@@GardenerEarthGuy$60 is my minimum. But you have to remember this was the early 00’s, and a lot of those customers were old NJ ginzos who pinch every penny, so $20 was probably about right.
@@PotatoPoro This right here is the tell what he is saying is absolute bullshit hyperbole on Phil's part. The Shah was a made guy in the can, if he wanted manicotti he would have had manicotti. And he sure as hell was not whacking off in a tissue either. Most likely would have had conjugal visits, or, if he was a fanuch, had some nancy-boy who would drive his silly face into the mattress on occasion.
Feech was a problem because his methods were outdated. Beating a guy senseless and breaking his arm over mere pennies and making shadow moves against Tony were a clear dign of trouble.
It's funny I never realized it at the time, but in some ways the show is about how the Mob is about to be finished, and the guys coming out of prison seem like they're accelerating that, but really they're the ones doing it right. Either way their time is over, but the subtler modern approach the viewer thinks is safer, is like lighting yourself on fire but making sure your hair is wet first. You instinctively are furious when Richie runs over beansy, but Tony has put people in far worse positions, he just didn't shatter their pelvis.
Feech's bus ride back was one of the most emptionally impactful moments to me. Imagining the thoughts running through his head as the jersey suburbs pass him by, literally throw him back in the can.
Crazy how Feech was a young man in his 20s when Paulie was probably born and then in his 40s when Paulie was entering the mob in his early 20s. It makes sense how he can just scream at him without a second thought and then triples down.
Feech never got over the fact that Tony robbed his card game, got away with and ended up as boss. He was a great character. I understand the logic of Tony setting him up but it seemed it of place for the mafia. Also, wouldn’t Feech suspect that he was set up?
He didn’t care about Tony having robbed his card game once. He just couldn’t fit. The people he knew were all dead, except for Junior. It was hard to take the others seriously.
Feech is a good bridge for old Mafia and new Mafia. We see this new Mafia not care about codes of silence, killing bosses and flipping. It’s less about ‘this thing of ours’ and more about money. Which is most apparent in the last two episodes.
I think you mean the opposite sir? The NEW mafia cares less about the principles (Vito being gay) and more about the money, While the OLD mafia cares more about the rules (like not killing bosses) and less about the money (missing the bigger picture, like Feech and Richie)
@@MrSybrendevriesTrue except the whole no killing bosses thing was never really a thing, bosses have been getting clipped since the 1930s & u cant really go through any decade without notable boss hits. Never really made sense for Phil to say that just more “old school bullshit”
Squabbling with Paulie for a piece of the neighborhood landscapers, we see him as he is - petty and resentful, an out-of-touch relic, still trying to run twopenny scams from the 1970s. But their subculture reveres the past and its lost glory days, these guys absolutely live for "remember when", and the namedrop stories of the old-timers. Add in the Old Country mystique (made on the other side), the juice from doing hard time without flipping, and he's got a lot of soft power in the organisation - even the young guys appear to hang on his every word. He was much more well-liked than Richie Aprile, and growing in confidence in his challenges to Tony. Even though he was a ridiculous and insecure old man, he was a real threat.
It was Richie Aprile's attempted insurrection that doomed Feech. It's unclear whether Feech would have tried to take Tony out. He may have been too old school for that. But after Richie, Tony couldn't take that chance. So he did what he had to do, much like Gary Cooper, who, I think I heard somewhere, faced down the Miller gang all by himself.
Not ratting to save your own skin might be seen as old school, but killing your boss to take his place is about as old school as it gets. Feech would have made a move.
I didn't even recognise him at first, but yeah, great casting. He has this constant look of rage and incomprehension, which perfectly suits the character.
Feech could have seen his release from prison as a blessing. Could have left "the life" completely, after discovering "the life" had left him, but chose not too. His ego, lack of situational awareness was his undoing.
I always liked feech. I think because he reminded me of my wife's grandpa (my wife is italian). While he obviously isnt as violent as feech, his mannerisms are almost identical; a hard man from the "old country"
Robert Loggia was a superlative actor - An Officer and a Gentleman; Scarface; Big; Jagged Edge;, Prizzi's Honor; Necessary Roughness, Holy Man, and many more that you may have seen. He started getting film roles in the 50's and stayed active until his death in 2015 - but the 80's were clearly his peak.
@@mauricehamilton4025 Did you think the little list, above, was supposed to be complete? And, that is a partial list of MOVIES. If you are going to eff with me, it's best to come correct.
The fate of Feech is, among many things, since I kinda think I understand the mindset David Chase is approaching this narrative from, simultaneously an indictment of the mobster’s criminality and the future it built going forward in the same way AJ acts as an indictment of the future Tony’s building; it’s all in the generational aspect, that is a core part of the show itself. Feech is the ultimate fate of the mobster who lives to die of old age; nothing is truly awarded him, he sees no position for his loyalty, he’s expendable and a pain in the ass of the new generation who won’t hesitate to get rid of him if he challenges their leadership or gets too demanding or disrespectful. Phil tried to rebel against that and was crushed by the new world around him on all sides.
Very good observation. One thing I always found ironic here is that Feech and Phil also come from a generation who overthrew the old “Mustache Petes” in the mafia as they thought their code of “honor” and way of doing things got in the way of them making money. Only to have the next generation do it to them. Out of all the “old school” mobsters in the show, the only one who got off easy was Carmine Lupertazi, granted he didn’t exactly die in a dignified way but compared to Phil (killed in front of his wife and grandkids), Feech (back in Jail), Paulie (alone and miserable), Junior (Alzheimers in a jail facility), he got off easy.
Real talk though, one of the major themes of the show is the generational decline of the mob, and one of the aspects of that theme are that the guys who spent 20 fuckin' years in the can have trouble adjusting to the changing face of the mob and seek to change it back to how it was, which usually ends in disaster. The only exception is Tony B, who mostly reflects another major theme of the show, that being that these guys are pretty much irredeemable and despite attempts to go straight, the life of a regular person has difficulties they refuse to face.
@@jonsweeney4347I disagree with your perspective about tony B. I think his storyline is more about how hard it is for people to go straight when everyone around you is pulling you down. He's constantly looked down on and belittled for trying to live as a civilian because his entire social circle are crooks. It's less he's irredeemable, and more a tragic outcome of his environment.
@@Nanook128 I dont agree. Sure his social group were all crooks, but they wanted to bring him back in immediately and he refused. He didnt start to backslide until he had trouble with the laundry job, and when fate literally drops a THIRD chance in his lap with the found drug money, he squanders it almost immediately. He had MULTIPLE chances to turn his life around but the second it got a little difficult to do so he gave up.
"He may have challenged Tony's authority at times, but at least be never betrayed his oath." Challenging the boss's authority is a betrayal of the oath, just a different part.
Exactly, questioning leadership is exactly what gets guys to start a coup. That’s exactly what Richie tried to do, but like Jr said “He couldn’t sell it”. That’s why he sold him out to Tony in the Drs office. Tony didn’t need that to happen again so that’s why he sent Feech back to jail. Feech had the backing and the strength to take on Tony if he wanted. He was respected and feared, plus he stood up and did his time. Which def would’ve made people confident he could be boss.
Feech was dangerous-making deals over Tony's head (like the stolen cars racket). He would also turn informant to save himself-Tony was vert wise to set him up.
In the very first episode, season 1, pilot episode. Tony is narating and says " my father never reached the heights that i did" implying that his dad was just a foot soldier, but later they would say to junior.... You and your brother used to run north jersey!
I think Tony was referring moreso to the fact that he made a lot more money than his father ever did, even though his father was a high-ranking mafioso.
It was also important to feed Junior's ego and show respect, at least to his face. Tony is well aware of how Junior can hold a grudge. Also what he's capable of if angered or feels threatened.
Before washing the video, I would assume the reason why feet Feech had so problems was because he just came back after 20 years in the can and the man that rob them is now boss, as he is unable to get his jobs that he originally had only to be turned away
This is why I contend that Phil was not gay it was just the style of these old school guys to be ornery. They lost serious years being behind bars and felt they were owed. They also felt frustrated and stifled by the current world. Lots of guys flipping instead of doing the time like they did, and the much heavier presence of law enforcement which prevents them from being able to behave with reckless abandon like they could’ve done 30 years prior. Feech is just like Phil or Richie he wants what he thinks is coming to him and he hates that he has to take orders from Tony.
There's nothing here about Feech disobeying Tony and organising the big auto heist at Dr. Fried's daughter's wedding, and the entire conflict between Paulie and Feech regarding Sal Vitro is glossed over in two seconds. This is just a summary of Feech's character arc, not an examination of 'what his problem' was.
Although Feech is just a fictional character, like all of them, I got no sympathy for him being set up. That man was a loose canon or best said a weapon not allowed anymore in war games. He is one super mean grandpa and that is an understatement. So he deserved this forced karma. That being said, it is twisted to sympathize with ANY mobster.
dude the clip i can't even type out that you played after promoting your patreon, my sides are in orbit. i haven't laughed that hard at a youtube video in forever.
Interesting, this is the first time I've heard a different version of events detailing why Feech was only on the show a few episodes. Everywhere else tells the story of Robert Loggia and his early onset medical issues getting him written off early like it was gospel.
Same shit with Robin Williams. "Oh ... poor Robin! He topped himself cos he was soooo sad! Poor man!". Winds me up! Guy offed himself cos the Quack said "You're fkked, incurable terminal and rapidly degenerative dementia. 2 years to live, but in 6 months you won't know your kids names and you'll shit yourself every day!". Still can't stop the moronic public from remembering and celebrating Robin the wrong way.
Agreed. Feech and Richie were the best 2 on the whole show. I’m not that big on carmine jr. He was level headed and rational but he didn’t really bring anything extra to the show like Ritchie and feech.
@@jakepadgett5569 Hey man, yeah IO see what youre saying, I just liked Carmine because he is funny as hell, plus possibly the only one in the entire show who got out with the skin of his balls intact. But yes, I see your point.
He wanted things to stay as they were before he went to prison but he got out and found a new younger generation doing things differently, and he couldnt cope. He tried to force it, and he got taught a lesson. Out with the old, in with the new....
I've seen Kino in his live video, so I know it's not him, but his voiceover sound always puts me in the mind of John Sacramony's brother in law. They sound identical😂
Tony often complains about the way the mafia is going and how it’s hard to find old school guys that keep to traditions but look at how he treats those guys when he finds them. Like he said in the beginning his father never reached the heights that he did but in some ways he had it better. Back then these guys maybe didn’t make as much money they’re making now but they had a better quality of life somewhat because guys were less about themselves and more about the family. If a guy went away he kept his mouth shut and those on the outside made sure his family was taken care of while he was gone and he could hopefully get back whatever he had while he was away. As much as tony talks about how much he likes that and how he wishes that things could go back to that he’d be quick to flip if facing a long stretch, if a guy went away he’d be quick to take over whatever he had and keep the money and not give a damn about the guys family and he’d probably see it as totally out of line if the guys wife or kid or something came to tony asking for money that rightfully belonged to the guy doing time because tony would see it as his because like Christopher said he preaches all this wise guy shit but expects everyone else to follow the rules even though he doesn’t.
It reminds me of what happens to Henry’s family in Goodfellas when he goes in the can. Henry starts dealing drugs because no one in the crew is putting food on the table when he goes inside…
Tony wants, assumes he deserves, the respect and loyalty due an old boss because he is a boss. If Feech hadn't been in prison, Tony would be in the same position as Big Pussy or Pauli. And do just as much bitching about being treated as an errand boy.
I just wanna let you know that I really appreciate your weekly upload schedule. It's great to have a new Sopranos/Breaking Bad video to digest every week from the legend himself. Good work!
I had a theory that it was Feech that ordered Tony's hit from prison for revenge. I was wrong. It was ordered by Butchie, with the photo of AJ's girlfriend on the wall of his beauty parlor as proof. Chase & Co. left us these clues. It was up to us to pay attention to them. Cheers Kino. (I did catch the flub with the Executive game. I doubt Johnny Boy & Junior ever reported to Feech or else it would have been canon. )
You can't claim on the one hand to be "old-school" then turn around and disrespect the boss. There were many young bosses is Mafia history, every boss does not look like Marlon Brando in the Godfather. TBH I was somewhat disappointed in the Feech story line, he was more comedic relief than anything else. Now Steve Buscemi, his character should have been expanded at least another season and I would have loved to see Burt Ward's character in a few more episodes, possibly in flashbacks.
The problem with guys like Feech and Richie Aprile were they probably would have become the boss if they weren't imprisoned unlike old timers like Junior and Pauly who would never be considered.
You used the term "pinched"! That's an old Boston term for getting arrested...the police used to have a restraint device that was like a clamp-it "inched" your wrist.
what i love about his character is how the writers weaved him into the story as far back as season 3, this kind of foresight makes for some compelling world building.
You're correct. In the old days, you'd be given a choice. You could choose the pasture at a no show job OR go through reeducation to learn about all the new people and operations. You MIGHT get your level back but you'd definitely return at some leadership position if you had one. Now, you're rolled out or dead.
One thing I never understood about the executive game: it's supposed to be the premiere gambling income for the crew, but half of the players shown are usually guys from the De meo crew and the punters are just a few mob-adjacent regulars. Not to mention the dollar amounts they mention, the venue, etc do not seem to indicate that the game is a significant profit source.
It was the premier gambling income. Then, Feech and everybody went to jail in the 80s. Nothing about any of their businesses were ever the same. “I feel like I came in at the end of it.” The fact that Sinatra Jr was there just shows how second rate it was by that point. It just never could attract the same caliber of player as it used to.
Whatever the rake was, for the game, was probably pretty high, seeing how they were playing high stakes. All that to say, I'm sure a generated a decent amount of income but not like Ralphie's scams
I always suspected the addition of Feech later on in the show as an actual character, rather than a name that was referenced, was a decision made down the line rather than season 1. When he was described as a "Old Mustache" who was "Made on the Other side" You are thinking that the man was an Italian from Italy. And Fetch would have, you know, an Italian accent. But he didn't, so there you go.
_And Fetch would have, you know, an Italian accent._ - My thoughts exactly! Unless he was made in the old country as a kid or a teen 😄, he'd've probably sounded more like Furio.
The "Executive Game" isn't the only card game in Jersey, y'know? Feech had his own separate card game the way Richie Aprile and Ralphie had their own games- which were absorbed by Junior went Feech went away. Tony and Jackie Aprile Sr. wouldn't have robbed his own father's card game. Second, they would not have been allowed to get away with robbing the "executive game." That would've killed it right then and there because it would've permanently scared away all the legitimate businessmen high rollers it was held for. They would've got whacked for taking down the "executive game."
I never thought that Feech went back to prison in case he might make a move against Tony. I always thought it was because he was stepping on the toes of and being problematic to the other soldiers who had established earning incomes. As for the parole officer, yes, he was corrupt and working for the family. Which is why Feech was set up. His regular parole officer did not show up. Instead, Tony had their man come to set up Feech and already knew he had the stolen goods in his garage.
Feech is simply an old Goombah, who not only can't change with the times, but, like many in his trade, has "anger management" issues. Also a huge ego, with proved his undoing.
Feech was one of my favorite characters on the show & it’s crazy that he was only in 2 (maybe 3 episodes). But one thing I noticed this round of rewatching the show again (for the 3rd time) was when Tony was talking to Silvio about what to do about Feech right after their heating meeting (“JUST STFU!”) was that Tony looked like he was about to cry when contemplating taking Feech out. Did anyone else notice this? I mean Tony tries his damndest to never show sadness in front of his crew, especially tears (just look at Jonny Sack at Allegra’s wedding, “my estimation of Jonny Sack as a man just f**king plummeted” - Phil Leotardo) but Tony legitimately looks & almost sounds like he’s crying in this scene. I think that’s why Silvio says “don’t be so hard on yourself” bc he clearly sees it too. I guess this was because of the respect Tony had for him, though I definitely don’t think Tony cared about him as a friend or anything like he does about Silvio or Pussy. I was just shocked bc that’s such a substantial thing that no one ever brings up.
A shame about Robert Loggia. He couldn't remember his lines so they had to write him out of the show. James G was very kind to him and patient. Feech was a great character.
Robert Loggia was great at "tough guy" roles, going back to his role as the career swabbie father of Aviation Officer Candidate, later Ensign, Zach "Mayonaise" Mayo, Boatswain's Mate Byron Mayo, who treated his son to a night with a whore after his college graduation.
Same shit happened to Robin Williams. He was on the set of the last Night @ Museum picture, and his PA found him crying, hiding. Told her he couldn't remember his lines. Never happened to him before. She forced him to see the quack. Doctors scanned and tested, told him "You're fkked. Rapid, terminal, degenerative brain disease. In 2 years you're dead, but in 6 months you can't remember your kids names or wipe ur own ass!". So he did the deed. Still can't tell the moronic public though, everyone saying "Poor Robin! He was SAD on the INSIDE! Waaaaah!". Idiots.
I knew a wannabe Greek mobster who said the Italian mob’s mistake is that they so readily kill their own people while the Greek mob “just cuts them off”, however accurate that is…
It's weird cause if Feech was written off for thematic reasons and not because the actor's dementia was advancing then I actually think it was a bad idea. It feels premature and unnecessary cause there was still plenty of interesting story to squeeze that could still end with the same results. Iirc it also is what messed up the Tony B. storyline too so it unnecessarily hurt a whole chunk of the show.
One of the best parts of this show is when there's a continuity issue, I usually assume it's one of the crew spoutting their tale of events to sound important and take credit because everyone ends up doing that to eachother at some point. Everyone in the mob will back stab, and take credit for your accomplishments. Since he went to jail, I'm sure Junior didn't think it was a biggie to take credit for inventing or running the game from its inception because he's not here to say otherwise now to the younger generation.
Tony was smart enough to realize that if he didn't take care of Feech then Tony would be gone as boss. Tony waited too long and Ritchie almost overthrew Tony until the problem took care of itself with Janice shooting Ritchie. So Tony had to get rid of Feech but also not whack him and lose favor with the rest of the other crews. The easy way was do it through a parole violation. Tip off the parole officer of a unscheduled house search and "plant" some stolen TV's. Problem was solved from there.
One of the reasons the old bosses were apposed to getting involved in drugs. The potential prison sentences were long enough that it would cause too many guys to consider turning witness. They all knew most associates that could do 5-10 inside. But they also knew that 25+ was too much for many to take. The potential profits were huge, but narcotics cases are easier to prove, even if they aren't directly involved.
I'm surprised to hear they found Loggia unfit to, and honestly I don't believe it. He's chilling as LaManna, portrays perfectly how terrifying old people can be.
And I doubt Richies input had ABSOLUTELY no effect on the Decision to give His Brother Jackie n Tony a pass, it was Johnny Boy, Junior, NY, Richies input really meant nothing...as Junior would say....HE'S NOT RESPECTED
While Feech and Paulie were fighting over $20 cuts from lawn maintenance jobs, Phil was letting everyone know how he served 20 years in the can.
I don't cut a lawn for less than $50...
@@GardenerEarthGuydidnt ask
@@GardenerEarthGuy Charles Schwab ova here
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@@GardenerEarthGuy$60 is my minimum. But you have to remember this was the early 00’s, and a lot of those customers were old NJ ginzos who pinch every penny, so $20 was probably about right.
Class of 04 is easily the best sopranos storyline . Also if anyone forgot , Phil leotardo did 20 years in the can
how many?
20 years in the can, he wanted manicotti, but he compromised. Ate grilled cheese off the radiator
No kidding? How'd you figure that out, it was never mentioned😅
I never knew that about Phil. He never would say anything about it.
@@PotatoPoro This right here is the tell what he is saying is absolute bullshit hyperbole on Phil's part. The Shah was a made guy in the can, if he wanted manicotti he would have had manicotti. And he sure as hell was not whacking off in a tissue either. Most likely would have had conjugal visits, or, if he was a fanuch, had some nancy-boy who would drive his silly face into the mattress on occasion.
Phil: Constantly reminds to everyone that he served 20 years
Feech: Constantly reminded by everyone that he served 20 years
Tony : Never had the makings of a radiator cheese sandwich.
@@TheVanillatech this joke is tired let it rest now.
@@freidarhealness5216 Quasimodo predicted some idiot would say that.
@@ricktorres2380 Another toothpick...
@@freidarhealness5216 this joke is never old
Feech was a problem because his methods were outdated. Beating a guy senseless and breaking his arm over mere pennies and making shadow moves against Tony were a clear dign of trouble.
also feech wasn’t kicking up his share
@@FedkaSlovanich exactly and in the Mafia that's a death sentence lol.
It's funny I never realized it at the time, but in some ways the show is about how the Mob is about to be finished, and the guys coming out of prison seem like they're accelerating that, but really they're the ones doing it right. Either way their time is over, but the subtler modern approach the viewer thinks is safer, is like lighting yourself on fire but making sure your hair is wet first. You instinctively are furious when Richie runs over beansy, but Tony has put people in far worse positions, he just didn't shatter their pelvis.
@@friedsensei Idk Paulie smothering an old lady to death for no good reason is far and away the most evil thing done in the series I think.
@@tacoman4731 no good reason?
Feech's bus ride back was one of the most emptionally impactful moments to me. Imagining the thoughts running through his head as the jersey suburbs pass him by, literally throw him back in the can.
For sure. I felt his dispare, loneliness. Great scene
It's really sad, but it beats getting whacked.
@@palsyddad not really. I'll take the whack any day.
@@maxxbenzz7842normally, I'd agree, but after doing 20, he's institutionalized. He would back to his routine in the can.
I've taken that bus ride. It's like the real world doesn't exist any more and is just something you're forced to look at on your way to hell.
Crazy how Feech was a young man in his 20s when Paulie was probably born and then in his 40s when Paulie was entering the mob in his early 20s. It makes sense how he can just scream at him without a second thought and then triples down.
Pass me the red peppers
Paulie certainly walked away from that one with a breadstick up his ass
Also it doesn’t matter how old or how long u been around if you’re on an even level or even above a guy u don’t have to worry about shit from them
Yeah I guess if anyone can consider Paulie a kid 🤷♂️ 😂 😂
@aunch3 don't eat that peppa!
Feech never got over the fact that Tony robbed his card game, got away with and ended up as boss. He was a great character. I understand the logic of Tony setting him up but it seemed it of place for the mafia. Also, wouldn’t Feech suspect that he was set up?
Feech knew he was set up. They had the parole officer on the payroll and wouldn't let some random PO do an inspection.
Suspect is charcoal grill for a guy who's going to sit in jail regardless of how he ended up there
Feech definitely knew he was set up. Look at his face when the agent wants to see the garage and insists. He knows right there that he messed up.
He didn’t care about Tony having robbed his card game once. He just couldn’t fit. The people he knew were all dead, except for Junior. It was hard to take the others seriously.
He did, and he knows he cant do anything about it.
Feech is a good bridge for old Mafia and new Mafia. We see this new Mafia not care about codes of silence, killing bosses and flipping. It’s less about ‘this thing of ours’ and more about money. Which is most apparent in the last two episodes.
I think you mean the opposite sir?
The NEW mafia cares less about the principles (Vito being gay) and more about the money,
While the OLD mafia cares more about the rules (like not killing bosses) and less about the money (missing the bigger picture, like Feech and Richie)
@@MrSybrendevries That’s what I meant, that was a typo I corrected it
It was always about money. Both in the new world and the old, the whole notion of "men of honor" is and always was bullshit.
@@MrSybrendevriesThey always cared a lot about the money
@@MrSybrendevriesTrue except the whole no killing bosses thing was never really a thing, bosses have been getting clipped since the 1930s & u cant really go through any decade without notable boss hits. Never really made sense for Phil to say that just more “old school bullshit”
Squabbling with Paulie for a piece of the neighborhood landscapers, we see him as he is - petty and resentful, an out-of-touch relic, still trying to run twopenny scams from the 1970s. But their subculture reveres the past and its lost glory days, these guys absolutely live for "remember when", and the namedrop stories of the old-timers. Add in the Old Country mystique (made on the other side), the juice from doing hard time without flipping, and he's got a lot of soft power in the organisation - even the young guys appear to hang on his every word. He was much more well-liked than Richie Aprile, and growing in confidence in his challenges to Tony. Even though he was a ridiculous and insecure old man, he was a real threat.
It was Richie Aprile's attempted insurrection that doomed Feech. It's unclear whether Feech would have tried to take Tony out. He may have been too old school for that. But after Richie, Tony couldn't take that chance. So he did what he had to do, much like Gary Cooper, who, I think I heard somewhere, faced down the Miller gang all by himself.
Feech was already making groundwork to have tony replaced, Tony did the right thing with him.
He was gay, Gary Cooper?
@@kemperboyd1209NOOOO!
"Did I not learn anything from Richie Apprile, nip it in the bud"
Not ratting to save your own skin might be seen as old school, but killing your boss to take his place is about as old school as it gets. Feech would have made a move.
What brilliance to cast Loggia as Feech. It's all about setting a precedent.
Robert Loggia was a great actor
You know who else had an arc? Noah.
R...as in Robert Loggia
O....as in oh my God look, it's Robert Loggia
B....as in.....
Let me know if ya get this reference 😂
@@heyitsvosyep definitely do. You beat me to it
I didn't even recognise him at first, but yeah, great casting. He has this constant look of rage and incomprehension, which perfectly suits the character.
Feech could have seen his release from prison as a blessing. Could have left "the life" completely, after discovering "the life" had left him, but chose not too. His ego, lack of situational awareness was his undoing.
He enjoyed "the life"
What was he gonna do? Work at Walmart? All he could do is be a thug.
He'd never willingly go straight. He was willing to bear any man for a single dollar. Nah, he was criminal to the bone.
This is what happens to a man who goes decades without some motherfucking goddamn orange peel beef, that's all.
I always liked feech. I think because he reminded me of my wife's grandpa (my wife is italian). While he obviously isnt as violent as feech, his mannerisms are almost identical; a hard man from the "old country"
sure..what a joke...in fact, why dont ALL of you 'Whites" go back with your fake slaves and colonies.
Robert loggia was amazing in over the top, big and independence day. Rest peacefully robert loggia.
He left a world where he was a king and came back feeling like a pauper. All his crew was gone and all the old timers except junior were gone too.
Robert Loggia was a superlative actor - An Officer and a Gentleman; Scarface; Big; Jagged Edge;, Prizzi's Honor; Necessary Roughness, Holy Man, and many more that you may have seen. He started getting film roles in the 50's and stayed active until his death in 2015 - but the 80's were clearly his peak.
Don't forget GTA 3
@@mauricehamilton4025 Did you think the little list, above, was supposed to be complete? And, that is a partial list of MOVIES. If you are going to eff with me, it's best to come correct.
Also Over The Top with Sylvester Stallone
Also in Psycho 2
You all are forgetting his best role ever, the grandpa in Malcom in the middle.
The fate of Feech is, among many things, since I kinda think I understand the mindset David Chase is approaching this narrative from, simultaneously an indictment of the mobster’s criminality and the future it built going forward in the same way AJ acts as an indictment of the future Tony’s building; it’s all in the generational aspect, that is a core part of the show itself. Feech is the ultimate fate of the mobster who lives to die of old age; nothing is truly awarded him, he sees no position for his loyalty, he’s expendable and a pain in the ass of the new generation who won’t hesitate to get rid of him if he challenges their leadership or gets too demanding or disrespectful. Phil tried to rebel against that and was crushed by the new world around him on all sides.
What are you gonna do? You pickup the pieces and go on
Very good observation. One thing I always found ironic here is that Feech and Phil also come from a generation who overthrew the old “Mustache Petes” in the mafia as they thought their code of “honor” and way of doing things got in the way of them making money. Only to have the next generation do it to them.
Out of all the “old school” mobsters in the show, the only one who got off easy was Carmine Lupertazi, granted he didn’t exactly die in a dignified way but compared to Phil (killed in front of his wife and grandkids), Feech (back in Jail), Paulie (alone and miserable), Junior (Alzheimers in a jail facility), he got off easy.
@@Publicenemy85 The overall lesson is that fewer, if any, of these mobsters go out happy.
@@selfdo Yup. Actually if there’s one thing that ties all the great mob films and TV shows is that they ALL emphasized this.
Feech was becoming too much of a liability for Tony. He said it perfectly,
“Did I learn nothing from Richie Aprile” 8:30
When he didn't laugh at Tony's joke, that was it for him.
Feech wanted it to be one way, but its the other way.
Real talk though, one of the major themes of the show is the generational decline of the mob, and one of the aspects of that theme are that the guys who spent 20 fuckin' years in the can have trouble adjusting to the changing face of the mob and seek to change it back to how it was, which usually ends in disaster. The only exception is Tony B, who mostly reflects another major theme of the show, that being that these guys are pretty much irredeemable and despite attempts to go straight, the life of a regular person has difficulties they refuse to face.
@@jonsweeney4347I disagree with your perspective about tony B. I think his storyline is more about how hard it is for people to go straight when everyone around you is pulling you down.
He's constantly looked down on and belittled for trying to live as a civilian because his entire social circle are crooks. It's less he's irredeemable, and more a tragic outcome of his environment.
Also, he talked back.
@@Nanook128 I dont agree. Sure his social group were all crooks, but they wanted to bring him back in immediately and he refused. He didnt start to backslide until he had trouble with the laundry job, and when fate literally drops a THIRD chance in his lap with the found drug money, he squanders it almost immediately. He had MULTIPLE chances to turn his life around but the second it got a little difficult to do so he gave up.
@@jonsweeney4347 maybe so, that's some fair points.
This guy has played so many memorable characters over the years, one of the absolute best antagonists on just about everything he was ever cast in 👏🏻
It’s a shame Feech wasn’t in the show longer. Always wondered if there was an alternate story line with Tony B trying to take on Tony and/or New York
apparently he had problems with his lines and the work schedule so they decided to part ways...thats why it was a bit sudden and weird
Robert Logia has a big part in the David Lynch film Lost Highway. If you havent seen it its fun.
It's because it's Alzheimer's was starting to take a toll and he had to be written out 😢
I do think that would be a cool storyline. Maybe have Feech challenge Tony for leadership of the New Jersey family, with Tony B as his right hand.
"He may have challenged Tony's authority at times, but at least be never betrayed his oath."
Challenging the boss's authority is a betrayal of the oath, just a different part.
Exactly, questioning leadership is exactly what gets guys to start a coup. That’s exactly what Richie tried to do, but like Jr said “He couldn’t sell it”. That’s why he sold him out to Tony in the Drs office. Tony didn’t need that to happen again so that’s why he sent Feech back to jail. Feech had the backing and the strength to take on Tony if he wanted. He was respected and feared, plus he stood up and did his time. Which def would’ve made people confident he could be boss.
@@paolobrigante1761 What a great comment. I'm in awe of you!
what happened to this thing?? for god's sake, they bend more rules than the catholic church!
Feech LaManna’s problem was that he couldn’t get into shaved snatches.
🤣😅😂
that's true
It's like a damn girl scout meeting
Sucks that UA-cam is so censorious nowadays. Ugh.
I don't want the toosh, unless it's rocking a bush!!!
Feech was dangerous-making deals over Tony's head (like the stolen cars racket). He would also turn informant to save himself-Tony was vert wise to set him up.
Several of Tony's guys turned informant, but that wasn't as big of a problem in New York. Maybe Tony was the problem.
Feech turn informant? Then why didn't he rat out people before to get out of his two decades in prison?
He wouldn't turn informer. He had the chance and didn't. He hated Tony with good reason but was too antiquated to give info to the government
In the very first episode, season 1, pilot episode. Tony is narating and says " my father never reached the heights that i did" implying that his dad was just a foot soldier, but later they would say to junior.... You and your brother used to run north jersey!
his father was like an underboss and ran it kinda how johnny sack did for carmine
I think Tony was referring moreso to the fact that he made a lot more money than his father ever did, even though his father was a high-ranking mafioso.
It was also important to feed Junior's ego and show respect, at least to his face. Tony is well aware of how Junior can hold a grudge. Also what he's capable of if angered or feels threatened.
@@christopherconard2831 Tony said it from his heart, Junior was arleady at mental illnes at that point.
Tonys father was a crew boss according to Tony, or at least an acting crew boss. Tony tells Melfie, that "he ran his own crew".
At least Feech didn’t remind us constantly every 2 seconds he did 20 years in the can like the Shah Of Iran over in Brooklyn.
Feech was that hero that makes all the wannabees realize they arent hot shit like they think they are.
Before washing the video, I would assume the reason why feet Feech had so problems was because he just came back after 20 years in the can and the man that rob them is now boss, as he is unable to get his jobs that he originally had only to be turned away
I always figured it’s cuz he went to jail, came back decades later and saw that all the kids were now in charge.
Feech La Manna’s problem is not getting his card game back, but don’t forget I served twenty years in the can.
I haven’t seen Billy, your kid brother, in a while. Whatever happened there?
@@johnofmalta Whatever happened there?!
Phil why did you transform into a house what's your decepticon nickname
This is why I contend that Phil was not gay it was just the style of these old school guys to be ornery. They lost serious years being behind bars and felt they were owed. They also felt frustrated and stifled by the current world. Lots of guys flipping instead of doing the time like they did, and the much heavier presence of law enforcement which prevents them from being able to behave with reckless abandon like they could’ve done 30 years prior. Feech is just like Phil or Richie he wants what he thinks is coming to him and he hates that he has to take orders from Tony.
There's nothing here about Feech disobeying Tony and organising the big auto heist at Dr. Fried's daughter's wedding, and the entire conflict between Paulie and Feech regarding Sal Vitro is glossed over in two seconds. This is just a summary of Feech's character arc, not an examination of 'what his problem' was.
"As long as you don't step on anybody's toes." Feech proceeds to step on everybody's toes.
"Ya know who had an arc? Noah."
Although Feech is just a fictional character, like all of them, I got no sympathy for him being set up.
That man was a loose canon or best said a weapon not allowed anymore in war games.
He is one super mean grandpa and that is an understatement. So he deserved this forced karma. That being said, it is twisted to sympathize with ANY mobster.
Given the fall of the Sopranos, Feech was fortunate by staying safe in prison.
Anyway....$4 dollars a pound.
dude the clip i can't even type out that you played after promoting your patreon, my sides are in orbit. i haven't laughed that hard at a youtube video in forever.
He was an old guy. Who couldn't stand a thought of taking orders from the boss who still thinks he's a kid.
Feech thought time had stood still while he's was in jail , but it never does
Are you sure Feech’s game that Tony & Jackie Sr. robbed was the Executive Game, or just a neighborhood game like the one Jackie Jr. hit?
It’s unfortunate that the actor playing Feech couldn’t remember his lines, I wanted his character around longer, his scenes were sooo entertaining
Interesting, this is the first time I've heard a different version of events detailing why Feech was only on the show a few episodes. Everywhere else tells the story of Robert Loggia and his early onset medical issues getting him written off early like it was gospel.
I mean they said it on talking sopranos didn't they?
@@tapsetyes they did
Same shit with Robin Williams. "Oh ... poor Robin! He topped himself cos he was soooo sad! Poor man!".
Winds me up! Guy offed himself cos the Quack said "You're fkked, incurable terminal and rapidly degenerative dementia. 2 years to live, but in 6 months you won't know your kids names and you'll shit yourself every day!".
Still can't stop the moronic public from remembering and celebrating Robin the wrong way.
Feech, like Cozette, never learned to compromise.
Cozette would still be alive if she stayed off the couch.
Imagine a scene with Phil and Feech.
Thanks for this. Feech was always one of my absolute fav characters on the show. Him, Carmine Jr. and Richie Aprile, that's my top 3.
Agreed. Feech and Richie were the best 2 on the whole show. I’m not that big on carmine jr. He was level headed and rational but he didn’t really bring anything extra to the show like Ritchie and feech.
@@jakepadgett5569 Hey man, yeah IO see what youre saying, I just liked Carmine because he is funny as hell, plus possibly the only one in the entire show who got out with the skin of his balls intact. But yes, I see your point.
@@TheRealFeechLaMannamy favorite thing about carmine jr was his wife. He by far had the best looking wife on the show.
Feech made Paulie run away like a little girl, sick sh*t!!
Satanic black magic!
Satanic black magic
Love when they create a whole character and story based on a past reference. Nacho in BCS of course being a prime example of this.
What's yours is your Kino, but what ain't, belongs to anybody else.
He wanted things to stay as they were before he went to prison but he got out and found a new younger generation doing things differently, and he couldnt cope. He tried to force it, and he got taught a lesson. Out with the old, in with the new....
I've seen Kino in his live video, so I know it's not him, but his voiceover sound always puts me in the mind of John Sacramony's brother in law. They sound identical😂
Feech had a right to be pissed and was treated poorly. He didnt check his place, but he was right 100% when it came to the beef with Paulie.
Feech was made before they invented the light bulb.
"Whats YOURS is YOURS, Paulie! But what ain't, is ANYONE elses! Now geddafokoudahee!"
You get points for stayin' out of the can
Feech's problem was the same problem from Lost Highway, he was too aggressive and couldn't control himself.
Feech frowning while Tony was telling the silly joke that everyone was laughing at..
Tony often complains about the way the mafia is going and how it’s hard to find old school guys that keep to traditions but look at how he treats those guys when he finds them. Like he said in the beginning his father never reached the heights that he did but in some ways he had it better. Back then these guys maybe didn’t make as much money they’re making now but they had a better quality of life somewhat because guys were less about themselves and more about the family. If a guy went away he kept his mouth shut and those on the outside made sure his family was taken care of while he was gone and he could hopefully get back whatever he had while he was away. As much as tony talks about how much he likes that and how he wishes that things could go back to that he’d be quick to flip if facing a long stretch, if a guy went away he’d be quick to take over whatever he had and keep the money and not give a damn about the guys family and he’d probably see it as totally out of line if the guys wife or kid or something came to tony asking for money that rightfully belonged to the guy doing time because tony would see it as his because like Christopher said he preaches all this wise guy shit but expects everyone else to follow the rules even though he doesn’t.
It reminds me of what happens to Henry’s family in Goodfellas when he goes in the can. Henry starts dealing drugs because no one in the crew is putting food on the table when he goes inside…
Tony wants, assumes he deserves, the respect and loyalty due an old boss because he is a boss.
If Feech hadn't been in prison, Tony would be in the same position as Big Pussy or Pauli. And do just as much bitching about being treated as an errand boy.
My blood pressure used to, and still does, go through the roof anytime Feech is in a scene…the yelling my God 😅
love it.
I just wanna let you know that I really appreciate your weekly upload schedule. It's great to have a new Sopranos/Breaking Bad video to digest every week from the legend himself. Good work!
Glad you enjoy them!
It’s also published in the Daily Caduceus.
Feech was made before the electric light😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I had a theory that it was Feech that ordered Tony's hit from prison for revenge. I was wrong. It was ordered by Butchie, with the photo of AJ's girlfriend on the wall of his beauty parlor as proof. Chase & Co. left us these clues. It was up to us to pay attention to them. Cheers Kino. (I did catch the flub with the Executive game. I doubt Johnny Boy & Junior ever reported to Feech or else it would have been canon. )
Discontinue the lithium
So, AJ’s girl connected to Butchie by blood or just a professional?
@@wojciechgrodnicki6302 She was a HOOOO-WHAAAAAA!!!!
That photo on the wall looks nothing like AJ's girlfriend.
This disinformation shit is an effective technique; it’s a friggin ace!
Been really enjoying the breakdown!
You can't claim on the one hand to be "old-school" then turn around and disrespect the boss. There were many young bosses is Mafia history, every boss does not look like Marlon Brando in the Godfather. TBH I was somewhat disappointed in the Feech story line, he was more comedic relief than anything else. Now Steve Buscemi, his character should have been expanded at least another season and I would have loved to see Burt Ward's character in a few more episodes, possibly in flashbacks.
Robert Loggia was SO good as Feech. Old school vs the new guard. He got greedy and put Tony to the test, he never had a chance.
Lmao - this video got released just as I got to the episode about Feech's argument with Tony during my Sopranos rewatch.
Feech didn't understand that the "problem with the old days is they are the old days"
-Slim Charles
Best feech moment was when he said Don Antonio just flows off the tongue nice
He didn't like Tony that's what. He didn't like taking orders from someone younger than him . He thought he earned the right to call the shots
The problem with guys like Feech and Richie Aprile were they probably would have become the boss if they weren't imprisoned unlike old timers like Junior and Pauly who would never be considered.
Don't forget Angelo Garepe was also pinched alongside Tony Egg, Feech, and the Shinebox Shah
I ate grilled cheese off the shinebox
@@godsavemefromgenZ No more shines, Billy.
You used the term "pinched"! That's an old Boston term for getting arrested...the police used to have a restraint device that was like a clamp-it "inched" your wrist.
“You just keep your antidotes to local color.”
Love the malapropisms. 😂
If Feech had been an asset to Tony, he probably could have helped with Phil.
What a great actor, he was in Scarface and the movie Big with Tom Hanks! what a legend! RIP
what i love about his character is how the writers weaved him into the story as far back as season 3, this kind of foresight makes for some compelling world building.
Charles Schwab ova here
The writer literally said they didn't do it intentionally
Sharp as a cueball, this one
You're correct. In the old days, you'd be given a choice. You could choose the pasture at a no show job OR go through reeducation to learn about all the new people and operations. You MIGHT get your level back but you'd definitely return at some leadership position if you had one.
Now, you're rolled out or dead.
One thing I never understood about the executive game: it's supposed to be the premiere gambling income for the crew, but half of the players shown are usually guys from the De meo crew and the punters are just a few mob-adjacent regulars. Not to mention the dollar amounts they mention, the venue, etc do not seem to indicate that the game is a significant profit source.
It was the premier gambling income. Then, Feech and everybody went to jail in the 80s. Nothing about any of their businesses were ever the same. “I feel like I came in at the end of it.”
The fact that Sinatra Jr was there just shows how second rate it was by that point. It just never could attract the same caliber of player as it used to.
Whatever the rake was, for the game, was probably pretty high, seeing how they were playing high stakes. All that to say, I'm sure a generated a decent amount of income but not like Ralphie's scams
>>but half of the players shown are usually guys from the De meo crew
Feech was awesome. I love Burt Young as Bobby Sr, too. The old timers had such great presence and energy. Also, Phil Leotardo did 20 years in prison.
I always suspected the addition of Feech later on in the show as an actual character, rather than a name that was referenced, was a decision made down the line rather than season 1. When he was described as a "Old Mustache" who was "Made on the Other side" You are thinking that the man was an Italian from Italy. And Fetch would have, you know, an Italian accent. But he didn't, so there you go.
_And Fetch would have, you know, an Italian accent._ - My thoughts exactly! Unless he was made in the old country as a kid or a teen 😄, he'd've probably sounded more like Furio.
The "Executive Game" isn't the only card game in Jersey, y'know? Feech had his own separate card game the way Richie Aprile and Ralphie had their own games- which were absorbed by Junior went Feech went away. Tony and Jackie Aprile Sr. wouldn't have robbed his own father's card game. Second, they would not have been allowed to get away with robbing the "executive game." That would've killed it right then and there because it would've permanently scared away all the legitimate businessmen high rollers it was held for. They would've got whacked for taking down the "executive game."
Love the videos
I never thought that Feech went back to prison in case he might make a move against Tony. I always thought it was because he was stepping on the toes of and being problematic to the other soldiers who had established earning incomes.
As for the parole officer, yes, he was corrupt and working for the family. Which is why Feech was set up. His regular parole officer did not show up. Instead, Tony had their man come to set up Feech and already knew he had the stolen goods in his garage.
Feech is simply an old Goombah, who not only can't change with the times, but, like many in his trade, has "anger management" issues. Also a huge ego, with proved his undoing.
Feech was one of my favorite characters on the show & it’s crazy that he was only in 2 (maybe 3 episodes). But one thing I noticed this round of rewatching the show again (for the 3rd time) was when Tony was talking to Silvio about what to do about Feech right after their heating meeting (“JUST STFU!”) was that Tony looked like he was about to cry when contemplating taking Feech out. Did anyone else notice this? I mean Tony tries his damndest to never show sadness in front of his crew, especially tears (just look at Jonny Sack at Allegra’s wedding, “my estimation of Jonny Sack as a man just f**king plummeted” - Phil Leotardo) but Tony legitimately looks & almost sounds like he’s crying in this scene. I think that’s why Silvio says “don’t be so hard on yourself” bc he clearly sees it too. I guess this was because of the respect Tony had for him, though I definitely don’t think Tony cared about him as a friend or anything like he does about Silvio or Pussy. I was just shocked bc that’s such a substantial thing that no one ever brings up.
A shame about Robert Loggia. He couldn't remember his lines so they had to write him out of the show. James G was very kind to him and patient. Feech was a great character.
Robert Loggia was great at "tough guy" roles, going back to his role as the career swabbie father of Aviation Officer Candidate, later Ensign, Zach "Mayonaise" Mayo, Boatswain's Mate Byron Mayo, who treated his son to a night with a whore after his college graduation.
@@selfdo He was great on a few old Alfred Hitchcock eps!
@@selfdo he was a restaurant owner on Frasier too, mean old guy like in the Sopranos
Same shit happened to Robin Williams. He was on the set of the last Night @ Museum picture, and his PA found him crying, hiding. Told her he couldn't remember his lines. Never happened to him before. She forced him to see the quack. Doctors scanned and tested, told him "You're fkked. Rapid, terminal, degenerative brain disease. In 2 years you're dead, but in 6 months you can't remember your kids names or wipe ur own ass!". So he did the deed.
Still can't tell the moronic public though, everyone saying "Poor Robin! He was SAD on the INSIDE! Waaaaah!".
Idiots.
@@TheVanillatechGiven Williams’s struggles with substance abuse, both issues can be true…
Great video as usual. The only thing i cant quite put my finger on is how many years Phil Leotardo did in the can 🤔
Feech’s biggest mistake was betraying Tony…Montana that is.
I knew a wannabe Greek mobster who said the Italian mob’s mistake is that they so readily kill their own people while the Greek mob “just cuts them off”, however accurate that is…
It's weird cause if Feech was written off for thematic reasons and not because the actor's dementia was advancing then I actually think it was a bad idea. It feels premature and unnecessary cause there was still plenty of interesting story to squeeze that could still end with the same results. Iirc it also is what messed up the Tony B. storyline too so it unnecessarily hurt a whole chunk of the show.
There he is! The man. The legend. Pure Kino.
Nobody raged better than Feech.
One of the best parts of this show is when there's a continuity issue, I usually assume it's one of the crew spoutting their tale of events to sound important and take credit because everyone ends up doing that to eachother at some point. Everyone in the mob will back stab, and take credit for your accomplishments. Since he went to jail, I'm sure Junior didn't think it was a biggie to take credit for inventing or running the game from its inception because he's not here to say otherwise now to the younger generation.
Tony was smart enough to realize that if he didn't take care of Feech then Tony would be gone as boss. Tony waited too long and Ritchie almost overthrew Tony until the problem took care of itself with Janice shooting Ritchie. So Tony had to get rid of Feech but also not whack him and lose favor with the rest of the other crews. The easy way was do it through a parole violation. Tip off the parole officer of a unscheduled house search and "plant" some stolen TV's. Problem was solved from there.
Use to be there was no price on loyalty. Now, loyalty is only as strong as the next man’s offer
One of the reasons the old bosses were apposed to getting involved in drugs. The potential prison sentences were long enough that it would cause too many guys to consider turning witness. They all knew most associates that could do 5-10 inside. But they also knew that 25+ was too much for many to take.
The potential profits were huge, but narcotics cases are easier to prove, even if they aren't directly involved.
Hes a real chazzer! ;)
From what i could gather the executive game was different than feech's game. The executive game was a bigger money once in a while thing.
I'm surprised to hear they found Loggia unfit to, and honestly I don't believe it. He's chilling as LaManna, portrays perfectly how terrifying old people can be.
I don't think that is 100% true....but I do think he was starting to get dementia in his old age in real life. But he is one scary old man!!!
9:54 Wow a universal truth
And I doubt Richies input had ABSOLUTELY no effect on the Decision to give His Brother Jackie n Tony a pass, it was Johnny Boy, Junior, NY, Richies input really meant nothing...as Junior would say....HE'S NOT RESPECTED
Back then, Richie would have been a young tough guy on the rise. Not entirely powerless. But yeah, Tony's dad and uncle did most of the protecting.
robert loggia KILED IT in this role!
He lost Elvira...
Feech was such a dope character
Just like Richie and Phil, he was too old school didn't like the new way of doing things
“In my day” was Feech’s catchphrase as much as “I did 20 years” was Phil’s