CAPCOM Isn't doing shitty my bad gamers. 🙇♀️ I hope you understand on a 2hr podcast that I will say some shit that's wrong due to misremembering or just forgetting large details. Because it's definitely going to happen again. 👍
Guys, you have such a large Russian community that there is a channel that completely translates your podcasts. Ps They (ДжоШизо) also translate Gigguk
Myliene: maybe people who likes anime but has no friends discovered you guys who also like anime and you are also cool the cool guys be like: -An ex-monk -The former angry high school anime protagonist -Joey
Me: "Oh she's gonna teach us how to get a job in the anime industry in japan." Requirements: "Have a social life." _Mission Failed we'll get em next time_
Being an Otaku in India sucks, coz there's literally not a single source where you can actually even think of watching anime legally. If you're an Indian and you watch anime, then there's no way you're not pirating (excluding Netflix as its very much in the early stages in India and wasn't available like 5 years back.) Even then, compared to a steaming site what you'll find on Netflix is no where near to the library that you'll find on literally any illegal site.. I'm pretty sure that the only one instance where I as an Otaku actually legally watched an anime was a "Weathering with you" as it was the first ever anime movie to be released in theatres in India.. that was a special experience for sure.
Yeah 100% agree. For manga readers, there's the viz subscription, but its library is also really limited. We desperately need a good anime -stealing- streaming (😅) service here (and hopefully a manga reading subscription)
@@daidaithirteen2912 I doubt its very big. People don't really know anime outside of DBZ, Pokemon and Shin-Chan. But yeah, it actually sucks that without Kissanime and other similar things, there isn't any good method to watch anime
I think the main reasons why anime piracy is so high is that it is really easy to find, use and spread. You have every anime under the sun on these websites while the legal ones all compete to get the biggest shows exclusively on their site. Also it is the way most people try anime for the first time in general and there is no reason to switch websites. Why should you change to other sites if the one you are using is free, has every anime in one place and you are already used to it. This means that the piracy problem still is a service problem because no website other than the pirating sites will ever have all anime. Exclusivity is a convinience killer.
Yeah, pretty much. If you add to the mix that streaming sites still have different licences for different countries, this makes It even less interesting. I have Netflix and so of course at times I use my VPN to see things that Netflix UK has and my Netflix Italia doesn't, it's natural. But why should I go out of my way to get a subscribition to Crunchyroll if the Italian catalogue sucks hard? If the anime I want to see is taken by VVVVID (italian legal streaming site) of course I use that, why should I pirate it? Piracy is always a service issue, if you don't count those who would only consume your product if they can pirate it
Yeah, I hard disagreed with Connor's "you just haven't searched hard enough for a legal way". Funimation just says no when I open it in my country, Netflix has like a quarter of the US catalogue while torrenting on good sites is easy af.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 that's because they don't really have an experience from a country that actually gets screwed over by licencing. Outside of US and UK, it sucks trying to watch most shows legal. Same with manga. I don't think I should be using a VPN to access something the licensors don't want in my country. If I am not a customer in their eyes, why should I care?
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 Yeah, plus fuck needing multiple subscriptions to streaming services to enjoy a couple of shows. New Bleach season will be on Disney+, other shows are on Netflix, Funimation, Crunchyroll. How much money do they think we are making?
Even if exclusivity goes away, pirate sites will still have a better anime selection, and as you say, "Why should you change to other sites if the one you are using is free, has every anime in one place and you are already used to it?" Also, have you ever heard anyone say, "Oh, my favorite pirate site didn't have the anime I'm looking for, I guess I won't watch it because navigating to other websites is too inconvenient"? No, I don't think anyone has, because the difference is the money -- a pricing problem. And maybe piracy isn't as widespread with other media (e.g. Hollywood movies and mainstream TV/streaming series) because the companies behind them have more resources to get the illegal options taken down, thus making piracy more inconvenient and risky than the legal methods.
I actually think that the Anime Industry has one of the BIGGEST "service" arguments for the pirating. Some shows you LITERALLY cannot watch without pirating, period. They aren't available on any streaming platform and the DVDs/ Blu Rays are either borderline impossible to acquire or prohibitively expensive. Obviously this doesn't apply to new/ seasonal stuff, but there are countless old gems that are being lost to time because of this and piracy is the only thing keeping them alive in the collective unconscious.
The service problem quote applies to anime imo, if the service is bad on legal sites in terms of availability, features, quality, and convenience, then I'll pirate. Some piracy sites offer downloads, have good quality, are easy to use, and actually have things i won't find in my country legally. I torrent mine, getting insane quality, it's the fastest, no buffering, and also just easy. If there was a steam for anime with proper availability, piracy would go down
Honestly Meilyn, I can't express how grateful I am for you being the one who gave these wonderful People an opportunity to grow even more. Getting these bois together , leading into the the formation of this podcast which has been without a doubt one of the absolute highlights of this year. The amount of times I've laughed so much with them to the point where my soul leaves my body is immeasurable. This podcast has been such a blessing , cheering me up after a bad week,that feeling of like I'm just watching these group of fascinating, charismatic individuals just talk about their lives and being themselves, gets me through the darkest hours of my current situation, as cheesy and basic as I know that sounds. This was all possible because of you, From the bottom of my heart, and everything within it. Thank you so much.
Just imagining that she was the person that had the idea to promote bookwalker with UA-camers. Without those sponsorships I would never have known about the side where I buy basically all of my light novels. And I can imagine that that's the same with many other people as well. This simple idea probably made a ton of money and gave me another form of media to enjoy.
I need to pirate anime, and there're 3 reasons for that: 1. there's no crunchyroll in my country 2. there's no funimation in my country 3. there's no anime in tv in mu country
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable." - Gabe Newell
@@uwc. Did you read any of the other comments? Until legal streaming and licencing is available in more regions pirating is absolutely a service problem. As in Crunchyroll doesn't bother to service many nations. Legal anime is a lot harder to access globally than legal video games.
you know, instead of bitching your reasons in the internet, try finding ways to purchase it legally. People reasoning like that are just allergic to hard work.
@@jeiaori yeah let me just buy a blue ray for 200euro kek, if the only legal way for me to watch the anime is with the VPN on some shitty service with cancer ui I'd rather pirate in pristine quality and amazing ui
Gonna make the time stamps for this episode 0:08 Intro (Garnt Host) 0:19 New guest(Meilyne) 0:58 Meilyne’s job,why she’s on the podcast -Pirate Anime sites- 1:50 Topic of Kissanime 2:22 What is a Kissanime? 3:40 There are other sites than just Kissanime 6:23 Does Piracy affect the Anime industry? 13:38 Do we still need piracy? 19:11 Paying for anime vs pirating anime 23:12 Arguments regarding piracy 28:31 Best ways to support the creators -Japan’s cultural differences- 34:23 Donating to creators 35:48 Japan’s marketing,CRTTV’s and second hand items 39:23 How to improve the anime industry 42:19 Pitching to the Japanese 46:48 Reaching out to Anitubers 52:04-54:46 Sponsors(ejanime) -Craigslist- 54:55 Meilyne finding a job on Craiglist 56:33 Connor’s cockroach infested fridge 57:18 Continuation of 54:55 59:20 Craigslist got some sketchy ads -Question with Meilyne- 1:02:53 Meilyne working in the US 1:04:03 Advice for weebs wanting to work in the Anime industry 1:11:42 Formation of Geeks-plus 1:14:31 The 93% in a Japanese office 1:17:57 Meilyne idea gets approved 1:18:39 Opening party of Geeks-plus 1:23:21 People they’ve met in the party -The Crunchyroll Anime Awards experience- 1:26:07 Connor at the anime awards 1:28:55 Connor’s “Best Girl” 1:31:27 Meeting Prozd 1:32:21 Garnt at the anime awards 1:34:22 Connor is given a bottle of sake -More QNA with Meilyne- 1:35:20 Meilyne’s backstory 1:38:23 What to look out for to join the anime industry 1:45:00 Meilyne’s experience in the anime industry 1:48:50 Workers at Japanese conventions 1:51:15 What do Japanese convention workers think of foreign culture 1:56:16 How conventions pick guest 2:00:09 Final thoughts about pirates -Outro- 2:03:51 Patreons,Subreddit,Twitter 2:04:11 Final words 2:06:02 End Thank you for your patience
Coming into this episode I thought that because they are with Bookwalker they were gonna be like "Piracy is bad, I have never pirated anything in my life" I'm glad I was wrong.
I think many people forget that problem also lies in language barriers. I don't have the problem with understanding English - I only watch english subbed anime anyway. But many people want to watch series in their own language, and besides Netflix there's almost NONE other streaming website that has that possibility. So even if Crunchyroll or Funimation would be more available in more countries, there's that language barrier that many people would be unwilling to use them.
I literally learned english by reading manga and watching anime illegally. I'm french, and we have a LOT of translated series and pretty decent localisation overall, but manga are always about 10 volumes late compared to the english release. And anime translation was of varied quality and often coming out late. And when I started watching anime online, there was NO french-translated anime from any legit platforms. Crunchyroll didn't exist. Netflix didn't. I had to watch on crappy websites like Rutube or obscure and illegal streaming sites. And France is the third country that consume the most manga/anime in the world. Behind Japan and US. I can't even imagine how terrible it would be for other language to find series in their own language that isn't fantranslated.
@@dayko. Funny, for me it's the other way round. My native lang. is German but I prefer English cuz. German translation just feels weird for me I dunno.
When it comes to anime, I usually prefer to watch the Japanese version with English subs, as nine times out of ten, the voice acting is better than the English voice acting.
@@KeiyarlaDraga Yeah, me too, but if we think about general audience, I think most of them prefer watching stuff in their own language. I don't talk about dubbing (because it costs a lot), but about subtitles - I know a lot of people that don't watch anime in english but in their own language (in my case, in Polish) - and I can't blame them for that, I mean it's more comfortable and not that many people know english that well. So it's not only that Crunchyroll and Funimation aren't widely avaiable, it's also that, people may not know english language.
I mean…it’s nothing to do with effort really most people just don’t want to put bleach near their eyes or are worried about lightening their eyebrows since it can completely fuck up how you look. Pink eyebrows really don’t suit everyone
1. Crunchyroll is available but it has like 10 anime and most of them aren't even that interesting. 2. Funimation isn't available. 3. VRV isn't available. 4. Netflix is my main source now since it has decent anime selection and has great Netflix Originals. But if an anime isn't available there, I resort to piracy. I think a lot of people are resorting to piracy, more because of the lack of availability than the lack of money to pay for the services than people think.
@@narcissistichumility1269 Not just that. It has to be constantly updated at highspeed if I were to be subscribing to them. If not I'd just resort back to the pirated sites because damn son, they upload like rockets in some of them fan translators.
@@mryellow6918 Well yes. But that leaves our streaming sites out of business who market themselves as a life buoy to the industry eating shit. It's all bunk shit.
Exactly the problem. Crunchyroll got better, but still. Many interesting shows not available. On Netflix the same thing. But the actual worst thing is when it’s only dubbed or not subbed in english. It’s not my native language but honestly any other language in the subs is super annoying, because mostly it’s a translation of the english subs and the quality just totally goes down the drain.
You guys probably already know that, but the Russian fanbase of this show is as big as it is thanks to the ДжоШизо channel, that translates and voices some western shows in Russian. For a long time now they've been translating and voicing some of Gigguk's videos, which contributed to the growth of Gigguk's Russian fanbase and the Russian anitube in general. For me personally, their videos where what brought me into the English anitube. And now they started translating the Trash Taste podcasts, increasing the interest among the Russian anime community. Also .ru domains aren't as scary as .рф are ;D Привет братьям славянам, которые каким-то образом найдут этот коммент в куче других. Поддержим же наших зарубежных братьев по 2д вайфу
Reasons for choosing piracy: Internet speed is not enough for 720p streaming, Not all hot anime/manga is accessible in one site ie: Crunchyroll and Funimation. Also, Crunchyroll and Funimation in my region are limited to show (needs to use VPN), movies are not available in provinces in my country. Blue Rays cost a lot. TBH, I tried to not be dependent to piracy tho
"Sorry this is unavailable in your region" - living in an European country not part of the EU, a LOT of anime become unavailable. a lot of hulu or funnimation or even crunchyroll is just not available to us (even if we pay for service.) If there's no legal way to watch a show, what can ya do other than join the pirates ? I think piracy is either a sign of no disposable income, or more often a lack of service.
being actually in the EU doesn't mean it gets any better mate. Funnimation completely blocks Germany as a whole and probably half the shows I'm interested in every season just don't get licensed here. You either get them through the grace of Netflix 3+ years later (I almost cried when I saw that they got Made in Abyss last year, I was contemplating buying the blurays for over 100 bucks just to see it, fuck that) or you'll just never get to see them legally unless you leave the country or use a VPN. I've missed out on so much since I started to watch legally only, it's just sad especially because my issue honestly isn't the money, I'd pay additional fees per show if that made my problem go away, but you're physically unable to pay your way around this shit even though the root of all evil here *is* ultimately just money.
COnfirm, before Steam become as huge at it is and when I was a child and a teen, you have no way to buy games or anything. So piracy was the only way to enjoy a lot of media, not only you have no income as a child but even if you have some money you didn't have any way to expend it. Same with TCGs, copies of original were selled on some shops and where really cheap and the way to enjoy them.
"I talked a lot with Prozd he was cool" Then a couple years later the poor guy had to deal with Connor skipping story and Garnt watching anime at double speed
living in Iran, it's straight up impossible to watch anime legally. I do like to be able to help the industry, and in some cases like helping kyo ani after the arson, I really want to help, but unfortunately I just can't. and then some random dude on Twitter calls me a colonizer for using pirated sites. internet is wierd edit : grammer
yeah, i dont understand why people are so against pirating in ANY situation. like in yours, theres literally no other way watch the content. its necessary.
I work in translation in the manga industry and just thought I'd provide some further insight on piracy and the Japanese industry. (Everything covered in the video was very accurate though!) Very long comment inc. 1) Japanese companies know about manga piracy, but the piracy culture in Japan and the West are completely different. The main things they don't understand here are: A. Westerners don't feel the same culture/social pressure not to pirate as Japanese people do. We are more than happy to pirate and talk about it openly. B. Pirating in the west has always been largely a supply problem, thus even if you shut down pirate websites, because many people are unable (sometimes financially) to access that manga, their only option is to make another pirate website. This complete lack of understanding of why Westerners pirate in the first place and how they feel about pirating causes a variety of issues (additionally, as they mentioned in the video getting Japanese companies to change or do anything new is very difficult). 2) Manga/Anime piracy in the West being normalised over the past couple of decades has left the unfortunate cultural issue that even though it's legally available now via various means, people are so used to getting it for free that they generally aren't inclined to pay for it. This doesn't go for everyone, but in general it seems that while western fans are happy to spend money on merchandise, the idea of buying/supporting the anime/manga via more direct means just isn't on most fan's radar. The amount of "why do I have to pay for this??" that I see in e-mails/inquires to my company is shocking. It's quite surreal how many people are legitimately questioning why they should have to pay for goods. 3) While supply problems are probably the main issue facing the industry (either with manga being completely unavailable in certain regions, being too expensive, or just apps/websites being bad/clunky), due to the issue mentioned in 2), fans are also preventing the expansion of the industry in the west by not coughing up enough cash to support things they like. I know it sounds horrible to say "please spend more money", but the reality is that while big titles like One Piece and Demon Slayer do fine in the West, smaller titles/companies can struggle to even break even after you include translation costs and licensing fees. This makes even big companies think twice when it comes to licensing anything that isn't guaranteed to make them a large profit. Honestly I feel like you could write an essay about this topic, but I from what I've seen the issues above seem to be the biggest problems at the moment. I feel like we've hit a point now where people mainly pirate because stuff isn't available and stuff isn't available because people pirate (small profit = not work the risk). Bigger titles are the exception to this, but I wonder what it'll take for the huge number of smaller series over here in Japan to ever get official English translations. Side note: If you want to get into the manga/anime industry in Japan I would advise: Getting decent Japanese and getting an N2 JLPT qualification (N2 is the minimum required if you seriously want to look for work here) (also don't just practice reading, make sure you can speak normally too cause you're gonna need to pass that job interview) Get a degree in literally anything. This is a standard requirement for applying for a visa here unfortunately. There are exceptions to this of course, but most people I know that have a work visa here have a university degree.
I know this comment and video is roughly 3 months old at this point, but I really enjoyed reading through this and getting a perspective as well as more in-depth information of how it works and what the miscommunication between reasoning is. The fact of people complaining to pay for goods in America does not surprise me, as many of our citizens feel “entitled” to receive these things.
Good insight. From my anecdote, relating to smaller mangas, my friend group likes isekai / reincarnation manga and the girls in our group really enjoy shoujo ai in the genre as well. We looked for English translated versions but 1 out of 50 will have one. Not to mention, mistranslations from small companies often prop up. The reason there is no English translation, of course, is because there are not enough people willing to spend money like us. I also encountered the typical anime fan (in university anime club) that buys merch 1 time at a con, and now belives he/she is entitled all the anime/manga related to that franchise for free.
Manga piracy I think even in the US is very much a service/supply problem still. Because the thing with manga is, I pirate almost everything except Shounen Jump. A subscription to read as much Jump as you can possibly want from Viz media online is like a dollar a week, I have no reason to pirate it. Bunch of other thing publishers though, if an official English translation exists for most of their series at all it's buy the tankobons or nothing, which even in ebook form can quickly add up to hundreds of dollars for just one series. Manga needs more affordable subscription services if it's going to be popular in the west. That's not even too different from the actual business model in Japan with people buying the weekly magazines with the latest chapter of a bunch of different series fairly cheap.
When you're broke, live in an inaccessible country or just can't wait however long to read/walk what comes next it's just easier to pirate. I buy the anime or manga once it comes out but sometimes i can't wait. First year of university with no job...I'm not spending what little i have
The only reason I pirate & will keep on pirating is because whenever I've tried paying for my anime/shows I get hit with "Not available in your country"
Relatable and don't forget you need to subscribe to crunchyroll and other services since they don't have all of thr anime, so yea paying for 3 services to watch some anime...that is 90% not available in the country...big zucc
@@HKy0uma So you are suggesting that I should pay for a premium service, then pay for a vpn in order to access that thing that I already pay for, then trying to find a country in which the show I want to watch is available. All while having to also deal with the extra lag that comes with a VPN. No thanks, once they solve their licensing issues I will be more than willing to pay, but right now I get much better service for free
Lol dude there’s so many better websites for anime without the abundance of ads that you get from kissAnime! Which is why it’s crazy that people still use it 🤣
@@ianr.navahuber2195 INvoluntarily CELibate. A person who hasn't got a sexual partner for reasons of.... Bad hygiene, poor social skills, money, and/or other reasons.
Oof can't speak for everyone but probably some people who are sad about Kissanime's shutdown is because its probably their gate to this community, paying respects for a fallen shady chaotic comrade.
As a general rule, I always try to watch something in a legal way first. If that isn't available, THEN I go pirate, because in that case there is no loss for whoever made it - without a legal way to watch, I literally can't give them money for it, afterall. The one big problem is that actually finding out were I can watch something legally is often unnecessarily complicated. Sometimes the legal services don't have all Seasons of a Show, or only specific localisations, or only in weirdly censored Versions. Or the licensing for an IP is for whatever reason extremely fractured between multiple different Companies. And don't even get me started on the pricing of DVDs/BluRays, which doesn't even begin to make sense. Why does the Steelbook-Version of the Goblin Slayer-Movie cost allmost THREE TIMES LESS than one Volume of Cautious Hero? Seriously, why?
Without such piracy sites, the boom of anime would not have came so quickly. Especially since there a majority of people who can't afford to pay for content, be it their funds or they social standing. Same for manga, manhua, manhwa and light novels.
@@EightThreeEight why not? If I'm new to anime and want to experience what's it like before paying for it then that's totally fair. And how many kids are going to explain to their parents that they want to watch a certain anime that's behind a paywall when people still have negative perceptions of the medium.
whenever i see discussion around piracy i always refer to nakeyjakey's video on limewire, spotify proved that people are willing to pay for a service that has high quality and acessablity and the same thing goes for steam, netflix also proved that people are willing to pay to watch whatever they want but now we got a billion different platforms and it just isn't sustainable anymore. Wanna pay for crunchyroll, good thing they just raised their prices and are offering less than before not to metion the many different region blocks, what about funimation? you mean that shitty app that doesn't work on 90% of the globe, and then there's hulu, amazon prime and even anime that doesn't get published in any of those places that would never be recognized if piracy didn't exist. After all of those problems you have not only anime being scatered arround in different services but whole fucking seasons being split with takagi-san and kaguya-sama having seasons on different services its fucking ridiculous. I and many people are willing to pay a little for a service that is actualy good, but people aren't going to pay for 7 different services that don't even offer everything in it's catalog
As someone who is usually region blocked due to my country I find it ridiculous that people genuinely expect me to pay for a service with 3 anime I want to watch on it and then there's a big chance those anime will be region blocked. And so now I'm expected to also pay for a VPN on top of the normal subscription just to access the service I'm paying for? Are you kidding? Of course there's also the fact that I'm not employed and have 0 income but the idea of this boggles my mind.
The fact that people have to use a vpn to use crunchyroll or other streaming services to their full extent is part of the problem (and even when you do, you arent getting all the shows you want cause you would need to subscribe to multiple services). You are already paying for a service(s), now you need to pay for a vpn to use it to its full extent. And a lot of the time the servers that the pirates operate honestly work better than the official streaming services that i have had experience with. It just sucks that we have to do these things. I wouldn't mind paying full price for a good service, but I'd rather just pirate and then buy hard copies/merch of the anime I like. I do the same for other mediums outside of anime too. Just sucks how the industry works. Most of the people around me love supporting the industry. Hopefully I don't come across like a cunt, or entitled cause I buy merch. I honestly am not trying to ride on a "merch- buying" high horse, but I'm just trying to make the best of what situation I'm in with the information I know. If better ways come out to support I will definitely support and share with the people I know.
That's the best workaround for you and a lot of other people, and honestly it shouldn't have been. I agree with the arguments of having to use a vpn just to watch on what's essentially the same platform. Want to force me to pay for my anime, make it super convenient for me. Don't charge me and then say "oh sorry we don't have that anime here".
Anime isn't accessible in every country, thats why it became so big, doesn't take much to understand it really. Even here in the UK, not every anime is available, unless its a shonen or quite popular enough already to go on crunchyroll/funimationnow.
Ikr these guys just say piracy is bad we know it's bad but we must do it because we don't have access. They're also start watching anime with pirate site what a bunch if Hypocrite
@@mad8324 the hypocrite argument only works if the person being called a hypocrite doesn't admit what they did\are doing is wrong. I have pirated stuff before and now I don't and push anti piracy and support the industry as much as I can.
One thing people go over is that children cant choose to pay, they cant convince their parents to pay for 3 different services to watch anime even if the parents can afford it, so without piracy those kids will never get into anime
In this day and Age a mass Majority of people have Hulu &/or Netflix and those have anime on them I'm not saying everyone has it ik people can't afford it I have both + My friends Crunchyroll and i still Pirate lmao
@@thejoker5755 I use my friends crunchyroll but pirate if i can't watch legally I try my hardest to not pirate but sometimes u gotta do what u gotta do
Anime piracy will always have branding power as long as the "Not available in your country" blocker appears and the viewer doesn't have bandwidth or money to use a VPN effectively.
yeah that's definitely a factor piracy also provides alternatives to bad localizations, it provides alternatives to supporting a company you don't want to support and it also provides you with access to media simply not released in the west or outside of japan
@@tictacterminator * About 30-40% of pirate site traffic comes from the US and Japan, where regional unavailability isn't an issue. * The vast majority of pirates consume 1:1 rips of legal streams with the same translations. * Since pirate sites are dependent on legal sites for their videos and translations, pirates are just having other people's money support their hated companies for them. * As seen by the view counts on illegal sites, the vast majority of users are there to watch the same recent/popular stuff and the evergreen classics that are legally available (at least in certain regions), not the old/obscure stuff that's never been officially licensed or translated.
If you live in Asia/Vietnam/Hongkong, there's this channel called Muse Asia/Vietnam/Hongkong in youtube, they're legal to stream anime, to pay it is to just watch. Sadly if you're not in any of those regions, you might have to rely on piracy for now.
I'm still at the beginning of the vid so I'm not sure if they discuss it later, but the service delivery issue is still prevalent in the anime industry as it comes in with certain sites region locking content (like funimation) and then certain services getting exclusive deals for anime streaming. Like in the past it used to be crunchyroll for everything and then now it's split between multiple providers like crunchyroll, funimation and Netflix. Couple that with the region locking crap and then add in the fees you'd need to pay for all of those sites just to keep up with your favorite anime and the average income of all the weebs in the world (which should approximately be a students minimum wage) and you'll understand why piracy is still popular for anime and other things in general. Support the official release where you can, but sometimes it's not possible.
Plus, even the things released on dvd cost a fortune. Some anime dvd/blurays cost anywhere between £25-£45, for either 12 or 24 episodes, nevermind the long running series which cost double that. Similar goes with manga, one volume is £8 (give or take) and if the series has 25 volumes? Fortune already, even for 10 volumes
@@OroHoneyLemon I personally avoid any blurays or DvDs unless it's a movie because of this same reason. I'd much rather purchase a Manga as even if a volume is 8 bucks, I'd still be able to buy atleast 3-6 volumes for the price of one blu-ray/DVD that'll probably either cover the same amount of material or less. If I need to watch the anime then I weigh my options based on the provider/streaming service or wait for the DvDs/Blurays to go on sale but mostly pirate
Kissanime went though every country. Literally is was so funny lol, you’d have to google kiss anime because they would change their domain weekly. Ru last a really really long time, after ru is when they really started changing it frequently
Let's face it if it wasn't for anime piracy most of us wouldn't be watching anime now. It's also probably why anime is as popular as it is in the west.
Th but it's not a good thing because you are taking money from the creators pocket making the budget lower and the chance of not getting another season
Piracy is very important for entertainment in 3rd world countries. People have the balls ridiculing us for not consuming their products the legal way when we don't even have that right. Even when we can, there's also the confusing inflation rate. The $5 money that seems to be normal pricing for most products in the West is considered expensive when converted to local prices, and enough to feed an entire family for one day. Not to mention the internet services. There is no need to sacrifice food and shelter for expensive entertainment when we can just get them for free, albeit lower quality, but satisfying enough to keep us happy. We just can't afford it. It's also the only way to preserve lost franchises once trademarks and copyrights expire. There's a lot of series almost not available through digital and physical means anymore. There's no guarantee that the companies themselves can have a clean copy stored somewhere in their offices all the time. I have no qualms for people against illegal distribution, but at the very least, pirates can keep a series away from oblivion. So yeah.
@@ugipunto13 I hate it when people sit in their enclosed circle and project their ideas and views of how they think people believe (usually broke or don't want to pay because they're greedy) onto the opposition. It's simply arrogant if you ask me
I feel like piracy is a necessity for those in the younger demographic. Younger children in the west will generally not be allowed to watch anime through a regular streaming service such as crunchyroll or funimation because their parents/guardians are not willing to pay for them, and they (in most cases) are unable to pay for their own account. So, they are only left to either pirate anime, or to just not watch any.
At some point if the child is too young to pay for like crunchyroll then it's better that they don't have access to something like hunter x hunter or high school dxd on an illegal site. They have Pokemon on TV and a bunch of anime aimed for children on Netflix for kids
Until a couple years ago if I has asked my parents for money to watch anime they would have brought out the belt. They'll just say stop watching and punish me for watching in tbr first place
Very true. When I was younger mom would’ve never bought me a streaming service I’d likely be the only one using. Especially if it had those weird cartoons on it. Maybe if I was a young child she might be able to justify it like parents might for Disney+ today, but as 12-13 year old. Yeah no. The only thing I’d be able to watch anime on if it existed back then, we had it back then, and it had anime on it would be Netflix because that has other stuff my mother or other family members might watch. A specialized service that only I would watch would be an automatic no. My mom also thought I was too old for cartoons when I was 12. I think she gave me some shit for watching Avatar at 10 or 11 too. My only options would’ve been cable tv or online piracy. Netflix was also a mail in subscription service until I think 2008 (the year I would’ve been 12). There was no anime on Netflix to my knowledge until many years later. Netflix wasn’t an option then, but if I was born later perhaps Netflix could’ve been an option. Though my family were never big fans of Netflix either and didn’t get it until it was in practically every home. Not until they couldn’t escape Netflix’s reach.
The thing about "official" anime sites is that, from where I live the catalogs are always around 50 animes, which are either crappy or I've already seen. My only options are paying multiple anime sites or vpn on top of that, or go onto an unofficial source and get any and every anime. why would I ever chose to pay a sub par service for the same price as any other people
yeah so that's why I just don't understand why it's impossible to have one legal streaming service for most anime like it would literally benefit everyone
Living in Europe as a weeb: Has a Crunchyroll account and pirates anything else that isn't on Crunchyroll. Why? We don't have any other legal streaming sites.
@@BetterThanYou96 Even then, there is still *a lot* of shows that aren't available on Netflix, Amazon or CR. There isn't worse feeling than wanting to watch one random show, but it's nowhere to be found. Then you find out it's on Funimation (or any other America exclusive.) And getting your hands on manga or LN is 20x harder. *internal suffering*
@@danielbrugovsky6018 Yeah you're absolutely right. Especially when it comes to classic, nothing can be found. Besides, I'm still a student. I can't afford to pay like that. At least Europe gives Amazon Prime free for a year for students.
''why are people sad?'' Personally, almost 10 years of archived anime. The amount of anime that's either hard to acess or straight up unavailable that was in that site was nuts. Also, if you went to Kissanime with no adblockers I dunno what to tell you.
The library in KA was huge (many OVAs and old stuff) and the comment section being really active was a great thing but a lot of the people mourning the loss didn't even talk bout them. Imo most of the people complaining were just straight up people who never heard of anything outside of KA and knew next to nothing regarding piracy in general. 1. Also fuck big anime 'news' pages on FB and Twitter for spreading straight up bullshit regarding the copyright law saying there'll be legal consequences for using pirate websites and in 2021 other sites will be taken down (it's bs if you actually check the revision). This fueled so much of the fire that happened due to KA shutting down. 2. Some were sad that they lost their bookmarks (this is why you use MAL/Anilist or something). 3. The service issue may not be a too big in the west but holy shit is it horrible here in South Asia. I'd guess it's also horrible in many SEA countries, Middle East, and Africa. I've even heard it's trash in some European countries. It's improving atleast in SEA though since you can watch seasonals and some shows on YT channels such as Anione or Muse Asia. I'm guessing they'll become massive in a few years time. 4. There's an issue of conversion in currency which many people don't seem to get when regarding people who pirate. For countries with low per capita income, a single subscription would be maybe 5-10% of their monthly income and yet you'd need to use a VPN. Adding to that using a VPN with meh internet speeds makes it just a bad experience. 5. Hence streaming sites are so popular since if you have an adblock or use sites without ads (aniwatch or twist) since it's free, more convenient and you can find old stuff as well. 6. Torrenting will always exist but it's not really easy for people who want to torrent with download speeds in the kbps range. Manga piracy is a different beast since it's basically in the same state with fansubs for anime 10-15 years ago with a lot of stuff having no official translation weekly. Paying for manga online officially is really expensive. Also buying volumes is expensive in the west and basically unaffordable for a normal person in many countries.
1:09:08 😭 Connor’s expression is me. I have a hard time “selling” myself in writing, cause tbh I don’t know myself much. I was writing a mock resume for something and I had to write about myself, and I asked my boss, and he said “basically brag about yourself”, and I said “but I can’t. I can’t lie about myself!
@@AmonsRealm a love liver is someone who is a fan of the anime girl idol group franchise, "Love Live!". theres an anime series, manga, video games, etc.
it's not that I want to pirate, in my country it's really hard to get a legal anime streaming service. Even Netflix, a popular streaming service is heavily censored in my place. Then, in crunchyroll there are lots of anime that are not available in my country. So again, I had to pirate because of the censorship + lack of streaming service getting into my country. Also thanks for understanding the reason why people pirate, really awesome podcast and I've been enjoying all the podcast lately!
That’s true in my country too. Anime streaming service like funimation isnt available in my country. crunchyroll is available but the choices are limited. Anime blu ray isnt even available here. I mean, I would pay if it is available, but I have no choice. Anime is not really accessible in some countries.
I agree with this statement so much. My country selection of Netflix is so limited that I have to resort to piracy all the time. That's why somehow to sort my conscience I bought a lot of manga from my own pocket money when I visit to Japan.
About the kissanime ban, even if there are a dozen other sites, kissanime is the reason a lot of us weebs could actually get into anime. It makes me emotional cause this is kind of like an end of an era
“Piracy is a service problem.” Valve’s Gabe Newell said that years ago, touting the success of Steam, his online video game distribution service The premise is that while piracy is appealing because it’s free, it’s also appealing because it’s easy.
I think the biggest example is the Music Industry, music piracy is pretty much dead bcuz there's no reason to pirate when the industry offers such amazing services like UA-cam, Spotify and Apple Music, they literally mad it so the bar to hearing your favorite song at any time is an internet connection and for $6 month you can take it anywhere
Preach. If there was a legal site that has a library of anime and manga like the kiss sites and is accessible worldwide I'd be willing to bet piracy will die out overnight.
Zero 'O Clock wtf bro, your mom doesn't mind the hentai ads? I used an ad blocker on it but the captcha is such a pain and half the time the servers wouldnt work. Kissanime was so much better 5 years ago.
@@betterhansin She didnt actually! I warned her about ads and it was golden. But I did find an ad blocker that Kissanime somehow didn't pick up a month before kissanime closed lol. My mom hated the captcha more than anything actually lol but honestly I preffered it to the Google "pick the blocks with street lights" version because it takes so much time and you have no clue what they count as a street light so you may just fail and have to start again. The kissanine Captcha legit took 5 seconds tops it was very straightforward.
@@ZeroOhClock I remember getting really good at it too, the highest number would always be to the right and it saved like 3 seconds to look at only half the pictures and get it right lol
PAIN. REGRET. KISSANIME. GONE. I spent my first and current, 3 years on kissanime. I made over 10,000 comments on anime episodes and loved the community there. The trash hentai ads. The awful CAPTCHA tests, the asshole moderators. But they uploaded EVERYTHING. Even the most obscure anime. It was bad, but it was OUR BAD anime site. Rest In Peace KISSANIME. *You helped me get into anime. If not, I wouldn’t be even watching this video.*
Reasons I pirate anime: -western liscensing is ass, I shouldn't have to pay for 5 different subscription services to be able to watch all of the shows in a season. I pay for crunchyroll, but about 50% of the time, the show I wanna watch isn't on crunchyroll -Year or longer turnaround times for being able to watch certain anime movies -Bluray releases not being posted on streaming sites, such as uncensored or re-subtitled versions I TRY to buy it legally whenever I can, but companies fighting for liscensing rights in the west just makes it so fucking difficult and annoying to find the right place to watch the show you wanna watch
@couchpotato 25 I'm pretty sure that doesn't help when the license to an anime is owned by other subscription sites, such as Amazon Prime or Hulu. That only helps when certain anime are not available in your country.
The main reason piracy is still needed is simple: Licensing. I watched s1 of Kaguya on Crunchyroll. I pay for crunchyroll. I'm not ALSO paying for funimation because funimation decided to buy the rights to exclusuvely stream Kaguya season 2 :/ + Netflix doesn't release shows until the end of the seasons, All the discussions and stuff are over :/
This is the problem, people always think competition is the way forward, but then attributes license exclusivity to competition, which is not. When I have to buy 2 services to watch the things I like, in what world is this competition when the 2 companies aren't even competing for my money. They're monopolising 3rd part IP to force me into buying 2 or more services. Hearing people who are always sponsored by legal streaming -sights- sites* trying to sound unbaised is really cringe. We all know why you can't condone piracy stop beating around the bush
SeaSesh same problem with the regular series. I don't really have a way where I can legally watch them (sometimes because of missing subtitles, sometimes because of missing availability)
Хах, а ребятки то подметил, что у них куча зрителей из России. Жаль, что они не упомянули ещё про то, что есть такой прекрасный канал как ДжоШизо, который их ещё и переводит.
I'm from Brazil, most of my friends don't have the privilege of being able to pay for streaming services, but they do try to support the creators by buying manga and other products, one in a while.
I really do appreciate when Connor goes off to start a tangent about whatever. No lie, I'd probably watch a whole video of him just going off about a topic
52:00 This add is the best thing I have seen all week. I always skip adds and sponsorship in YT videos, except those on Trash Taste because they are simply too hilarious!
I like that Giguk's whole body shakes when he laughs lolz IDK why just funny as shit. It's like when a puppet from sesame street laughs. Their whole body is moving.
![[2024-12-04] Futureman - Black Myth: Wukong](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rYFtkma6ayE/mqdefault.jpg)
CAPCOM Isn't doing shitty my bad gamers. 🙇♀️
I hope you understand on a 2hr podcast that I will say some shit that's wrong due to misremembering or just forgetting large details. Because it's definitely going to happen again. 👍
Hiiii
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗
I mean Devil May Cry V and Resident Evil Remake is doing good tho, sometime fan calling them CRAPCOM for no reason anyway.
That's alright. We cool.
@@minuano2ndtrueancestor865 MHW devs are one of the best in gaming
When Connor is the only voice actor, but also the only one who doesn't seem to get that we caN'T HEAR HIM IF HE MOVES AWAY FROM HIS MICROPHONE
I see from your pfp that u are a man of culture too 👀
Nicole omg LOL
Friendly Degenerate yes he is
@Friendly Degenerate He did one line that didn't aired. Garnt has done abridges. They are all technically VAs.
i see u alex 😉
*Garnt:* Why are you on here?
*Connor:* Why are you on here?
*Joey:* Why are you on here?
*Maylene:* It's free real state.
they always ask why is meilyne but they never ask how is meilyne :'-(
@@Ash_mit_Ketchum😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guys, you have such a large Russian community that there is a channel that completely translates your podcasts.
Ps They (ДжоШизо) also translate Gigguk
is that why theres lots of russian comments?
probly, I was scrolling down to see random comments and all I see is Russian comments which I'm very sorry that I don't understand what they're saying
Very cool Russia
Sounds awfully similar to what we are doing lmao
👍
Myliene: maybe people who likes anime but has no friends discovered you guys who also like anime and you are also cool
the cool guys be like:
-An ex-monk
-The former angry high school anime protagonist
-Joey
Joey: The anime encyclopedia
- ex monk
- monkey brain
- liked reading dictionaries for fun
You forgot chess pro
Connor's basically a Jojo delinquent waving a turtle about.
Joey: An Aussie Hentai W@nker.
so Meilyne is basically their Nick Fury. "I'm here to talk about the Trash Taste intiative"
Degenerates Assemble!
She the mastermind 🧐
so tti 🤔 titties! :O
and kissanime is hydra then?
Best comment of the day
Me: "Oh she's gonna teach us how to get a job in the anime industry in japan."
Requirements: "Have a social life."
_Mission Failed we'll get em next time_
i actually now want to talk to people after watching so much trash taste. improved my social life more in a month than the entirety of 2019.
Social skills =/= Social life. That said, one generally follows the other...
@@slowmonet i think it's more like to unlock social life you must unlock social skill first, as they're part of the same skill tree. Lol
but but there is no next time
@@syahrezadifachri5121 that is some chad gamer way of seeing it, but you right ma dude/dudette
Damn after 7 months I now only realize that Luffy's on the thumbnail because he's a pirate and they're talking about piracy.
Yo, I only realized it because of your comment.
@@xanecosmo5061 same
@@xanecosmo5061 YOOOOO same hahahahahaha watched this episode like 8 times in the past year omggg
😂😂
Wait what?
this is my ideal conversation, other people just talk and i listen and don't say a single fucking word, i love it here
And we're invited to listen every week too
you're actually right holy shit
I'm the opposite I always want to lead the discussion and feel bad when my friends just want to listen 😂
WEIRD
You just perfectly explained in a single sentence why I listen to so many damn podcasts. Amazing
Being an Otaku in India sucks, coz there's literally not a single source where you can actually even think of watching anime legally. If you're an Indian and you watch anime, then there's no way you're not pirating (excluding Netflix as its very much in the early stages in India and wasn't available like 5 years back.) Even then, compared to a steaming site what you'll find on Netflix is no where near to the library that you'll find on literally any illegal site..
I'm pretty sure that the only one instance where I as an Otaku actually legally watched an anime was a "Weathering with you" as it was the first ever anime movie to be released in theatres in India.. that was a special experience for sure.
Yeah 100% agree. For manga readers, there's the viz subscription, but its library is also really limited. We desperately need a good anime -stealing- streaming (😅) service here (and hopefully a manga reading subscription)
As an Indian, I'm really curious as to how big the 'otaku' community actually is in India...
@@daidaithirteen2912 I doubt its very big. People don't really know anime outside of DBZ, Pokemon and Shin-Chan. But yeah, it actually sucks that without Kissanime and other similar things, there isn't any good method to watch anime
Yep
hehe also as a nigerian
this is the longest that trash taste has stayed on topic
Guess it’s because their boss was there the whole time
@@gameb9oy sensitive 💰 topic
I think the main reasons why anime piracy is so high is that it is really easy to find, use and spread. You have every anime under the sun on these websites while the legal ones all compete to get the biggest shows exclusively on their site. Also it is the way most people try anime for the first time in general and there is no reason to switch websites. Why should you change to other sites if the one you are using is free, has every anime in one place and you are already used to it. This means that the piracy problem still is a service problem because no website other than the pirating sites will ever have all anime. Exclusivity is a convinience killer.
Yeah, pretty much.
If you add to the mix that streaming sites still have different licences for different countries, this makes It even less interesting.
I have Netflix and so of course at times I use my VPN to see things that Netflix UK has and my Netflix Italia doesn't, it's natural.
But why should I go out of my way to get a subscribition to Crunchyroll if the Italian catalogue sucks hard?
If the anime I want to see is taken by VVVVID (italian legal streaming site) of course I use that, why should I pirate it?
Piracy is always a service issue, if you don't count those who would only consume your product if they can pirate it
Yeah, I hard disagreed with Connor's "you just haven't searched hard enough for a legal way". Funimation just says no when I open it in my country, Netflix has like a quarter of the US catalogue while torrenting on good sites is easy af.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 that's because they don't really have an experience from a country that actually gets screwed over by licencing.
Outside of US and UK, it sucks trying to watch most shows legal. Same with manga. I don't think I should be using a VPN to access something the licensors don't want in my country. If I am not a customer in their eyes, why should I care?
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 Yeah, plus fuck needing multiple subscriptions to streaming services to enjoy a couple of shows. New Bleach season will be on Disney+, other shows are on Netflix, Funimation, Crunchyroll. How much money do they think we are making?
Even if exclusivity goes away, pirate sites will still have a better anime selection, and as you say, "Why should you change to other sites if the one you are using is free, has every anime in one place and you are already used to it?"
Also, have you ever heard anyone say, "Oh, my favorite pirate site didn't have the anime I'm looking for, I guess I won't watch it because navigating to other websites is too inconvenient"? No, I don't think anyone has, because the difference is the money -- a pricing problem.
And maybe piracy isn't as widespread with other media (e.g. Hollywood movies and mainstream TV/streaming series) because the companies behind them have more resources to get the illegal options taken down, thus making piracy more inconvenient and risky than the legal methods.
Connor "Crunchyroll will probably never work with us again."
Crunchyroll: Sweats at their origin story*
I need context what happened? You’ve peaked my interest
@@krisdeltarun Same. What's their *B A C K S T O R Y* ?
S. Aslah Ahmad Faizi they were originally a pirate site
Alexander Kai crunchyroll used to be a pirating site before they went legit in 2013.
kamenridersolo
Oh shit really? Damn, that’s kinda cool
I actually think that the Anime Industry has one of the BIGGEST "service" arguments for the pirating. Some shows you LITERALLY cannot watch without pirating, period. They aren't available on any streaming platform and the DVDs/ Blu Rays are either borderline impossible to acquire or prohibitively expensive. Obviously this doesn't apply to new/ seasonal stuff, but there are countless old gems that are being lost to time because of this and piracy is the only thing keeping them alive in the collective unconscious.
Sixty ninth like for a nice comment
Only shows I’ve watched on those for like 5 years is Monster and Baccano. I don’t think they are licensed in the west
The service problem quote applies to anime imo, if the service is bad on legal sites in terms of availability, features, quality, and convenience, then I'll pirate. Some piracy sites offer downloads, have good quality, are easy to use, and actually have things i won't find in my country legally. I torrent mine, getting insane quality, it's the fastest, no buffering, and also just easy. If there was a steam for anime with proper availability, piracy would go down
@@marinkarin15 or even get your hands on new manga is just plainly difficult.
Hajime no Ippo comes to mind in that regard. I don't believe there are any official releases for streaming/DVD/Blu-ray outside Japan.
Honestly Meilyn, I can't express how grateful I am for you being the one who gave these wonderful People an opportunity to grow even more. Getting these bois together , leading into the the formation of this podcast which has been without a doubt one of the absolute highlights of this year. The amount of times I've laughed so much with them to the point where my soul leaves my body is immeasurable.
This podcast has been such a blessing , cheering me up after a bad week,that feeling of like I'm just watching these group of fascinating, charismatic individuals just talk about their lives and being themselves, gets me through the darkest hours of my current situation, as cheesy and basic as I know that sounds.
This was all possible because of you,
From the bottom of my heart, and everything within it.
Thank you so much.
Shes the real MVP of this year Podcast has been an absolute blast especially Connors protagonist stories
Just imagining that she was the person that had the idea to promote bookwalker with UA-camers. Without those sponsorships I would never have known about the side where I buy basically all of my light novels. And I can imagine that that's the same with many other people as well. This simple idea probably made a ton of money and gave me another form of media to enjoy.
Missed opportunity to say "this podcast hits different" but yeah,
This podcast hits different.
Love from Vietnam.
I need to pirate anime, and there're 3 reasons for that:
1. there's no crunchyroll in my country
2. there's no funimation in my country
3. there's no anime in tv in mu country
Get a vpn m8
@@mr.m4524 i have other things i gotta pay for. Not everyone gets their salaries in dollars or euros.
Even with Crunchyroll, there are region limits.... So you dont have the whole library
Same here😖
Try the UK version of Crunchyroll, so many shows are "Not available in your region". Even when you want to use a legit source they don't even let you.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."
- Gabe Newell
TRUE
@@uwc. Did you read any of the other comments? Until legal streaming and licencing is available in more regions pirating is absolutely a service problem. As in Crunchyroll doesn't bother to service many nations. Legal anime is a lot harder to access globally than legal video games.
@@uwc. explain Netflix
you know, instead of bitching your reasons in the internet, try finding ways to purchase it legally. People reasoning like that are just allergic to hard work.
@@jeiaori yeah let me just buy a blue ray for 200euro kek, if the only legal way for me to watch the anime is with the VPN on some shitty service with cancer ui I'd rather pirate in pristine quality and amazing ui
Gonna make the time stamps for this episode
0:08 Intro (Garnt Host)
0:19 New guest(Meilyne)
0:58 Meilyne’s job,why she’s on the podcast
-Pirate Anime sites-
1:50 Topic of Kissanime
2:22 What is a Kissanime?
3:40 There are other sites than just Kissanime
6:23 Does Piracy affect the Anime industry?
13:38 Do we still need piracy?
19:11 Paying for anime vs pirating anime
23:12 Arguments regarding piracy
28:31 Best ways to support the creators
-Japan’s cultural differences-
34:23 Donating to creators
35:48 Japan’s marketing,CRTTV’s and second hand items
39:23 How to improve the anime industry 42:19 Pitching to the Japanese
46:48 Reaching out to Anitubers
52:04-54:46 Sponsors(ejanime)
-Craigslist-
54:55 Meilyne finding a job on Craiglist
56:33 Connor’s cockroach infested fridge
57:18 Continuation of 54:55
59:20 Craigslist got some sketchy ads
-Question with Meilyne-
1:02:53 Meilyne working in the US
1:04:03 Advice for weebs wanting to work in the Anime industry
1:11:42 Formation of Geeks-plus
1:14:31 The 93% in a Japanese office
1:17:57 Meilyne idea gets approved
1:18:39 Opening party of Geeks-plus
1:23:21 People they’ve met in the party
-The Crunchyroll Anime Awards experience-
1:26:07 Connor at the anime awards
1:28:55 Connor’s “Best Girl”
1:31:27 Meeting Prozd
1:32:21 Garnt at the anime awards
1:34:22 Connor is given a bottle of sake
-More QNA with Meilyne-
1:35:20 Meilyne’s backstory
1:38:23 What to look out for to join the anime industry
1:45:00 Meilyne’s experience in the anime industry
1:48:50 Workers at Japanese conventions
1:51:15 What do Japanese convention workers think of foreign culture
1:56:16 How conventions pick guest
2:00:09 Final thoughts about pirates
-Outro-
2:03:51 Patreons,Subreddit,Twitter
2:04:11 Final words
2:06:02 End
Thank you for your patience
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Thanks
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True G
Legend
TrashTaste in their video about anime piracy: Why do we have so much russian fans?
ДжоШизо: нервно курят в сторонке
Жаль они возможно остановятся на 10й части, на половине видео нет автосабов и без них треть не понимаю
@@orgax привет, я из будущего. У нас тут появился 13-ый выпуск подкаста
@@megunery Значит деньги нашлись, уже хорошо. Надеюсь до втуберши и хентая дойдут
Тихо не пали
BROOO I NEED TO KNOW - Cyrillic for BLYAT?
Myliene: "This person is called 'The Anime Man'?"
Trash Taste exists BECAUSE of that name, It's finally coming to full circle
I can sum up why I pirate in one quote:
"Sorry this is unavailable in your region"
Vpn ez clap
@@carmenramirez1811 So you have to pay twice for one service?
Basically
Yeah
VPN dose not work on crunchyroll in india
I don't know anyone who watches anime here tbh
Did THE Cdawg shout me out!? 😱
indeed good job!
Yessir
Bruh u got called out on 2 videos I saw this week that I seen
Yes
Good for you man
Joey: "Explain it like a five year old."
Connor: "notorious"
BIG
We need a shout out to kyoani for having their animators paid on salary and their workers having benefits
Yeah, kyoani is a fucking good company.
They seem be recovering slowly. Super happy for everything them. R.I.P to those lives lost last year.
It made me so sad to see that happen to them, they are either a good company or have the best PR.
Coming into this episode I thought that because they are with Bookwalker they were gonna be like "Piracy is bad, I have never pirated anything in my life" I'm glad I was wrong.
Yeah, I too was pleasantly surprised.
Knowing Joey I’d say those sayings would be bullshit if you didn’t make them up
I think many people forget that problem also lies in language barriers. I don't have the problem with understanding English - I only watch english subbed anime anyway. But many people want to watch series in their own language, and besides Netflix there's almost NONE other streaming website that has that possibility. So even if Crunchyroll or Funimation would be more available in more countries, there's that language barrier that many people would be unwilling to use them.
I literally learned english by reading manga and watching anime illegally. I'm french, and we have a LOT of translated series and pretty decent localisation overall, but manga are always about 10 volumes late compared to the english release. And anime translation was of varied quality and often coming out late. And when I started watching anime online, there was NO french-translated anime from any legit platforms. Crunchyroll didn't exist. Netflix didn't. I had to watch on crappy websites like Rutube or obscure and illegal streaming sites.
And France is the third country that consume the most manga/anime in the world. Behind Japan and US. I can't even imagine how terrible it would be for other language to find series in their own language that isn't fantranslated.
@@dayko. Funny, for me it's the other way round. My native lang. is German but I prefer English cuz. German translation just feels weird for me I dunno.
When it comes to anime, I usually prefer to watch the Japanese version with English subs, as nine times out of ten, the voice acting is better than the English voice acting.
@@KeiyarlaDraga Yeah, me too, but if we think about general audience, I think most of them prefer watching stuff in their own language. I don't talk about dubbing (because it costs a lot), but about subtitles - I know a lot of people that don't watch anime in english but in their own language (in my case, in Polish) - and I can't blame them for that, I mean it's more comfortable and not that many people know english that well. So it's not only that Crunchyroll and Funimation aren't widely avaiable, it's also that, people may not know english language.
@@ladywithpinkglasses True. You do have a point there.
I admire that Meilyne dyes her eyebrows. Most people wouldn't bother with that, maybe not even realize, but she puts that extra work in. Pretty cool
I mean…it’s nothing to do with effort really most people just don’t want to put bleach near their eyes or are worried about lightening their eyebrows since it can completely fuck up how you look. Pink eyebrows really don’t suit everyone
I barely even noticed
Yee it looks good!!
Wut
Tf are you on about 💀
1. Crunchyroll is available but it has like 10 anime and most of them aren't even that interesting.
2. Funimation isn't available.
3. VRV isn't available.
4. Netflix is my main source now since it has decent anime selection and has great Netflix Originals. But if an anime isn't available there, I resort to piracy.
I think a lot of people are resorting to piracy, more because of the lack of availability than the lack of money to pay for the services than people think.
Same for me. I just want one website for my anime and one for my manga. I would without a doubt subscribe.
I think you're underestimating the cost of legally obtaining even close to pirating levels of access. Like legit even close.
@@narcissistichumility1269 Not just that. It has to be constantly updated at highspeed if I were to be subscribing to them. If not I'd just resort back to the pirated sites because damn son, they upload like rockets in some of them fan translators.
@@Christian--- not if they use a this user watched this show, give this show money.
@@mryellow6918 Well yes. But that leaves our streaming sites out of business who market themselves as a life buoy to the industry eating shit. It's all bunk shit.
"ThIs cOntEnt iS nOt available iN yOur cOunTry"
“oh [insert not america here] exists? i wasn’t aware of that. tough :)”
Exactly the problem. Crunchyroll got better, but still. Many interesting shows not available. On Netflix the same thing.
But the actual worst thing is when it’s only dubbed or not subbed in english. It’s not my native language but honestly any other language in the subs is super annoying, because mostly it’s a translation of the english subs and the quality just totally goes down the drain.
VPN: hi
@@parkchimmin7913 wouldn't that still be illegal?
@@fishfrfr The funny thing is that none of these people are from the U.S.
You guys probably already know that, but the Russian fanbase of this show is as big as it is thanks to the ДжоШизо channel, that translates and voices some western shows in Russian. For a long time now they've been translating and voicing some of Gigguk's videos, which contributed to the growth of Gigguk's Russian fanbase and the Russian anitube in general. For me personally, their videos where what brought me into the English anitube. And now they started translating the Trash Taste podcasts, increasing the interest among the Russian anime community. Also .ru domains aren't as scary as .рф are ;D
Привет братьям славянам, которые каким-то образом найдут этот коммент в куче других. Поддержим же наших зарубежных братьев по 2д вайфу
hell yeah
Bump this.
BREAKING NEWS: Anitubers are international celebrities.
СЮДА
@@qwzr7083 уга буга
helllll yea
.ru is here. We love you too.
Из России с любовью, чувак.
From Russia with love)
Can't take my eyes off Meilyne's hair, that pink colour is so pretty!
Agreed, it is the perfect color on her!
@BARRATT MEYER - STUDENT what was the controversy about? 😶
tru, that mustve have cost at least 200 bucks. including the eyebrows
*Garnt:* "Piracy is a necessary evil"
[Could've never said it any better]
Bro how tf is kiss anime back
@@thespacemopper5457 hydra
Week nine of expressing the absolute brilliance of this podcast.
Keep at it
SPEAKIN THE TRUTH 👏👏👏♥️♥️♥️
this podcast is god tier
Santiago Rodriguez oh you know I will till this end of this mf podcast
@@zzenichu1225 The Official Podcast
.ru
Мы идём за тобой, Коннор.
Мы идём...
Наверное они читают коменти и такие " о черт, их так много, зря мы сказали про .ru
Lol facts
Translation
We're coming for you, Connor.
We are going...
every time joey jokingly says "my favorite anime, sword art online" his voice gets less and less sarcastic sounding, i'm starting to get worried :')
Pffffhahaha 😂
Once Progressive gets adapted, it'll be completely unironic lmao
Reasons for choosing piracy: Internet speed is not enough for 720p streaming, Not all hot anime/manga is accessible in one site ie: Crunchyroll and Funimation. Also, Crunchyroll and Funimation in my region are limited to show (needs to use VPN), movies are not available in provinces in my country. Blue Rays cost a lot. TBH, I tried to not be dependent to piracy tho
Perfectly reasonable
Another reason is not even be able to pay even if you wanted
Kheireddine Btr yeah credit cards don’t work
i only have problems with the selection of shows so i pay for crunchyroll but if there isn't the anime i want to watch i just watch it on internet
How about the fact that prívate licences stifel inovation and destroy the competitive market, your reason is good though
"Sorry this is unavailable in your region" - living in an European country not part of the EU, a LOT of anime become unavailable. a lot of hulu or funnimation or even crunchyroll is just not available to us (even if we pay for service.) If there's no legal way to watch a show, what can ya do other than join the pirates ?
I think piracy is either a sign of no disposable income, or more often a lack of service.
No worries you're not missing out on much if you were in an EU country. Exact same problem
I CAN SADLY RELATE TO THIS🥺
being actually in the EU doesn't mean it gets any better mate. Funnimation completely blocks Germany as a whole and probably half the shows I'm interested in every season just don't get licensed here. You either get them through the grace of Netflix 3+ years later (I almost cried when I saw that they got Made in Abyss last year, I was contemplating buying the blurays for over 100 bucks just to see it, fuck that) or you'll just never get to see them legally unless you leave the country or use a VPN.
I've missed out on so much since I started to watch legally only, it's just sad especially because my issue honestly isn't the money, I'd pay additional fees per show if that made my problem go away, but you're physically unable to pay your way around this shit even though the root of all evil here *is* ultimately just money.
COnfirm, before Steam become as huge at it is and when I was a child and a teen, you have no way to buy games or anything. So piracy was the only way to enjoy a lot of media, not only you have no income as a child but even if you have some money you didn't have any way to expend it. Same with TCGs, copies of original were selled on some shops and where really cheap and the way to enjoy them.
You can buy the box sets when they come out for 100 euros plus x) MAN I ain't made of god damn MONEY >:(
"I talked a lot with Prozd he was cool"
Then a couple years later the poor guy had to deal with Connor skipping story and Garnt watching anime at double speed
the way trash taste presents their sponsors is amazingly scuffed i love it, they are the only ones that I don't skip
*ENTERTAINMENT JAPAN!*
living in Iran, it's straight up impossible to watch anime legally. I do like to be able to help the industry, and in some cases like helping kyo ani after the arson, I really want to help, but unfortunately I just can't. and then some random dude on Twitter calls me a colonizer for using pirated sites. internet is wierd
edit : grammer
yeah, i dont understand why people are so against pirating in ANY situation. like in yours, theres literally no other way watch the content. its necessary.
I work in translation in the manga industry and just thought I'd provide some further insight on piracy and the Japanese industry. (Everything covered in the video was very accurate though!)
Very long comment inc.
1) Japanese companies know about manga piracy, but the piracy culture in Japan and the West are completely different. The main things they don't understand here are:
A. Westerners don't feel the same culture/social pressure not to pirate as Japanese people do. We are more than happy to pirate and talk about it openly.
B. Pirating in the west has always been largely a supply problem, thus even if you shut down pirate websites, because many people are unable (sometimes financially) to access that manga, their only option is to make another pirate website.
This complete lack of understanding of why Westerners pirate in the first place and how they feel about pirating causes a variety of issues (additionally, as they mentioned in the video getting Japanese companies to change or do anything new is very difficult).
2) Manga/Anime piracy in the West being normalised over the past couple of decades has left the unfortunate cultural issue that even though it's legally available now via various means, people are so used to getting it for free that they generally aren't inclined to pay for it. This doesn't go for everyone, but in general it seems that while western fans are happy to spend money on merchandise, the idea of buying/supporting the anime/manga via more direct means just isn't on most fan's radar. The amount of "why do I have to pay for this??" that I see in e-mails/inquires to my company is shocking. It's quite surreal how many people are legitimately questioning why they should have to pay for goods.
3) While supply problems are probably the main issue facing the industry (either with manga being completely unavailable in certain regions, being too expensive, or just apps/websites being bad/clunky), due to the issue mentioned in 2), fans are also preventing the expansion of the industry in the west by not coughing up enough cash to support things they like. I know it sounds horrible to say "please spend more money", but the reality is that while big titles like One Piece and Demon Slayer do fine in the West, smaller titles/companies can struggle to even break even after you include translation costs and licensing fees. This makes even big companies think twice when it comes to licensing anything that isn't guaranteed to make them a large profit.
Honestly I feel like you could write an essay about this topic, but I from what I've seen the issues above seem to be the biggest problems at the moment. I feel like we've hit a point now where people mainly pirate because stuff isn't available and stuff isn't available because people pirate (small profit = not work the risk). Bigger titles are the exception to this, but I wonder what it'll take for the huge number of smaller series over here in Japan to ever get official English translations.
Side note: If you want to get into the manga/anime industry in Japan I would advise:
Getting decent Japanese and getting an N2 JLPT qualification (N2 is the minimum required if you seriously want to look for work here) (also don't just practice reading, make sure you can speak normally too cause you're gonna need to pass that job interview)
Get a degree in literally anything. This is a standard requirement for applying for a visa here unfortunately. There are exceptions to this of course, but most people I know that have a work visa here have a university degree.
I know this comment and video is roughly 3 months old at this point, but I really enjoyed reading through this and getting a perspective as well as more in-depth information of how it works and what the miscommunication between reasoning is. The fact of people complaining to pay for goods in America does not surprise me, as many of our citizens feel “entitled” to receive these things.
Good insight. From my anecdote, relating to smaller mangas, my friend group likes isekai / reincarnation manga and the girls in our group really enjoy shoujo ai in the genre as well. We looked for English translated versions but 1 out of 50 will have one. Not to mention, mistranslations from small companies often prop up. The reason there is no English translation, of course, is because there are not enough people willing to spend money like us.
I also encountered the typical anime fan (in university anime club) that buys merch 1 time at a con, and now belives he/she is entitled all the anime/manga related to that franchise for free.
Manga piracy I think even in the US is very much a service/supply problem still. Because the thing with manga is, I pirate almost everything except Shounen Jump. A subscription to read as much Jump as you can possibly want from Viz media online is like a dollar a week, I have no reason to pirate it. Bunch of other thing publishers though, if an official English translation exists for most of their series at all it's buy the tankobons or nothing, which even in ebook form can quickly add up to hundreds of dollars for just one series.
Manga needs more affordable subscription services if it's going to be popular in the west. That's not even too different from the actual business model in Japan with people buying the weekly magazines with the latest chapter of a bunch of different series fairly cheap.
1:24:28 this didn't age well...RIP Miura sensei
Miura getting asked by fans in the afterlife wanting to know how Berserk ended 'ahaha... yeah about that'
When you're broke, live in an inaccessible country or just can't wait however long to read/walk what comes next it's just easier to pirate. I buy the anime or manga once it comes out but sometimes i can't wait. First year of university with no job...I'm not spending what little i have
That's rough buddy
T Tag it’s not your fault countries out of japan make it so hard to get anime to us western fans.
It's not for you then.
/s
Yeah, i think that's one of the things they discussed in the video
You basically described about half or more of the International Anime Community.
The only reason I pirate & will keep on pirating is because whenever I've tried paying for my anime/shows I get hit with "Not available in your country"
Relatable
Relatable and don't forget you need to subscribe to crunchyroll and other services since they don't have all of thr anime, so yea paying for 3 services to watch some anime...that is 90% not available in the country...big zucc
Mood.
Licensing. Try VPN like Gigguk mentioned.
@@HKy0uma So you are suggesting that I should pay for a premium service, then pay for a vpn in order to access that thing that I already pay for, then trying to find a country in which the show I want to watch is available. All while having to also deal with the extra lag that comes with a VPN.
No thanks, once they solve their licensing issues I will be more than willing to pay, but right now I get much better service for free
Garnt : Who even uses KissAnime is 2020?
Broke Weebs : *sweating nervously*
HAHA! POOR! (Jacksepticeye reference btw)
I think he meant that there are so many more efficient websites
Gogo anime bruh
torrents also exist
Lol dude there’s so many better websites for anime without the abundance of ads that you get from kissAnime! Which is why it’s crazy that people still use it 🤣
*Say about russian*
+100500 coments from russian
Yeah, we are here and we folow you
Ага
ДА
Da
Months ago:
Joey: yeah, because of the figures this episode is definitely not monetized
This episode: SPONSOR PAYS TO ADVERTISE LOLI BIKINI FIGURE
LOLI IN A BIKINI BRIDAL GOWN MY DUDE
They be getting those high class sponsors
Their sponsors are clearly men of culture.
Has anyone noticed... there are only like 5-7 figurines to choose from in the store.
@@fineway7053 pretty sure they said so in the pod
it's pretty new, and they'll be adding more stuff shortly
Fine Way No there aren’t, that’s just the featured line up. Have you pressed on the home button? 🙈
Writes down:
"Don't be a social wreck and have a social life."
Me: °panic°
@@dayko. what's an incel?! isn't that something you use to dig out fossils?!
@@ianr.navahuber2195
INvoluntarily CELibate.
A person who hasn't got a sexual partner for reasons of.... Bad hygiene, poor social skills, money, and/or other reasons.
Oof can't speak for everyone but probably some people who are sad about Kissanime's shutdown is because its probably their gate to this community, paying respects for a fallen shady chaotic comrade.
@Suhas Hail Hydra
Kissanime isn’t down Wdym?
Edit: there are like 500 kissanime sites so they can just go on the others if one was shut down
Suhas oh ok
Gogoanime
@Suhas bruh
As a general rule, I always try to watch something in a legal way first. If that isn't available, THEN I go pirate, because in that case there is no loss for whoever made it - without a legal way to watch, I literally can't give them money for it, afterall.
The one big problem is that actually finding out were I can watch something legally is often unnecessarily complicated. Sometimes the legal services don't have all Seasons of a Show, or only specific localisations, or only in weirdly censored Versions. Or the licensing for an IP is for whatever reason extremely fractured between multiple different Companies. And don't even get me started on the pricing of DVDs/BluRays, which doesn't even begin to make sense.
Why does the Steelbook-Version of the Goblin Slayer-Movie cost allmost THREE TIMES LESS than one Volume of Cautious Hero? Seriously, why?
*Maylene:* "So, before using youtubers"
*Everyone:* "....."
*Maylene:* "Collaborating"
Connor eating food:
The Bookwalker support team: Can we take a picture?
Connor: Who are you?
The Bookwalker support team: *We are the 93%*
All hail lord 93
We are your* 93% 😏
Without such piracy sites, the boom of anime would not have came so quickly. Especially since there a majority of people who can't afford to pay for content, be it their funds or they social standing.
Same for manga, manhua, manhwa and light novels.
It wasn't piracy that got Akira and Ghost in the Shell into theatres, or Toonami onto TV.
@Pioneer Shark That doesn't mean we should still do it now.
@@EightThreeEight next thing you're gonna tell me is that someone watching/reading a pirated copy equals a lost sale lmao
@@methos4866 Not in all cases, but in some cases, yes.
@@EightThreeEight why not? If I'm new to anime and want to experience what's it like before paying for it then that's totally fair. And how many kids are going to explain to their parents that they want to watch a certain anime that's behind a paywall when people still have negative perceptions of the medium.
21:14 The reaction of Meilyne,when he said he wants to skip all of the openings is so precious and it was just like mine.
whenever i see discussion around piracy i always refer to nakeyjakey's video on limewire, spotify proved that people are willing to pay for a service that has high quality and acessablity and the same thing goes for steam, netflix also proved that people are willing to pay to watch whatever they want but now we got a billion different platforms and it just isn't sustainable anymore. Wanna pay for crunchyroll, good thing they just raised their prices and are offering less than before not to metion the many different region blocks, what about funimation? you mean that shitty app that doesn't work on 90% of the globe, and then there's hulu, amazon prime and even anime that doesn't get published in any of those places that would never be recognized if piracy didn't exist.
After all of those problems you have not only anime being scatered arround in different services but whole fucking seasons being split with takagi-san and kaguya-sama having seasons on different services its fucking ridiculous. I and many people are willing to pay a little for a service that is actualy good, but people aren't going to pay for 7 different services that don't even offer everything in it's catalog
gabe :/ *slaps table* THANK YOU
This is it chief
Taking the words right from my mouth
*"YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A FUCKIN' CAR"*
As someone who is usually region blocked due to my country I find it ridiculous that people genuinely expect me to pay for a service with 3 anime I want to watch on it and then there's a big chance those anime will be region blocked.
And so now I'm expected to also pay for a VPN on top of the normal subscription just to access the service I'm paying for? Are you kidding? Of course there's also the fact that I'm not employed and have 0 income but the idea of this boggles my mind.
Joey: “Jojo brings people together”
*Yeah it really brings people together*
stand users attract each other
Do you believe in Gravity?
Avdol and Joseph would agree 100%
@@WalrusChomps2 I was gonna write that
I just watched that episode and I got that reference my g
*Connor:* "Give me the worst best girl"
*Garnt:* "Nina"
*Audience:* "ok"
Code Geass Nina? Or FMA?
@@fukkendermohammed Code geass.
*Table flashbacks*
The fact that people have to use a vpn to use crunchyroll or other streaming services to their full extent is part of the problem (and even when you do, you arent getting all the shows you want cause you would need to subscribe to multiple services). You are already paying for a service(s), now you need to pay for a vpn to use it to its full extent. And a lot of the time the servers that the pirates operate honestly work better than the official streaming services that i have had experience with. It just sucks that we have to do these things. I wouldn't mind paying full price for a good service, but I'd rather just pirate and then buy hard copies/merch of the anime I like. I do the same for other mediums outside of anime too. Just sucks how the industry works. Most of the people around me love supporting the industry. Hopefully I don't come across like a cunt, or entitled cause I buy merch. I honestly am not trying to ride on a "merch- buying" high horse, but I'm just trying to make the best of what situation I'm in with the information I know. If better ways come out to support I will definitely support and share with the people I know.
That's the best workaround for you and a lot of other people, and honestly it shouldn't have been. I agree with the arguments of having to use a vpn just to watch on what's essentially the same platform. Want to force me to pay for my anime, make it super convenient for me.
Don't charge me and then say "oh sorry we don't have that anime here".
The reason he needs a VPN is because crunchy roll is just unavailable for japan
Anime isn't accessible in every country, thats why it became so big, doesn't take much to understand it really.
Even here in the UK, not every anime is available, unless its a shonen or quite popular enough already to go on crunchyroll/funimationnow.
Ikr these guys just say piracy is bad we know it's bad but we must do it because we don't have access. They're also start watching anime with pirate site what a bunch if Hypocrite
I know right! I brought expressvpn just so I could skip around through different countries to find ones that work xD
We start doing privacy as kid when you grow up you should just bloody stop it.
@@MrJMB122 I actually try to support the industry wherever I can . If you don't have money don't stop
@@mad8324 the hypocrite argument only works if the person being called a hypocrite doesn't admit what they did\are doing is wrong. I have pirated stuff before and now I don't and push anti piracy and support the industry as much as I can.
One thing people go over is that children cant choose to pay, they cant convince their parents to pay for 3 different services to watch anime even if the parents can afford it, so without piracy those kids will never get into anime
Yea, hopefully over time the anime fans of today will be able and willing to pay for those services for their kids
@@Aergia1194 I wanted to pay for anime but every single show is country restricted. This is why I just use aniwatch dot me.
@@luxeayt6694 yeah, I totally get that. And you could use a VPN but that's also adding an additional cost.
In this day and Age a mass Majority of people have Hulu &/or Netflix and those have anime on them
I'm not saying everyone has it ik people can't afford it
I have both + My friends Crunchyroll and i still Pirate lmao
@@thejoker5755 I use my friends crunchyroll but pirate if i can't watch legally I try my hardest to not pirate but sometimes u gotta do what u gotta do
The Bois back at it again. Good content
Heck yeah
Anime piracy will always have branding power as long as the "Not available in your country" blocker appears and the viewer doesn't have bandwidth or money to use a VPN effectively.
yeah that's definitely a factor
piracy also provides alternatives to bad localizations,
it provides alternatives to supporting a company you don't want to support
and it also provides you with access to media simply not released in the west or outside of japan
@@tictacterminator
* About 30-40% of pirate site traffic comes from the US and Japan, where regional unavailability isn't an issue.
* The vast majority of pirates consume 1:1 rips of legal streams with the same translations.
* Since pirate sites are dependent on legal sites for their videos and translations, pirates are just having other people's money support their hated companies for them.
* As seen by the view counts on illegal sites, the vast majority of users are there to watch the same recent/popular stuff and the evergreen classics that are legally available (at least in certain regions), not the old/obscure stuff that's never been officially licensed or translated.
"Actively shaming people will just push them away to the other side"
Politics: I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that
@Lean Walhalla I wish it was only Twitter. Try living in a political household and being even slightly off the accepted standard.
"If someone is broke as f*ck I won't shame them"
Thank you so much for not shaming us for something that's beyond our control.
If you live in Asia/Vietnam/Hongkong, there's this channel called Muse Asia/Vietnam/Hongkong in youtube, they're legal to stream anime, to pay it is to just watch. Sadly if you're not in any of those regions, you might have to rely on piracy for now.
@@AquilaPainWhy yeah but very few anime though
@@AquilaPainWhy dang i don't even live there-
@@zero-gj4ql yea, basically like crunchyroll
Get a Job
I'm still at the beginning of the vid so I'm not sure if they discuss it later, but the service delivery issue is still prevalent in the anime industry as it comes in with certain sites region locking content (like funimation) and then certain services getting exclusive deals for anime streaming. Like in the past it used to be crunchyroll for everything and then now it's split between multiple providers like crunchyroll, funimation and Netflix. Couple that with the region locking crap and then add in the fees you'd need to pay for all of those sites just to keep up with your favorite anime and the average income of all the weebs in the world (which should approximately be a students minimum wage) and you'll understand why piracy is still popular for anime and other things in general. Support the official release where you can, but sometimes it's not possible.
If i would have every streaming service to watch anime on i would be broke.
Agreed
Plus, even the things released on dvd cost a fortune. Some anime dvd/blurays cost anywhere between £25-£45, for either 12 or 24 episodes, nevermind the long running series which cost double that. Similar goes with manga, one volume is £8 (give or take) and if the series has 25 volumes? Fortune already, even for 10 volumes
@@OroHoneyLemon I personally avoid any blurays or DvDs unless it's a movie because of this same reason. I'd much rather purchase a Manga as even if a volume is 8 bucks, I'd still be able to buy atleast 3-6 volumes for the price of one blu-ray/DVD that'll probably either cover the same amount of material or less. If I need to watch the anime then I weigh my options based on the provider/streaming service or wait for the DvDs/Blurays to go on sale but mostly pirate
@@OroHoneyLemon in Germany most Anime DVD releases go with 4episodes priced around 30€-40€ per DVD/BluRay and extremly shitty quality
I`m Russian and i`ve never heard about "Kiss Anime" so as all my friends......
Ну у нас свои аналог Анидаб)
@@irabondar526 ну, это да👍
У нас другие сайты пару лет назад банили когда один придурок купил пару прав чтобы остаться единственным сайтом аниме
Недавно этот сайт «упал» во время премьеры Атаки титанов. Наверное на сайт вошли не 3 человека как обычно, а 9 XD
Kissanime went though every country. Literally is was so funny lol, you’d have to google kiss anime because they would change their domain weekly. Ru last a really really long time, after ru is when they really started changing it frequently
Let's face it if it wasn't for anime piracy most of us wouldn't be watching anime now. It's also probably why anime is as popular as it is in the west.
Totally true
Nah😅 we had a TV -Channel that was just Anime for the whole day, awesoooome
They have become the worst Trash TVChannel in the whole country. 😢
@@IlloyedKater rtl2 or is this a trend outside of germany as well?
truth!
Th but it's not a good thing because you are taking money from the creators pocket making the budget lower and the chance of not getting another season
Garnt: Look at all this detail on the figure.
Me*watching in 144p to save data*: I'll take your word for it
Lol used to me be I feel your pain
Lemme guess, we're all indians
dude im only listening on the god damn thing lol
Piracy is very important for entertainment in 3rd world countries. People have the balls ridiculing us for not consuming their products the legal way when we don't even have that right. Even when we can, there's also the confusing inflation rate. The $5 money that seems to be normal pricing for most products in the West is considered expensive when converted to local prices, and enough to feed an entire family for one day. Not to mention the internet services. There is no need to sacrifice food and shelter for expensive entertainment when we can just get them for free, albeit lower quality, but satisfying enough to keep us happy. We just can't afford it.
It's also the only way to preserve lost franchises once trademarks and copyrights expire. There's a lot of series almost not available through digital and physical means anymore. There's no guarantee that the companies themselves can have a clean copy stored somewhere in their offices all the time. I have no qualms for people against illegal distribution, but at the very least, pirates can keep a series away from oblivion.
So yeah.
Exactly, people don't understand that without piracy thousands of shows will be unavaible forever. It plays a huge role preserving culture
@@ugipunto13 I hate it when people sit in their enclosed circle and project their ideas and views of how they think people believe (usually broke or don't want to pay because they're greedy) onto the opposition. It's simply arrogant if you ask me
yes this is so true that $5 is my salary in a single day so i just rely on piracy sites to watch my anime
You have summarized it in a very proper manner.
True
Joey grinning as they complain about not having subtitles will never get old. It's the funniest thing to me. xD
I feel like piracy is a necessity for those in the younger demographic. Younger children in the west will generally not be allowed to watch anime through a regular streaming service such as crunchyroll or funimation because their parents/guardians are not willing to pay for them, and they (in most cases) are unable to pay for their own account. So, they are only left to either pirate anime, or to just not watch any.
At some point if the child is too young to pay for like crunchyroll then it's better that they don't have access to something like hunter x hunter or high school dxd on an illegal site. They have Pokemon on TV and a bunch of anime aimed for children on Netflix for kids
Unfortunately I can't Watch one piece on my amazon, netflix or funimation subscription. And it isn't on crunchyroll.
Until a couple years ago if I has asked my parents for money to watch anime they would have brought out the belt.
They'll just say stop watching and punish me for watching in tbr first place
Oh also, most shit on Crunchyroll is free with ads except for like the newest episode of the show if it's currently airing
Very true. When I was younger mom would’ve never bought me a streaming service I’d likely be the only one using. Especially if it had those weird cartoons on it. Maybe if I was a young child she might be able to justify it like parents might for Disney+ today, but as 12-13 year old. Yeah no. The only thing I’d be able to watch anime on if it existed back then, we had it back then, and it had anime on it would be Netflix because that has other stuff my mother or other family members might watch. A specialized service that only I would watch would be an automatic no. My mom also thought I was too old for cartoons when I was 12. I think she gave me some shit for watching Avatar at 10 or 11 too. My only options would’ve been cable tv or online piracy. Netflix was also a mail in subscription service until I think 2008 (the year I would’ve been 12). There was no anime on Netflix to my knowledge until many years later. Netflix wasn’t an option then, but if I was born later perhaps Netflix could’ve been an option. Though my family were never big fans of Netflix either and didn’t get it until it was in practically every home. Not until they couldn’t escape Netflix’s reach.
I just realised Mike is looking under that Beautiful Female Figurine's Skirt
Who is mike?
@@mohammedalkhulaifi2084 from monsters Inc🤣
@@mohammedalkhulaifi2084 mike wazowski from monster Inc. , that green figurine.
Side note:Go watch monster inc. its really good.
Raunak Sinha ohhh alright
Oh my word😂
Joey flexing:
" I don't have that problem"
Connor:
"Everyone drinks before they turn 18"
Me, now 19:
_*insert Vision meme *_
Maybe I am a nobody.
The thing about "official" anime sites is that, from where I live the catalogs are always around 50 animes, which are either crappy or I've already seen. My only options are paying multiple anime sites or vpn on top of that, or go onto an unofficial source and get any and every anime. why would I ever chose to pay a sub par service for the same price as any other people
yeah so that's why I just don't understand why it's impossible to have one legal streaming service for most anime like it would literally benefit everyone
Living in Europe as a weeb: Has a Crunchyroll account and pirates anything else that isn't on Crunchyroll. Why? We don't have any other legal streaming sites.
There's a decent collection in Netflix and Prime (not so much here). But then you have to pay for those. Goddamn.
Well depending on where you live in Europe there is also Wakanim which basically has the Funimation exclusive shows.
@@BetterThanYou96 Even then, there is still *a lot* of shows that aren't available on Netflix, Amazon or CR.
There isn't worse feeling than wanting to watch one random show, but it's nowhere to be found. Then you find out it's on Funimation (or any other America exclusive.)
And getting your hands on manga or LN is 20x harder. *internal suffering*
@@danielbrugovsky6018 Yeah you're absolutely right. Especially when it comes to classic, nothing can be found. Besides, I'm still a student. I can't afford to pay like that. At least Europe gives Amazon Prime free for a year for students.
@@BetterThanYou96 They deadass do? I never heard about that. Maybe my country is left out of it.
''why are people sad?'' Personally, almost 10 years of archived anime. The amount of anime that's either hard to acess or straight up unavailable that was in that site was nuts. Also, if you went to Kissanime with no adblockers I dunno what to tell you.
Yeah, the adblocker solved the ad problem
It's kind of shocking how few people actually use ad blockers considering how effective they are.
Yeah ikr!! Vpn is popular lot of ppl are using them but they dont know about adblock plus and alternatives
The library in KA was huge (many OVAs and old stuff) and the comment section being really active was a great thing but a lot of the people mourning the loss didn't even talk bout them. Imo most of the people complaining were just straight up people who never heard of anything outside of KA and knew next to nothing regarding piracy in general.
1. Also fuck big anime 'news' pages on FB and Twitter for spreading straight up bullshit regarding the copyright law saying there'll be legal consequences for using pirate websites and in 2021 other sites will be taken down (it's bs if you actually check the revision). This fueled so much of the fire that happened due to KA shutting down.
2. Some were sad that they lost their bookmarks (this is why you use MAL/Anilist or something).
3. The service issue may not be a too big in the west but holy shit is it horrible here in South Asia. I'd guess it's also horrible in many SEA countries, Middle East, and Africa. I've even heard it's trash in some European countries. It's improving atleast in SEA though since you can watch seasonals and some shows on YT channels such as Anione or Muse Asia. I'm guessing they'll become massive in a few years time.
4. There's an issue of conversion in currency which many people don't seem to get when regarding people who pirate. For countries with low per capita income, a single subscription would be maybe 5-10% of their monthly income and yet you'd need to use a VPN. Adding to that using a VPN with meh internet speeds makes it just a bad experience.
5. Hence streaming sites are so popular since if you have an adblock or use sites without ads (aniwatch or twist) since it's free, more convenient and you can find old stuff as well.
6. Torrenting will always exist but it's not really easy for people who want to torrent with download speeds in the kbps range.
Manga piracy is a different beast since it's basically in the same state with fansubs for anime 10-15 years ago with a lot of stuff having no official translation weekly. Paying for manga online officially is really expensive. Also buying volumes is expensive in the west and basically unaffordable for a normal person in many countries.
Whatever anime were archived on kissanime I guarantee are also available elsewhere
1:09:08 😭 Connor’s expression is me. I have a hard time “selling” myself in writing, cause tbh I don’t know myself much. I was writing a mock resume for something and I had to write about myself, and I asked my boss, and he said “basically brag about yourself”, and I said “but I can’t. I can’t lie about myself!
I thought Meilyn was gonna be this old black haired Japanese yakuza woman.
Bro y?
R6 - FaZe WarBreaker same, I pictured her as Japanese and black haired, this is more fun tho
@@modelgio360 because of how the bois described her.
The reality: Chika from Kaguya sama
@ M P
Expectation: Kaguya-sama
Connor: I would never trust a Love Liver
*ProZD exists as a hardcore Love Liver*
Also Connor: ProZd is a really cool guy
👀
being a love liver and a voice actor cancel each other out in Connors's monkey brain eyes
Yo I wonder if they would ever get sungwon out to the studio to do a podcast episode with him
what is a love liver
@@AmonsRealm a love liver is someone who is a fan of the anime girl idol group franchise, "Love Live!". theres an anime series, manga, video games, etc.
Supgamer thanks for letting me know
She says "Well, Japan is an island..."
and Connor's like, "yea..."
And I'm just waiting for Connor to be like, "GB is an island, too"
The whole world is an island😊
@@kiyopon5654 ....woah man, that's deep.
@@kiyopon5654 The continents are just oversized land masses.
Kiss from Russia, we watch you. We know you.
This video was translated on russian few days ago, that's why there are a lot of russian comments💜
it's not that I want to pirate, in my country it's really hard to get a legal anime streaming service. Even Netflix, a popular streaming service is heavily censored in my place. Then, in crunchyroll there are lots of anime that are not available in my country. So again, I had to pirate because of the censorship + lack of streaming service getting into my country.
Also thanks for understanding the reason why people pirate, really awesome podcast and I've been enjoying all the podcast lately!
That’s true in my country too. Anime streaming service like funimation isnt available in my country. crunchyroll is available but the choices are limited. Anime blu ray isnt even available here. I mean, I would pay if it is available, but I have no choice. Anime is not really accessible in some countries.
The same with me
Can I interest you in a VPN service then? country bans don't count if your ISP is in another country.
@@dayko. Ah. Grand.
I agree with this statement so much. My country selection of Netflix is so limited that I have to resort to piracy all the time. That's why somehow to sort my conscience I bought a lot of manga from my own pocket money when I visit to Japan.
About the kissanime ban, even if there are a dozen other sites, kissanime is the reason a lot of us weebs could actually get into anime.
It makes me emotional cause this is kind of like an end of an era
It's not an end tho lol.
@@mryellow6918 true dat
@AbanG GedanG Never really used kissanime. Sure it's your home, but that home is full of filthy trash.
@@_simon.s_ Such as?
Con D Oriano I still think it’s gonna pop up again somehow.
“Piracy is a service problem.”
Valve’s Gabe Newell said that years ago, touting the success of Steam, his online video game distribution service The premise is that while piracy is appealing because it’s free, it’s also appealing because it’s easy.
Plus the exclusivity.... oh u want to watch this anime legaly? U can only watch it in netflix.. that anime only in crunchyroll.... pirate mode on!!!
I think the biggest example is the Music Industry, music piracy is pretty much dead bcuz there's no reason to pirate when the industry offers such amazing services like UA-cam, Spotify and Apple Music, they literally mad it so the bar to hearing your favorite song at any time is an internet connection and for $6 month you can take it anywhere
@@skellez Well not every song because there are some spotify doesn't have but yeah its accessible now
@@skellez They pretty much are a legal version of piracy though. They dont pay artist shit.
Preach.
If there was a legal site that has a library of anime and manga like the kiss sites and is accessible worldwide I'd be willing to bet piracy will die out overnight.
Да, у вас много фанатов из России, потому что есть прекрасный перевод от Джо Шизо
Люблю ваши подкасты
The Bois: who’s using kiss anime in 2020?
Me: Surprised Pikachu Face
i mean they have a point
Me who was in the middle of watching fruits basket s1 with my mom on kissanime when it got shut down 👀
Zero 'O Clock wtf bro, your mom doesn't mind the hentai ads? I used an ad blocker on it but the captcha is such a pain and half the time the servers wouldnt work. Kissanime was so much better 5 years ago.
@@betterhansin She didnt actually! I warned her about ads and it was golden. But I did find an ad blocker that Kissanime somehow didn't pick up a month before kissanime closed lol.
My mom hated the captcha more than anything actually lol but honestly I preffered it to the Google "pick the blocks with street lights" version because it takes so much time and you have no clue what they count as a street light so you may just fail and have to start again. The kissanine Captcha legit took 5 seconds tops it was very straightforward.
@@ZeroOhClock I remember getting really good at it too, the highest number would always be to the right and it saved like 3 seconds to look at only half the pictures and get it right lol
PAIN.
REGRET.
KISSANIME.
GONE.
I spent my first and current, 3 years on kissanime.
I made over 10,000 comments on anime episodes and loved the community there.
The trash hentai ads. The awful CAPTCHA tests, the asshole moderators. But they uploaded EVERYTHING. Even the most obscure anime. It was bad, but it was OUR BAD anime site.
Rest In Peace KISSANIME.
*You helped me get into anime. If not, I wouldn’t be even watching this video.*
Yea mann they even uploaded those kind of anime that doesn't even have colour yet.
I loved hitting the random button and laughing at the weird shit popping up
KissAnime got me through 8th grade and all of high school
*_SKIP THIS (HydraX)_*
@@RimuKora Beta server existed though. no ads on that
1:23:57
Joey: "Oh, i like Berserk."
Publisher/editor of Berserk: "Hello there."
Joey: Pog champ face
You mean Joey right? XD
@@AliceWWND
Am i big dumb? I think i'm big dumb. but after the magic of editing, ill seem smarter
Jack The Lucario Haha ^^
Editing can fix it all 😝
Народ который понимает меня, это немного странно строчить комментарии под выпуском который вышел 3 месяца назад 🤣
Панимаю
Что поделать, если перевод вышел пару часов назад. Отстаём от графика, так сказать
@@Renkazata написать к актуальному выпуску???
серьезно?!
Наверное
Reasons I pirate anime:
-western liscensing is ass, I shouldn't have to pay for 5 different subscription services to be able to watch all of the shows in a season. I pay for crunchyroll, but about 50% of the time, the show I wanna watch isn't on crunchyroll
-Year or longer turnaround times for being able to watch certain anime movies
-Bluray releases not being posted on streaming sites, such as uncensored or re-subtitled versions
I TRY to buy it legally whenever I can, but companies fighting for liscensing rights in the west just makes it so fucking difficult and annoying to find the right place to watch the show you wanna watch
Not mentioning some shows having one season on one site and the other seasons on others
That's not even an exclusively western thing, licensing is a bitch most places.
Can you give me websites
welcome to 21st century
@couchpotato 25 I'm pretty sure that doesn't help when the license to an anime is owned by other subscription sites, such as Amazon Prime or Hulu. That only helps when certain anime are not available in your country.
I just realized Meilyne eyebrows are also pink. She is actually an anime character confirmed?
Thanks to you I realized that it isn't her natural hair color. After like watching for half hour... :)
The main reason piracy is still needed is simple: Licensing. I watched s1 of Kaguya on Crunchyroll. I pay for crunchyroll. I'm not ALSO paying for funimation because funimation decided to buy the rights to exclusuvely stream Kaguya season 2 :/
+ Netflix doesn't release shows until the end of the seasons, All the discussions and stuff are over :/
Plus their service is not even available worldwide, even if I wanted to pay, the only way for me to watch Kaguya s2 was to pirate it.
In my country Kaguya season 2 was released weekly but 2 weeks later, which sucks.
This is the problem, people always think competition is the way forward, but then attributes license exclusivity to competition, which is not. When I have to buy 2 services to watch the things I like, in what world is this competition when the 2 companies aren't even competing for my money. They're monopolising 3rd part IP to force me into buying 2 or more services. Hearing people who are always sponsored by legal streaming -sights- sites* trying to sound unbaised is really cringe. We all know why you can't condone piracy stop beating around the bush
@@seasesh4073 That applies to the gaming industry
SeaSesh same problem with the regular series. I don't really have a way where I can legally watch them (sometimes because of missing subtitles, sometimes because of missing availability)
Хах, а ребятки то подметил, что у них куча зрителей из России. Жаль, что они не упомянули ещё про то, что есть такой прекрасный канал как ДжоШизо, который их ещё и переводит.
Да сказали они что есть такой канал с собакой на аватарке.
@@mr_insider2060 а где именно они подметили?
@@lubomyrmyronyuk7074 4:48
Вроде не говорили. Они говорят: dot R U, а не dog.
Коннор еще сказал, что выпускается русский дубляж ("We have a Russian dub")
I'm from Brazil, most of my friends don't have the privilege of being able to pay for streaming services, but they do try to support the creators by buying manga and other products, one in a while.
Conner: "Japanese Neflix, Why Don't You Have English Subtitles!?!?"
Joey: *Cocky That He Can Speak Japanese!*
"I Don't Have That Problem!"
ExpressVPN: Allow me to introduce myself
Imperial Knight I've Seen ExpressVPN Sponsored
In There Videos, But Does Japanese Neflix Have
English Subtitles?
@@MollyDollyy774 it does, you've got to set interface language to english
Conner: "Motherforker"!
That's the ultimate flex
I really do appreciate when Connor goes off to start a tangent about whatever. No lie, I'd probably watch a whole video of him just going off about a topic
Next to his storytimes, I think that those are some of my fav moments of the podcast
I NEED to know more about Mexican food in Japan
52:00 This add is the best thing I have seen all week.
I always skip adds and sponsorship in YT videos, except those on Trash Taste because they are simply too hilarious!
I like that Giguk's whole body shakes when he laughs lolz IDK why just funny as shit. It's like when a puppet from sesame street laughs. Their whole body is moving.
Sometimes I think he forces a laugh 😅
Yeah it's like he's trying to be funny
@@soseikiharagatatsu7859 Exactly! 😅
yeah I have friends that laughs like that. makes the conversation 10 times funnier
Roturix I'd be inclined to agree however I can relate with an involuntary action when I laugh. I fucking snort like a pig when I laugh. So I get it