If you're actually trying to escort a bomber effectively (as much as that can be done), the proper way to fly isn't side-by-side but above and in front. You want to counter-initiate someone going for an easy kill, not make yourself one of the targets.
I actually enjoy escorting my mate in a bomber or vice versa. We both understand it wont help either of us in any way but its nice to have a good time with a friend trying to stop them from dying whilst they gunship. Gives a bit of a break from the grind or basic prop gameplay of climb, dive, climb, etc.
the thing about escorting is a lot of people just do it wrong, you want to sit about 3k away so that you have enough room to pounce on anything climbing up to take a shot at it, because it will usually be getting slow to take the shot.
Bomber escort can be a legit way to get some frags, but NEVER fly next to the bomber. Set up at least 2km higher and 1km in front, so you can dive on intercepting opponents. There's a reason fighter escorts didn't fly wing by wing with their bombers in real life either. So indeed, as you said "get some speed, get some altitude" :D
While people bring props into high tier deliberately is a problem, there is a ‘glitch’ where in a squad it can change your nation when you get put in a game. It happens in ground too and it’s really frustrating, but don’t hate any random guy for just being in a prop, it might not be their fault.
If you still fly the F-14 take 6 7F’s and 2 9H’s don’t even waste your time on AIM-64s since 90% of you don’t know how to use them and be more of an annoyance than dangerous.
@@F-18Super I do the same, I fire 2 phoenixes at a distance of 25-30 km mainly, I fire them at targets that are maintaining a relatively high closure rate (at least 400m/s). Preferably at higher altitudes too. It has about a 50% hitrate for me, on average, 1 of the 2 hits. But because I have to pick specific targets to fire at, taking more than 2 ends up being inneffective. The rest of my loadout are 2 9H and 4 7F.
@@Boris_The_Turtle Now I will admit the Aim-54s at the beginning of a match absolutely dictates where the enemy team flies and can easily give you an early advantage.
for every time I've seen a prop in top tier maybe 1/50 get a kill, honestly can't remember the last time i saw a prop get a kill in top tier; but sure as hell can remember them dying over and over being useless to there team
@@_S1mba you're just wrong. Im sure some people do deliberately take props into top tier, but in my experience, most prop players at those brs are people in a squad who tried to play a game in a vehicle at that tier but it changed the country they were playing to one a squdmate was to find a game faster or something not too dissimilar. But it can put you inn a game where the country you were trying to play was in your team. There is a glitch that does this, its not fair to hate on someone for being in a prop.
I once escorted 2 Tu4s that decided to play on top tier instead and managed to chaff and flare missiles for them before i ran out and took the hit for them. I AM STILL PROUD OF THAT TO THIS DAY
Honestly the multirole makes sense when the stock grind is just plain ass, and it has to be fast enough to make it. The primary candidates for that are phantoms and tornadoes
The thing I enjoy about 4 phoenix users is the fact it forces the enemy team slow. Like a firefight, suppressing fire is a great tactic that can be achieved even with a radar lock on a target. When that radar lock comes up, now players have to worry about if it's an r27er screaming in to kill them.
IRL they discovered early on that flying with the bombers in formation was useless, so fighter escort late war meant clearing the way ahead of them not flying together with them Same with ships too. Destroyers being in neat cinematic formations just got them killed without accomplishing anything
a good tip if you really want to bomber escort be at a minimum of 2k ft/ 600 m above them so that you can actually get energy when you engage the enemy engaging your bomber!... this strat was common irl in ww2 where they needed to stay really high above the bomber to be most useful so if you are gonna do this plz take into consideration your energy being most necessary for survivability.
Regarding multi-role fighters: I love the Kfir Canard. Six 1000lb bombs and two AIM-9Gs, and sometimes I add five 500lb bombs. Go for bases first (The 1000s do one base and the 500s can do half of another). Reaching bases by going wide and low works bc the Canard is super fast, and once you drop you can climb quickly above everyone else and pick off enemies occupied with your teammates. I easily do 1-4 bases and 1-4 enemies a match (depending on how often i can resupply, usually 1 base and 1-2 enemies per run). With premium bonus included, I can quietly do 30k-50k SL and 5k-10k RP a match. Really fast and efficient grinder plane.
2-4 Phoenix missiles. 2 Ain 7’s and 9H’s With the multi role bombing deal, players are kind of forced into it. The guaranteed RP gain for bombing over mate getting a pvp kill is just meh at best. I think until they implement a better system that won’t go away.
@@gsilvy4k570 oh, I was referring to the multi-role bomb strat that players use. Bombing bases and going for ground targets and possibly getting a kill or two is how most people stock grind in these top tier jets.
i’ve done the 6 phoenix thing many times, but when I rtb i swap my load out to sparrows and sidewinders. I average 3 kills a game with the sparrows at least, and even more if the phoenixes actually connect. If nothing else, i see it as more pressure being out on the enemies.
I assure you, you do not average 3 kills a game. You’re probably confusing KD with KB. 3 kills per battle is amongst the greatest players in the game. (Overall - not vehicle specific)
@@SeekerHead what stops him from getting a 3 kill average game? Its like youre so sure that he is not one of those “one of the greatest” in the game. If youre used to seeing average players doesnt mean everyone is
Very valid and true talking points for playing the game competitively... However, after 3000+ hours I have spent in this game; playing with friends and taking props into top tier, multi-rolling, bomber escorting, and going phoenix mode are all some great ways to change up the repetitive nature of WarThunder to just have fun. Being in a discord call with a 3 ship of BV238s in formation over F-16s and Mig-29s is not competitive but rather a good time (in fact you can argue this is encouraged by Gaijin with Thunder Show and the "God Mode" achievement").
TBF everything he said is right, you probably shouldnt be able to do it and i agree on that; but at the same time also agree that if your enjoyment in the game so heavily depends on winning and what OTHER people are doing, you need help. Play the game for fun, if thats bringing a P-51 up to 11.3 every once in a while to fuck about, go for it as long as you arent affecting anyone else which the only way to actually do so would be teamkilling using the P-51. Maybe i just dont take the game seriously enough or something but when i see a prop at top tier i just chuckle and move on with my day and couldnt give less of a shit. I personally dont do that, i dont see the fun in it; but if thats fun to someone else more power to them. What someone else is doing in a game that really only rewards selfish gameplay (plus people end up bitching about teamwork anyhow) does NOT affect you, grow up and just shoot shit and do good on YOUR part. Winning is nice and it gives a little bonus and im happy to win, but dont sit and make your enjoyment rely 100% on winning.
taking 6 phoenixes, launching them really fast and then going back to base for a normal loadout is actually quite good (especially in EC maps, where u wont be missing much action by rtb'ing anyway.)
Last escort fighter I saw ended up pulling a u turn and going the opposite way down the runway when everyone was still taking off, crashing into the guy he wanted to cover
Escorting bombers can actiually work fine from my experience, just instead of slowing down by lowering throttle you slow down by climbing above the bomber so you can B&Z anyone who approaches. It does increase the bomber player's survivability and makes for a lot of kill oppertunities for the fighter. It still may not be the absolute most optimal way of playing the game, but it makes for satisfying teamwork.
Just recently got the f-14, best load out imo is 2 aim9h, 2 Phoenix, and rest sparrow. Fly high at start and use your radar to catch people trying to fly high, send two phoenixs out on different targets and then then and go cold to avoid the 50 missiles that were launched at you lmao. Is always satisfying to get a fox 3 kill. I like to call it the fox 3 lottery. Another piece of advice for bvr is let the missile cook, I've gotten some crazy nutty 35-40km sparrow kills, the missiles travels for a long time but many people decide to break lock and go oh well guess it didn't hit, but give the missile a chance more often than not it's doing its job. Countless times I've launched a missile and it feels like it's been traveling for minutes and just as I'm about to give up on it I'll get aircraft destroyed.
Escorting mates in bombers does help. The fact alone that there's more aircraft sometimes gets people to not attack the bomber in the first place. A lone bomber is always a juicy targets. And you can still hunt fighters once ur mate goes rtb after dropping
Bombing bases never wins a game. Shooting AI ground targets could with ticket drain, but fighters can do that. Bombers themselves are useless to the team. Troll squading is of course not going to help you win and neither is shooting off 6 fail missiles and immediately leaving the battle to airfield. Sounds like i just struck a nerve of yours
For the F14, its actually not a bad idea to have the 2 Aim54s on the rear most mounts, since all you can do is either strap bombs onto it, or a single Aim 7. However you can also have 2 Aim 54s on the mount. IMO the 2 Aim 54s are a better choice then the single Aim 7, the 2 Aim 54s usually get me 1 kill every other match and the aim 7s clean up the rest.
the TL;DR of this video is basically "whats the point in playing the game if you arent gonna take it seriously" i dont get why people are like this about this game, its a game, have fun, do what you want, no one cares if they win or lose the match, the game doesnt have to be one large sweatfest, if people did what was said here it would turn air rb into ground rb
“no none cares if they win or lose the match” - 70% of the playerbase bitching the grind is too hard then actively throw matches and refuse to get win bonuses.
In uptiers I bomb truck my f4e. I found it works surprisingly well as long as you know the maps and how players generally behave on a given map. Plus its the only way for me to actually get kills because it puts me in the back lines behind the very scary planes that are better than mine in every way. Fast and low around the side of the map and pop off with df missiles while all the bad guys are distracted in the furball
#1 best bomber escort is a person who kills the fighters before they reach the bomber in the first place #2 props are decent in jet matches but to an extent I’d say maximum extreme maximum is 9.3 and even then you are limited on prop choice you need something that handles high speed and has enough fire power to kill on a small window. Usually things like Fw-190s or Tempest.. then you pick on the jets that are locked in a dogfight.. after that props are useless due to missiles and just they get too fast as a jet and the window of fire is too small to do any meaningful damage or even get some shots off as for tanks taking a low tier into a high tier is completely different than planes considering generally how tanks are made they have more restrictions than an aircraft usually there is a spot on every MBT that a reserve can punch through. Does not mean it’s useful to the team. #3 biggest tip here… in ground battles do not die once and leave
Only reason I ever took bombs on my 4e is because I had one day left to grind out the naval line before they did construction work on the local power grid.
Horrible? A little much? Playing tanks and starting 10 seconds behind everyone because youre heating your hot pocket then getting sniped in the spawn across the map is horrible! I just watch them F-14's laugh and then play the game. At least the F-14's are scaring somebody halfway across the map and forcing down people from space. Try to use stupidity to an advantage.
@@tooshmart6669 but it's not like the phoenix's hit half the time. You can take 10 seconds max to notch it and as long as your on the deck the missile isn't going to hit anyway. It's just how they will fire them all of, get 1 or 2 kills then land and rinse and repeat
Bombing bases and then going fighter mode is the only thing that's viable for grinding modules for certain planes. Im always flying the Su-17M4 and used to do that but now that I have it spaded i still carry two tv guided missiles, they can be launched far away and gives me time to focus on the enemy instead. At the very least i get two ground units and some RP.
The only reason I managed to grind the upgrade missiles for my Phantom was because I was bombing bases. It at least gives you a baseline RP per match considering stock loadouts suck. In my experience, I grind out fighters with bombs at least twice as fast compared to fighters that don't carry bombs
4:45 usually I get 6 phoenixes 20-30 mins of fuel, go up a bit and speed up, always send 2 missles per person, to dodge one is easy, but to can be tricky to notch or avoid in quite some situations, usually i get 2 or so kills with that, and then RTB, usually the match is almost done when I land or i take 4 aim-7's and aim-9's and 2 phoenixes to clean up the last few players. really effective strat in my experience, but if you only send 1 phoenix per person, the strat is quite dogwater in my experience
#2 in tank battles is kinda fun tbh, but not in jets at all in the slightest. The early-tier 150mm tank destroyers like the Spj Fm 43-44 are a decently fun way to grind SL, at least for players who are better at the game than I am.
The pheonix missile doesn't pull very much G, but typically what I like to do is get ultra high and fast, like Mach 1.3 and 15kft+, then around 40 miles I'll launch a couple of the 54's, first one TWS, second one STT but a little later, and from a different aspect as the first one. So 40mi and 35-28mi are both pheonix shots, then I'll crank holding the lock until slowly they both break (wasting time for the missiles to close, and to scrap theirs) THEN, believe it or not, I run two dogfight sparrows, and launch that around 10-13 miles, and of course the 9G or 9H. It's basically the 2x2x2 but with two more 54s. Only really usable in Simulator, but if you have cloud coverage hiding your cons and the missiles, and use the radar tilt to look down effectively without losing altitude. Not to mention you can at times murder bomber formations from 50 miles away. The F14 is a big brain plane and it has a lot of potential outside of the "meta"
Do you think you could make a short video on how to counter aim 9Cs? I see alot of players who don't know how to counter them or don't even know about them
Point 3 (not like i care about jets) but said strategy sounds like ironically something very smart to do. 6 quick chances for a kill, and then run RTB. Money and no repair costs, valid strategy.
I always carry a mix of missiles on my F14. I stage them for ranges like a layered offense/defense. Phoenix first, Sparrow, then sidewinder. Sometimes I completely leave out the sparrow, but I always keep the sidewinder. It's reliable. The range on the sidewinders helps deal with their poor flight characteristics. You can fire them from far enough away that the enemy usually isn't expecting them. As for escorting bombers, I tend to climb to at most 1km above them and fly in a large S flight path to keep my speed up while staying close to them and technically not outpacing them. I only do this for friends, and even then it's not common.
F5C has a much better time than the F5E at base bombing, the difference in BR is HUGE. Also loadout is important, F5C you should only bring in 4 napalms to get a single base kill, anything more wont net you huge rewards and hurts the planes performance too much leaving you even more vulnerable. Biggest thing for bombing bases is you HAVE to spend 80% of the time looking behind you, 19% above you and 1% in front of you. You should also be on the deck not chilling a few thousand feet up trying to dive bomb with the F5. Bomb just like you would in the phantom and just get used to doing it without the bomb spot indicator. Also helps to play with friends who are focusing on pure dog fighting to help cover you or friends willing to flip roles every few games. Base bombing is just too big of a reward to not do, especially when you are hurting for SL.
When you learn how to use the AIM-7F it is a far superior weapon to the Phoenix for everything except extreme long range. You can use it in dogfights, it has good min range, and it's still decent at BVR. My load out for most games on the maps that are far too small for the Tomcat is 6 AIM-7Fs and 2 AIM-9Hs. When it's an EC map I usually bring 4 Phoenixes, 2 Sparrows and 2 Sidewinders, so I can lob 4 Phoenixes at the high alt enemies at 30 miles and scare the crap out of them when it goes pitbull and I'm still good for actually fighting enemies. Escorting bombers, ah, what lost the Germans the Battle of Britain. If you're slow in a fighter, you're dead. If you want to escort, keep climbing above your bomber pal and gain more energy so you can dive on any enemy interceptors.
9:10 Absolutely the case. Hell, last time I played the Tu-4 with a few friends, we had a bunch of games where teammates would run towards one of us to clear their six. It worked every time though, because god damn that's a lot of 23s.
the 6 pheonix spam strategy will almost never work due to the few times it has worked for people, its so horrifiying and annoying to see and then you are just dead that now EVERYONE knows "if your fighting the american tree, stick to the deck no matter what" so now it cant even be done because its impossible due to the trauma caused from it.
I carry 4 aim 54, it's a decent missle and now usable with the added range of maps. Even then using all 4 I usually only get 1 kill sometimes 2. Who to I take them then. The pure range means I can launch 4 get a few kills before I need to get into ranges where I'm vulnerable. Which allows me to assess and change position before engaging with sparrows and sidewinders
You can't go fighter mode with bombs attached. Multirole fighters armed for A2G work do carry A2A weapons, but only for defense, but they also usually have an escorting flight and are prepared to jettison those bombs if they get jumped. The Phoenix missile was designed for shooting down Soviet bombers or the anti-ship missiles they could launch.
I had to bring that one Chaika into that one game to try to kill a jet that one time. I got the kill but also I have not done it since, it was still cool for me though. I also had brought my jets for what it is worth so the first three or so minutes I was mostly useless.
I have a question, I haven't played warthunder in about 2-3months and when I came back I noticed some things about props and jets but I'll focus on jets did the aim-9bs get buffed? Because I was playing the F3H-2 and chased a enemy and fired a missile (aim-9b) and he turned fairly hard but the missile tracked and killed him.. which confused me because I never seen a 9b do that before
The only 2 I've done was the multirole and bringing a lower tier plane to a higher tier lobby, I do the multirole thing in my F4J to get repair cost money then I fight, and I uptiered myself in arcade to get god mode once or twice.
Bombing yields more research than getting player kills. same for silver lions. How do I know? I used a a-10 to experiment. Smaller bombs yield more silver lions while larger ones yield more research. Edit: plane kills yield more silver lions. bombing yields more research for the most part.
I had a guy bring a LA-5 I think into a 9.0 lobby, after he proceeded to something invariably cringe and unfunny in chat I made fun of him and his buddy for it, he said he'd do better than me(neither of them did) they both challenged me to a 1v1 and I beat them both. Those are the only times it's worth ever putting the amount of effort I put into this game i fucking hate reddit
the ad he plays is definitly one of those apps where you could theoritically get GE but in reality it would take like 4 months of downloading apps on your phone to get any GE
if you don’t want the boring monotony of always attack players. then taking a bomb load with some missle spices things up. highly suggest doing it in a fast vehicle ex. f16 or f14
I'm surprised you mentioned bomber escorts without mentioning players dumping all their altitude for a bomber kill. I watched my entire team dive on a low flying b-17. I look up and the entire team is flying twords me.
As far as bombers go, I think they should just stick together then split off closer to targets. That’s a much more efficient use of the resources and fighters that are available.
I’ve never used the Phoenix, I’m taking 2x 9H and 6x 7F and I do excellent games. I still need to learn more flying techniques and positioning. I do a lot of 1k 1d games
I at one point in time took 6 aim 54s only. Not even sidewinders. Min fuel and took off so fast and b line straight to enemy. Fire my 6 54s and rtb while dropping flares and would get 3-4 kills most games. Cause I didn’t have the extra weight of fuel and went as fast as possible at the enemy they didn’t even have time to even get to mach 1 for me to kill them.
Being real with you, just about the most efficient and consistent way I have found to grind for the F-16 is based bombing with the F4E. 9 times out of 10 I get at least one base, most of the time I'm getting two. Likewise I would say about half the matches I get at least one kill as well and from a time standpoint it's incredibly efficient. Using the F4E air-to-air is so inconsistent right now.
It's more effective for you right now because you are still too bad at air to air. When you are good enought it's much faster to grind doing air to air only because you are consistent. The question is do you want to get good as fast as possible or do you want to grind as fast as possible ? Taking bomb gives you less opportunity to improove at air to air wich is bad for you in the long run imo.
I agree with all but the first one, multi role or fighter bomber is the best way to grind in air RB, i grinded almost all of top tier germany air with the f4f bombing bases.
I have had great games escorting bomber, it can work well because they can peal off to another bomber, escorts need to keep 100% and weave back and forth in a large patern yo keep your speed up
One small addition: people need to avoid full-commit headon trades with the first enemy they see. The thing with escorting bombers, nobody does it right and everyone gets mad when you tell them not to _form up._ Always see people flying wing-to-wing with the bomber, trying to get as close as possible, often popping smoke, never in an advantageous position above and off to the side of the bomber, at altitude. Prop matches where a bomber asks for escort often devolve into air shows where 3 fighters dive to the deck with a bomber, presenting the enemy with a feeding frenzy and leaving the team at a multi-aircraft disadvantage, moreso than if there was just a couple bombers unescorted. Basically the same thing eventually happens with prop failsquads in jets.
I grind with 6 phoenixes, launch em all, good matches I get 3 kills on first salvo, usually 1 though. land and rearm, this time with 2 sparrows for self defence if I come to need them, though match is usually over by this point (entire allied or enemy team is basically dead) so mostly I just j out and wait, I like this cause then I don't pay repair costs, and that does matter to me who doesn't have premium
6 phoenixes at the start of the game makes the enemy team either go defensive at the start or go down in flames because they don't care about looking for missile contrails/ don't know how to evade
The best part about the people who 'escort' bombers is they aren't even escorting them in the WWII sense. If they were they would be 2+km above the bombers, and would be out in front to engage the interceptors BEFORE they reach the formation. Y'know, performing a fighter sweep like escort planes are supposed to do? They are just mouse aiming in shitty formation. As far as AIM-54s go, I think it is best to take 2 and launch them early in the match. Sure you usually won't hit anything, but in the 1/5 game you do get a kill with them it is a little bonus. The real reason is because usually you won't be able to expend all 6 AIM-7Fs before you need to start maneuvering usually and so it's better to have less weight at that point.
after playing the kfir canard (i got it in the sales) it is actually a fun aircraft. its only flaw is it has little acceleration. F-1C 200 which i got way back yonder is ok its not the best but its quite a good vehicle to grind with but yes all the F-4 prems are a literal waste
To be fair I used to take the cannon Corsair into "top tier" when TT was mig15s and sabres. Id get 1-2 kills a match because everyone had jet confidence and tried to win turn fights and the Corsair isnt slow she can move and even actually fought migs in Korea. But trying to bring a prop against jets with afterburners is just dumb :|
Just a warning, with tip #1, if you have a Mach 1+ fighter like the kfir canard and you use aim9-g missiles with the 6 1000lb bombs you get 1.5 bases per game if you know what you’re doing. I did it and I get about 200k rp per hour if I get 1 base and 1 player kill per game, it will research a good bit as long as you know how to do it effectively
8:50 the problem is that they are doing it wrong. They should be flying higher then bomber, with normal throttle and in front of him to intercept enemy fighters earlier ;p
Bombers are only good for bait. At best, they might damage the enemy before you clean them up with a fighter. They contribute nothing and actively hurt the team by taking a slot that could have been a fighter. On the upside, though, they can sometimes save you some ammunition by getting rid of bad players that tailsit. So that's useful sometimes I guess 🤷
Phoenixes are very effective when you know how to use them, I take 4/2/2 and average 3 kills a game and at least 2 are usually from phoenixes. Launch 1 at 40km and then again at 30 and the second normally hits right after the go defensive from the first one. They're more effective at longer range anyways because they take a lot of time to get to max speed and the smoke trail will be gone. At the very least you'll force them defensive which opens them up for a very easy sparrow kill
If you are using the Phoenix properly 4is the most you would ever need I bring 4 aim54 2 aim7 and 2 aim 9 Phoenix is reserved for high alt high speed bandits that are closing and if they are low and slow which happens relatively often in high tier Jetsyou San get super easy kills cause the phoenix is doing Mach 3 and they aren’t even doing 700 kph
TL;DR 1) don't use bombs on fighter jets 2) balance your BR ratings between your vehicles 3) you don't ALWAYS have to take 6 phoenixes when using F14 4) (almost exclusively a US team problem) escorting bombers is a bad idea if you're a fighter 5) if you HAVE to escort bombers, use height to your advantage, and swoop enemies when they try to attack the bomber.
If you are going to do a multi-role, have enough bombs for one base and have them set so all drop at once, that way if you have an aircraft behind you, you can drop bombs and start dogfighting them (I'm looking at you f5c mains)
Boomed so many bases and killed a few people in fighters. If you don’t keep an eye on the enemy then they will sneak up on you. That don’t make attacking bases with fighters not good for competitive play. That just means you were not paying attention lol. Look all around you. And don’t let them get the jump on you.
Yeah I disagree with 2 of topics he talked about in this game. First one is multi-role and second one is 6 phoenix. Idk which type of players this video is aimed at but i feel like by the way he explains these things is like were braindead players. First of multi-role is the best way to grind(usually bomb and start fighting). Second one is the 6 phoenix, it is a really good missile in the right hands. I feel like he is one of those players that’s like “oh my phoenixes are not hitting so he comes into a conclusion that it is a bad missile”. Just like I said if the F-14 players knows what he’s doing it is a really dangerous missile.
@@meatbutter3510 yeah most of the time tomcat shoot me down its from well placed Phoenixes, now I don't know how many I dodge but when a good tomcat player uses a Phoenix it can be hard to avoid, and yeah fighter bombing is a great way to grind.
You dont play props much do you? Because plenty of fighters perform well at low speeds - many even better - and can pull energy out of nowhere. Plus if you get dived as a formation they're having to fight 1 maybe 2 fighters while dodging a bomber's guns. You say its a bad strat yet it consistently works with teammates in good planes and good formation simply because a bomber and 2 fighters will smoke a single fighter if they play it right. Not to mention if they have such an energy advantage and you're in say a spitfire you can easily out turn them and start regaining energy very quickly. Stick to jets because saying that its a stupid strat is bs. Its stupid if you dont know what you're doing - which you dont - but if you do know what you're doing its perfectly viable.
There was a B-29 in our jet lobby and we got 2 av-8s to land on him and act as flares it was sick😂
Pleaseeee upload the replay
Thats straight up the coolest shit ive ever heard
i remember i would escort the B-29s in my Me-163, if you just drop throttle to 20% you can still fly, but only use 1 second of fuel every 5 minutes
@@SomeOrdinaryJanitor EFFICIENCY
TWO? Yah right.
The chats you wrote as prop in jet match was scary accurate to the ones I actually saw, I felt physical pain while watching the video
If you're actually trying to escort a bomber effectively (as much as that can be done), the proper way to fly isn't side-by-side but above and in front. You want to counter-initiate someone going for an easy kill, not make yourself one of the targets.
I actually enjoy escorting my mate in a bomber or vice versa. We both understand it wont help either of us in any way but its nice to have a good time with a friend trying to stop them from dying whilst they gunship. Gives a bit of a break from the grind or basic prop gameplay of climb, dive, climb, etc.
Thank you. I was just about to say it’s just a fun break from the grind or at least to cope with it.
I feel that UA-camrs are being overly negative for views at the moment
Yeah we know its not practical but it looks so cool and that's what matters.
the thing about escorting is a lot of people just do it wrong, you want to sit about 3k away so that you have enough room to pounce on anything climbing up to take a shot at it, because it will usually be getting slow to take the shot.
I do it not because it’s necessary but it’s just fun, and that’s why I play the game. To have fun
Bomber escort can be a legit way to get some frags, but NEVER fly next to the bomber. Set up at least 2km higher and 1km in front, so you can dive on intercepting opponents. There's a reason fighter escorts didn't fly wing by wing with their bombers in real life either. So indeed, as you said "get some speed, get some altitude" :D
While people bring props into high tier deliberately is a problem, there is a ‘glitch’ where in a squad it can change your nation when you get put in a game. It happens in ground too and it’s really frustrating, but don’t hate any random guy for just being in a prop, it might not be their fault.
This happens to me soo often
Happened a few times yea
This happened to me and and I got mauled. I've only been playing a couple weeks.
While people bring props into high tier deliberately is a problem
how? i don't get the problem.
@@SSS333-AAA It technically puts the team at a disadvantage. But to be honest, I have never lost or won because of it.
If you still fly the F-14 take 6 7F’s and 2 9H’s don’t even waste your time on AIM-64s since 90% of you don’t know how to use them and be more of an annoyance than dangerous.
I usually take 2 phoenixes to fire at high fast flying targets. It makes them either go defensive or die, and then I can launch my 7F's at them.
@@braedynhoward3644 what would you say is the success rate of those 2 64s? (This is a serious question)
@@F-18Super In my experience ( I also run 4x Aim-7F 2x -54A and 2x 9H) I get about 1 kill for every 3-5 AIM-54 being fired
@@F-18Super I do the same, I fire 2 phoenixes at a distance of 25-30 km mainly, I fire them at targets that are maintaining a relatively high closure rate (at least 400m/s). Preferably at higher altitudes too. It has about a 50% hitrate for me, on average, 1 of the 2 hits.
But because I have to pick specific targets to fire at, taking more than 2 ends up being inneffective. The rest of my loadout are 2 9H and 4 7F.
@@Boris_The_Turtle Now I will admit the Aim-54s at the beginning of a match absolutely dictates where the enemy team flies and can easily give you an early advantage.
for every time I've seen a prop in top tier maybe 1/50 get a kill, honestly can't remember the last time i saw a prop get a kill in top tier; but sure as hell can remember them dying over and over being useless to there team
Can people even bring props into top tier? I haven't seen any outside of air AB so idk
people will squad together in air rb and bring in props whether its because they don't have a jet or just to meme
@@_S1mba it's ussualy premium top tier with 1. era prop
@@_S1mba you're just wrong. Im sure some people do deliberately take props into top tier, but in my experience, most prop players at those brs are people in a squad who tried to play a game in a vehicle at that tier but it changed the country they were playing to one a squdmate was to find a game faster or something not too dissimilar. But it can put you inn a game where the country you were trying to play was in your team. There is a glitch that does this, its not fair to hate on someone for being in a prop.
@Hubert "Your just wrong" if you think that the glitch is the only reason
I once escorted 2 Tu4s that decided to play on top tier instead and managed to chaff and flare missiles for them before i ran out and took the hit for them.
I AM STILL PROUD OF THAT TO THIS DAY
Don't let seek see this, he'll get super mad and tell you that you didn't
"Im jUst tyNing tO hAve FuN BRO, I'll probaBLY gEt MorE KilLs tHan You AnYwaY" - every prop-in-top-tier-jets enjoyer
@@joshg.4608 No, it actually isn't like that. They just fucking die or the match ends before they can do anything.
Honestly the multirole makes sense when the stock grind is just plain ass, and it has to be fast enough to make it. The primary candidates for that are phantoms and tornadoes
The thing I enjoy about 4 phoenix users is the fact it forces the enemy team slow. Like a firefight, suppressing fire is a great tactic that can be achieved even with a radar lock on a target. When that radar lock comes up, now players have to worry about if it's an r27er screaming in to kill them.
correcto
Works on me. I don't sit up there playing guess who.
I haven't played a huge amount of the F-14, but I've found that only taking 2x AIM54s and loading up on Sparrows is the way to go.
Literally my exact loadout. Lob them at long range from high altitude in TWS and watch the snipe show begin.
I usually take 4 Phoenixes but probably should use 2 instead...
IRL they discovered early on that flying with the bombers in formation was useless, so fighter escort late war meant clearing the way ahead of them not flying together with them
Same with ships too. Destroyers being in neat cinematic formations just got them killed without accomplishing anything
a good tip if you really want to bomber escort be at a minimum of 2k ft/ 600 m above them so that you can actually get energy when you engage the enemy engaging your bomber!... this strat was common irl in ww2 where they needed to stay really high above the bomber to be most useful so if you are gonna do this plz take into consideration your energy being most necessary for survivability.
Regarding multi-role fighters: I love the Kfir Canard. Six 1000lb bombs and two AIM-9Gs, and sometimes I add five 500lb bombs. Go for bases first (The 1000s do one base and the 500s can do half of another). Reaching bases by going wide and low works bc the Canard is super fast, and once you drop you can climb quickly above everyone else and pick off enemies occupied with your teammates. I easily do 1-4 bases and 1-4 enemies a match (depending on how often i can resupply, usually 1 base and 1-2 enemies per run). With premium bonus included, I can quietly do 30k-50k SL and 5k-10k RP a match. Really fast and efficient grinder plane.
It's rather sad the cap for rp every time is 10k.
I do this also. It's probably my favourite plane, especially since the decompression and gets down tiered alot, which makes it a God tier plane
Better to carry just enough ordnance to kill one base, youll be faster
2-4 Phoenix missiles. 2 Ain 7’s and 9H’s
With the multi role bombing deal, players are kind of forced into it. The guaranteed RP gain for bombing over mate getting a pvp kill is just meh at best.
I think until they implement a better system that won’t go away.
6 7F’s and 2H’s are all you need in the F-14
@@F-18Super yeah but not when you're stock bruh, which is why he is saying people are kinda forced into it.
@@5h4d0w_K1ng. Ye and he's taking about the F14. The Phoenixes are the last missile in the modification tree, there's nothing forcing you to use them.
@@gsilvy4k570 oh, I was referring to the multi-role bomb strat that players use. Bombing bases and going for ground targets and possibly getting a kill or two is how most people stock grind in these top tier jets.
@@5h4d0w_K1ng. My fault.
This video should be titled “5 Things You Should Stop Having Fun with in War Thunder” nothing of value was said in 10 minutes.
cope
i’ve done the 6 phoenix thing many times, but when I rtb i swap my load out to sparrows and sidewinders. I average 3 kills a game with the sparrows at least, and even more if the phoenixes actually connect. If nothing else, i see it as more pressure being out on the enemies.
I assure you, you do not average 3 kills a game. You’re probably confusing KD with KB. 3 kills per battle is amongst the greatest players in the game. (Overall - not vehicle specific)
@@SeekerHead what stops him from getting a 3 kill average game? Its like youre so sure that he is not one of those “one of the greatest” in the game. If youre used to seeing average players doesnt mean everyone is
@@SeekerHead I assure you, you don't know other players experience based on your own
@@SeekerHead homie ik ur ego cant take it but got proof he dont?
Nice vid as usual. Was in your uptiered game and was malding lol
Very based of you
Very valid and true talking points for playing the game competitively...
However, after 3000+ hours I have spent in this game; playing with friends and taking props into top tier, multi-rolling, bomber escorting, and going phoenix mode are all some great ways to change up the repetitive nature of WarThunder to just have fun.
Being in a discord call with a 3 ship of BV238s in formation over F-16s and Mig-29s is not competitive but rather a good time (in fact you can argue this is encouraged by Gaijin with Thunder Show and the "God Mode" achievement").
TBF everything he said is right, you probably shouldnt be able to do it and i agree on that; but at the same time also agree that if your enjoyment in the game so heavily depends on winning and what OTHER people are doing, you need help. Play the game for fun, if thats bringing a P-51 up to 11.3 every once in a while to fuck about, go for it as long as you arent affecting anyone else which the only way to actually do so would be teamkilling using the P-51. Maybe i just dont take the game seriously enough or something but when i see a prop at top tier i just chuckle and move on with my day and couldnt give less of a shit. I personally dont do that, i dont see the fun in it; but if thats fun to someone else more power to them. What someone else is doing in a game that really only rewards selfish gameplay (plus people end up bitching about teamwork anyhow) does NOT affect you, grow up and just shoot shit and do good on YOUR part. Winning is nice and it gives a little bonus and im happy to win, but dont sit and make your enjoyment rely 100% on winning.
taking 6 phoenixes, launching them really fast and then going back to base for a normal loadout is actually quite good (especially in EC maps, where u wont be missing much action by rtb'ing anyway.)
That’s why you make presets.
6 Phoenix is tactically stupid, but also funni. Typically only done when you have squad of 4. So you have 24 of them flying towards the enemy.
Last escort fighter I saw ended up pulling a u turn and going the opposite way down the runway when everyone was still taking off, crashing into the guy he wanted to cover
Escorting bombers can actiually work fine from my experience, just instead of slowing down by lowering throttle you slow down by climbing above the bomber so you can B&Z anyone who approaches. It does increase the bomber player's survivability and makes for a lot of kill oppertunities for the fighter. It still may not be the absolute most optimal way of playing the game, but it makes for satisfying teamwork.
Just recently got the f-14, best load out imo is 2 aim9h, 2 Phoenix, and rest sparrow. Fly high at start and use your radar to catch people trying to fly high, send two phoenixs out on different targets and then then and go cold to avoid the 50 missiles that were launched at you lmao. Is always satisfying to get a fox 3 kill. I like to call it the fox 3 lottery. Another piece of advice for bvr is let the missile cook, I've gotten some crazy nutty 35-40km sparrow kills, the missiles travels for a long time but many people decide to break lock and go oh well guess it didn't hit, but give the missile a chance more often than not it's doing its job. Countless times I've launched a missile and it feels like it's been traveling for minutes and just as I'm about to give up on it I'll get aircraft destroyed.
Escorting mates in bombers does help. The fact alone that there's more aircraft sometimes gets people to not attack the bomber in the first place. A lone bomber is always a juicy targets. And you can still hunt fighters once ur mate goes rtb after dropping
So basically "Don't do anything to actually help win the game. Play in a way that helps me more"
Bombing bases never wins a game. Shooting AI ground targets could with ticket drain, but fighters can do that. Bombers themselves are useless to the team. Troll squading is of course not going to help you win and neither is shooting off 6 fail missiles and immediately leaving the battle to airfield. Sounds like i just struck a nerve of yours
Bobrunning 24/7 isn't helping the team win the game lol.
Bombers are pretty much parasites lol.
For the F14, its actually not a bad idea to have the 2 Aim54s on the rear most mounts, since all you can do is either strap bombs onto it, or a single Aim 7. However you can also have 2 Aim 54s on the mount. IMO the 2 Aim 54s are a better choice then the single Aim 7, the 2 Aim 54s usually get me 1 kill every other match and the aim 7s clean up the rest.
the TL;DR of this video is basically "whats the point in playing the game if you arent gonna take it seriously" i dont get why people are like this about this game, its a game, have fun, do what you want, no one cares if they win or lose the match, the game doesnt have to be one large sweatfest, if people did what was said here it would turn air rb into ground rb
“no none cares if they win or lose the match” - 70% of the playerbase bitching the grind is too hard then actively throw matches and refuse to get win bonuses.
Bro got his kills stolen by a couple F-14's spamming phoenix missiles an still lost he match, so he went straight to YT
i use my f4e to grind new toptier, i have a talisman on it and bombing bases is real nice for RP, then i still have 4 9j's
In uptiers I bomb truck my f4e. I found it works surprisingly well as long as you know the maps and how players generally behave on a given map. Plus its the only way for me to actually get kills because it puts me in the back lines behind the very scary planes that are better than mine in every way. Fast and low around the side of the map and pop off with df missiles while all the bad guys are distracted in the furball
Story of my F4 career.
#1 best bomber escort is a person who kills the fighters before they reach the bomber in the first place
#2 props are decent in jet matches but to an extent I’d say maximum extreme maximum is 9.3 and even then you are limited on prop choice you need something that handles high speed and has enough fire power to kill on a small window. Usually things like Fw-190s or Tempest.. then you pick on the jets that are locked in a dogfight.. after that props are useless due to missiles and just they get too fast as a jet and the window of fire is too small to do any meaningful damage or even get some shots off as for tanks taking a low tier into a high tier is completely different than planes considering generally how tanks are made they have more restrictions than an aircraft usually there is a spot on every MBT that a reserve can punch through.
Does not mean it’s useful to the team.
#3 biggest tip here… in ground battles do not die once and leave
Only reason I ever took bombs on my 4e is because I had one day left to grind out the naval line before they did construction work on the local power grid.
Honestly at the beginning of the match i like escorting bombers to kill some noobs attacking it.
I lost count how many times I got called derogatory names for saying escorting bombers is a BAD idea.
thank you for bringing up the 6 pheonix issue, it is horrible to watch it happen
It's annoying honestly, for the team and the enemy. not to mention if the game is on 11.7 br, so 3 f16 and shitton of 14
Horrible? A little much? Playing tanks and starting 10 seconds behind everyone because youre heating your hot pocket then getting sniped in the spawn across the map is horrible! I just watch them F-14's laugh and then play the game. At least the F-14's are scaring somebody halfway across the map and forcing down people from space. Try to use stupidity to an advantage.
I only once had a teammate doing that, maybe it was worse when the F-14 got added a year ago (too early)
@@tooshmart6669 but it's not like the phoenix's hit half the time. You can take 10 seconds max to notch it and as long as your on the deck the missile isn't going to hit anyway. It's just how they will fire them all of, get 1 or 2 kills then land and rinse and repeat
ive always wanted to have a full team of f14s bring all aim 54s. be fun to see a mass launch of them or to send them in waves
Bombing bases and then going fighter mode is the only thing that's viable for grinding modules for certain planes. Im always flying the Su-17M4 and used to do that but now that I have it spaded i still carry two tv guided missiles, they can be launched far away and gives me time to focus on the enemy instead. At the very least i get two ground units and some RP.
The only reason I managed to grind the upgrade missiles for my Phantom was because I was bombing bases. It at least gives you a baseline RP per match considering stock loadouts suck. In my experience, I grind out fighters with bombs at least twice as fast compared to fighters that don't carry bombs
4:45 usually I get 6 phoenixes 20-30 mins of fuel, go up a bit and speed up, always send 2 missles per person, to dodge one is easy, but to can be tricky to notch or avoid in quite some situations, usually i get 2 or so kills with that, and then RTB, usually the match is almost done when I land or i take 4 aim-7's and aim-9's and 2 phoenixes to clean up the last few players. really effective strat in my experience, but if you only send 1 phoenix per person, the strat is quite dogwater in my experience
#2 in tank battles is kinda fun tbh, but not in jets at all in the slightest. The early-tier 150mm tank destroyers like the Spj Fm 43-44 are a decently fun way to grind SL, at least for players who are better at the game than I am.
The pheonix missile doesn't pull very much G, but typically what I like to do is get ultra high and fast, like Mach 1.3 and 15kft+, then around 40 miles I'll launch a couple of the 54's, first one TWS, second one STT but a little later, and from a different aspect as the first one. So 40mi and 35-28mi are both pheonix shots, then I'll crank holding the lock until slowly they both break (wasting time for the missiles to close, and to scrap theirs)
THEN, believe it or not, I run two dogfight sparrows, and launch that around 10-13 miles, and of course the 9G or 9H. It's basically the 2x2x2 but with two more 54s.
Only really usable in Simulator, but if you have cloud coverage hiding your cons and the missiles, and use the radar tilt to look down effectively without losing altitude. Not to mention you can at times murder bomber formations from 50 miles away.
The F14 is a big brain plane and it has a lot of potential outside of the "meta"
Do you think you could make a short video on how to counter aim 9Cs? I see alot of players who don't know how to counter them or don't even know about them
Point 3 (not like i care about jets) but said strategy sounds like ironically something very smart to do. 6 quick chances for a kill, and then run RTB. Money and no repair costs, valid strategy.
I always carry a mix of missiles on my F14. I stage them for ranges like a layered offense/defense. Phoenix first, Sparrow, then sidewinder. Sometimes I completely leave out the sparrow, but I always keep the sidewinder. It's reliable. The range on the sidewinders helps deal with their poor flight characteristics. You can fire them from far enough away that the enemy usually isn't expecting them. As for escorting bombers, I tend to climb to at most 1km above them and fly in a large S flight path to keep my speed up while staying close to them and technically not outpacing them. I only do this for friends, and even then it's not common.
F5C has a much better time than the F5E at base bombing, the difference in BR is HUGE. Also loadout is important, F5C you should only bring in 4 napalms to get a single base kill, anything more wont net you huge rewards and hurts the planes performance too much leaving you even more vulnerable. Biggest thing for bombing bases is you HAVE to spend 80% of the time looking behind you, 19% above you and 1% in front of you. You should also be on the deck not chilling a few thousand feet up trying to dive bomb with the F5. Bomb just like you would in the phantom and just get used to doing it without the bomb spot indicator. Also helps to play with friends who are focusing on pure dog fighting to help cover you or friends willing to flip roles every few games. Base bombing is just too big of a reward to not do, especially when you are hurting for SL.
Bring 2 napalm and. a 2000lb bomb it’s super fast and can kill the base
When you learn how to use the AIM-7F it is a far superior weapon to the Phoenix for everything except extreme long range. You can use it in dogfights, it has good min range, and it's still decent at BVR. My load out for most games on the maps that are far too small for the Tomcat is 6 AIM-7Fs and 2 AIM-9Hs. When it's an EC map I usually bring 4 Phoenixes, 2 Sparrows and 2 Sidewinders, so I can lob 4 Phoenixes at the high alt enemies at 30 miles and scare the crap out of them when it goes pitbull and I'm still good for actually fighting enemies.
Escorting bombers, ah, what lost the Germans the Battle of Britain. If you're slow in a fighter, you're dead. If you want to escort, keep climbing above your bomber pal and gain more energy so you can dive on any enemy interceptors.
The only time you need escort is when you are already getting attacked and are close to your friendlies
1:50 I love that you watch the F-4J drop his bombs on the base and then you go to drop yours and complain you wasted bomb
i’m making fun of these types of player
@@SeekerHead definitely
If people want to Bomb then RB EC needs to return as Bombing would actually work towards ECs objective goals. RB queue is PVP and PVP only.
Well if you're stock, bombing is the only way to upgrade your fighter especially if you're in a phantom
9:10 Absolutely the case. Hell, last time I played the Tu-4 with a few friends, we had a bunch of games where teammates would run towards one of us to clear their six. It worked every time though, because god damn that's a lot of 23s.
the 6 pheonix spam strategy will almost never work due to the few times it has worked for people, its so horrifiying and annoying to see and then you are just dead that now EVERYONE knows "if your fighting the american tree, stick to the deck no matter what" so now it cant even be done because its impossible due to the trauma caused from it.
I carry 4 aim 54, it's a decent missle and now usable with the added range of maps. Even then using all 4 I usually only get 1 kill sometimes 2. Who to I take them then. The pure range means I can launch 4 get a few kills before I need to get into ranges where I'm vulnerable. Which allows me to assess and change position before engaging with sparrows and sidewinders
You can't go fighter mode with bombs attached. Multirole fighters armed for A2G work do carry A2A weapons, but only for defense, but they also usually have an escorting flight and are prepared to jettison those bombs if they get jumped. The Phoenix missile was designed for shooting down Soviet bombers or the anti-ship missiles they could launch.
i will stop using phoenixes when the Timmys stop dying to them.
I remember when in my first air RB i get escorted (i was b34), and bro really did good job. Really thanks to that team work i start playing air RB
I had to bring that one Chaika into that one game to try to kill a jet that one time. I got the kill but also I have not done it since, it was still cool for me though. I also had brought my jets for what it is worth so the first three or so minutes I was mostly useless.
Do the GE for WT work with Xbox or only PC?
I have a question, I haven't played warthunder in about 2-3months and when I came back I noticed some things about props and jets but I'll focus on jets did the aim-9bs get buffed? Because I was playing the F3H-2 and chased a enemy and fired a missile (aim-9b) and he turned fairly hard but the missile tracked and killed him.. which confused me because I never seen a 9b do that before
All missiles pull harder
I don't think 99% of the player base knows how to properly escort😂
I did the lower tier in a high tier thing a few times for the achievement, I flew in a Beaufort and my rear gunner pilot sniped a Mig-15.
"This is a bad idea, do not do it!" * proceeds to get two kills straight away*
The only 2 I've done was the multirole and bringing a lower tier plane to a higher tier lobby, I do the multirole thing in my F4J to get repair cost money then I fight, and I uptiered myself in arcade to get god mode once or twice.
Do you know if the GE for WT app is coming out for iOS?
Bombing yields more research than getting player kills. same for silver lions. How do I know? I used a a-10 to experiment. Smaller bombs yield more silver lions while larger ones yield more research.
Edit: plane kills yield more silver lions. bombing yields more research for the most part.
I had a guy bring a LA-5 I think into a 9.0 lobby, after he proceeded to something invariably cringe and unfunny in chat I made fun of him and his buddy for it, he said he'd do better than me(neither of them did) they both challenged me to a 1v1 and I beat them both.
Those are the only times it's worth ever putting the amount of effort I put into this game
i fucking hate reddit
the ad he plays is definitly one of those apps where you could theoritically get GE but in reality it would take like 4 months of downloading apps on your phone to get any GE
I do the first one with the f16 and it works about 80% of the time. A base and 2 to 3 kills. I profit so I see no issue
if you don’t want the boring monotony of always attack players. then taking a bomb load with some missle spices things up. highly suggest doing it in a fast vehicle ex. f16 or f14
Yes pressing space on a stationary computer. Very spicy and engaging gameplay…
I'm surprised you mentioned bomber escorts without mentioning players dumping all their altitude for a bomber kill. I watched my entire team dive on a low flying b-17. I look up and the entire team is flying twords me.
As far as bombers go, I think they should just stick together then split off closer to targets. That’s a much more efficient use of the resources and fighters that are available.
I’ve never used the Phoenix, I’m taking 2x 9H and 6x 7F and I do excellent games. I still need to learn more flying techniques and positioning. I do a lot of 1k 1d games
I at one point in time took 6 aim 54s only. Not even sidewinders. Min fuel and took off so fast and b line straight to enemy. Fire my 6 54s and rtb while dropping flares and would get 3-4 kills most games. Cause I didn’t have the extra weight of fuel and went as fast as possible at the enemy they didn’t even have time to even get to mach 1 for me to kill them.
Being real with you, just about the most efficient and consistent way I have found to grind for the F-16 is based bombing with the F4E. 9 times out of 10 I get at least one base, most of the time I'm getting two.
Likewise I would say about half the matches I get at least one kill as well and from a time standpoint it's incredibly efficient.
Using the F4E air-to-air is so inconsistent right now.
It's more effective for you right now because you are still too bad at air to air.
When you are good enought it's much faster to grind doing air to air only because you are consistent.
The question is do you want to get good as fast as possible or do you want to grind as fast as possible ? Taking bomb gives you less opportunity to improove at air to air wich is bad for you in the long run imo.
@@vedeved5246 so it's more efficient for majority of player base lol
I agree with all but the first one, multi role or fighter bomber is the best way to grind in air RB, i grinded almost all of top tier germany air with the f4f bombing bases.
"Through the lens of being competitive and getting better at the game"
Hitting space doesn't improve your skills lol
@@frostedbutts4340 Neither is burning on your SL on repairs because you have no flares vs Su-25ks
I have had great games escorting bomber, it can work well because they can peal off to another bomber, escorts need to keep 100% and weave back and forth in a large patern yo keep your speed up
One small addition: people need to avoid full-commit headon trades with the first enemy they see.
The thing with escorting bombers, nobody does it right and everyone gets mad when you tell them not to _form up._ Always see people flying wing-to-wing with the bomber, trying to get as close as possible, often popping smoke, never in an advantageous position above and off to the side of the bomber, at altitude.
Prop matches where a bomber asks for escort often devolve into air shows where 3 fighters dive to the deck with a bomber, presenting the enemy with a feeding frenzy and leaving the team at a multi-aircraft disadvantage, moreso than if there was just a couple bombers unescorted. Basically the same thing eventually happens with prop failsquads in jets.
I blame WT's squad rewards being based on sticking ridiculously close
But do spend $60 on the F-5C…best financial mistake of my life!
I grind with 6 phoenixes, launch em all, good matches I get 3 kills on first salvo, usually 1 though. land and rearm, this time with 2 sparrows for self defence if I come to need them, though match is usually over by this point (entire allied or enemy team is basically dead) so mostly I just j out and wait, I like this cause then I don't pay repair costs, and that does matter to me who doesn't have premium
6 phoenixes at the start of the game makes the enemy team either go defensive at the start or go down in flames because they don't care about looking for missile contrails/ don't know how to evade
The best part about the people who 'escort' bombers is they aren't even escorting them in the WWII sense. If they were they would be 2+km above the bombers, and would be out in front to engage the interceptors BEFORE they reach the formation. Y'know, performing a fighter sweep like escort planes are supposed to do? They are just mouse aiming in shitty formation.
As far as AIM-54s go, I think it is best to take 2 and launch them early in the match. Sure you usually won't hit anything, but in the 1/5 game you do get a kill with them it is a little bonus. The real reason is because usually you won't be able to expend all 6 AIM-7Fs before you need to start maneuvering usually and so it's better to have less weight at that point.
Hey, you gotta get that God Mode medal somehow
Edit: Hey now! The Mirage F1 is a good boy!
after playing the kfir canard (i got it in the sales) it is actually a fun aircraft. its only flaw is it has little acceleration. F-1C 200 which i got way back yonder is ok its not the best but its quite a good vehicle to grind with but yes all the F-4 prems are a literal waste
To be fair I used to take the cannon Corsair into "top tier" when TT was mig15s and sabres. Id get 1-2 kills a match because everyone had jet confidence and tried to win turn fights and the Corsair isnt slow she can move and even actually fought migs in Korea. But trying to bring a prop against jets with afterburners is just dumb :|
Can you use that app you talked about at the start on apple iPhone
You got 4 escorts??? If i ever ask i get none, even in the Yer-2 which is super easy to escort cuz its so slow and poor climbing
Just a warning, with tip #1, if you have a Mach 1+ fighter like the kfir canard and you use aim9-g missiles with the 6 1000lb bombs you get 1.5 bases per game if you know what you’re doing. I did it and I get about 200k rp per hour if I get 1 base and 1 player kill per game, it will research a good bit as long as you know how to do it effectively
8:50 the problem is that they are doing it wrong. They should be flying higher then bomber, with normal throttle and in front of him to intercept enemy fighters earlier ;p
Bombers are only good for bait. At best, they might damage the enemy before you clean them up with a fighter. They contribute nothing and actively hurt the team by taking a slot that could have been a fighter. On the upside, though, they can sometimes save you some ammunition by getting rid of bad players that tailsit. So that's useful sometimes I guess 🤷
Phoenixes are very effective when you know how to use them, I take 4/2/2 and average 3 kills a game and at least 2 are usually from phoenixes. Launch 1 at 40km and then again at 30 and the second normally hits right after the go defensive from the first one. They're more effective at longer range anyways because they take a lot of time to get to max speed and the smoke trail will be gone. At the very least you'll force them defensive which opens them up for a very easy sparrow kill
you don’t average 3 kills a game
@@SeekerHead in the tomcat it's pretty easy to get average 2-3 kills a game
@@sageg58
What's your nickname ? Let us see your stat card.
No. I think you mean a 2-3 KD. But you don’t average 3 Kill per battle.
Dudes right ngl I also get but with 2 phoenixes 2 aim 7s and 2 aim9s
If you are using the Phoenix properly 4is the most you would ever need I bring 4 aim54 2 aim7 and 2 aim 9 Phoenix is reserved for high alt high speed bandits that are closing and if they are low and slow which happens relatively often in high tier Jetsyou San get super easy kills cause the phoenix is doing Mach 3 and they aren’t even doing 700 kph
If you wanna be a lil faster with that f5E, you only need 4 Blu-27 for a base
TL;DR
1) don't use bombs on fighter jets
2) balance your BR ratings between your vehicles
3) you don't ALWAYS have to take 6 phoenixes when using F14
4) (almost exclusively a US team problem) escorting bombers is a bad idea if you're a fighter
5) if you HAVE to escort bombers, use height to your advantage, and swoop enemies when they try to attack the bomber.
If you are going to do a multi-role, have enough bombs for one base and have them set so all drop at once, that way if you have an aircraft behind you, you can drop bombs and start dogfighting them (I'm looking at you f5c mains)
Hey that's what I already do man! Problem is actually getting to the bases.
@@Lewd-Tenant_Isanmy bad, and yep
Bomber escorting works, you fly above the bomber and you dive on the fighter climbing towards the bomber
Boomed so many bases and killed a few people in fighters. If you don’t keep an eye on the enemy then they will sneak up on you.
That don’t make attacking bases with fighters not good for competitive play.
That just means you were not paying attention lol.
Look all around you. And don’t let them get the jump on you.
Using the F4J doing fighter-bombing i got the F16 in 2 days, without premium or talisman. It grinds really well if you know how to use it.
Yeah I disagree with 2 of topics he talked about in this game. First one is multi-role and second one is 6 phoenix. Idk which type of players this video is aimed at but i feel like by the way he explains these things is like were braindead players. First of multi-role is the best way to grind(usually bomb and start fighting). Second one is the 6 phoenix, it is a really good missile in the right hands. I feel like he is one of those players that’s like “oh my phoenixes are not hitting so he comes into a conclusion that it is a bad missile”. Just like I said if the F-14 players knows what he’s doing it is a really dangerous missile.
@@meatbutter3510 yeah most of the time tomcat shoot me down its from well placed Phoenixes, now I don't know how many I dodge but when a good tomcat player uses a Phoenix it can be hard to avoid, and yeah fighter bombing is a great way to grind.
You dont play props much do you? Because plenty of fighters perform well at low speeds - many even better - and can pull energy out of nowhere. Plus if you get dived as a formation they're having to fight 1 maybe 2 fighters while dodging a bomber's guns. You say its a bad strat yet it consistently works with teammates in good planes and good formation simply because a bomber and 2 fighters will smoke a single fighter if they play it right. Not to mention if they have such an energy advantage and you're in say a spitfire you can easily out turn them and start regaining energy very quickly. Stick to jets because saying that its a stupid strat is bs. Its stupid if you dont know what you're doing - which you dont - but if you do know what you're doing its perfectly viable.
Sure buddy, do you want to share your in game name for us to see if you are good in props ?
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The bomber one with escorts, me in my b25 with 7 XP-50s escorting and our fighters getting steam rolled