Interestingly we have multiple explanations for that😂 One saying is that 4 was originally set aside for the AGV of Alstom, but eventually this didn’t happen
China's high-speed rail development strategy is a typical microcosm of many industries in China. It attracts foreign advanced manufacturers through huge order amounts, makes foreign contractors compete with each other through superb negotiation skills and irresistible amounts, and forces technology transfer (of course, you can refuse the technology transfer, nothing more than losing the bidding, but this will make you lose huge orders, and then fall behind in the next round of technological evolution) Then China unites the large-scale state-owned enterprises controlled by him to absorb as many technologies as possible, integrates new technical standards, and then promotes them in the huge domestic market, because the huge scale far exceeds the foreign markets and is widely used. China can quickly iterate on technology, and it won't take long for China to defeat all the previous advanced foreign suppliers and win industry hegemony. But such a strategy is not easy to replicate. You need a huge market, strong state institutions, a large and fully controlled state-owned enterprise group, a large number of hard-working science and engineering talents and workers. It is very difficult to absorb a large amount of technology and fast engineering construction in a short period of time. Speed is everything. If you slow down, technology you learned before may have fallen behind. You must know that the previous supplier will not provide you with the most advanced technology. If it is too Slow, by the time you fully apply it, it may have become a technology that needs to be eliminated. Maybe India fits the bill?
you're right. market for technology. Indonesia did the same, China will transfer certain technology to Indonesia for the HSR contract. but whether they can obsorb or not is their problem.
@@土豆撒 I only can tell you , Indonesia learns step by step like a baby learning to walk before running. First we absorb the fast civil construction method. Lots of our own infrastructure construction method is learnt from China. Later we build the train sets , most likely using Chinese made parts that for sure. That is why in our HSR development instead of doing a stand alone execution , we form a JVC with CRRI ( subsidiary of CRH ) , called PT. KCIC , which will be the backbone of other HSR projects in Indonesia. The main civil contractor , Sinohidro , was already in Indonesia since 2007 and got lots of new infra with our own SOE , especially the BRI and GMF ( Global Maritime Fulcrum) , initiated in 2015 between China and Indonesia. What worries the US and Japan now is that China is no 1 investor in Indonesia this year and will grow more higher. President Jokowi and his political party has a long history established from 1955 between Pres Sukarno and Chairman Mao. Our GDP PPP is increased fast because we took the lead from China ( not US) . ✌️🌎🇮🇩🤝🇨🇳🙏
@@steveman888 You know US actually made and still make very efficient diesel locos? For HSRs things can be very different between Japan and Europe, or even between two European countries. That's why Chinese imported trains from all over the world. Limit yourself to just Chinese POV is dumb, and at the same time burn bridges with Japan would only do more harm than good.
This is a typical way to master a foreign tech: introduce it from foreign-imitate it- enhance it and let it become a thing of yourself gradually, some other examples includes CN aircraft carrier and internet
Technology wasn’t imitated in this case. It was paid for and transferred. But now China has improved on that and leads the world. It’s a case of the student now better than the teacher.
Holy cow, an English YT video about China that isn't just "CHINA BAD" repeated ad nauseum. I didn't know such unbiased videos were still legal in the English language.
@@boiscooka232🤡😂 u comparing apples and oranges ? U know its not 143 km route its 508 km route with fully elevated tracks not on ground like Indonesia mostly track ! (Exception is only 25 km long under sea tunnle) u comparing totally different things 😂
It seems that the Ministry of Railways of China has basically obtained the technologies of the four high-speed railway manufacturing groups that bid through a very strict bidding contract and a very attractive market. But now it seems that, in addition to earning profits from the number of trains required in the contract and a batch of parts that Chinese railway manufacturers could not produce by themselves at that time, they have cultivated a new competitor by themselves.
The global high-speed rail market is very small. Because high-speed rail construction is very expensive, not many countries can afford it. The countries in which these companies are based also do not offer large enough markets. Holding a lot of technology and waiting to die or selling technology at a high price may create a competitor. What would you choose? Normal people would choose the latter. After all, they are not the only companies with technology.Of course they don't sell the latest technology. This way they can still stay ahead (at least that's what they think, but unfortunately China is a monster)
I like taking those Fuxing trains way more than other types, even faster, smarter, way more comfortable, and with a lot of high techs. China made huge progress in trains definitely.
7:22 correction: the Guangzhou-Shenzhen Railway is not the route shown in the video. It is the mainland part of the Kowloon-Canton Railway, which was modernized into a 4-track line with a top operating speed of 200km/h. The Guangzhou-Shenzhen high speed railway was built in 2005. It began its services in 2011, with a top speed of 350km/h.
The CR400AF-Z has the best exterior design IMO especially the headlight placement. Whereas the standard CR400AF and CR400BF has a somewhat weird headlight design and placement, the CR400AF-Z's design is just right. But of course, be sure to share to us your favourite high speed train as we all have our personal favourites
it gotta be the Velaro for me I personally think that the ICE 3/early Velaro series literally have the perfect design for a high speed train and really it’s impossible to get any better than that
16:08 correction: the top speed of the Mercitalia Rail Fast ETR500 in service was limited to 250 km / h, not 180. The service was unluckily created just before the pandemic, so it quickly became economically inconventient. The service was stopped in late 2022, with the locos planned to be sent back to the mother company Trenitalia (passenger service) and the cars put in a garage for now.
I mean, freight saw a boom during covid, so I think high speed train freight had all its chances... thought there might have been other factors. But I don't know whether it's fair to blame everything on the covid, if it's not a viable market, then that's it.
Not satisfied with pushing the boundaries of speed, endurance and civil engineering, Chinese companies are among the first in the world to introduce new technology such as autonomous (driverless) train operation and advanced signaling and control technology. The driverless “bullet trains” connecting Beijing and Zhangjiakou in northern Hebei province are capable of hitting speeds up to 350 kph, making them the world’s fastest autonomous trains.
Wait a minute ... if China put out the bid, and paid the bidders won the contract to transfer technology, and later developed next generation of the said technology on their own, then where's the bit about "Stole its High-Speed Trains Technology"? And if they didn't steal it, why'd you put it in the title?.... It's a rhetorical question, but you know, in most places in the world, it's an insult if you accused someone for stealing, to say nothing of it being a false accusation.... wait, are you American?
It's probably a bit of clickbait, but the emphasis on the "actually" in the title implies it's addressing a commonly-held belief, rather than being an accusation. The video does a good job of answering the question in the title, but at the same time doesn't address the question directly at all
The fact the china demands a technology transfer in its bid for the trains its like asking Apple to hand them proprietary technology just because you bought a thousand units or ask the recipe for a dish just because you ordered a dozen. Its cunning but stupid on the sellers part and kind of stealing on the chinese part. Like who would bought into that.
@@marczapatos2229based on my understanding. its the standard operation to get green light to buy the technology. buy the products at some quantity, then youll be allowed to buy the tech. and it separate transaction for transfering.
Some insider-ish insight: my father used to work for Alstom, though he worked on other infrastructure projects like subways and not HSR. Basically, many of these companies didn't take China seriously. My dad would tell me that he had a harder time trying to get through to the head honchos in Paris than through China's notorious bureaucracy (and the bureaucracy was really bad, basically ping-pong sessions between departments that were afraid to take responsibility). The Alstom heads were well-paid executives in their cozy European offices, who sort of viewed China as some unimportant backyard. Sure, this is Unthinkable now, but basically try to imagine you're an HSR executive Now and you're in charge of the India or (random examples) Nigeria or Mexican markets. Surely you're also thinking "meh." China took advantage of that attitude.
I mean, in the east, now china and japan compete in south and southeast asia to build region's high speed rail lines. No one would consider lightly how important developing market now. Japan won India and Vietnam (which was later changed to China), with China won the bid in Indonesia and Thailand. None of us in SEA would consider Alstom or Siemens-made HST now.
@@kanojune5754Japan give India back then India in 2000s technology of metro systems Now India have build 11 new Metro system all over India in last 10 years some of them broken record's which are finished construction in fastest Pace ! For example kanpur city metro which took 2 and half year ! And later Nagpur city metro neo which took only 1year 7 months to Complete ! At the we all are humans ! If got right teaching's can easily aquire any skill
well blame colonial legacy railways and non investment in those due to wanting to follow the western "model" hence the car centric urban planning around SE Asia. ( only Singapore is a better city on transit oriented urban planning but it's still deeply car centric) tho every large metropolitan cities are planning to expand it's transit better
Legacy hand-dug at-grade rail lines aren't conducive to HSR (it's fine for freight though which themselves are still needed). It wasn't until the 1960s when Japan's Shinkansen figured out how much tunneling and bridging is required to make one happen. Sadly the urban sprawl that has happened since means it just gets exponentially more expensive to buy out the right of way required.
@@doujinflip Speeding up existing lines isn't a real option for narrow gauge railways when stability is worse than standard gauge. In fact even in modern times, only a handful can run at 160km/h - then Hokuhoku Line in Japan, North Coast Line in Queensland Australia which is also powered by Japanese trains, and West Coast Line in Malaysia. In contrast existing standard gauge lines can sustain 200km/h~250km/h with some enhancements and maybe a tilting train, depending on track conditions. In fact that has been done in multiple European countries, China or even US, which is quite behind in HSR technologies.
Thank you for your unbiased, objective video. Yes, the Hexie series was created under several foreign technology transfers, and most of its patents were only valid inside China, hence it couldn't be exported abroad. Then came the Fuxing series, which was developed completely with more advanced domestic technologies, and could be exported via the OBOR initiative without any problems.
That doesn't make it any less problematic, though, does it? Sure, western companies provided the technology and know-how voluntarily, but China's business practices really wouldn't fly in much of the rest of the world. I'm not a protectionist by any means, but I sort of get why many European countries are so reluctant to procure Chinese trains after what happened with Siemens, Alstom or Kawasaki.
@@jurajkovac8507China itself has more than 75% of the world's high-speed EMU market, which is why the so-called trade protectionism is so ridiculous. China has purchased the equivalent of 4,000 standard trainsets（every 8 cars equal to a standard trainset, 16 cars train equal to two standard trainsets） of high-speed EMUs in the past 20 years, while Germany has only about 250 (including all ICE3 and ICE4).
@@yinshengwang887 I dont understand your point. Because the chinese market itself is huge and China bought a lot of technology (not trains) from Europe, CRRC should be allowed to export to Europe?
@@KatzeMuffelLebt CRRC not higy care about if their train can be export to EU countires, especially west europe countires like French, German, Netherland etc.. The entire EU have much less high speed EMU markets compare to China itself. Also EU have their own high speed EMU standard, why fight against Alstom and Sirmens in their hometown?
@@yinshengwang887 I think its also a matter of prestige to be able to sell in the highly competitive european market with its very high standards, but I understand your point, thank you.
For anyone used to the scope of traditional railway projects, the statistics are often mind boggling. Construction of the 815-kilometer, $13.5 billion Zhengzhou East-Wangzhou line was completed in less than five years.
This video started off strong and ended in a bit of a haste lol. You forgot to mention the CRH6 which is a regional/commuter EMU based on the CRH2. Also @ 14:15 you didn't include "J", which is 集 in Chinese. 集 is short for 动力集中型动车组 (concentrated-power EMU), which means they have a power car instead of distributed-traction.
They had an excellent leader called Zhijun Liu, you can look him up, he brought the chinese railway from scratches to the peak. Unfortunately he was later arrested and the chinese HSR suffered 6 years of tragic with lowering speeds and halting construction. It is safe to say if not for Liu the chinese HSR would likely barely exist.
What China lack is commuter EMU/DMUs. Current commuter/suburban trains are most filled with overpriced CRH6 series (CRH is a high speed platform, not for low cost low speed commuter trains). Combined with CR (the national rail operator)'s extreme neglecting commuter railways. China's regular speed EMU/EMU is completely empty. I'm hoping for BSR to come up with some good 120~160kph low speed commuter trains. Also they will operate by Beijing instead.
Mostly subway/metro services runs commuter trains, using mostly subway/metro set to run longer distances, but they do have CRH-6 running at 160 kph for higher speed commuting.
Except there's an entire CJ series, CJ=Cheng Ji=InterCity. Especially the CJ5/CJ6, they are designed to run at 160km/h, and entirely for operating between those clusters of cities
@@lizhongshen Think of Paris to Moscow, which took 2 days for the RZD sleeper to travel for a distance of 2500+ km (suspended after Ukraine war, and rightfully so, though), or Paris to Istanbul, which the infamous Orient Express ran. Even within countrys like Sweden and Finland it can take hours to travel on conventional 200km/h trains, that sleeper is a better option. But I don't think tech is an issue for the Europeans - after all, CRH1E was built by BST, which then Bombardier (now part of Alstom) helped to design and operate. Or they can stick with the coaches they have in hand, which can run up to 200km/h. The major issues are the lack of interoperability and high speed links near the borders.
@@steinwaldmadchen most people will just pay €100 to fly 2 hours rather than pay €800 to sleep on a train for 10 hours. Also, train in EU cannot continuously run 200km/h for hours because of ancient rail tracks here and there.
China licensed foreign companies to build HSR trains, but when it came to the more advanced trains nobody want sell to the Chinese. So they ended up building their own trains and overtooke the Euros and Japanese. The rest is history.
False. China bought the technology. They literally buy everything else. Why? Cause they can. That's a good thing though. You still gotta give credit where credit is due though.
@@Official-OpenAIChina already had several new models of high speed trains before technology transfer...and China also have the largest RD teams on high speed railway...that's why you can stand coins on Chinese train
@@aasamspb967 you are obviously wrong... coins stand on Chinese trains for hours while in Japan they can only last for few seconds because Japanese trains are bot as smooth as Chinese trains
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But China is more like GAC than Tesla, which the former cooperated Honda to built cars for Honda. And of course GAC didn't cooperate for the sake of cooperate - they clearly eyed for the techs. Chinese gov'ts and companies did publicly said "吸收消化再創新" multiple times in public, literally "ingest, digest and reinnovate".
Thank you and much awaited video as CHR is something that amazes me. Wish if the video was more longer with videos and talks about Fuxing trains, their export models, interior designs etc. No offence but your talk on commercial partner BLINKIST was way too long and annoying in this 17.49 mins video.
3:06 correction: The key technology onboard DJJ1 "Blue Arrow" actually comes from Adtranz (later Bombadier). Its traction motors (4FHA 7056C) have a deep connection with Lok 2000 series. Its water-cooled IGBT-based inverters and MITRAC are the very same we had on Bombadier TRAXX series. I have actually watched an old video clip filming an accelerating "Blue Arrow". To my surprise, it sounds very similiar to a DBAG BR146.2. (And remember, the "Blue Arrow" was built almost 5 years before BR146.2）
the converter of the DJJ1 is actually quite different from the one in the 146.2 both are part of the same familly; ADtranz MPC (Modular Power Converter), but the one used on the DJJ1 is alsmost identical to the one used on the Talgo 350. the only difference being that it has less IPM modules (6 exactly).
7:11 The train (2007) was on the conventional railway line rather than the newly built HSR line (2011) Nicknames are used by chinese train nerds, in fact. The Railway company and normal passengers doesn't know these
Thanks for the vid. It's interesting how China started off by procuring rolling stock from foreign countries before eventually developing its own. Keep it up!!!🙂
You don't steal technology, you copy it. Nobody is deprived of any physical item and ideas are something we should be sharing, not attempting to own and control, or you are creating unneccesary obstacles to innovation. If I can copy your idea and undercut you, you'd be forced to provide a better experience, improve the technology further or build your reputation- this is competition, patents are anti-competitive as you get to milk one idea without having to do anything further.
maybe wait till u r the one who spent years and $$$$ to develop a cutting edge tech/idea/product, and then seeing ur neighbour to take ur idea with no fk given, and see what u will have to say 🤷🏽♂️
The Chinese paid for it. Why wouldn’t they try to learn and copy the technology. You sell them a train or airplane the Chinese needs to know how to operate and also maintenance.
No, China did not steal HST Technology. In the initial stage of China HS Train there were numerous accidents and for many years she improves it with modifications, improvision. and as such unable to steal other country technology especially from the US declining technology.
There's several trains missing! Especially the CRH-xxxG and CRH-xxxE train. E.g. CRH1E-NG, CRH2E, CRH2G, CRH5E, and CRH5G. They have different exterior than their predecessor, much like the CRH380CL and CRH380A.
G trains are trains designed to operate in extremely cold environments, up to -40 degrees Celsius. E trains are sleeper trains and often operate overnight.
Of course they copied them, they have wheels. Just like their rockets are copies of American ones, because they have the engines at the bottom and the pointy bit at the top. So obvious!
I mean, could you guys truly do some analysis about HSR planning in China. It would get a lot of Chinese angry for criticizing their beloved infrastructure, but it’s important to make us think about what can be done to improve this shit or Western countries could learn from our mistakes & anything China has done pretty well
Now things have reversed a bit. China exports wheel and bogie sets for speed up to 350 kph, to Germany, maybe other countries. It takes a special wheel to travel that fast. Another tidbit of news; China uses electric, plus diesel-electric to go to Tibet .Some elevation is too much for straight electric. Good reporting, thanks.
Chinese trains are so beautiful... even those built by foreign firms! :D Will you guys also talk about Taiwan's HSR? It's pretty interesting imo, you could make a video about it :3 Although I wonder why Alstom decided to bring the Pendolino instead of another model of the TGV such as the Duplex, and also wonder why Kawasaki chose the E2 when they could have brought the Shinkansen 700 or 500, but well, Fuxing Hao already surpasses all those..
@@Pozafria They used the Velaro platform in an earlier state than the one they are using to sell nowadays, some components (e.g. Doors) were 1-2 Generations behind the most modern ones. Also, SMO simply doesnt have another High Speed platform to offer, so if they wanted to sell something, they had to sell the Velaro, as Bombardier did later with selling the Zefiro. In the end, both companies agreed to the technology transfer and knew that the chinese would create their own product out of it, so it was all a fair deal I guess
China bought CRH2A at late 2004. Both Shinkansen 700 series and E2-0 series started to produce at 1997. Chinese CRH2A based on newer E2-1000 series stared produce at 2001. E2-1000 is somehow have tech advantage compare to original 700 series like their IGBT module is newer. Also CR require 250kph level EMU at that time, so both E2-1000（275kph) and 700(285kph) fullfill the speed require. Also at that time JRCentral sold 700T to Taiwan...while JREast have a more better relationship with mainland China. E2 have better cold weather experience than 700. E5 is much much later story, first E5 start operated in JRE at 2011, at that time China already have modified 350kph level CRH2C (based on CRH2A, design max speed at 350kph but running at speed may cause problems so normally they run at 310kph-330kph max) running over 4 years and the totally redesigned CRH380A which can running at 350kph with no problem&still the most comfortable highspeed EMU nowaday even compare to CR400AF/BF&hit max speed record 486kph with no modified started to operate at late 2010 (earlier than E5). No need to buy E5 at that time
@@Pozafria To clarify, Alstom, Kawasaki and Bombardier won the bid of 200km/h and 250km/h trains. And thus they choose to use the older generation which can achieve these speed. But Siemens get the bid for 300km/h trains. Velaro was the only solution that can reach such requirement. For Bombardier, they have a joint venture with Sifang in China before the HSR bid. They have a closer tie to the Chinese manufacturers and are more willing to share the cutting edge technologies. Part of the Zefiro platform are actually designed in China.
"Her-Sae~" (I mixed a bit of korean "tone" to make it closer to how you'd say it) official hanyu pinyin is " Hé xié " " X " often is pronounced as a " S " sound
AT THE START, CHINA IMPORTED HIGH SPEED RAIL TECHNOLOGY FROM JAPAN. AFTER THAT CHINA IMPROVED UPON THE ORIGINAL DESIGN N EXCEEDED THE JAPANESE SPEED OF ABOUT 200 KMS/HR. TO 350 KMS/HR. CHINA DID NOT STEAL ANY HIGH SPEED RAIL TECHNOLOGY.
Did you watch the video ? it was ALL imported.. wheels, motors, card, engine. that is years of research and development. it clearly stated licensed imported tech - So China did not invent anything, it does look fishy that once they got the train from Japan they terminated the contract
finally some white English speaker who realizes the "h" in the digraph "zh" serves the same function as that in "sh" and do not pronounce "zh" as "z"! I'm...impressed and touched, somewhat.
the short answer is NO. China bought all the rights and blueprints from Siemens of Germany for its first generation of HSR. maybe a thing or two from Japan. Siemens is also partner in Silk Road Fund.
you did, and then you paved it over literally... your government literally demolished the business case for rail for the Interstate. and now the only few true profitable line is in the Acela corridor.
@@PrograError yeah it sucks… and apparently, the Acela is not even faster than driving in most cases unless you live in the very city center, and even NYC to Philadelphia costs at least $100! It is very sad what happened to rail in our country :(
6:20 Actually Hé Xié 和谐 is pronounced as "her hsieh". Yeah that's how Mandarin's Hàn yǔ Pīn yīn 汉语/漢語拼音 phonetic system works 12:46 Fù Xīng 复兴/興 can also mean 'renaissance'
Your country's official global map is 1. You are using 2. Your country expects you to use 2. And you get it too. This tacit understanding is very funny.
Corrections: 1) Hexie is pronounced He Xie. 2) You missed the CRH6, meant for short intercity railways like Beijing to Tianjin. 3) Instead of AF or BF, there is also a J. This means that the train has two motor cars at the front and at the end, without any intermediate motor cars. This is as of now only used in the case of CR200J. 4) Back when the China Standard EMU was introduced, it used a slightly different configuration and design. The CR400BF had a single, not double, gold stripe going up, not down, and the nose was less streamlined. The CR400AF was identical in terms of exterior design but had a blue stripe going up instead of the red stripe going down in the production Fuxing trains. That was how it got the nickname Blue Dolphin, but as now even the two trains with the Blue Dolphin livery were repainted into the new red stripe, it is no longer relevant. Instead, nicknames such as Red Dragon are now used. 5) The picture at 15:01 is wrong. It is a normal CR400AF, not the CR400AF-C. The CR400AF-C looks completely different. In addition, not all CR400BF-C have the winter olympics livery. Only CR400BF-C-5162 has it. The others are 5141, 5144 and 5145 6) You also missed the -Z series, which has the Intelligent features of -C but not ATO. Letters can also be combined with the Z, to form -AZ, -BZ, and -GZ. You probably already know this if you know about the rolling stocks already, but without the Z, A would indicate a 16 car config and B would indicate a 17 car config. -G would indicate versions tolerating extremely cold environments. I.E., -BZ would indicate a 17 car config with the Intelligent features.
13:50 I've only seen this nose a few times. Was it only used on that one test train? While autonomous rail vehicles aren't new (people movers at airports, etc.) I do love their autonomous high speed Fuxing Hao.
Aus heutiger Sicht, hätte ich bei solchen Ausschreibungen gar nicht teilgenommen, gerade wegen des Technologietransfers. Da hätte ich mich quer gestellt, als Hersteller, dann gibt es halt den Auftrag nicht. // From today's perspective, I would not have participated in such tenders, precisely because of the technology transfer. I would have opposed that, as a manufacturer, then there simply isn't the order.
Great summary. China has improved existing rolling stock technology and innovated in HSR and Metro construction to build modern world class systems. I invite people to actually ride Chinese, Japanese and European rail systems and make objective comparisons. overly, Chinese is the most modern, efficient, comfortable and economical. In fact, if you compare economy class of all (where classes exist) Chinese are the most modern. If people want to whine about "stealing" technology, we can say the world stole the technology of coal fired British rail - from there, many countries have evolved and improved the technology.
😂 it's not whining It's fact. Easy to build new trains at lower cost by not investing in the early stage development, avoiding ongoing licence payments whilst enjoying on your "self developed" trains the Japanese developments in overcoming wheel balancing issues, nose design overcoming tunnel boom, braking systems and more. The thing that most annoys the foreign partners is their role wasn't honestly acknowledged to the local people in China (most of whom believe it's self developed) and also China shamelessly presents HSR on CCTV as being a modern "4 great inventions" of China.
The technologies to make the IGBT, the wheels that can run at the speed of 300kmh and above, the motor, all type of sensors, the signaling system, and operating system the whole train system. etc. is not for sell to China, China can't buy any these technology to make of those components and parts from Germany, Japan or French. China buy the finish products of components and parts, a so called technologies transfer packages from corresponding train manufacturing company, which they train the buyer to put those parts together to make a final finish product, a train. When you hear the term "technology transfer" it means the technology of Assembling.
China has exploited foreign technology for civilian & military use from both Europe & Russia. The method is to request for open bids for very large number of units in the beginning “350 railway rolling stock, 200 fighter jets” etc. But once the initial couple of dozen units & critical technology is transferred, the “contracts” are either renegotiated or outright cancelled. China would then soon after introduce “their own” version of the same products without even bothering to change even the external appearances. Germany also “collaborated” for some time with China on the Maglev technology which currently runs in Shanghai. Russian Sukhoi fighter jets & Chinese counterparts looks almost identical. But it is a clever strategy to jump start from a poor developing country to a country almost at par with the top technologically advanced countries in the world.
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They skipped CRH4 because 4 is an unlucky number in China.
4 in Chinese sounds similar to death
Interestingly we have multiple explanations for that😂 One saying is that 4 was originally set aside for the AGV of Alstom, but eventually this didn’t happen
China's high-speed rail development strategy is a typical microcosm of many industries in China. It attracts foreign advanced manufacturers through huge order amounts, makes foreign contractors compete with each other through superb negotiation skills and irresistible amounts, and forces technology transfer (of course, you can refuse the technology transfer, nothing more than losing the bidding, but this will make you lose huge orders, and then fall behind in the next round of technological evolution)
Then China unites the large-scale state-owned enterprises controlled by him to absorb as many technologies as possible, integrates new technical standards, and then promotes them in the huge domestic market, because the huge scale far exceeds the foreign markets and is widely used. China can quickly iterate on technology, and it won't take long for China to defeat all the previous advanced foreign suppliers and win industry hegemony.
But such a strategy is not easy to replicate. You need a huge market, strong state institutions, a large and fully controlled state-owned enterprise group, a large number of hard-working science and engineering talents and workers. It is very difficult to absorb a large amount of technology and fast engineering construction in a short period of time. Speed is everything. If you slow down, technology you learned before may have fallen behind. You must know that the previous supplier will not provide you with the most advanced technology. If it is too Slow, by the time you fully apply it, it may have become a technology that needs to be eliminated.
Maybe India fits the bill?
you're right. market for technology. Indonesia did the same, China will transfer certain technology to Indonesia for the HSR contract. but whether they can obsorb or not is their problem.
@@土豆撒 I only can tell you , Indonesia learns step by step like a baby learning to walk before running. First we absorb the fast civil construction method. Lots of our own infrastructure construction method is learnt from China. Later we build the train sets , most likely using Chinese made parts that for sure. That is why in our HSR development instead of doing a stand alone execution , we form a JVC with CRRI ( subsidiary of CRH ) , called PT. KCIC , which will be the backbone of other HSR projects in Indonesia. The main civil contractor , Sinohidro , was already in Indonesia since 2007 and got lots of new infra with our own SOE , especially the BRI and GMF ( Global Maritime Fulcrum) , initiated in 2015 between China and Indonesia. What worries the US and Japan now is that China is no 1 investor in Indonesia this year and will grow more higher. President Jokowi and his political party has a long history established from 1955 between Pres Sukarno and Chairman Mao. Our GDP PPP is increased fast because we took the lead from China ( not US) . ✌️🌎🇮🇩🤝🇨🇳🙏
@@steveman888 You know US actually made and still make very efficient diesel locos? For HSRs things can be very different between Japan and Europe, or even between two European countries. That's why Chinese imported trains from all over the world.
Limit yourself to just Chinese POV is dumb, and at the same time burn bridges with Japan would only do more harm than good.
@@steinwaldmadchen Business with China is way too lucrative.
So, the way you explain it, the chinese doing sounds a bit like what the fictious borg would do...
This is a typical way to master a foreign tech: introduce it from foreign-imitate it- enhance it and let it become a thing of yourself gradually, some other examples includes CN aircraft carrier and internet
It’s unfortunate people are usually bias when it comes to tech from China. Even though their design philosophy is realistic and makes a lot of sense.
@@justsomedude6666 well, because their government loves to boast about stuffs like that which does obviously attracts haters and politics so......
There is also the automobile industry, but unfortunately it is not very successful. Now I choose new energy.
No one would laugh at DJI
Technology wasn’t imitated in this case. It was paid for and transferred. But now China has improved on that and leads the world. It’s a case of the student now better than the teacher.
Holy cow, an English YT video about China that isn't just "CHINA BAD" repeated ad nauseum. I didn't know such unbiased videos were still legal in the English language.
Don’t set the bar too low. The tittle itself is a bit of “China IS bad” clickbait for those with these convictions
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@@soumyajitsingha9614你母亲是机器人吗？可笑的印度人😅
@@soumyajitsingha9614Indonesia High speed train 😂 🚆 India only dream of
@@boiscooka232🤡😂 u comparing apples and oranges ? U know its not 143 km route its 508 km route with fully elevated tracks not on ground like Indonesia mostly track ! (Exception is only 25 km long under sea tunnle) u comparing totally different things 😂
It seems that the Ministry of Railways of China has basically obtained the technologies of the four high-speed railway manufacturing groups that bid through a very strict bidding contract and a very attractive market. But now it seems that, in addition to earning profits from the number of trains required in the contract and a batch of parts that Chinese railway manufacturers could not produce by themselves at that time, they have cultivated a new competitor by themselves.
Ignorant idiot, you are talking crap.
The global high-speed rail market is very small. Because high-speed rail construction is very expensive, not many countries can afford it. The countries in which these companies are based also do not offer large enough markets. Holding a lot of technology and waiting to die or selling technology at a high price may create a competitor. What would you choose? Normal people would choose the latter. After all, they are not the only companies with technology.Of course they don't sell the latest technology. This way they can still stay ahead (at least that's what they think, but unfortunately China is a monster)
没有一个国家能像中国有这么大的订单，他们已经挣了很多钱了
You can't hide knowledge. Either make money along the way or never shown the light.
Super amazing video. Now I know why early gen Chinese HSR looked a lot like ICE, E2, Pendo etc
I like taking those Fuxing trains way more than other types, even faster, smarter, way more comfortable, and with a lot of high techs. China made huge progress in trains definitely.
7:22 correction: the Guangzhou-Shenzhen Railway is not the route shown in the video. It is the mainland part of the Kowloon-Canton Railway, which was modernized into a 4-track line with a top operating speed of 200km/h. The Guangzhou-Shenzhen high speed railway was built in 2005. It began its services in 2011, with a top speed of 350km/h.
The CR400AF-Z has the best exterior design IMO especially the headlight placement. Whereas the standard CR400AF and CR400BF has a somewhat weird headlight design and placement, the CR400AF-Z's design is just right. But of course, be sure to share to us your favourite high speed train as we all have our personal favourites
By the way CR400BF-Z is my favorite high speed train from China
it gotta be the Velaro for me
I personally think that the ICE 3/early Velaro series literally have the perfect design for a high speed train and really it’s impossible to get any better than that
@@entized5671 you mean crh3c/crh380b ?
@@盧廷瑋 precisely
For my favourite rolling stock of CRH/CR is CRH380D, but hard to disagree the coolest one is the CR400AF-Z
16:08 correction: the top speed of the Mercitalia Rail Fast ETR500 in service was limited to 250 km / h, not 180. The service was unluckily created just before the pandemic, so it quickly became economically inconventient. The service was stopped in late 2022, with the locos planned to be sent back to the mother company Trenitalia (passenger service) and the cars put in a garage for now.
I mean, freight saw a boom during covid, so I think high speed train freight had all its chances... thought there might have been other factors. But I don't know whether it's fair to blame everything on the covid, if it's not a viable market, then that's it.
Not satisfied with pushing the boundaries of speed, endurance and civil engineering, Chinese companies are among the first in the world to introduce new technology such as autonomous (driverless) train operation and advanced signaling and control technology.
The driverless “bullet trains” connecting Beijing and Zhangjiakou in northern Hebei province are capable of hitting speeds up to 350 kph, making them the world’s fastest autonomous trains.
Wait a minute ... if China put out the bid, and paid the bidders won the contract to transfer technology, and later developed next generation of the said technology on their own, then where's the bit about "Stole its High-Speed Trains Technology"? And if they didn't steal it, why'd you put it in the title?.... It's a rhetorical question, but you know, in most places in the world, it's an insult if you accused someone for stealing, to say nothing of it being a false accusation.... wait, are you American?
It's probably a bit of clickbait, but the emphasis on the "actually" in the title implies it's addressing a commonly-held belief, rather than being an accusation. The video does a good job of answering the question in the title, but at the same time doesn't address the question directly at all
I perceive the title more like "Are you sure that China stole their HSR technology?"
The fact the china demands a technology transfer in its bid for the trains its like asking Apple to hand them proprietary technology just because you bought a thousand units or ask the recipe for a dish just because you ordered a dozen. Its cunning but stupid on the sellers part and kind of stealing on the chinese part. Like who would bought into that.
@@marczapatos2229based on my understanding. its the standard operation to get green light to buy the technology. buy the products at some quantity, then youll be allowed to buy the tech. and it separate transaction for transfering.
technology used in China, this guy: China stole it
while the west has been using compasses invented in China for centuries
Some insider-ish insight: my father used to work for Alstom, though he worked on other infrastructure projects like subways and not HSR. Basically, many of these companies didn't take China seriously. My dad would tell me that he had a harder time trying to get through to the head honchos in Paris than through China's notorious bureaucracy (and the bureaucracy was really bad, basically ping-pong sessions between departments that were afraid to take responsibility). The Alstom heads were well-paid executives in their cozy European offices, who sort of viewed China as some unimportant backyard.
Sure, this is Unthinkable now, but basically try to imagine you're an HSR executive Now and you're in charge of the India or (random examples) Nigeria or Mexican markets. Surely you're also thinking "meh." China took advantage of that attitude.
I mean, in the east, now china and japan compete in south and southeast asia to build region's high speed rail lines. No one would consider lightly how important developing market now. Japan won India and Vietnam (which was later changed to China), with China won the bid in Indonesia and Thailand. None of us in SEA would consider Alstom or Siemens-made HST now.
@@kanojune5754Japan give India back then India in 2000s technology of metro systems
Now India have build 11 new Metro system all over India in last 10 years some of them broken record's which are finished construction in fastest Pace ! For example kanpur city metro which took 2 and half year ! And later Nagpur city metro neo which took only 1year 7 months to Complete !
At the we all are humans ! If got right teaching's can easily aquire any skill
I hope they export more high-speed rail to Southeast Asia, car centric urban planning is way too prevalent here
USA: first time?
well blame colonial legacy railways and non investment in those due to wanting to follow the western "model" hence the car centric urban planning around SE Asia. ( only Singapore is a better city on transit oriented urban planning but it's still deeply car centric)
tho every large metropolitan cities are planning to expand it's transit better
Legacy hand-dug at-grade rail lines aren't conducive to HSR (it's fine for freight though which themselves are still needed). It wasn't until the 1960s when Japan's Shinkansen figured out how much tunneling and bridging is required to make one happen. Sadly the urban sprawl that has happened since means it just gets exponentially more expensive to buy out the right of way required.
@@doujinflip Speeding up existing lines isn't a real option for narrow gauge railways when stability is worse than standard gauge. In fact even in modern times, only a handful can run at 160km/h - then Hokuhoku Line in Japan, North Coast Line in Queensland Australia which is also powered by Japanese trains, and West Coast Line in Malaysia.
In contrast existing standard gauge lines can sustain 200km/h~250km/h with some enhancements and maybe a tilting train, depending on track conditions. In fact that has been done in multiple European countries, China or even US, which is quite behind in HSR technologies.
@@steinwaldmadchen ohh well they can build new lines
Thank you for your unbiased, objective video. Yes, the Hexie series was created under several foreign technology transfers, and most of its patents were only valid inside China, hence it couldn't be exported abroad. Then came the Fuxing series, which was developed completely with more advanced domestic technologies, and could be exported via the OBOR initiative without any problems.
That doesn't make it any less problematic, though, does it?
Sure, western companies provided the technology and know-how voluntarily, but China's business practices really wouldn't fly in much of the rest of the world. I'm not a protectionist by any means, but I sort of get why many European countries are so reluctant to procure Chinese trains after what happened with Siemens, Alstom or Kawasaki.
@@jurajkovac8507China itself has more than 75% of the world's high-speed EMU market, which is why the so-called trade protectionism is so ridiculous. China has purchased the equivalent of 4,000 standard trainsets（every 8 cars equal to a standard trainset, 16 cars train equal to two standard trainsets） of high-speed EMUs in the past 20 years, while Germany has only about 250 (including all ICE3 and ICE4).
@@yinshengwang887 I dont understand your point. Because the chinese market itself is huge and China bought a lot of technology (not trains) from Europe, CRRC should be allowed to export to Europe?
@@KatzeMuffelLebt CRRC not higy care about if their train can be export to EU countires, especially west europe countires like French, German, Netherland etc.. The entire EU have much less high speed EMU markets compare to China itself. Also EU have their own high speed EMU standard, why fight against Alstom and Sirmens in their hometown?
@@yinshengwang887 I think its also a matter of prestige to be able to sell in the highly competitive european market with its very high standards, but I understand your point, thank you.
For anyone used to the scope of traditional railway projects, the statistics are often mind boggling.
Construction of the 815-kilometer, $13.5 billion Zhengzhou East-Wangzhou line was completed in less than five years.
it is Wanzhou
This video started off strong and ended in a bit of a haste lol. You forgot to mention the CRH6 which is a regional/commuter EMU based on the CRH2. Also @ 14:15 you didn't include "J", which is 集 in Chinese. 集 is short for 动力集中型动车组 (concentrated-power EMU), which means they have a power car instead of distributed-traction.
So if China was able to do technology transfer like this, why aren't other countries like India not able to do the same?
I think India gets stuck in bureaucracy and corporations
They had an excellent leader called Zhijun Liu, you can look him up, he brought the chinese railway from scratches to the peak. Unfortunately he was later arrested and the chinese HSR suffered 6 years of tragic with lowering speeds and halting construction. It is safe to say if not for Liu the chinese HSR would likely barely exist.
India is adopting shinkansen technology. E5 series will be delivered to run on new HSR lines.
India?😂😂😂😂😂
Japan built 9.6km in 5 years HSR tracks.
@@coolsoenie sounds more like a corruption in government office
The first Fuxing EMUs were developed by CRRC Changchun and CRRC Sifang. They made different models.
What China lack is commuter EMU/DMUs. Current commuter/suburban trains are most filled with overpriced CRH6 series (CRH is a high speed platform, not for low cost low speed commuter trains). Combined with CR (the national rail operator)'s extreme neglecting commuter railways. China's regular speed EMU/EMU is completely empty.
I'm hoping for BSR to come up with some good 120~160kph low speed commuter trains. Also they will operate by Beijing instead.
I think regular speed EMUs are produced under the "metro" term.
Mostly subway/metro services runs commuter trains, using mostly subway/metro set to run longer distances, but they do have CRH-6 running at 160 kph for higher speed commuting.
Except there's an entire CJ series, CJ=Cheng Ji=InterCity. Especially the CJ5/CJ6, they are designed to run at 160km/h, and entirely for operating between those clusters of cities
CR200. It is the vehicle used by the railway that helped build Laos. Maximum speed 200kph. Operating speed 160kph
Don't see any problems with CRH6.
Excellent video! slight problem with the footage of the CRH2A which showed CRH2C instead
chinese hsr system has a one fine thing: high speed sleeper train D311- need this in europe
why do you need sleeper train in europe?
@@lizhongshen Think of Paris to Moscow, which took 2 days for the RZD sleeper to travel for a distance of 2500+ km (suspended after Ukraine war, and rightfully so, though), or Paris to Istanbul, which the infamous Orient Express ran.
Even within countrys like Sweden and Finland it can take hours to travel on conventional 200km/h trains, that sleeper is a better option.
But I don't think tech is an issue for the Europeans - after all, CRH1E was built by BST, which then Bombardier (now part of Alstom) helped to design and operate. Or they can stick with the coaches they have in hand, which can run up to 200km/h. The major issues are the lack of interoperability and high speed links near the borders.
@@steinwaldmadchen most people will just pay €100 to fly 2 hours rather than pay €800 to sleep on a train for 10 hours. Also, train in EU cannot continuously run 200km/h for hours because of ancient rail tracks here and there.
China licensed foreign companies to build HSR trains, but when it came to the more advanced trains nobody want sell to the Chinese. So they ended up building their own trains and overtooke the Euros and Japanese. The rest is history.
False. China bought the technology. They literally buy everything else. Why? Cause they can. That's a good thing though. You still gotta give credit where credit is due though.
@@Official-OpenAIChina already had several new models of high speed trains before technology transfer...and China also have the largest RD teams on high speed railway...that's why you can stand coins on Chinese train
@@DescendantofYellowEmperor you can do that in japanese trains as well. Chinese HSR is amazing but not better than Shinkansen.
@@aasamspb967 you are obviously wrong... coins stand on Chinese trains for hours while in Japan they can only last for few seconds because Japanese trains are bot as smooth as Chinese trains
@@DescendantofYellowEmperor ha ha. Good joke. Japanese trains are much smoother and much better than the Chinese ones.
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you sound like a bot
Did you know tesla copied honda?
Yes honda and tesla's cars have doors, tires, steering wheel, and sound system
i actully agree
But China is more like GAC than Tesla, which the former cooperated Honda to built cars for Honda.
And of course GAC didn't cooperate for the sake of cooperate - they clearly eyed for the techs.
Chinese gov'ts and companies did publicly said "吸收消化再創新" multiple times in public, literally "ingest, digest and reinnovate".
Thank you and much awaited video as CHR is something that amazes me.
Wish if the video was more longer with videos and talks about Fuxing trains, their export models, interior designs etc.
No offence but your talk on commercial partner BLINKIST was way too long and annoying in this 17.49 mins video.
3:06 correction: The key technology onboard DJJ1 "Blue Arrow" actually comes from Adtranz (later Bombadier). Its traction motors (4FHA 7056C) have a deep connection with Lok 2000 series. Its water-cooled IGBT-based inverters and MITRAC are the very same we had on Bombadier TRAXX series.
I have actually watched an old video clip filming an accelerating "Blue Arrow". To my surprise, it sounds very similiar to a DBAG BR146.2. (And remember, the "Blue Arrow" was built almost 5 years before BR146.2）
the converter of the DJJ1 is actually quite different from the one in the 146.2
both are part of the same familly; ADtranz MPC (Modular Power Converter), but the one used on the DJJ1 is alsmost identical to the one used on the Talgo 350. the only difference being that it has less IPM modules (6 exactly).
In the future the high speed-railway for China will be expanded up to 70,000 km by 2035
A more accurate translation of the word Fuxing is Renaissance.
I thought Fux meant fox and ING meant star
7:11 The train (2007) was on the conventional railway line rather than the newly built HSR line (2011)
Nicknames are used by chinese train nerds, in fact. The Railway company and normal passengers doesn't know these
Thanks for the vid. It's interesting how China started off by procuring rolling stock from foreign countries before eventually developing its own. Keep it up!!!🙂
You don't steal technology, you copy it. Nobody is deprived of any physical item and ideas are something we should be sharing, not attempting to own and control, or you are creating unneccesary obstacles to innovation. If I can copy your idea and undercut you, you'd be forced to provide a better experience, improve the technology further or build your reputation- this is competition, patents are anti-competitive as you get to milk one idea without having to do anything further.
How you know they don't have R&D.
thats just until the centuries-old copyright system creates a thick wall from those stuffs
maybe wait till u r the one who spent years and $$$$ to develop a cutting edge tech/idea/product, and then seeing ur neighbour to take ur idea with no fk given, and see what u will have to say 🤷🏽♂️
@@naniyo0 Grow some ball and stop crying.
The Chinese paid for it. Why wouldn’t they try to learn and copy the technology. You sell them a train or airplane the Chinese needs to know how to operate and also maintenance.
I've been waiting for a video like this. Thank you.
minor mistake: at 4:06 that building is not state council but central bank.
No, China did not steal HST Technology. In the initial stage of China HS Train there were numerous accidents and for many years she improves it with modifications, improvision. and as such unable to steal other country technology especially from the US declining technology.
There's several trains missing! Especially the CRH-xxxG and CRH-xxxE train. E.g. CRH1E-NG, CRH2E, CRH2G, CRH5E, and CRH5G. They have different exterior than their predecessor, much like the CRH380CL and CRH380A.
G trains are trains designed to operate in extremely cold environments, up to -40 degrees Celsius.
E trains are sleeper trains and often operate overnight.
Whatever accusation you put on China nothing you can do
At the end you're jealous.
I'm not Chinese either
Of course they copied them, they have wheels. Just like their rockets are copies of American ones, because they have the engines at the bottom and the pointy bit at the top. So obvious!
rockets are invention of china, all rockets today are copied from ancient china
The American stole rocket tech and turbo jet from Germany after WW2.
I mean, could you guys truly do some analysis about HSR planning in China. It would get a lot of Chinese angry for criticizing their beloved infrastructure, but it’s important to make us think about what can be done to improve this shit or Western countries could learn from our mistakes & anything China has done pretty well
Now things have reversed a bit. China exports wheel and bogie sets for speed up to 350 kph, to Germany, maybe other countries. It takes a special wheel to travel that fast. Another tidbit of news; China uses electric, plus diesel-electric to go to Tibet .Some elevation is too much for straight electric. Good reporting, thanks.
Chinese trains are so beautiful... even those built by foreign firms! :D
Will you guys also talk about Taiwan's HSR? It's pretty interesting imo, you could make a video about it :3
Although I wonder why Alstom decided to bring the Pendolino instead of another model of the TGV such as the Duplex, and also wonder why Kawasaki chose the E2 when they could have brought the Shinkansen 700 or 500, but well, Fuxing Hao already surpasses all those..
Its because it was a technology transfer so the companies didnt want to bring their flagships
@@KatzeMuffelLebt that makes sense I guess, but then why did Siemens gave the Velaro aka CRH3? Guess they didn't really had too much problem..
@@Pozafria They used the Velaro platform in an earlier state than the one they are using to sell nowadays, some components (e.g. Doors) were 1-2 Generations behind the most modern ones. Also, SMO simply doesnt have another High Speed platform to offer, so if they wanted to sell something, they had to sell the Velaro, as Bombardier did later with selling the Zefiro. In the end, both companies agreed to the technology transfer and knew that the chinese would create their own product out of it, so it was all a fair deal I guess
China bought CRH2A at late 2004. Both Shinkansen 700 series and E2-0 series started to produce at 1997. Chinese CRH2A based on newer E2-1000 series stared produce at 2001. E2-1000 is somehow have tech advantage compare to original 700 series like their IGBT module is newer.
Also CR require 250kph level EMU at that time, so both E2-1000（275kph) and 700(285kph) fullfill the speed require.
Also at that time JRCentral sold 700T to Taiwan...while JREast have a more better relationship with mainland China.
E2 have better cold weather experience than 700.
E5 is much much later story, first E5 start operated in JRE at 2011, at that time China already have modified 350kph level CRH2C (based on CRH2A, design max speed at 350kph but running at speed may cause problems so normally they run at 310kph-330kph max) running over 4 years and the totally redesigned CRH380A which can running at 350kph with no problem&still the most comfortable highspeed EMU nowaday even compare to CR400AF/BF&hit max speed record 486kph with no modified started to operate at late 2010 (earlier than E5). No need to buy E5 at that time
@@Pozafria To clarify, Alstom, Kawasaki and Bombardier won the bid of 200km/h and 250km/h trains. And thus they choose to use the older generation which can achieve these speed.
But Siemens get the bid for 300km/h trains. Velaro was the only solution that can reach such requirement.
For Bombardier, they have a joint venture with Sifang in China before the HSR bid. They have a closer tie to the Chinese manufacturers and are more willing to share the cutting edge technologies. Part of the Zefiro platform are actually designed in China.
Hay USA wanna try tech transfer? It can revive manufacturing
The idea is good germy will probaly do it
it is a bit confusing but supposedly Hexie is pronunced as Huuh-shie
"Her-Sae~" (I mixed a bit of korean "tone" to make it closer to how you'd say it) official hanyu pinyin is " Hé xié "
" X " often is pronounced as a " S " sound
it is pronunced as 和谐
AT THE START, CHINA IMPORTED HIGH SPEED RAIL TECHNOLOGY FROM JAPAN. AFTER THAT CHINA IMPROVED UPON THE ORIGINAL DESIGN N EXCEEDED THE JAPANESE SPEED OF ABOUT 200 KMS/HR. TO 350 KMS/HR. CHINA DID NOT STEAL ANY HIGH SPEED RAIL TECHNOLOGY.
Did you watch the video ? it was ALL imported.. wheels, motors, card, engine. that is years of research and development. it clearly stated licensed imported tech - So China did not invent anything, it does look fishy that once they got the train from Japan they terminated the contract
@@elysiumcore Correct
Another nonsense.. some says China stole the American space station..@@elysiumcore
finally some white English speaker who realizes the "h" in the digraph "zh" serves the same function as that in "sh" and do not pronounce "zh" as "z"!
I'm...impressed and touched, somewhat.
But he pronounces Hexie as Heksie...
@@oldherl yeah, "huck-syeh" or "heck-syeh" is kinda f**ked up, but still better than "huh-zyeh" or "heh-zyeh".
that was bad indeed... not gonna happen again!
the short answer is NO. China bought all the rights and blueprints from Siemens of Germany for its first generation of HSR. maybe a thing or two from Japan.
Siemens is also partner in Silk Road Fund.
Siemens also sent two technicians to assist in building China's first HSR.
"maybe a thing or two from Japan"
lol. Probably the weakest thing to say trying to prove a point.
Technology transfer is not stealing
It kind of is if you claim that those countries stole from you.
I'm pretty sure that Bombardier train model is named after and pronounced like the town in Saskatchewan.
Nice detailed video! Saw a clip of CRH2C of my video, glad it’s been seen by more people 😂
" Technology transferred " , this 2 words answered your question in the title !! 😅😆😆
Ive been in china for two weeks and ive loved every second of my HSR journeys. Thank you for covering this awesome infrastructure system
Why cant we have this in america? :(
you did, and then you paved it over literally...
your government literally demolished the business case for rail for the Interstate. and now the only few true profitable line is in the Acela corridor.
@@PrograError yeah it sucks… and apparently, the Acela is not even faster than driving in most cases unless you live in the very city center, and even NYC to Philadelphia costs at least $100! It is very sad what happened to rail in our country :(
6:20 Actually Hé Xié 和谐 is pronounced as "her hsieh". Yeah that's how Mandarin's Hàn yǔ Pīn yīn 汉语/漢語拼音 phonetic system works
12:46 Fù Xīng 复兴/興 can also mean 'renaissance'
Transfer of technology is different than stealing.
As a Chinese Japanese mix I love both CRH and Shinkansen
Your country's official global map is 1.
You are using 2.
Your country expects you to use 2.
And you get it too.
This tacit understanding is very funny.
Corrections:
1) Hexie is pronounced He Xie.
2) You missed the CRH6, meant for short intercity railways like Beijing to Tianjin.
3) Instead of AF or BF, there is also a J. This means that the train has two motor cars at the front and at the end, without any intermediate motor cars. This is as of now only used in the case of CR200J.
4) Back when the China Standard EMU was introduced, it used a slightly different configuration and design. The CR400BF had a single, not double, gold stripe going up, not down, and the nose was less streamlined. The CR400AF was identical in terms of exterior design but had a blue stripe going up instead of the red stripe going down in the production Fuxing trains. That was how it got the nickname Blue Dolphin, but as now even the two trains with the Blue Dolphin livery were repainted into the new red stripe, it is no longer relevant. Instead, nicknames such as Red Dragon are now used.
5) The picture at 15:01 is wrong. It is a normal CR400AF, not the CR400AF-C. The CR400AF-C looks completely different. In addition, not all CR400BF-C have the winter olympics livery. Only CR400BF-C-5162 has it. The others are 5141, 5144 and 5145
6) You also missed the -Z series, which has the Intelligent features of -C but not ATO. Letters can also be combined with the Z, to form -AZ, -BZ, and -GZ. You probably already know this if you know about the rolling stocks already, but without the Z, A would indicate a 16 car config and B would indicate a 17 car config. -G would indicate versions tolerating extremely cold environments.
I.E., -BZ would indicate a 17 car config with the Intelligent features.
Could you do a video on the railroads in the U.K since they were the ones who invented trains and steam locomotives.
How British is railroads
@@TrainsForNSWVlogs I’m American
Such a big ad from the start of the video ...well done buddy.
Another awesome and unbiased presentation. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
You forgot to mention that the CRH5s are nicknamed "donkey"
13:50 I've only seen this nose a few times. Was it only used on that one test train? While autonomous rail vehicles aren't new (people movers at airports, etc.) I do love their autonomous high speed Fuxing Hao.
That was indeed a test train. That nose was used on the test train only.
Been waiting for this
You've confused your tenses in the title there
We are living in the land of thieves and robbers. So it doesn't matter who steals from who, actually.
What why did they go through the "effort" to make a h2o train when they could just electrify more track?
It was not that long ago Tangshan was building steam locomotives. Amazing. Seeing this the Russians will have no problem finding parts for Sapsan.
Ummm, yeah. It's what they do, like forever. You gotta admit, the watches are a work of art (if you don't sweat on them).
Great video, keep posting.
Thanks!
In answer to your question, no.
Actually there are some YES too
Aus heutiger Sicht, hätte ich bei solchen Ausschreibungen gar nicht teilgenommen, gerade wegen des Technologietransfers. Da hätte ich mich quer gestellt, als Hersteller, dann gibt es halt den Auftrag nicht. // From today's perspective, I would not have participated in such tenders, precisely because of the technology transfer. I would have opposed that, as a manufacturer, then there simply isn't the order.
Thank you! This is a well-researched video and I learend a lot.
I feel the crh380 and 400 trains have the blood of the German ice trains flowing through them
The pronunciation of hexie should sound a lot more like 'her she yeah' than 'hexy'.
A very detailed and accurate history
Btw 'He Xie Hao' is pronounced 'He Sie Hao'
OUTSTANDING EXPLAINATION !
Great summary. China has improved existing rolling stock technology and innovated in HSR and Metro construction to build modern world class systems. I invite people to actually ride Chinese, Japanese and European rail systems and make objective comparisons. overly, Chinese is the most modern, efficient, comfortable and economical. In fact, if you compare economy class of all (where classes exist) Chinese are the most modern. If people want to whine about "stealing" technology, we can say the world stole the technology of coal fired British rail - from there, many countries have evolved and improved the technology.
😂 it's not whining It's fact. Easy to build new trains at lower cost by not investing in the early stage development, avoiding ongoing licence payments whilst enjoying on your "self developed" trains the Japanese developments in overcoming wheel balancing issues, nose design overcoming tunnel boom, braking systems and more.
The thing that most annoys the foreign partners is their role wasn't honestly acknowledged to the local people in China (most of whom believe it's self developed) and also China shamelessly presents HSR on CCTV as being a modern "4 great inventions" of China.
Thank You!
This question is as meaningless as ''Did Henry Ford steal the technology of aumobile production??''
Can you tell the difference between Pepsi Cola and Coca Cola?
Pepsi tastes better.
@@AndrewManook Have you done a blind test during tasting? Both are the same stealing from each other.
I think some of the fuxing hao is in indonesia with its KCIC
The technologies to make the IGBT, the wheels that can run at the speed of 300kmh and above, the motor, all type of sensors, the signaling system, and operating system the whole train system. etc. is not for sell to China, China can't buy any these technology to make of those components and parts from Germany, Japan or French. China buy the finish products of components and parts, a so called technologies transfer packages from corresponding train manufacturing company, which they train the buyer to put those parts together to make a final finish product, a train. When you hear the term "technology transfer" it means the technology of Assembling.
China has exploited foreign technology for civilian & military use from both Europe & Russia. The method is to request for open bids for very large number of units in the beginning “350 railway rolling stock, 200 fighter jets” etc. But once the initial couple of dozen units & critical technology is transferred, the “contracts” are either renegotiated or outright cancelled. China would then soon after introduce “their own” version of the same products without even bothering to change even the external appearances.
Germany also “collaborated” for some time with China on the Maglev technology which currently runs in Shanghai. Russian Sukhoi fighter jets & Chinese counterparts looks almost identical.
But it is a clever strategy to jump start from a poor developing country to a country almost at par with the top technologically advanced countries in the world.
People get what they want isnt it?
So you're saying China "Exploited" those who were TRYING to exploit them?
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Isn't that a form of "Capitalism" ?
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(Oh the irony)
in this world not only us and the west have scentist and talented people
love your vids
Thank you! 🙂
Thank you for the truths....very rare find in West MsM. Kudosn❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Did anyone sue them then?
Underrated🇮🇳player behind curtains watching all this stuff happening for first time.
Amazing achievement
They traded, copied, and built their own ones. Like most manufacturing processes that get exported. That's it.
This is what I called smart reverse engineering
9:40 classic alstom
Technologies Stolen successfully 🤘
Arabian people invented:
Algebra, Trigonometry, Arts,Medicine, Astronomy, Alphabet, Hospitals,Universities...
Chinese people invented:
Paper, Compass, Clocks, Gunpowder, Firearms, Rocket, Money, Printing, Newspaper...
By the way with these Chinese inventions, gunpowder
and firearms, USA defeated the Sioux and Cheyenne.
“The USA is the only country that went from barbarism to modern times without civilization in between"
OSCAR WILDE
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Answer is yes.
don't use paper .
China can't steal something which doesn't exist before... If you thing invention means steal, then you make some sense. lol...
A thief always believes everybody steals
Arabian people invented:
Algebra, Trigonometry, Arts,Medicine, Astronomy, Alphabet, Hospitals,Universities...
Chinese people invented:
Paper, Compass, Clocks, Gunpowder, Firearms, Rocket, Money, Printing, Newspaper...
By the way with these Chinese inventions, gunpowder
and firearms, USA defeated the Sioux and Cheyenne.
“The USA is the only country that went from barbarism to modern times without civilization in between"
OSCAR WILDE
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In answer t to your question of course not
Moral lessons: don't make agreement with Chinese.....
Arabian people invented:
Algebra, Trigonometry, Arts,Medicine, Astronomy, Alphabet, Hospitals,Universities...
Chinese people invented:
Paper, Compass, Clocks, Gunpowder, Firearms, Rocket, Money, Printing, Newspaper...
By the way with these Chinese inventions, gunpowder
and firearms, USA defeated the Sioux and Cheyenne.
“The USA is the only country that went from barbarism to modern times without civilization in between"
OSCAR WILDE
Moral Lesson: A thief always believes everybody steals
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@@directxxxx71 Chinese also invented deadly viruses and world pollution
@@Official-OpenAI more like that’s what you think.