to fix the scute swarm breaking of the game when that card came out, they patched it and the limit on tokens is 250, can never have more. if you got 246 doubling seasons and a couple caretakers, you're at max.
This limit has been in the game for a long time. My goblins deck cant make more than 250 tokens (and slows down the game a fricktonne) and has not been able to for like 2 years?
I encountered this deck yesterday and was able to beat it with my Blue Omniscience deck....that felt good. This deck was definitely tough to beat! Great stuff Swayze!!!
extravagant replication + doubling season + mirror room/fractured realm. All triggers are doubled. Replication and doubling season are triggers so they each go off more times. Also, the room can be copied by the replication. Could even run house keys to open the rooms and dupe those too. I've also found that you can dupe nowhere to run and dupe it's enter effect with mirror for basically infinite control once you have enough replications. Break it even more.
For future reference, the token limit is around 250 (might be 256, but if you would make multiple with 1 trigger that would put you over the limit, it just doesn't do it). A ton of tokens won't break Arena by itself, it's actually the Triggers on the stack that force a draw. That's why Felidar's with Overlord works, because making 200 land tokens triggers the landfall 200 times.
When you hit the token cap, the game will stop making them, so the trick is to stay just under and then put a giant token generation on the stack. Hilarious deck, love the content.
I had the funniest interaction with the blue enchantment that copies permanents and Mirror room/Reflection Pool. If you have the mana which you have plenty of it becomes near infinate with almost any effect. I saw it go bonkers with the offspring ability earlier.
Love this deck swayze one of my favorites from you I usually don’t craft decks from streamers but I think I’m gonna have to try this out man thx for the awesome deck
HAHA!!! This is awesome. I've been dicking around with this type of deck with Oko, the Ringleader which is basically a Doppelgang on a stick after you stick a Doubling Season.
Nice. We're on the same wavelength because I'm working on a tokens deck with Felidar Retreat as well. Battle of the tokens on the next Swayze vs Mob live stream ;)
@@markdd4281 It's still a 1/1 when it comes into play. That means every removal can take it down. And I tried it in a deck that also played Awaken the Woods...
I would like to know how many lands do you guys have in your deck (Also include deck size) Because I have a deck thats close to 50% lands and the last 4 games I didnt get more then 2 lands for the first 8-9 rounds
My math might be a little off because the number is so big but it looks like 247 doubling seasons means you were asking for 22,615,642 vigintillion (so like another 63 zeroes or something) tokens. Wild.
Google big number calculator. It doubles for each previous doubling season, so 2^246, which is 113,078,212,145,816,597,093,331,040,047,546,785,012,958,969,400,039,613,319,782,796,882,727,665,664 copies of anything lol Doubling season has been, and always will be, one of my favorites 😂😂😂
When scute swarm was in standard i played it just trying to crash the match. I still try with iridescent hornbeetle sometimes It's not the doubling seasons specifically. They limited the game to 250 tokens because scute kept breaking the game
The only time ive topped that 64x192 damage was when i used bill to get a board of creatures up to over 100000 damage each lol. Just barely kept up with the boros tokens and doubled every turn till i out numbered his creatures
I've been trying to make Extravagent Replication work but it's 6 MANA ffs. 1st card I dropped a wildcard on release day. Defo a win more card, but so fun when it pops
@@chriswampler1 It's still a 6 mana card that does nothing when it comes into play. That makes me wonder how many games Swayze did not include to make this video.
i'm genuinely impressed that swayze has a "what if i made 50 overlords would that be sick or what" approach to deckbuilding and it still took him till today to find out about the 250 token limit
Well if Mono Black was not so insanely dominant in various combinations, and if I did not get matched against Mono Black 90% of the time!!!...this would be fun to play in Standard. I have had Doubling Season NOT trigger with less than 6 tokens on the board but other times it has so not sure what is up there.
I think you could use hydra that cost xG when it die creat treasure . Because this deck can make many token land . Or new dragon that can pay X add+X/0 [chiva dragon]
@@panuwatbuthorntaraj2909 Shivan Dragon is still useless in improving this deck. Especially when you try to think "INSTEAD OF WHAT?". Deck already has too many high casting cost cards, adding more is just a bad idea.
2 to the power of 247 is like 30 orders orders of magnitude more than the number of atoms in the entire universe. so yeah wizards of the coast would have to absorb a significant portion of the multiverse to give you all those tokens. countless civilizations would cease to exist, so I'm glad the chose peace, even if it was at the expense of your game
This happened to me the other day in Alchemy. I thought it was really stupid cause it ended in a draw. Meaning the match was a complete waste of my and the other persons time.
I’ve been playing selesnya tokens since foundations dropped. deck is insanely good and consistent, goes both wide and tall. Basically this without the blue splash. Sad it might go mainstream now hahah Good stuff bro
250 is the limit of tokens you can control, so it won't copy anything after you've already hit that limit. Also 200 Doubling Season's wouldn't make 200 tokens, it would make 2^200, which is way more than the number of stars in the universe... :)
Are you talking about when he was trying to figure out what would create tokens? Because otherwise you just have a bad attitude for competitive things in general. I don't know how many times now I've won a game of magic by just holding on and scraping by.
@@haha-ps2pzdid you even watch the entire video or are you just replying just to reply? He clearly entertains breaking the game before that instance. So let me get this straight, I have the bad attitude for competitive games, but you’re defending players IRL that know they’re getting dominated G1, will intentionally milk the time till they lose G1, milk the clock to hopefully edge out G2, just so they can milk the clock in G3, and hope time runs out for a draw? Ye sure, I have to he bad attitude for competitive games. 😂
to fix the scute swarm breaking of the game when that card came out, they patched it and the limit on tokens is 250, can never have more. if you got 246 doubling seasons and a couple caretakers, you're at max.
I think i've got more than that number of stormsplitter tokens before.
@pmangano not since that patch you haven't. The limit was published in the patch notes, you can look it up.
This limit has been in the game for a long time. My goblins deck cant make more than 250 tokens (and slows down the game a fricktonne) and has not been able to for like 2 years?
I encountered this deck yesterday and was able to beat it with my Blue Omniscience deck....that felt good. This deck was definitely tough to beat! Great stuff Swayze!!!
extravagant replication + doubling season + mirror room/fractured realm. All triggers are doubled. Replication and doubling season are triggers so they each go off more times. Also, the room can be copied by the replication. Could even run house keys to open the rooms and dupe those too. I've also found that you can dupe nowhere to run and dupe it's enter effect with mirror for basically infinite control once you have enough replications. Break it even more.
Doubling season isn't a trigger, it is a replacement
@@KBgamer2010 Huh, thanks for letting me know.
For future reference, the token limit is around 250 (might be 256, but if you would make multiple with 1 trigger that would put you over the limit, it just doesn't do it). A ton of tokens won't break Arena by itself, it's actually the Triggers on the stack that force a draw. That's why Felidar's with Overlord works, because making 200 land tokens triggers the landfall 200 times.
Yea once you reach 256 any new token just won't appear.
Thanks for coming up with another fun, over the top deck Swayze
When you hit the token cap, the game will stop making them, so the trick is to stay just under and then put a giant token generation on the stack. Hilarious deck, love the content.
Ha!!!! Thats fantastic. I have the stormsplitter deck that I keep breaking the game with it's awesome. You're the man Swayze
I had the funniest interaction with the blue enchantment that copies permanents and Mirror room/Reflection Pool. If you have the mana which you have plenty of it becomes near infinate with almost any effect. I saw it go bonkers with the offspring ability earlier.
Ahhh so you were the one 😂 faced someone playing this today and gave them a nice when they dropped the copy enchantment. Awesome deck!
Love this deck swayze one of my favorites from you I usually don’t craft decks from streamers but I think I’m gonna have to try this out man thx for the awesome deck
HAHA!!! This is awesome. I've been dicking around with this type of deck with Oko, the Ringleader which is basically a Doppelgang on a stick after you stick a Doubling Season.
ROFFL that was great shenanigans for sure
Nice. We're on the same wavelength because I'm working on a tokens deck with Felidar Retreat as well. Battle of the tokens on the next Swayze vs Mob live stream ;)
Nice video. Can you tell me why you didn't put the hydra that dble it's tokken for each new land ?
Thata sick idea I'm a try that 😂😂
I tried it. Problem is that it's a 1/1 for 3 mana, and it needs 2 land drops after that to be halfway decent.
@LaurentCassaro yeah but he's making like a zillion ĺands lol
@@markdd4281 It's still a 1/1 when it comes into play. That means every removal can take it down.
And I tried it in a deck that also played Awaken the Woods...
@@LaurentCassaro I think it has to be played mid or late game to avoid some removal
Wow. That was a fun deck
I would like to know how many lands do you guys have in your deck (Also include deck size) Because I have a deck thats close to 50% lands and the last 4 games I didnt get more then 2 lands for the first 8-9 rounds
Good thing there is 250 token limit. 2^248 tokens produced sounds crazy.
My math might be a little off because the number is so big but it looks like 247 doubling seasons means you were asking for 22,615,642 vigintillion (so like another 63 zeroes or something) tokens. Wild.
Google big number calculator. It doubles for each previous doubling season, so 2^246, which is
113,078,212,145,816,597,093,331,040,047,546,785,012,958,969,400,039,613,319,782,796,882,727,665,664 copies of anything lol
Doubling season has been, and always will be, one of my favorites 😂😂😂
@@murric98 double that, 246 tokens and 1 permanent
@JoshWashout I was thinking the main DS would make the 2 for the exponential reasons, but you're right ❤️ so even more
When scute swarm was in standard i played it just trying to crash the match. I still try with iridescent hornbeetle sometimes
It's not the doubling seasons specifically. They limited the game to 250 tokens because scute kept breaking the game
Totally Balanced and broken....Nice
The only time ive topped that 64x192 damage was when i used bill to get a board of creatures up to over 100000 damage each lol. Just barely kept up with the boros tokens and doubled every turn till i out numbered his creatures
I've been trying to make Extravagent Replication work but it's 6 MANA ffs. 1st card I dropped a wildcard on release day. Defo a win more card, but so fun when it pops
You can land it pretty quickly. I have a couple of decks that use it. One uses manifest and flicker effects.
@@chriswampler1 It's still a 6 mana card that does nothing when it comes into play.
That makes me wonder how many games Swayze did not include to make this video.
I was right to be concerned when Extravagant Replication was printed into standard and added to arena...THAT CARD BREAKS ARENA EASILY
I'll have to watch again. I keep getting aggroed over before i can ramp up and get going
token limit is 250 unfortunatly but lot of craziness happening
Nice deck.
i think tokens number is limited after scute swarm breaks MTGA.
i'm genuinely impressed that swayze has a "what if i made 50 overlords would that be sick or what" approach to deckbuilding and it still took him till today to find out about the 250 token limit
Well if Mono Black was not so insanely dominant in various combinations, and if I did not get matched against Mono Black 90% of the time!!!...this would be fun to play in Standard.
I have had Doubling Season NOT trigger with less than 6 tokens on the board but other times it has so not sure what is up there.
You got to the token limit.
Bugged. Love it.
I think you could use hydra that cost xG when it die creat treasure . Because this deck can make many token land . Or new dragon that can pay X add+X/0 [chiva dragon]
The hydra, yes. Shivan Dragon is adding a 4th color for no reason.
@LaurentCassaro land anywhere from overlord can spend Red so don't add Red land.
@@panuwatbuthorntaraj2909 Shivan Dragon is still useless in improving this deck.
Especially when you try to think "INSTEAD OF WHAT?".
Deck already has too many high casting cost cards, adding more is just a bad idea.
Thats ridiculous
2 to the power of 247 is like 30 orders orders of magnitude more than the number of atoms in the entire universe. so yeah wizards of the coast would have to absorb a significant portion of the multiverse to give you all those tokens. countless civilizations would cease to exist, so I'm glad the chose peace, even if it was at the expense of your game
I understand that, but wizards can’t even handle 250 tokens? I feel like 1000 shouldn’t be an issue at all.
This happened to me the other day in Alchemy. I thought it was really stupid cause it ended in a draw. Meaning the match was a complete waste of my and the other persons time.
I’ve been playing selesnya tokens since foundations dropped. deck is insanely good and consistent, goes both wide and tall.
Basically this without the blue splash. Sad it might go mainstream now hahah
Good stuff bro
Dang!
I refuse to sit through a game where all they do is counterspell and board wipe..you're way more patient than me I'd a scooped wayyyyy earleir..
"The clip you saw at the beginning of this video is from before I started recording." wut
5 color omniscience otk on turn 3 is better and more fun (for you)
Dude lately it seems like no matter what or who I'm playing they always have the exact answer to what ever I play smfh it kills me
Literally built like 4 or 5 felidar retreat decks when it dropped.....lol, but really like this take
250 is the limit of tokens you can control, so it won't copy anything after you've already hit that limit. Also 200 Doubling Season's wouldn't make 200 tokens, it would make 2^200, which is way more than the number of stars in the universe... :)
You're wild for this lmao
I am now mythic 90 with my janky golgari
Deck
5 Forest (LTR) 270
2 Cenote Scout (LCI) 178
5 Swamp (OTJ) 282
2 Liliana of the Veil (DMU) 97
3 Vraska, Betrayal's Sting (ONE) 115
3 Phyrexian Fleshgorger (BRO) 121
4 Innkeeper's Talent (BLB) 180
2 Tear Asunder (DMU) 183
1 Sheoldred, the Apocalypse (DMU) 107
3 Llanowar Wastes (BRO) 264
2 Restless Cottage (WOE) 258
4 Underground Mortuary (MKM) 271
3 The Cruelty of Gix (DMU) 87
4 Deep-Cavern Bat (LCI) 102
1 Smuggler's Surprise (OTJ) 180
1 Gix's Command (BRO) 97
1 Jadelight Spelunker (LCI) 196
1 Tender Wildguide (BLB) 196
1 Evolved Sleeper (DMU) 93
1 Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor (BRO) 95
1 Deadly Cover-Up (MKM) 83
1 Spinewoods Armadillo (OTJ) 182
1 Analyze the Pollen (MKM) 150
1 Cathartic Parting (DSK) 171
1 Cut Down (DMU) 89
1 The Mycosynth Gardens (ONE) 256
1 Glissa Sunslayer (ONE) 202
1 Shoot the Sheriff (OTJ) 106
1 Urborg Repossession (DMU) 114
2 Bushwhack (FDN) 215
12:52 Valgavoth looks stpid lol
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hi, where is the last game where i totally destroyed you? 😊.
Arena once again showing how poorly it's made.
How old is this game?
How much money does it make?
Yeah no way to possibly make it work correctly.
with 247 doubling season any token created will 2 to the 247 tokens. The game just give up.
247 Doubling Season means nothing else is generated. X/
@@chriswampler1 yep. Break the integer limit
You should know by now you face three opponents. The person playing the cards, the auto-shuffler and the auto-tapper.
Yeeeeeah. Bs like this is why we need "farewell" type cards.
Doppelgang???
sllllloooooooowwwwwww..... too slow. The format doesn't really support decks this slow winning, unfortunately.
Cool deck, but never realized that Swayze is that person you play IRL at the tourney that milks the time when they’re losing…
Are you talking about the last game? The other player was the one holding priority repeatedly.
@@OchsSlayerwhat’s your point? Did he or did he not attempt to break the game to get a draw when he was losing?
Are you talking about when he was trying to figure out what would create tokens? Because otherwise you just have a bad attitude for competitive things in general. I don't know how many times now I've won a game of magic by just holding on and scraping by.
@@haha-ps2pzdid you even watch the entire video or are you just replying just to reply? He clearly entertains breaking the game before that instance. So let me get this straight, I have the bad attitude for competitive games, but you’re defending players IRL that know they’re getting dominated G1, will intentionally milk the time till they lose G1, milk the clock to hopefully edge out G2, just so they can milk the clock in G3, and hope time runs out for a draw? Ye sure, I have to he bad attitude for competitive games. 😂
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Match up with me and see how broken it is. And pls stop rage quitting and roping me you losers with copycat decks 😢
Who are you, dork?
@ call me names little boy. But stop rage quitting and roping me when I destroy the deck you copied and bought with mommies money
Btw, i can show you the true meaning of mad decent boy
@@Maddecent30 a former MMA fighter who is now playing MTGA and tries to apply the same behaviour
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Sunfall is the gayest card ever printed.