorld is a for-profit institution, but it is also an AZA accredited facility and participates in dozens of SSPs. Most others zoos are also for-profit while still being AZA accredited. AZA accreditation has nothing to do with for-profit or not-for-profit status. It is true that when the park first opened, it was more like a "marine mammal circus," but that is not the case anymore. Basically all facilities that existed 40 or 50 years ago, were more like circuses. Most of KP's video about why and how they train animals at her facility can be repeated almost word for word about the animals at SeaWorld. Also, cetaceans born in human care are non-releasable. It has been attempted in the past, and the animals never survive for very long.
SeaWorld has also rescued more than 40,000 animals since it opened. Most are rehabilitated and released, but a few are deemed non-releasable and stay. Also worth pointing out, SeaWorld does not determine if an animal is releasable or not. There are governmental organizations that make the final determination and also determine which facility those animals will go to.
Maybe early on in the park's history, orcas may have been run to exhaustion, but again, that is not the case any more. I'd say probably a quarter to a third of the orca shows don't happen or stop early because the whales simply do not want to participate. You'll be sitting in the stadium and half-way through the show the trainers will come out and say, "sorry, the whales don't feel like participating right now so we are ending the show here." On most days there are only 2 or 3, 20-minute shows a day, so they are definitely not exhausted and more than half of that run-time is trainers talking about the whales or educational video clips.
I can't say anything about how the first whales were collected, since it was more than a decade before I was born, but now the whales in human care are definitely not stripped from their mothers. The females typically will stay with their mothers their whole life. If they do go to a different facility it is once they are adults and if there are personality conflicts with the other members of the pod. Males will get separated when they become adults, but that replicates what happens in their natural environment. In their natural environment, adult males and females only interact for breeding purposes. Even when the males get separated it is usually not to a different facility, it is just to a different pool with the other males at that facility. And the orca pools are all connected so even when they are "separated" they can still communicate through the gates.
I don't know where you are getting the 150 years number. Maybe the myth that orcas can live that long? There is no evidence for that. The best evidence for orca longevity has males typically passing their 30s or 40s and females passing in their 50s or 60s. Of course some individuals may live longer (potentially 80 years just like some humans reach 100 but most pass in their 80s), but there is no actual evidence for orcas in the ocean living on average much longer than that. The only way to prove that would be to literally track an animal it's whole life but that has not happened yet and would probably be impossible in the ocean. Any claims that an individual in the ocean is more than 60 years old is unsubstantiated. Maybe that individual looks like one that was spotted 20 or 30 years ago, but it could be a relative of the previously sighted one. Again, unless it was tracked continuously, it cannot be proven that it is the same individual.
Sad that the navy treats their captive animals better than Marineland/World.
Can you explain why travis the chimp behaved how he did?
Who is Travis the chimp? 😂
White coat project said they torture these animals by pumping them sea water which dolphins dont normally ingest.. also they get their “workers” from sea world. Which is absolutely sickening that they cant take measures to help the animals living in cramped corridors alone… idk. I hope they arent treated badly. What do they do with the babies they have since birth that ARENT cut out for this work?
All of that is absolute nonsense. I suggest finding a new source of information. Or at least learning how to spot false information and propaganda. Fact checking is easy.
@@KPassionate i have always followed white coat project bc they advocate for animal testing that is cruel… i would love to dig deeper into what i heard bc i am always open to learn about both sides before making a decision of my thoughts, which is why i asked. Could u point me in the direction to go? I would def check them all out. i rely heavily on independent 3rd party investigations who have no interests of affiliations with either party i am deep diving on.
@@Loca_216 if white coat project is willing to publish such blatant lies I would not trust any information from them honestly
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This is disgusting.