@@thegaywomenchanneldude this is not a joke the director actually said they explored the possibility of Rio being the father and when they were hiring Nicky’s actor they tried finding someone that looks like Rio too. She never fully confirmed but she said the possibility is definitely there
I finally got the toxic older lesbians of my dreams. Also from the podcast- Nicky was either made entirely from Agatha’s magic or you can interpret Rio’s own magic being in the mix (you ARE the father) And they lived in a cabin together before baby was born.
@@thegaywomenchannel It's in one of the written interviews with the director where she mentions they met over corpses and eventually moved into a cabin together! The director didn't tell us who Nicky's father is, either because she doesn't know herself or because she didn't want to say in case of future show purposes. (Kathryn, however said a man wasn't involved, I haven't found this direct thing though, reddit told me) I want it to be Rio because Agatha and Rio were still lovers when Agatha was giving birth to Nicky. Presumably they broke up after Rio gave her "time".
@@Mercy16TheElf Some also use Agatha’s line of „you were made from scratch“ to reason in that context + reddit is referring to the Interview that Kathryn had with „In creative company“ where she said „they didn’t need men […] it’s this all woman kind of and queer kind of group“. There is also the theory that Nicky might have referred to Rio, when he said „My Mother needs me home..“ as in Agatha = Mama and Rio = Mother 😭
@@jennypham6926 Possibly! Although given how Agatha has kept an eye on him and Rio likely hasn't spent time with Nicky before the night she collected him, as I don't imagine Nicky would lie to Agatha if Rio said don't tell her. He's too good of a boy. I think it was mere coincidence of different word usage as he was playing a part in front of others when he used it. He was an actor (and singer) like Agatha. Also thank you for telling me where to find the information about what Kathryn said that!
I’m so OBSESSED with this show. And fun facts - show creator Jac, basically confirmed that Rio is the father, that’s why they casted young Nicky with resemblance to Aubrey. And Jac also said that Agatha and Rio definitely kissed before.
You guys ❤ i love seeing you back here!!! Btw, there are so many cool theories out there! One includes (and this is semi canon confirmed by a writer) Rio actually being Nicholas' 'father' and because he is the child of death he was never supposed to live and agatha was killing the witches either to buy time for Nicky or to become so powerful nobody would mess with her. And there is sooo many more theories!
It's not a kiss of death. Agatha used her power. Notice how RIo didn't seem to notice she was taking her power at first. Also Jac Shaffer said it was more of a goodbye and forgiveness.
I definitely, want to know more about Agatha and Rio’s relationship. There should be a few episodes that flash back, to when they were madly in love and inseparable.
Rio said that she hates ghosts, so not sure how they're "functioning" now... And Agatha basically killed herself, she died cause she took some of the Rio's powers. Which is another romantic factor of the kiss for me, she didn't want for Rio to kill her love. So they could kiss "normally" before,,,
I'm still salty about Captain Marvel. She was living with a woman she'd done military training with, there were all these pictures of her and her roommate laughing and dancing at their favorite bar, the roommate was devastated with she disappeared. And they had been raising a BABY and a CAT together and they refuse to admit she was maybe not heterosexual. How???? The only thing they didn't have was a Forrester.
Haven't watched this yet. But I HAVE seen Last ExMas at the premiere and it was BRILLIANT! So funny, so sweet, so uplifting, and so many adorable holiday pullovers 🥰🎄 Thank you so much for making it. Everyone should watch it. Watch it. With your straight friends & family too! And Joe was excellent. Kinda feel he now needs to easter egg in everything you do
One on the Marvel (Canadian supergroup) "Alpha Flight" characters (Northstar) was the first openly gay Marvel superhero. First introduced in 1979 (!), he was gradually revealed to be gay. He got married in 2012.
Lots of questions, lots of answers cause I’m deep in the Agathario tumblr tag full of interviews and quotes from Jac. Stay with me here 😅 1) The writers intended Rio to be the father of Nicky, which they took into account when casting him. They wanted someone who looked like Agatha and Rio’s child. Because Rio is THE Green Witch and can create life just as she can take it, she is the other biological parent of Nicky but because he is the child of Death, she had to take him back. He was never meant to be 2) Agatha and Rio had storylines written (also confirmed by Jac) of them living together in a cottage and being in a relationship, having a life together but it got scrapped (there’s theories/head cannons on Tumblr that the canon from Agatha’s trial was the one she and Rio lived in and that’s how Rio knew whose trial it was). Jac also confirmed that the “kiss of death” wasn’t their first kiss. That cycles back to the first episode where it’s revealed that Agatha has succubus powers, during the kiss she took Rio’s powers to kill herself. In the scene you can see the black cracks spreading across Agatha’s cheeks for a moment or two before they disappear and the kiss turns from Agatha’s sacrifice to just her kissing the woman she loves and giving in to her feelings for Rio (you can also see on Rio’s face when Agatha starts levitating that she wasn’t expecting the kiss to kill her love) 3) The most common theory so far about why Agatha kept killing the witches is the pretty much the same reason Thanos tried to wipe out half of humanity. For Rio, for Death. To please her. Agatha killed the witches in an attempt to buy her son more time and keep Rio busy with other bodies. Then post Nicky passing I think she just wanted power. She didn’t have that little voice of her son stopping her from killing the witches or making her feel guilty about it. She could just keep harvesting their power for herself 4) bonus devastating thoughts/confirmations: during the scene where Agatha says she never wants to see Rio’s face again, it’s been confirmed that initially the writers had it so Agatha asked Rio to retire that (Aubrey Plaza) form and Rio responds with “But this is the me that you fell in love with), adding on top of that the physical similarities between Rio and Nicky fans are theorising that Agatha asked that because she sees so much of Nicky in Rio that it breaks her heart to see him in Rio’s appearance. Also after the “kiss of Death” we see Rio in her skull face form, showing that she kept up her side of the deal and changed her face so Agatha wouldn’t see it again. Also Agatha became a ghost so Rio couldn’t take her soul and they wouldn’t have to face each other again, just like Agatha had asked in their deal
As soon as I saw Mrs. Fletcher I died. Several Times. Like im Not even interessted in her sons Storyline and Just watched every Eve Scene. Tbh Several Times a day - I have the finale Moments saved on my Phone. Its a little bit unhealthy Maybe. Or just the typical lesbian behaviour, idk. It will pass
I first saw Hahn on Crossing Jordan (playing a quirkily empathic grief counselor at a morgue). I'm wondering uf the queer roles started flooding in after a roundtable discussion video was edited to build sexual tension between her and Rachel Weisz.
I loved it, I needed more (Agatha is not a villain, she's hurt and bitter from grief and way too regular betrayal and dealing in unhealthy ways). I am half-Agatha and half-Lilia. I would also date their male counterparts (Sorry, but I am androsexual Apagender).
There was no baby daddy. She made him from scratch, which either means there was no other parent and that's why he had to die bc he went against the natural order OR Rio was involved somehow bc death is genderless although she chooses to often present as feminine and Nicky just had to die because sometimes boys die
If you want to deep dive into each episode and understand everything I recommend the "Emergency Awesome" channel and his videos. It helped me understand everything so much more. Why Agatha is a ghost, the whole Death as a character thing. etc.
Valkyrie was suppose to be the first lesbian character I believe but they didn't really do a good job of portraying that. Then Eternals had the first male gay on screen kiss. So Wiccan/Billy will be the second.
🎉CONGRATULATIONS❣️ On The new A Movie guys‼️🎦💘 ☃️💝🙌🏽 ~~I'm still behind with catching: Agatha all along:…~but currently everything seems confusing enough🤞🏽…that I'll probably have forgotten or negligibly absorbed any *Spoilers* by the time I see it!🤞🏽Ntl, clips so far seem awesome!👐🏽🤩🥳🧙♀️🧙 Also I have a mini *Flemson*fandom-update… which I know is entirely random…& also connected to a British-{BBC}TV series Called: Line-of-duty,…{both-of}which you've probably never seen, if even heard of… …but I kid you not, it was potent-stuff…& it might have been the pandemic getting to everyone, as well as it's queerbaiting… but it just hit a-*Nerve¡~&~broke-something… ~~Anyhow…of the/that traumatised niche-population, of {generally~}Britain😅, who took to Twitter like: 3&a-bit~years ago🤔… …~🧐I can confirm that it's resulted in no less than:💒2💘Marriges!!❣️🥴💒😊❣️❣️👰👰🏼 ~Let alone countless:AO3s… • +I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like 1K+ by now, {but I haven't checked recently}… & It was already, something around: 700-FanFics🥐 within the first 6-months regardless!👀🤷🏽♂️… Anyway, I just wanted to drop-in an update… because I kind-of looped you into my Meltdown about it, in the spring of 2021,🥴😏😅😂😬😅 ~~& the thread's now: private, while on ElonMusk's-Twitter…Yet, nevertheless, I just wanted to highlight, just how impactful the OTP's (unrequited) portrayal & fallout, has been.~ 😋🥴😵💫💔😵🙈🚔🙃
I absolutely hate people who say this is all I care about. Like yes, Agatha and Rio were amazing in this show, but saying that is all you care about is so douchy and stupid. So you did not care about the writing, directing and acting? You did not care about the mystery and plot twists of the show? You did not care about character arcs and character development and mainly episode 7 where it was the best episode of the show and it had nothing to do with Agatha and Rio? Pathetic!
Rio IS the baby daddy
hahahah
@@thegaywomenchanneldude this is not a joke the director actually said they explored the possibility of Rio being the father and when they were hiring Nicky’s actor they tried finding someone that looks like Rio too. She never fully confirmed but she said the possibility is definitely there
I finally got the toxic older lesbians of my dreams. Also from the podcast- Nicky was either made entirely from Agatha’s magic or you can interpret Rio’s own magic being in the mix (you ARE the father) And they lived in a cabin together before baby was born.
Did they say they lived in a cabin? Do they also have a comic book relationship?? We need more Agatha & Rio backstory!!
@@thegaywomenchannel It's in one of the written interviews with the director where she mentions they met over corpses and eventually moved into a cabin together! The director didn't tell us who Nicky's father is, either because she doesn't know herself or because she didn't want to say in case of future show purposes. (Kathryn, however said a man wasn't involved, I haven't found this direct thing though, reddit told me) I want it to be Rio because Agatha and Rio were still lovers when Agatha was giving birth to Nicky. Presumably they broke up after Rio gave her "time".
@@Mercy16TheElf Some also use Agatha’s line of „you were made from scratch“ to reason in that context + reddit is referring to the Interview that Kathryn had with „In creative company“ where she said „they didn’t need men […] it’s this all woman kind of and queer kind of group“. There is also the theory that Nicky might have referred to Rio, when he said „My Mother needs me home..“ as in Agatha = Mama and Rio = Mother 😭
@@jennypham6926 Possibly! Although given how Agatha has kept an eye on him and Rio likely hasn't spent time with Nicky before the night she collected him, as I don't imagine Nicky would lie to Agatha if Rio said don't tell her. He's too good of a boy. I think it was mere coincidence of different word usage as he was playing a part in front of others when he used it. He was an actor (and singer) like Agatha. Also thank you for telling me where to find the information about what Kathryn said that!
You guys should have Aubrey plaza as a guest just like you guys did with carmilla it'd be so great!
I’m so OBSESSED with this show. And fun facts - show creator Jac, basically confirmed that Rio is the father, that’s why they casted young Nicky with resemblance to Aubrey. And Jac also said that Agatha and Rio definitely kissed before.
I need to find more jac interviews hahaha she's said a lot of things I need to hear 😅
@@jessicagomez7714 In Jac we trust ❤
You guys ❤ i love seeing you back here!!!
Btw, there are so many cool theories out there! One includes (and this is semi canon confirmed by a writer) Rio actually being Nicholas' 'father' and because he is the child of death he was never supposed to live and agatha was killing the witches either to buy time for Nicky or to become so powerful nobody would mess with her. And there is sooo many more theories!
It's not a kiss of death. Agatha used her power. Notice how RIo didn't seem to notice she was taking her power at first. Also Jac Shaffer said it was more of a goodbye and forgiveness.
Well this is a pleasant surprise ❤❤ so happy that you are talking about Agatha all along
I definitely, want to know more about Agatha and Rio’s relationship. There should be a few episodes that flash back, to when they were madly in love and inseparable.
We've missed you guys!!! 😊 It's good to see you've been busy
Thanks for coming back!
Patti - I mean Lilia - but really, Patti is my type. I like my women seasoned, assertive, explicit, and unapologetic.
Rio said that she hates ghosts, so not sure how they're "functioning" now...
And Agatha basically killed herself, she died cause she took some of the Rio's powers. Which is another romantic factor of the kiss for me, she didn't want for Rio to kill her love. So they could kiss "normally" before,,,
🤣🤣
I'm still salty about Captain Marvel. She was living with a woman she'd done military training with, there were all these pictures of her and her roommate laughing and dancing at their favorite bar, the roommate was devastated with she disappeared. And they had been raising a BABY and a CAT together and they refuse to admit she was maybe not heterosexual. How???? The only thing they didn't have was a Forrester.
It was a “there’s no heterosexual explanation” scenario but Marvel/Disney was too cowardly to make it canon. Love Rowan Ellis’s rant about it.
@@mhawang8204 Ooooh. Went to go watch this. She nailed it!
Thank you guys for putting out so much lesbian media :)) Your art has really warmed my heart. I hope youre both thriving!
"Did Rio kill the baby daddy"
Buddy, Rio IS the baby daddy
Marvel's Runaways (2017-2019) had lesbian teens. It aired on Hulu.
Haven't watched this yet. But I HAVE seen Last ExMas at the premiere and it was BRILLIANT! So funny, so sweet, so uplifting, and so many adorable holiday pullovers 🥰🎄
Thank you so much for making it. Everyone should watch it. Watch it. With your straight friends & family too!
And Joe was excellent. Kinda feel he now needs to easter egg in everything you do
Finally! I was waiting❤
One on the Marvel (Canadian supergroup) "Alpha Flight" characters (Northstar) was the first openly gay Marvel superhero. First introduced in 1979 (!), he was gradually revealed to be gay. He got married in 2012.
More Lesbians, please. I love all the films you’ve done before. Lots of love from the UK xxxxx
I'm pretty sure Tessa Thompson plays a queer Valkyrie, but it was only talked about. Never a kiss.
So it is the first GG kiss in the MCU.
Yeah I remember that. Did they have a film planned that didn't happen?
Lots of questions, lots of answers cause I’m deep in the Agathario tumblr tag full of interviews and quotes from Jac. Stay with me here 😅
1) The writers intended Rio to be the father of Nicky, which they took into account when casting him. They wanted someone who looked like Agatha and Rio’s child. Because Rio is THE Green Witch and can create life just as she can take it, she is the other biological parent of Nicky but because he is the child of Death, she had to take him back. He was never meant to be
2) Agatha and Rio had storylines written (also confirmed by Jac) of them living together in a cottage and being in a relationship, having a life together but it got scrapped (there’s theories/head cannons on Tumblr that the canon from Agatha’s trial was the one she and Rio lived in and that’s how Rio knew whose trial it was). Jac also confirmed that the “kiss of death” wasn’t their first kiss. That cycles back to the first episode where it’s revealed that Agatha has succubus powers, during the kiss she took Rio’s powers to kill herself. In the scene you can see the black cracks spreading across Agatha’s cheeks for a moment or two before they disappear and the kiss turns from Agatha’s sacrifice to just her kissing the woman she loves and giving in to her feelings for Rio (you can also see on Rio’s face when Agatha starts levitating that she wasn’t expecting the kiss to kill her love)
3) The most common theory so far about why Agatha kept killing the witches is the pretty much the same reason Thanos tried to wipe out half of humanity. For Rio, for Death. To please her. Agatha killed the witches in an attempt to buy her son more time and keep Rio busy with other bodies. Then post Nicky passing I think she just wanted power. She didn’t have that little voice of her son stopping her from killing the witches or making her feel guilty about it. She could just keep harvesting their power for herself
4) bonus devastating thoughts/confirmations: during the scene where Agatha says she never wants to see Rio’s face again, it’s been confirmed that initially the writers had it so Agatha asked Rio to retire that (Aubrey Plaza) form and Rio responds with “But this is the me that you fell in love with), adding on top of that the physical similarities between Rio and Nicky fans are theorising that Agatha asked that because she sees so much of Nicky in Rio that it breaks her heart to see him in Rio’s appearance. Also after the “kiss of Death” we see Rio in her skull face form, showing that she kept up her side of the deal and changed her face so Agatha wouldn’t see it again. Also Agatha became a ghost so Rio couldn’t take her soul and they wouldn’t have to face each other again, just like Agatha had asked in their deal
omg I missed this!!
As soon as Kathryn Hahn hit 45 I choked, to be honest.
As soon as I saw Mrs. Fletcher I died. Several Times. Like im Not even interessted in her sons Storyline and Just watched every Eve Scene. Tbh Several Times a day - I have the finale Moments saved on my Phone. Its a little bit unhealthy Maybe. Or just the typical lesbian behaviour, idk. It will pass
I need questions answered. That is the biggest sentiment coming out of the season 🤣
It is even deeper than this though! She loved death so much, she created life - from scratch - Nicholas Scratch
I first saw Hahn on Crossing Jordan (playing a quirkily empathic grief counselor at a morgue). I'm wondering uf the queer roles started flooding in after a roundtable discussion video was edited to build sexual tension between her and Rachel Weisz.
2:00 in canon the show takes place in 2026, the events of wandavision in 2023 - the mcu is "ahead" of our time
I loved it, I needed more (Agatha is not a villain, she's hurt and bitter from grief and way too regular betrayal and dealing in unhealthy ways).
I am half-Agatha and half-Lilia. I would also date their male counterparts (Sorry, but I am androsexual Apagender).
I always get Aubrey Plaza mixed up with the place in Texas where JFK was shot, which I think is called Dealey Plaza.
Listen you gays need to do an ep about Thai girls love series (and specifically Freenbecky), it's everything we ever wanted🥹
There was no baby daddy. She made him from scratch, which either means there was no other parent and that's why he had to die bc he went against the natural order OR Rio was involved somehow bc death is genderless although she chooses to often present as feminine and Nicky just had to die because sometimes boys die
I was expecting only how they started dating. Imagine not getting over your ex for CENTURIES
Typical lesbians’ behaviours tbh
agatha is my type... i'm mean... is kathryn hahn
That's all you had to say
0:15 last x-men? 😮
Should be watching the series before watching this I have no idea what's going on 😂
Agatha isn’t the first gay and out character in the MCU. One of the Eternals is gay and he has a husband !
If you want to deep dive into each episode and understand everything I recommend the "Emergency Awesome" channel and his videos. It helped me understand everything so much more. Why Agatha is a ghost, the whole Death as a character thing. etc.
Valkyrie was suppose to be the first lesbian character I believe but they didn't really do a good job of portraying that. Then Eternals had the first male gay on screen kiss. So Wiccan/Billy will be the second.
There is no baby daddy. The baby was made from scratch, so magic birth.
Agatha said "no magic"...
There was no baby daddy.
EXPLAIN!
🎉CONGRATULATIONS❣️ On The new A Movie guys‼️🎦💘 ☃️💝🙌🏽
~~I'm still behind with catching: Agatha all along:…~but currently everything seems confusing enough🤞🏽…that I'll probably have forgotten or negligibly absorbed any *Spoilers* by the time I see it!🤞🏽Ntl, clips so far seem awesome!👐🏽🤩🥳🧙♀️🧙
Also I have a mini *Flemson*fandom-update… which I know is entirely random…& also connected to a British-{BBC}TV series Called: Line-of-duty,…{both-of}which you've probably never seen, if even heard of…
…but I kid you not, it was potent-stuff…& it might have been the pandemic getting to everyone, as well as it's queerbaiting… but it just hit a-*Nerve¡~&~broke-something…
~~Anyhow…of the/that traumatised niche-population, of {generally~}Britain😅, who took to Twitter like: 3&a-bit~years ago🤔…
…~🧐I can confirm that it's resulted in no less than:💒2💘Marriges!!❣️🥴💒😊❣️❣️👰👰🏼
~Let alone countless:AO3s…
• +I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like 1K+ by now, {but I haven't checked recently}…
& It was already, something around: 700-FanFics🥐 within the first 6-months regardless!👀🤷🏽♂️…
Anyway, I just wanted to drop-in an update… because I kind-of looped you into my Meltdown about it, in the spring of 2021,🥴😏😅😂😬😅
~~& the thread's now: private, while on ElonMusk's-Twitter…Yet, nevertheless, I just wanted to highlight, just how impactful the OTP's (unrequited) portrayal & fallout, has been.~ 😋🥴😵💫💔😵🙈🚔🙃
I absolutely hate people who say this is all I care about. Like yes, Agatha and Rio were amazing in this show, but saying that is all you care about is so douchy and stupid. So you did not care about the writing, directing and acting? You did not care about the mystery and plot twists of the show? You did not care about character arcs and character development and mainly episode 7 where it was the best episode of the show and it had nothing to do with Agatha and Rio?
Pathetic!
This is GWC after all, not your film analysis deep dive channel.
I also wanted a special episode of Rio and Agatha's love story 😅 Aubrey supremacy 🪄