I own a couple of these, but from when they were still made in Korea. The cheap way to fix it is to remove that base plate, stick a shim in front of it, and put it back on. That pushes it back just enough. I've used a piece of old credit card and it worked perfectly. The problem you are seeing is typical. The trem posts bend over time. The model of the trem is the R-Trem; there is a guy they sells hardened steel trem posts for this trem. I've done one of those replacements; just remove the bent posts and put in the new ones. But they're not cheap and I think the guy is in Germany. The "safety" is to lock the bridge so the trem arm doesn't work. The big knob is to adjust the tension of the trem. You want the tension set such that the guitar is in tune whether the trem is locked or not. I actually like the design other than the trem is pretty stiff. Stays in tune forever once it's set up right. And no headstock means I don't accidentally bump the ceiling in my basement, lol.
Hey Dave, I have tons of experience with these overlord of music bridges. Yes the spring will always fly out when you take apart the bridge, I had it almost hit me in the head a couple of times. Also the screw with the end on it adjusts the tension of the bridge, and the latch is to allow you to either float the bridge or lock it as a hardtail. The posts will bend forward as the metal plate is very cheap metal, and the bridge will be fully forward against the cavity wall, this will screw up the intonation and the paint. I even tried replacing the posts with some from Germany and the issue was the plate not the posts. To combat the height of the bridge I filed down the saddles but in the end this bridge won’t return to pitch and all of the tuning screws will bend and fail as will the tension screw, it will bend. The ball ends will break too from being tuned and pulled under the housing. Also the grommet screws on the headstock piece will strip out and not hold tight and the string will go flat so leave so excess string on the backside of the headstock.The ONLY way to make these guitars playable is to replace the bridge with a headless USA replacement bridge. It drops right in and all the parts work amazing. I had no choice but to go down that route and the difference was night and day. The bridge probably costs more than his guitar though. Cheers, Kevin
If I remember rightly, the original Steinbergers were made of carbon fiber and very expensive. However, I managed to get my hands on a second hand cheaper wooden one from Epiphone? In the 80's I was travelling a lot so I carried that, a pignose amp, a 4 channel mixer and a Sony walkman and was able to play everywhere I went. Super convenient.
Hi Dave - If the Chinese counterfeiters actually copied the Steinberger trems there should be a hex head set screw on the side of the trem deep inside a hole that you can loosen and this will unlock the saddles so that you can then height adjust each saddle using the 2 height adjustment grub screws much like on a standard fender strat trem. CAUTION: do not use the trem once you have unlocked the set screw that locks the saddles or your saddles will come flying out all over the place.
Dave likely won't read this, but anyway... No saddle height screws? The lock is for tuning the guitar. Lock the trem Tune the guitar Release the lock Adjust the knob to rotate the assembly up or down to raise or lower the pitch of all six strings. Fine tune. I have a legit MIK Steinberger Spirit and they are a PITA to set up and tune. The Spirit has very little in common with the original Steinberger composite model. The bridge/trem assy is not quite the same. That Chinese version has even less in common. There is also a legit Hohner G3T model from 1989 or so. The thingmabob at the end of the neck is an optional piece to allow the use of regular strings instead of double ball.
I fast-forwarded to “whoa!....I told you this thing was gonna fly out and fuckin kill me” right on the nose. I laughed not at you being in danger but your classic Dave response. It has a safety lock. Jezus. I will stick to my belly bulge bridge repair and not complain.
I happen to own a genuine Steinberger, but it's one of the Gibson-made Steinberger Spirit GT Pro Deluxe models, it has a Steinberger R-Trem fitted to it and it is actually not very hard to dismantle and put back together once you know how, the key to it is loosening-off the master tune knob when disassembling.
My steinberg transtrem from the 80's used double ball strings so easy change strings on the fly and has ability 6 different tunings from two whole steps down and up 1/2 and regular e😅
Great video, thanks Dave! I bought an old Yamaha outta my pal yesterday for 30 bucks, I'm observing and learning here as speak since it needs to be salvaged and your videos are a great reference so I get some ideas, obviously being an amateur myself.
Part of the deal, at least with the actual Steinberger bridges, is to adjust the knob for the spring until the bridge doesn’t move when you release the bridge locking lever.
Hey Dave, funny how you posted the NS bass and now have the “replica”. I’ve seen a few of the Steinberger guitars but they just feel really different to me. Cool but very different.
lve had many Steinbergers. All USA. Have one at my side now. Thats a copy of an S-trem that went on the P types initially and then on the full bodied ones. Those are great tremolos that are gone now. The make a re-issue licensed by Ned but theyre a $1000 dollars and not as good. l have a USA graphite neck for sale that has a small chip that is hidden in the neck pocket beneath the neck and doesnt effect playability what so ever. Flawless 6 string necks can be 1000+ easy.
Is that the awful “Overlord of Music” trem? I have one on a kit that I never quite got working as the mounting point for the string lock was not quite right so the strings rattle over the zero fret. I guess that this is a copy? I have not had hands on one of the current production Sprits. My Korean made Steinberger Spirit also has the leaning post syndrome though.
Ever since I first saw the knock off Steinberger bridge that said "Overlord of Music" I have wanted one. I used to have a real Steinberger a long, long time ago and I know these aren't even near the quality of a real one. I'll be careful, I promise.
I'd love to see an interview with Charlie to find out why he's spent so much on these less-than-stellar guitars and their setups and not just bought one or two decent guitars that can get the tones he's looking for.
Where's the flip down leg rest? I have a version of those (steinberger spirit), the trem is crap, don't use it. I after-marketed the proper steinberger locking nut so I can use normal guitar strings with only one ball end, and changed out the pickups & electronics. Its actually a really good travel guitar (now with the upgrades), but needs the leg rest to sit properly - its strange that one doesn't have one fitted.
Lol! Just like modern cars. Huh? MUCH, MUCH, better! ... I KNEW THAT THING WOULD FLY OUT & GET ME!!! LOL! I Spit up my Chicken soup when that happened!
Dave's wife is making strawberry daiquiris what you hear is ice in the blinder OR she is sharpening all the cutlery in the house so she can murder Dave with a sharp knife. Everyone hates a dull knife. OMG she is doing both! LMAO :)
Those "R Trem" systems are junky. That's a licensed copy of the original Steinberger R Trem, which is just as bad as the copies. They were cast from pot metal, stale donuts and old underwear, which means the mounting plate cracks as the two vertical studs collapse toward the bridge pickup. I have one of these on a MIK Steinberger Spirit. I hardtailed it and it plays great.
This “Overlords of Music” assembly is a cheap knockoff of the original Steinburger trem bridge, which had a better quality of metal for the pivot pins that wouldn’t bend. I actually have one of these bridges that I got from Amazon last year. When it came, it was bent with some missing parts. They refunded the price and didn’t want it back, so I took it apart and replaced the missing parts (just set screws). Still thinking about building a headless guitar around it. I can see that height will be a major factor of whether it works or is a useless piece of crap. In the 80’s, headless guitars were considered cool. I will probably lock the trem, maybe permanently and might even lose the spring entirely. It’s sad how little things like soft screws that break and soft pins that bend can make kind of a clever design into something that doesn’t work at all.
Never saw a contraption such as that but don't the saddles have screws in them to raise and lower the action? I see something in them that looks like it would take an Allen wrench. Oh and wear a helmet, goggles, and safety shield! I guess the manufacturer of that thing never heard the expression - Keep it Simple!
Yes I saw the whole video, and yes you pointed out that the posts were too high but you didn't say anything about the individual string adjustments or maybe I missed it, sorry I annoyed you with my comment, will not happen again. :(
I had one of those things about six years ago and I still sometimes wake up sweating. I never could make the damn thing play, Taught me a lesson about buying cheap crap from AliExpress, Just ........ don't do it. 😂
Strings go through guitar body or through tailpiece. Pull strings and attach to tuners on headstock. Tune guitar until guitar stay in tune. Play guitar. Happiness 😍 All else including Floyd Rose is torture. Add Chinese knock off quality - medieval torture 😡
Lmfao, the saddles have height adjustments also...bro, your making a mountain out of a mole hill...don't be routing anything...you might notice when you try intonation...
Is playing a guitar just not hard enough? Do you really have to make it harder by buying a weird guitar that you can't setup, can't hold & can't tune?? lol...
True, but my Traveler EG-2 was a great companion in younger daze. I did a lot of globe trotting and routinely lived in hotels in a country where I didn't know the language. TSA would occasionally squawk about it, but it was well worth the investment.
Same here. Unfortunately, manufacturers, be they the original article or a knock-off, are in competition to make things so complex, they become a PITC to set up and a huge PITC to repair.
I own a couple of these, but from when they were still made in Korea. The cheap way to fix it is to remove that base plate, stick a shim in front of it, and put it back on. That pushes it back just enough. I've used a piece of old credit card and it worked perfectly. The problem you are seeing is typical. The trem posts bend over time. The model of the trem is the R-Trem; there is a guy they sells hardened steel trem posts for this trem. I've done one of those replacements; just remove the bent posts and put in the new ones. But they're not cheap and I think the guy is in Germany. The "safety" is to lock the bridge so the trem arm doesn't work. The big knob is to adjust the tension of the trem. You want the tension set such that the guitar is in tune whether the trem is locked or not. I actually like the design other than the trem is pretty stiff. Stays in tune forever once it's set up right. And no headstock means I don't accidentally bump the ceiling in my basement, lol.
Hey Dave, I have tons of experience with these overlord of music bridges. Yes the spring will always fly out when you take apart the bridge, I had it almost hit me in the head a couple of times. Also the screw with the end on it adjusts the tension of the bridge, and the latch is to allow you to either float the bridge or lock it as a hardtail. The posts will bend forward as the metal plate is very cheap metal, and the bridge will be fully forward against the cavity wall, this will screw up the intonation and the paint. I even tried replacing the posts with some from Germany and the issue was the plate not the posts. To combat the height of the bridge I filed down the saddles but in the end this bridge won’t return to pitch and all of the tuning screws will bend and fail as will the tension screw, it will bend. The ball ends will break too from being tuned and pulled under the housing. Also the grommet screws on the headstock piece will strip out and not hold tight and the string will go flat so leave so excess string on the backside of the headstock.The ONLY way to make these guitars playable is to replace the bridge with a headless USA replacement bridge. It drops right in and all the parts work amazing. I had no choice but to go down that route and the difference was night and day. The bridge probably costs more than his guitar though.
Cheers,
Kevin
Another excellent testimonial as to why I don't stray too far from designs that came from the mind of one Mr. Leo Fender!
😂Dave! That was pure entertainment! When that spring came out!😂😂😂
There's no escape from China's craftsmanship now...
A double Dave day with a happy ending for a guitar, a great jump scare, and a cliff hanger? What a treat!!
If I remember rightly, the original Steinbergers were made of carbon fiber and very expensive. However, I managed to get my hands on a second hand cheaper wooden one from Epiphone? In the 80's I was travelling a lot so I carried that, a pignose amp, a 4 channel mixer and a Sony walkman and was able to play everywhere I went. Super convenient.
Building a Kit guitar is a lot fun what have you got to lose. You are learning from the best there is. Rock On Dave Cheers
Hi Dave - If the Chinese counterfeiters actually copied the Steinberger trems there should be a hex head set screw on the side of the trem deep inside a hole that you can loosen and this will unlock the saddles so that you can then height adjust each saddle using the 2 height adjustment grub screws much like on a standard fender strat trem. CAUTION: do not use the trem once you have unlocked the set screw that locks the saddles or your saddles will come flying out all over the place.
A fail's not a fail, until you give up. Win, Dave, win!
I love china - rock & roll Space-Ships..
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
Dave, you are the Overlord Of Music😂
I remember Hohner had those type of guitars out back in the mid 80's. Then Steinberger made them, but until now I have not seen a Chine berger..!
Dave likely won't read this, but anyway...
No saddle height screws?
The lock is for tuning the guitar.
Lock the trem
Tune the guitar
Release the lock
Adjust the knob to rotate the assembly up or down to raise or lower the pitch of all six strings.
Fine tune.
I have a legit MIK Steinberger Spirit and they are a PITA to set up and tune.
The Spirit has very little in common with the original Steinberger composite model. The bridge/trem assy is not quite the same. That Chinese version has even less in common. There is also a legit Hohner G3T model from 1989 or so.
The thingmabob at the end of the neck is an optional piece to allow the use of regular strings instead of double ball.
Well, Dave did give your post a "Like", so he must've read it.
Spirits are a fun beast to work on.
No, not really, but that mechanism is a fun one to figure out.
That's not a spirit model , its a knockoff copy from ali-express and they are terrible on the overlord of music is not accurately licensed trem.
Thats even worse, then.
Because its not great to begin with, hehe.@robindrews9225
I see now.
I fast-forwarded to “whoa!....I told you this thing was gonna fly out and fuckin kill me” right on the nose. I laughed not at you being in danger but your classic Dave response. It has a safety lock. Jezus. I will stick to my belly bulge bridge repair and not complain.
I happen to own a genuine Steinberger, but it's one of the Gibson-made Steinberger Spirit GT Pro Deluxe models, it has a Steinberger R-Trem fitted to it and it is actually not very hard to dismantle and put back together once you know how, the key to it is loosening-off the master tune knob when disassembling.
it was :(
Another new opening - very cool. 🎸
Jigsaw puzzle with attack mode
My steinberg transtrem from the 80's used double ball strings so easy change strings on the fly and has ability 6 different tunings from two whole steps down and up 1/2 and regular e😅
It's not only a guitar, but it's also good for spear fishing.
Great video, thanks Dave! I bought an old Yamaha outta my pal yesterday for 30 bucks, I'm observing and learning here as speak since it needs to be salvaged and your videos are a great reference so I get some ideas, obviously being an amateur myself.
Part of the deal, at least with the actual Steinberger bridges, is to adjust the knob for the spring until the bridge doesn’t move when you release the bridge locking lever.
and a spring in the eye :)
@@DavesWorldofFunStuff to quote Norm Abrams, “The most important safety rule is to wear these, safety glasses.”
Fun fact, Eddie van Halen played one of these with the "trans trem"... I can't believe you've never messed with one of these..
in the landfill that's why
I really like it black. Namastè.
Charlie absolutely owes you a good beer and some chicken wings!!
Dave !!that was funny!lol why are the saddles concave instead of convex the radius is out of wack,Cheers!
they do go up and down, but they were as low as they go and the bridge was as low as it went
I had a Jack in the Box once.
Hey Dave, funny how you posted the NS bass and now have the “replica”.
I’ve seen a few of the Steinberger guitars but they just feel really different to me. Cool but very different.
It's a Rube Golberg for sure 🤪
Dave just declared war on China!🤣🤣
Oh my God! It was like an exploding pager or something! I damn near jumped outta my seat! That was scary
As if Charlie's Chibsons are not the only ones that have these shenanigans.
I knew that thing would fly out and kill ya
_Three times,_ even, and in the exact same fashion! That's Chinese precision for ya!
lve had many Steinbergers. All USA. Have one at my side now. Thats a copy of an S-trem that went on the P types initially and then on the full bodied ones. Those are great tremolos that are gone now. The make a re-issue licensed by Ned but theyre a $1000 dollars and not as good. l have a USA graphite neck for sale that has a small chip that is hidden in the neck pocket beneath the neck and doesnt effect playability what so ever. Flawless 6 string necks can be 1000+ easy.
Upstairs somebody is already routing another Chinberger.
Those are popular for some reason with people that play the reggae
Someone in Devo played one of those. Figures.
Is that the awful “Overlord of Music” trem?
I have one on a kit that I never quite got working as the mounting point for the string lock was not quite right so the strings rattle over the zero fret. I guess that this is a copy? I have not had hands on one of the current production Sprits.
My Korean made Steinberger Spirit also has the leaning post syndrome though.
Ever since I first saw the knock off Steinberger bridge that said "Overlord of Music" I have wanted one. I used to have a real Steinberger a long, long time ago and I know these aren't even near the quality of a real one. I'll be careful, I promise.
Overturd of music
Charlie really is hooked on knockoffs. What would he do without you, Dave?
It looks like the person that sent it to Dave strung backward. Doesn't the ball end go on the headstock end of the neck?
no
🤣🤣 great vid Dave
Just got a strange urge to play a Devo song or two.
Are you certain that it wasn't an "Uncontrollable Urge?"
I'd love to see an interview with Charlie to find out why he's spent so much on these less-than-stellar guitars and their setups and not just bought one or two decent guitars that can get the tones he's looking for.
@@Pusheadcic Lots of empty wall space?
Chinaberger lol 😂.
or Sheinberger tee hee
Where's the flip down leg rest? I have a version of those (steinberger spirit), the trem is crap, don't use it. I after-marketed the proper steinberger locking nut so I can use normal guitar strings with only one ball end, and changed out the pickups & electronics. Its actually a really good travel guitar (now with the upgrades), but needs the leg rest to sit properly - its strange that one doesn't have one fitted.
Trolled by a 'Berger🤣
If only they made a double neck version 😆
Lol! Just like modern cars. Huh? MUCH, MUCH, better! ...
I KNEW THAT THING WOULD FLY OUT & GET ME!!! LOL! I Spit up my Chicken soup when that happened!
06:54 😂😂😂
Dave's wife is making strawberry daiquiris what you hear is ice in the blinder OR she is sharpening all the cutlery in the house so she can murder Dave with a sharp knife. Everyone hates a dull knife. OMG she is doing both! LMAO :)
I think it's a Chinese Catapult.
What about those EMGs, fake as well? That could be a Steinberger Spirit that’s been modded with EMGs and a fake logo.
Of all the guitars out there who the heck buys that thing, and why??
me, with more humor than sense
I do have a spirit, its pretty good traveler.
Good guitar? Not really.
Same. Agree with your sentiment.
I've had mine for ~3 weeks, it lives in my kit bag at work and I take it out when I have downtime. It's pretty good for that.
Chinese puzzle.
Almost as funny as when the neon tube exploded...!
If a knock off Charvel is made in China, is it called a Charvel then?
Those "R Trem" systems are junky. That's a licensed copy of the original Steinberger R Trem, which is just as bad as the copies. They were cast from pot metal, stale donuts and old underwear, which means the mounting plate cracks as the two vertical studs collapse toward the bridge pickup. I have one of these on a MIK Steinberger Spirit. I hardtailed it and it plays great.
Looks like a banana : )
Why not call it a Chineberger?
i hate doubleball end strings i had a Cort. $30 for a set. I got rid of it
Charlie hasn't spent more than $3.45 on any of his guitars
yep
It’s a Chinaberger
That is one hideous guitar……cheers Dave, you can do it boy!
This “Overlords of Music” assembly is a cheap knockoff of the original Steinburger trem bridge, which had a better quality of metal for the pivot pins that wouldn’t bend. I actually have one of these bridges that I got from Amazon last year. When it came, it was bent with some missing parts. They refunded the price and didn’t want it back, so I took it apart and replaced the missing parts (just set screws). Still thinking about building a headless guitar around it. I can see that height will be a major factor of whether it works or is a useless piece of crap. In the 80’s, headless guitars were considered cool. I will probably lock the trem, maybe permanently and might even lose the spring entirely. It’s sad how little things like soft screws that break and soft pins that bend can make kind of a clever design into something that doesn’t work at all.
Never saw a contraption such as that but don't the saddles have screws in them to raise and lower the action? I see something in them that looks like it would take an Allen wrench. Oh and wear a helmet, goggles, and safety shield! I guess the manufacturer of that thing never heard the expression - Keep it Simple!
Yes I saw the whole video, and yes you pointed out that the posts were too high but you didn't say anything about the individual string adjustments or maybe I missed it, sorry I annoyed you with my comment, will not happen again. :(
Chinaburger 1, Dave 0.
I feel for your,what mess but I know you can figure it out.
It's a cheeseburger....
Ned Steinberg and Floyd Rose's Love Child... couldn't be any more complicated or ugly :)
I had one of those things about six years ago and I still sometimes wake up sweating. I never could make the damn thing play, Taught me a lesson about buying cheap crap from AliExpress, Just ........ don't do it. 😂
Canoe paddle
Obviously a headless person thought of a headless guitar. Why reinvent the wheel?
Strings go through guitar body or through tailpiece. Pull strings and attach to tuners on headstock. Tune guitar until guitar stay in tune. Play guitar. Happiness 😍 All else including Floyd Rose is torture. Add Chinese knock off quality - medieval torture 😡
-1ea
Keep Charlie off of Kajiji😅😅
I nearly bought one of those, but then I played it, and it sounded shit.
Decent machine for annihilating the band member on stage to your right...
Not a very practical guitar, any maintenance on that bridge is too complicated. Maybe that’s why we don’t see people using them.
I hate those guitars.
Lmfao, the saddles have height adjustments also...bro, your making a mountain out of a mole hill...don't be routing anything...you might notice when you try intonation...
they are at the bottom and don't low enough GFO
yer an idiot ..they are the bottom..pay attenttion comment later then gfo
Waiting for someone to remind us how great the guitars coming from China are..🙄
That's not a guitar lol
Charlie spends a lot of money on junk.
Is playing a guitar just not hard enough? Do you really have to make it harder by buying a weird guitar that you can't setup, can't hold & can't tune?? lol...
Headless guitars. Not many things on earth uglier.
True, but my Traveler EG-2 was a great companion in younger daze. I did a lot of globe trotting and routinely lived in hotels in a country where I didn't know the language. TSA would occasionally squawk about it, but it was well worth the investment.
Just weird, but fun! Made by those Chinese Jews in the Chinatown section of Tel Aviv. No kidding.
I hate guitars that are complicated and dangerous.
Same here. Unfortunately, manufacturers, be they the original article or a knock-off, are in competition to make things so complex, they become a PITC to set up and a huge PITC to repair.
That guitar is definitely made for the novice guitar player. Easy peasy. Jesus.
Hmm. Its a part of the Gibson family of guitars.according to the website
Dave, keep your head, you're going to get hurt...That Chinese garbage....