STW #74: Survivor Series 2002
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- On this episode: It goes without saying that 2002 was a crazy year for the WWE. In this episode we discuss the first brand split fizzling, the way the boys felt about it, who created Katie Vick, how the funeral segment was shot, the fallout from the angle, why they got rid of the Intercontinental title, the Lennox Lewis vs. Brock Lesnar PPV, Undertaker missing a PPV main event, was Kevin Nash milking the quad injury, Stephanie discussing her sex life with Triple H on Howard Stern, Regal's rep as an office stooge, Terry Taylor coming back in for the 917th time, heat with Test over not cutting his hair, how Nathan Jones got hired, what Vince thought of JR's BBQ sauce, when the company knew Edge was a top guy, when Bret and Vince started talking again, Vince being "hot and cold" with Mick Foley, how and why the Scott Steiner deal came together, the issue Linda McMahon had with Hogan's book, Hogan playing the WWE against AJPW in the middle of his book promotion, Jeff Hardy's "passion" for wrestling, the biggest gate in MSG history, the rumored Lesnar-Hogan main event for Survivor Series, the heat between Brock and Big Show, what the office thought of Chyna and Waltman getting engaged, why the WWE website pulled down Austin's merchandise, why they brought back the Big Gold Belt, who was for it and who was against it, why the company can't say the letters "WWF" in some old footage on the Network, a newspaper's behind the scene's look at a day at RAW, embezzlement at the WWF New York Club, Shane's role in the company, rumors that Shane and HHH don't get along, a theory of why Raven didn't get more of a push, HHH's political power, whether or not Steiner was a locker room cancer, how was Shawn in the locker room after his return, the expectations that Jeff Hardy will jump off of stuff, Bruce teaches Conrad about vomitoriums, the craziest opener in Survivor Series history, what made Angle great in backstage skits, why Kidman changed his look, how underrated Noble and Nidia were, who remembers the F-View camera angle, what kept the Lesnar/Show match short, one of the best matches you probably don't remember, what kept Chavo from being World Champion, what Vince thought of Chris Nowinski, Matt Hardy Version 1, why Steiner came in as a babyface, the WWE's relationship with Saliva, why Booker T had more success than other WCW transplants, Shawn's gear and haircut, the original plan for Shawn's return, RVD injuring HHH's throat, whether or not there was heat after the injury, the creation of the cell, who thought of it, who made it, what did the boys think of it, and did the company plan for this to be permanent gimmick match going forward? PLUS details on our new poll for the 12/1 episode, a bonus offer to look at Bruce's old booking sheets, plus more details about your NEW Thanksgiving Tradition! Help us with a fast and easy survey here: www.PodcastListener.com/wrestling
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Survivor series 2002 one of the most underrated pay per views of all time in my opinion. Great podcast massive fan guys, respect from down under 🇦🇺
Yes, the Katie Vick angle was offensive, but what was really stupid about the whole thing was that Kane was supposed to be in hiding during his youth being a recluse, and now suddenly he has a girlfriend? Over on Smackdown Taker was being accused of having an affair with some woman. My biggest issue at this time was they were making the Brothers of Destruction look like Brandon and Dylan from 90210.
No, he killed her and his excuse was "it was my girlfriend, we had a car accident" but he didn't knew her
I just had the same thought
One of my favorite PPV's of all time. Up there with WM 17. The theme song, Always by Saliva, was a great song for this great show.
Bruce’s recanting of the story of filming the HHH corpse funeral scene segment is hilarious ... ‘...... I think we crossed the line..’ 😂😂
11:50 starting time.
ashutosh pax 1 hour and 51 minutes when they start talking about the legit ppv
Thank u so much babe
Bear 7453 but it was a good 1hr 51min to listen too well worth it
THE GOOD GUY I agree I watched the whole thing
Bless you you are doing great things in life my friend!
Hey this version 3 hours but on Spotify it says it's over 4 hours long? (not complaining) but is the Spotify one possibly an uncut version? If so awesome
This is one of THE best professional wrestling PPVs. EVER. It succeeded in every aspect you can think of. There’s not one match on the card that sucked.
01:19:50
I was thinking, "just another day at the office."
Bruce nailed it though, "we call that Wednesday."
I just love these shows
Yes they were nice while they lasted
Listen. HHH beat undertaker the week before in a no.1 contenders match to face Brock. But steph steals brock from raw to smackdown exclusively. So if there is no champion to face and a new title is created, it only makes sense to give it to the number 1 contender,who has already won a match.
Edit 3 years later: A match against the Undertaker no less, meaning that he was top of the pile when Brock and Taker went to smackdown.
AGREED
I've always had that opinion but any time i bring up the no1 contender's match they clam up and say "he just got it handed to him in the ring because uh uh .. he married steph"
Exactly that's what I've been saying he had a number one contender match with Undertaker on Raw and Stephanie took Brock Lesnar then on SmackDown Undertaker move there
“Win em in the ring lose em in the ring” Macho Man, not an Internet smark who is literally defending a piece of story telling DESIGNED to get the exact reaction it has gotten over the years.
I agree, it was also the best case scenario. Ostensibly you'd think he would have one final opponent but who would he face? They had to give it to him.
"Rumor and innuendo" is almost like Russo and "bro"
Troll God when he mentions rumor and innuendo what might that sound like ?
I said the same shit. How many damn times are we going to hear rumor and innuendo. It gets annoying fast
They use "rumour and innuendo" ironically, knowing that it's 1. semantically incorrect and 2. it's a catchphrase.
Russo uses "bro" for no other reason than being the natural way he speaks.
@@jaserogers997 most of conrad's input and expressed opinion is just him repeating what dave meltzer wrote as if its some kind of authority and not just 2nd and 3rd hand gossip and rumors. what makes you think bruce is using that phrase ironically?
Hahaha the Katie Vick spot was crazy never knew it was at a real funeral home crazy facts on survivor series especially Brock good stuff guys
SALOMON LEA lets watch it together babe
If you think Katie Vick is the worst angle of all time, you've never seen Claire Lynch...
IT'S YOUR BABY A.J.!!!
I am a big fan of the show. I really enjoy talking a walk down memory lane with each different show. I can't exactly put my finger on the reason why but this episode is comedic gold! It's not unusual for me to get a real good laugh pretty often during any given episode but this one here at several different points had me laughing so hard I was simultaneously crying and fighting to catch my breath. I would absolutly love to hear an episode that would be a telephone interview between Bruce and Vince (as voiced by Bruce) in a Phil Hendrie type of way. Thanks for the laughs boys!
You should do a show on how well Conrad can remember every detail of the last 40 years.
Conrad sounds like a concerned parent who just had his moral compass tuned through the whole Kane/HHH manakin discussion. It was weird, yea, but laugh man. I saw it when I was 12 and haven't thought about until hearing this segment. Bruce and him must be good friends off the air because Conrad tends to get passive aggressive, sassy, and judgmental pretty often about things. I'd get defensive at some of the stuff he says if the majority of my work was getting analyzed like this. (I'm referring to other podcasts than just this one.) Besides that it's a great show guys, keep it up!
Austin Harris so basically you’re a hypocrite. He should “laugh man” at shit he thinks is shitty but you “would get defensive at some of the stuff he says” how is that different exactly? Oh right cuz...you saw the segment when you were twelve and somehow that matters.
That Jim Ross bbq story is hilarious
Yeah Shane had no problem with the direction WWE was headed, that's why he left for 10 years and kept very little contact with his family, right?
According to Bruce, nobody understands wrestling expect for Vince, Stephanie, and Triple H (the same people who have brought it to an all time low, mind you).. I mean Cornette, Scott Steiner, RVD, Kurt Angle, the New Age Outlaws, Chris Jericho, DDP, Goldberg, The Undertaker, and even his buddy Kevin Nash have acknowledged that Triple H was blatantly using backstage politics and his relationship to the McMahon's to bury guys (specifically WCW guys), but yeah what do they know about wrestling? They were never in the business apparently.
Things went downhill quickly once HHH returned in 2002.
Very little contact with family ? You think that because he wasn’t on tv? You know he left because he wanted to try do his own thing . He’s still involved in companys that are not connected to his family.
Listen to the Shane podcast, he wanted to make more money then he was making working in the wwe warehouse so he started laying bricks.
I was there in Brazil when Patterson became intercontinental champ
Liar 🤥 mark
Prove it
Where’s the hero we need with the time stamps?!
This Survivor Series and the 02 SummerSlam are two of the best PPV's in history.
I love that Vince & his family are yea rich & very wealthy but their so damn blue collar still. Hard working very relatable ppl. At least seemingly.
Maybe 30 years ago
I’m a little confused. They keep saying that WWE is cutting back on their PPVs for cost cutting, but in 2002 they only aired 12 PPV. Not the 2/month that they suggest.
Also, when talking about HHH/Kane unifying the IC Title, Bruce states that SD has the US title and Raw losing the IC title didn’t make sense, but the US title never returned until July 2003.
The timeline seems off for the arguments trying to be made.
right
there were 14 ppvs in 2001, there were 15 in 2002 and then 13 in 2003....
Bruce probably got his 02 and 03 years mixed. When you write 20-odd years of PPVs, im sure a few things begin to run together in your memory.
Also Conrad said that starting February 1st it was announced they were doing away with brand specific ppv’s but those ppv’s didn’t start until June 2003 and they wouldn’t stop doing them until February 2007
Wow you guys are like geniuses.
Go to bed kid
I understand both sides but if you want to keep the rosters separate there should be 2 Championships.
Conrad YOU'RE WRONG. Steph said on stern that before she had any implants, she lost a lot of weight then gained some and that's when her breasts were like melted packets of butter. That's the reason she got them.
She's lying you mark
@@Dredsed What the hell do you mean lying. You can see it from watching the raw and smackdown in 2000, and then watching them from the summer of 2001 going. Don't just talk to talk. Do research first, fool
@@johnjandoh6732 Research that includes believing Stephanie's reasons just because she said so on Howard fucking Stern?!
Bahahahahahahaha.
Carry on MARK.
@@Dredsed Okay so what reason DO YOU THINK she got the implants for?
The story behind filming the Katie Vick thing is priceless.
Back in the day Rumor was HHH didn't want to work the angle with Scott
How is the hell does Vince go through with the Katie Vick storyline but will just drop stories just because hes bored of them?
My favorite chamber match and one of my favorite survivor series besides 2000.
HydroArctic I feel like survivor series from 00' 01' 02' were all great
I just saw this a few days ago. Regarding calling the Elimination Chamber "bulletproof", Jerry Lawler wasn't the first one to say it. It was Eric Bichoff who came out in the early hours of the PPV and calling it that, raising Lawler's curiosity on what that meant.
Survivor Series 2002 was a very interesting pay per view in a very interesting year. My opinion on the Katie Vick situation, 2002 was a year they did and Vince approved crazy shit. Robert Scott Vick who was Sick Boy in WCW, he signed his deal in 1999 and they let him go in 2002. While that storyline was crazy as f, there was no real conclusion cause imo, he was let you. I would have loved to been in the arena to hear that Chris Jericho performance and how the hell they got it where you could hear it in the arena but the band was at The World.
So Katie Vick is Vinces fault
It wasn't Jerry Lawler who originally said it was bullet proof Eric Bischoff said it when he was explaining the chamber Jerry just went off that.
What you know about N.O.R.E Conrad lol? 😂✊🏼
Well you know...
What’s the name of the song that starts at 3:10:57?
Aw Naw by Nappy Roots
Bruce said it was the king that said the bullet proof line first...nope, just watch it, it was EB during his description of the pods... he said the line bullet proof plexiglass...
Ray Soyars you sure showed him.
WWE absolutely buried Booker T. There is no way in hell the WWE did anything good for Booker. WCW - Harlem Heat and even his solo efforts were fantastic. Comes over to WWE ... King Booker - Jobber for hire, it's like the WWE wanted to embarrass the now defunct WCW, but none of the WCW talent was around so they took the guy who just won the WCW Championship and make a fool out of him.
You're a stupid idiot if you believe that
I think the F-view thing was just a play to sound like F - U as in 'fuck you'
Hhh not many acknowledge it but wat tougher than people give credit for
Guys like Conrad can't acknowledge that because he's just like all of the other dorks that take Meltzer and Keller's opinions as gospel. His head would explode if he had to lay praise at Triple H's feet.
Who is Meltzer?
@@ImlANDYlmI Some bitch.
I'm sorry Guerrero or not , I don't see Chavo as World Champion
Nobody does bro.
I'm legit listening to this on November 17th 2019 lmao 12:18
I was too
Greetings from 2024
I loved the big gold belt.
Thank God the 2 ring deal never went through
1:37:19 start time
Was Eric that uses the term bullet proof plexiglass not Lawler for anyone re watching
For anyone who ever wonders why RVD wasn't a bigger deal....watch him nearly kill the son in law during the chamber match when RVD frog splashed Hunter's throat.
In interviews hunter has defended rvd with dealing with that .
Has more todo with him getting busted with drugs right after winning the title.
Vince: “God damnit gimme that baby Pal! Look at those chubby CHEEEEEEKSS!”
I always imagine these statements with Bruce’s Vince voice and its absolutely hilarious to me. The only thing better is the Cornette impressions
Is it bad im all alone at 2:48am and im blushing on how bad the Katie Vick angle really was. I still think David Arqutte as champ was still worse.
Matthew Smith not hardly
there is a Mick Foley Shane Mcmahon interview that kinda hints at shane not liking Triple H.
I dont blame him, seems like Shane got replaced in that situation.
Respect to Trish and Victoria I digged the match ☮️
I'm embarrassed to say that I found the Katie Vick segment funny. I know that it was tasteless, silly, and over the line, but I have to keep it 100%. I laughed my ass off when Triple H said, "I actually did it. I screwed your brains out!"
I kbow me too I was 10 when that happen people don't think that was funny then they don't have a sense of humor the E in WWE Is entertainment
What song is tht at the end? I remember this beat but not the song damn
Billy Kidman
No mention of Jeff Hardy botching and Rico getting mad?
It was edited off the Network version.
"COME ON JEFF, GODDAMIT!"
@ShaiyaStudios I've been watching wrestling since 1989 so there's a whole bunch of wrestlers I've had the pleasure of seeing debut, grow, and end their careers. I feel like I've said "C'mon Jeff, goddammit" at least 10 times. Dude is so talented but damn is he good at messing up.
That's not what the vomitorium actually was. That is a misconception.
well you know
Loved Conrad’s advertisement for the Torch.. that he “wasn’t “ getting paid for lol smh… what is the reasoning with denying it’s an advertisement?
I'd like to point that out folks it was not a real corpse it was a mannequin 😂😂😂
Just finished this episode and got to hear Conrad making his annoying kissing noises meanwhile Bruce wouldn’t attack Conrad on who Conrad won’t talk bad about. Conrad says “we all have different allegiances and mine might be a bit different than yours” smh. Bruce might have some sort of biased or slight allegiance to Triple H sometimes, whereas Conrad DEFINITELY ALWAYS has allegiances towards Dave Meltzer and his gossip column, along with other dirt sheet writers. Not surprising that he always defends other wrestling nerds who all have a couple things in common with him. They’re fanboys who’ve never been in the business, yet act/claim they know what’s “really going on” because they read some stuff or talked to people who claim to know or know someone who does 😂. Sucks that the worst part of Conrad podcasts are so often Conrad himself. So often killing the vibe by acting like a prosecuting attorney working off “facts” he got from gossip columnists that just like himself…weren’t there for ANY of the stuff they talk about.
RAW was never aimed at children.. Their core audience was 18-35 and to this day children are their smallest audience. Just because there's been some hokey shit ruining the show for the last 12 years doesn't make it a kids show.. Anyone who wants to argue this can go look at the official audience chart released by WWE. Children are their smallest audience, catering to them is why their audience has shrunk as a whole.
The reason why WWE and many companies aim their product at children, despite the audience being different, is because children are more likely to want the shirts, the toys, the DVDs, the video games. They will beg their parents to go to the shows, to buy them the merchandise. They will beg for things at for their birthday, for Christmas. If they can get a kid to beg his family to go, they're more than likely selling at least 2-3 tickets for the kid and his parent(s). Possibly more if there's more than one child.
Kids and their parents are your money makers. Adults are more conscious about the things they buy because they have a different concept of money than kids do. Adults will maybe buy a shirt here and there, maybe a DVD, maybe a Network sub. Unless you're part of the tiny, niche group that collects merch from that brand (WWE in this case), you're probably not gonna be buying all the DVDs, the toys, the plastic belts, the ring playsets, the Halloween masks, etc.
Brightside: Not when the product is driving off your audience. The late 90's and early 2000's wasn't aimed at children and it blew today's product away in terms of profitability (that's why they brag about revenue and not profit).. Massacring your core audience to sell more toys is a borderline retarded business move. It makes no sense if they planed on surviving long term. Which most people were saying 10 years ago, and they are now feeling the effects of... If you have an audience of 7 million (2002) and 40% of your audience is buying merch, then you drive your audience down to 3 million people (today's audience) and sell to literally 100% of the audience (just to humor this argument), you are still selling less merchandise. It doesn't matter WHO is buying the merch. It matters HOW MANY are buying your merch... I hate to burst people's bubbles, but there were far more toys and t-shirts being sold in the Stone Cold days than there were in the John Cena days. The percentage of fans buying merch and the revenue is completely irrelevant when the audience is a fraction of the size and they aren't actually making much profit... The WWE likes to play spin doctor with the numbers, but anyone with the slightest grasp of how business works would avoid buying WWE stock like the plague. Don't let those HD lights fool you, the WWE is not doing well in terms of profit. Anyone who thinks that driving away 7 million viewers since 1999 was some how a smart business move, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. That's not how television works. Unless WWE pulls their shit together, Fox is really going to regret offering a billion dollars for a television show that only pulls 2.7 million viewers. I expect Smackdown to soar past RAW in the near future. That's their best shot at making money. Not this garbage dying product that's currently draining veiwership. There's no money in losing fans. I don't care how many toys the kids are buying. 7 million people buying $60 PPV's every month back in the day made them far more money than John Cena or Roman Reigns toys. Trust me.
Katie Vick was the blackest moment in wrestling history lol David Arquette becoming world champ has nothing on that
David Arquette was way worse, at least Katie Vick wasn't world champion.
No Arquette at least LOVED the business and tried his best. Was it stupid? Yes, but not as bad a this. Jesus Vince russo winning the belt was worse than arquette...
Blackest moment was the Benoit murders. But yea, this in terms of on-screen was way worse than Arquette.
2:34:20! Conrad getting pissy!
Vince was pleasing the billionaires that own wall street with this sick shit
1:51:12 Card Breakdown
Good show guys!!
F view...Bischoff ordered it as GM, specifically to strike up controversy and offer the audience a peek at intimate backstage moments.
Storyline nic
Why the F did Katy Vick take up 30 minutes of this
Elephant in the room..
Bruce is to triple h just like you are to ric flair Connie
Anyone hear the rumor that the original plan was to make the IC belt the top belt on RAW and Paul went nuts
Sounds about right
Bruce is right. Triple H's facial hair was always terrible, possibly the worst in wrestling history
36:30 ...we could tell 😂
I’m almost an hour into this video and still have yet to hear a single mention of anything relating to survivor series 02.....for Fuck sake
22:50 Dave Dave Dave Dave
Connie is a big baby. Like baby huey he gets mad quick if Bruce gives quick short answers he gets pissed if Bruce gives a long answer he still gets pissed.
So Vince was okay with Triple H's character being a necrophiliac? That was just eventually going to be dropped from his character?
The Katie Vick story line was voted the WORST story line in Wrestling History
There have been much worse.
HydroArctic go on then !!
DM87™️ they didn’t need a poll to figure that out
This is something that Eric Bischoff has brought up and I’ve wondered about and pointed out as well. EVERYONE knows wrestling isn’t real, the men and women in it are not real fighters actually competing for anything. They are essentially actors and actresses doing athletic combat theater, it’s like a soap opera with fighting. So with that being said, why is it totally fine for a show like the Sopranos, The Shield, Sons of Anarchy, and every other show to have racist, sexist, homophobic, and/over the top evil characters but wrestling promotions like the WWE or WCW get called out and publicly destroyed every time they are deemed to be too “offensive” to any group? It’s hypocritical and a huge double standard. Wrestling isn’t real, it’s entertainment and therefore should be allowed to have wrestlers or tv personalities who are racist, or homophobic, or anything else that’s not ok to be. If anything, it would give them the same opportunity stuff like that gives every other show or movie….to mirror the real world we live in and give them the ability to have more drama based on reality. Just like other shows or movies they could teach lessons and show character development through their stories by having people overcome the bad stuff or having others change to become better humans. That’s what happens in real life, so why not be allowed to portray that?
Nobody agreed with you 💀
Top three worst scripted moments I can recall in the 16 years I've watched pro wrestling would be:
3: TNA reverse battle royal
2: HHH/Vick segment ties with Russo winning the WCW World Title
1: A PWG 5 on 5 tag team match featuring the likes of Jushin Liger, Tommaso Ciampa, Chuck Taylor, Sami Solomon Crow, Pete Dunn (notably) in a gimmick where Tommaso was shoving his thumb up people's butts. Jushin had cheeks of steel and captured Ciampa's thumb with his buttcheeks and one by one; 1 guy from each team would shove their thumb up another guy's butt followed by another. More rediculousness ensued and it's on youtube if you ever wanna prove to somebody that wrestling is staged
Jesus Christ, Conrad comes across as a right stick in the mud in this episode. Not on form at all.
When was WWE doing 2 PPV's a month in 2002? They didn't even go to Brand exclusive PPVs until 2003, with the exception of the UK PPVs
Calm down kid
@@mjj6682 kid? I've got socks older than you butt-inski. I wasn't even yelling just stating a point.
@@strathroyaaron buttinski? That's really mature kid
@@mjj6682 butting in on other people's conversations... oh yeah that's mature... butt out Master jackoff jackass
Exactly what I was thinking. I thought they were talking about after the 2016 draft.
the Katie Vick thing was easy to get triple h was trying make it look like Kane has sex with dead people it was funny but wasnt as bad as you made it out to be it was ridiclious and i thought it was done to be obivious that it wast Kane but Triple h dressed up it was just a storyline people get offended over stupid crap
Chat me up...
Bruce Pritcher mentiions in a few podcasts how vince didnt push RVD because he didnt want to play any characters other than RVD. when i think about that, im like good or else they will saddle you with a dumb gimmick. have you noticed that the good company boys who just do what they are told always get teh dumb gimmicks or just job or generally have no direction. get dumb gimmicks or just job to the stars? the Big Show comes to mind when i think of this
2:09:05 LOL
1.55.00
I guess Conrad believes "well if I say I'm not trying to sell you something, even though it's obvious that I am, that means I'm not". Kinda like someone caught red-handed cheating on their spouse trying to say it wasn't them they saw in bed.
nonamerequired123 OR. Or. or. He's a fuckin' businessman.
It's 50 cents...
Take a shot every time someone mentions
rUmOr aNd InNuEnDo
alex herrera take a shot if you see this stupid joke in the comments of every single episode...
evilSWA - beyond pandora films haha good one mate, cheers