When Elon Musk Gets To Mars | The Joe Rogan Experience
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2023
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Elon Musk has publicly said that his goal is to live [and maybe not live] on Mars. What are the chances of that actually happening? What are some of the biggest technological, biological, and even psychological barriers we'll need to break through for it to become a reality?
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He is basically saying “why should we put airbags in cars?! Isn’t it better we just don’t crash to begin with.” Give me a break
yeah
Humans would die on Mars so it isn't an option.
you would reduce accidents if every car had a big steel spike in the steering wheel aimed at the driver.
people would pay attention
@@DG-mk7kd climate change is the spike and capitalism is accelerating the car towards a brick wall. Impact arrives no later than 2040.
@@DG-mk7kd and people wouldnt be so lazy with guns pointed at their heads 24/7
Dude's a wet blanket.
"Why do the things you love and make you excited for the future? Just do nothing instead..."
The weirdest thing is how Werner von Braun wrote a book about this. The main character was named Elon as well
Buh....what?
@@Hh-yd3dj, yep.
Written 1948 in US
Oh yeah, I had forgot that this.
I bet Elon read this at an impressionable age.
If you want to die on Mars, all you need to do is go there.
@@darocazaranchi2659 Sounds like they need you on the voyage?
If you want to die on Earth, all you need to do is stay here.
That's a weak argument against going.
@@Fermion. Then get to going! Good luck! You have my blessing!
Lol. I'm just saying, we're all going to die, Earth will be engulfed by the Sun when it dies, and every trace of our existence will be atomized.
An early death by an early human interplanetary explorer in their 40s instead of 80s would be insignificant in the grand scheme of things. The risk is worth the reward.
@@Kenneth-ts7bpif u want to get to mars tell the USA that their oil their .
Why? Because it would be amazing. We don't need anymore reason than that.
This dude is a great example of why a formal education AND practical/real world knowledge and experience are both important. He’s never left academia. His entire logic is based on theory…and every answer he gives Joe references a quote from someone, or a book he read. Elon has facilitated scientific progress, this dude rambles and loves to hear himself speak.
"why do you go to mars so bad?"
why do you get out of bed?
Who says I do?
Can't say I agree with this guy...he's basing his opinions and thoughts assuming there is no progress in other areas of science. AI could help us solve the sutainable energy problem and then all of his fossil fuel arguments go out the window for example.
no ai just mashes together information and presents it in a way to trick stupid people like you into believing its actually thinking
he was not talking about only fossil fuels though...
he was talking about tech and progress in general.
the point was, every time people invent something or made progress - it gets popular or/and overused by people to the point progress is not matters anymore.
he was giving example of computers and internet... modern tech in that area is million times better that old tech... but people also want million times more from it as well. so in the bigger scheme of things, the progress doesn't matter... 20 years ago people watched pictures on the internet... now we have 1000x times the power, but we still watch pictures on internet. why? because pictures are now 1000x crispier, and we do that a lot more.
so tech gets better but we also demand more and more form it.
at some point humans didn't knew how to preserve food. but now we have refrigerators... but we still get spoiled food in the markets. why? because not only we want fresh food... we want scecific food any day of the year, in the closest market to us, with a ton of variety...
so now all that companies work for us 24/7, produce the said fruit out of season, store it, transport it over the ocean, put it on a shelf ect... and for you, who could just say "meh, i want brasilian bananas, and not argentinian"
see?
so you can go to Mars... and it will be a big leap... but then the demand will catch up, and Mars will face the same problems Earth have - overpopulation, overpollution, energy crisises, wars for resources and territory, government bullcrp, taxes, inflation, not enough workers, not enough working places, housing etc. - but that's not only part of the point.
let's say people will create flying car with warp drive, working on cold fusion or whatever... at first it will be a big leap... but then people would just travel constantly. "- honey, want to go to Spain for 3 hours after work? - Sure!" boom there boom back here, no big deal. not only it would bring a ton of other problems... it would completely casualize the whole point of travel. you would ask yourself: "why did i needed it in the first place?"
"why did we watch Instagram every day?"
"why did we came to Mars, again?"...
@@ivanchizhikov9939 perfectly described, if it wasn't an asnwer to an comment this should be pinned. As of now even if we are able to travel to mars and start an colony there. If let's say the earth does get destroyed, our technology all around isn't advanced enough to keep the colony alive. So the whole point of keeping humanity alive would be thrown out of the window the second there is no human on earth anymore. Also what would be the living conditions of the ones who are then stuck on mars ? They are on this big red planet and can't get out of their station because the atmosphere of mars would kill them in an instant and the materials to build something to get off mars are none existing. So if nothing happens to the colony you will have generation after generation of inbred familys who probably go crazy and this shit will turn to some doom kinda stuff. Let's just focus on our lives here on earth first.
Awesome, didn't know you went on Rogan. Will have to give it a listen.
I loved seeing you on Rogan. I have a lot of respect for Joe for inviting legitimate scholars to be on the show to discuss these topics. Excellent conversation.
The moon trip created a generation of people interested in science
My favorite part is how fast he explains himself with still articulating all of the words mile a minute. Then there the wilderness guys that articulate the same way but talk a mile a hour haha
Good stuff as usual.
I think his point about us not going back to the moon in 50 years was missed in regards to his “why” questions. Part of why is because “why not” or “because we can “. That answer works for a visit. But a sustained presence/ colony ? As Dr Keating said , the technological, biological, medical , and physical ( and more ) resources/constraints necessary are prohibitive. So the question remains - why ?
And I love Joe, but any time he gets faced with any constraints or objections to possibilities his response is always ..” but what if we learn a bazillion things in the next 50 years and can turn turds into a warp drive , can we explore space then ?” Yes Joe , if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle
Can't go back to a place we've never been. Human travel beyond low earth orbit is impossible. The question is why?
@@k.c.r.5974 bro ur a moron we literally are going back to the moon now and India just landed a probe on the moon and the Artemis program is what we are doing to go back to the moon
the same reason the us has bases in remote parts of the pacific. outposts present strategic advantages, most of that usefulness is not revealed until it is time to use them. sometimes the answer to why is, simply because God told me to. though im not super hard line, it's not hard to see why for me. especially when you get into mars history and the potential for a civilization there predating our own.
Sadiooo Mane
People like you would have objected to the concept of machinery replacing horses. It was a common refrain that there aren't roads, and imagine the logics of needing fueling stations all over the country. So why replace horses? They work perfectly fine, and anyone trying to do it is foolish and not a serious thinking like you are. Get real. History is full of garbage thinking like this, and we'd still be in the dark ages if contrarians didn't ignore the gloom and doomers and press on.
We can get to Mars. 1903 was the first human flight, a mere 66 years later, we landed on the moon. 66 YEARS! If that isn't one of the biggest technological leaps for humans I don't know what is. Mind boggling.
Just saw you on JRE. Just subscribed. Ready to hear more
Welcome aboard!
I bet Dr Brian Keating occasionally argues with his WMAP beach ball "companion" a bit like a marooned Tom Hanks remonstrating with Wilson lol
Truth 😂
“Why”
is my favorite question to ask 😂
Keating’s not a bad guest at all. It’s interesting seeing him being interviewed rather than seeing him doing the interviews.
I wonder if you upload full version of this somewhere?
Spotify
I would rather fix, & protect Earth. At this point in our technological timeline, putting people on Mars seems to be a stupid idea for every reason you can possibly imagine.
I love how he asks why we should go to space at the same time he’s stressing the point that we are running out of resources to sustain our population. Isn’t that enough reason in itself for us to start?
so stupid to ask why should preserve our life and life of humanity , oh you want to die? then yeah just go die , we dont want to die
No, it isn't, since the attempt to colonize Mars would exhaust the remaining resources of the Earth and Mars' resources are not enough to replace those lost in the attempt.
Attempting to colonize Mars might lead to a quicker extinction of the human race. The amount of energy required to live in Mars would be at least 100x more than on Earth. Will you be willing to give up your car, home heating and AC and numerous technological gadgets and appliances to achieve that goal?
how do you remember to breathe?
@@koumorichinpo4326 there ain't no oxygen on Mars. Try breathing there.
I suspect that.. when you learn the nature of how the laws of physics are also ... as tangible as your thought process represented by neuropathways.... and secured tangibly without regard or dependence upon your perception... you will find... an entire new concept of ... other dimensions... and it will bring you great joy.
Asking the "Why" gets to know the real truths of life
I've always have a felling when i hear people wanting to go to mars that it will be like in doom like they will open a gate or something to another dimension and let demons in...sounds silly but i always have this felling
Im a mechanic and he sounds like all the engineers I’ve ever worked with. I will come up with a solution to a problem and they will say, yeah but it’s not a problem we should be having so why fix it?
You don’t comprehend the magnitude of change in performance coming from quantum computing
Can't wait until Mars demands independence and interplanetary war breaks out.
Elon estimates it would cost between $100 billion to $10 trillion to put a colony on Mars.
Nobody has that kind of money to spend.
A robber comes to you with a gun and says, "Your money or your life!". You choose the latter. What would you tell a friend that later asks you why you made that particular choice especially considering that the robber could possibly have been bluffing?
It's similar with our relationship with the universe. It's entirely possible that we could have some kind of a huge natural or man-made disaster that could threaten the survival of all of the complex life on Earth. Even without that, thinking long term, planetary and stellar expansion could possibly be the only way to survive in a galaxy potentially sparsely filled with other advanced alien civilizations that could at this very moment be considering starting their own expansion.
Haha this guy tried to get philosophical and Joe answers his questions in half a second
This guy is the biggest Rogan fan e.g. he knows what’s every guest has said
Answered your own question Dr Keating, we need to leave the earth because there is a finite amount of resources on it and it's unsustainable to stay on our current trajectory
You know what is actually important?
Meet God.
Spend eternity with Him.
If you ask "why," someone says "why not." Just effing do it.
It’s the way I look at people doing all sorts of crazy things. I would never climb into a wing suit and fly down a mountain, but some people will do so. Why? Because they can. I think we are better for people taking those crazy steps into things that make no sense from a survival point of view, but it’s amazing people do so any way. It’s short sighted to sit back and ask why when there are those that are saying “I’m doing it”. I applaud those people
The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury
everything came from the question , the question is not "why?" , the question was and is , what if ? 😘
The facts of this plateau thing are one of those bummer facts of life like Santa doesnt exist but for adults and Kaku is older brother who gets to tell everyone about it
We can't live on Mars we can only hibernate
Forget mars we need a habitable planet🙄
the planet is not about to become uninhabitable anytime soon
Why do we prefer decentralized blockchains ? same applies for humanity. The same applies for money, don't put all your money in one boot
And this guy has a doctorate?
Elon staggers out on the Martian surface: "At last I'm home!" Let's face it, we all know he's an alien.
Why would we reach for the stars? Oh I don't know it's called human endeavor
Ummm...just move to the Sahara!? Then say good luck...
Thankfully, Elon just doesn't have it to be the next Bond Villain.
Got you were on Rogan
Why ask why....For the development of lifekind
Where did the fossil fuels on Titan come from Brian. Not fossils!
If, say the earth only had 100 years left.. humans would set foot on mars in 5 and none of us would mate the trip
We'll go to Mars for the same reason we do anything, financial gain.
This is the key action that continually gets missed. We need to first develop the technology to correct the damage we are doing to our earthly environment and living conditions FIRST . . . and THEN we’ll have the technologies already vetted and proven to implement as we go trans-planetary.
So why do anything is this guys point? No thanks man you go ahead and have fun with that. Now lets find a way to get to mars.
Bro has to chill. Hes saying "Well we better not mess earth up." Yea. Tell that to Russia, Iran, China, USA the only country to ever use a nuke. Lol. Dude is trippin
He keeps asking why and thinks it’s deep, nobody needs a super deep reasons that never ends…
Elon has aged so much as of late, by this photo !?
So, if it was up to this guy, we would still be in the Stone Age. The reason why is that were human and that's what we do.
I think the answer is AI and robots. The combination will take humanity to the next level. Right now robots are simple and fail at many things. I have seen robots advance a lot at my factory over the past decade. They need constant help though
We have names for our robots at work. Spider-Man. Yankee Doodle. Birthday boy. They are named after the distinct songs they play to call for an engineer when they inevitably fail every 30 minutes.
In the last 35 years, we have made more advancements and technology than we’ve done in the last 250 before that we can easily get to and start colonizing Mars within 100 years and we actually tried to. I don’t mean putting billionaires and CEO’s pocket for profit I mean actually invest in getting there.
I think that Elon Musk has the money and the drive too be able too get too mars but it will take time and sacrifices for him too do that and for making an society there will take time but i heard recentlly they created oxygen on mars but if they can create like biosphere with farming and recreation activities and the rockets should be bigger and more energy effective for long traveling
Elon is the only billionaire that seems to care about the decency and the future of humanity.
#1 Negative Debbie Downer About Humanities Future Is Dr. Brian Keating. Thank God Our Forefathers, Visionaries, Travelers, Pioneers. Philosopher's, Scientists , Exployers etc.
All Weren't Like Him In Life.
Why ? 😂
Nobody....gets to mars......... nor anywhere else....but Alaska......Earth is the centre.
People do things because they can. That's why.
no thats not why , we want to survive and thrive and expand to other planets , its a logical thing , growth and expansion , it makes sense
@@AXharoth growth and expansion - Hitler 1939, cancer today.
@@AXharoth At what cost and with whose blood, sweat and tears? Ask yourself...what are you willing to sacrifice. Because it will take a sacrifice!
Think I’m going to give “why” a break in my vocabulary after this - reputation, reputation, reputation.
We are all carbon , that's why I get a big kick out of the cost of carbon fiber parts . That's why I didn't even bigger kick out of everyone's concern about CO2 in the atmosphere . That's what plants use to grow and in turn produce oxygen for us to breathe . And it's clear that a lot of people need to breathe more because their brains are starving for oxygen .
I will never understand this guys thinking. Why did Europeans cross the Atlantic? There was plenty of resources across Europe.
Yes, why not spend the time, money, and resources to protect the earth from any incoming asteroid or comets? Then, let's evolve on this planet with technology and oceans, and maybe the moon will be used as a secondary habital home for us.
Come on Doc.. why? Because if not, life ceases to exist
exactly , so stupid
So? Maybe that would be a good thing? If we destroyed our planet what makes you so sure that we won't destroy all the other planets that we colonize or that we won't enslave other beings that might live on those planets.
If we can fix mars we sure as hell can fix earth.
@@ricomajestic No other species on Mars. Survival of our species should be to the best interest of our species.
@@liamgross7217 it might be about more than fixing. What if an asteroid, volcano, nuclear, or other catastrophe wipes is out?
I think the French word is porqoui? LOL
Why not clean up earth first?
Yes I agree
8 billion people on earth. Enough to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time.
oh yeah we gonna run out of resources, but freaking mars has resources too , and at some point you not gonna neccesarily need earth resources that much , you could just use mars resources and then theres the asteroid belt just next there
Mars doesn't have the resources necessary to sustain a single human life.
Whats the point of anything? A "Dr" who studied to get a piece of paper claims doing other things have no point.
…contains mechanically reclaimed content
Crude oil isn't made from fossils Sir.... and there isn't a finite amount.
A reason for why would also be to study what is really needed to colonize a planet. At some point you would just need to go and try. Mars would be the testing grounds to learn additional information and techniques of what would be needed to do. This way, future studies would have a better understanding and be able to see what things do work and which techniques don't. If we some day have the technology to go beyond mars and find an actual suitable planet, they would have already learned much on how to approach certain things. Isn't this how science progresses ? By learning from previous trials? You can argue "but we are far from that technology to traverse further in space" but that doesn't matter. you can still start learning other avenues that ARE within our grasp to do so. More data -> better understanding. And the guy just picked mars to do that, because it's his money and HIS dream. Could he have picked the ocean? sure, but he doesn't want to. If you want to, why don't you? seek funding and do it yourself i would say.
you can do that on earth ffs. no wasting tax payer money on a narcissist's vanity project needed.
Realistically it'll take maybe another 50-100 years before a proper habitat is created for humans to live there long term. Definitely not in Elon's lifetime.....
No Joe we can’t instead of bumping gumsu go figure how
Elon makes these massive audacious goals. The reason is he will hit other ones as he goes for the big one. This is what Ray Dalio talks about in the book Principals
But will he take Rogan with him? Hmmmmm
So short minded on this subject.
This is an example of a scholar or academic who is so immersed in book knowledge that he's out of touch with reality. I bet if you asked him what Bulgaria was like he could talk for hours about Bulgaria. Then you'd ask him if he'd ever been there and he'd so, "No. I read about it and seen it from videos. It's the same thing as being there."
Anyone who has worked in the construction field knows the disconnect from architects and actuality. You'll be building and come to a point SEVERAL times where you come to the conclusion that the architect is a moron. You have him come to the construction site and see for himself and he has to then make a complete change.
In Buddhism, we have tons of these academics and scholars. 90% of which have zero meditation experience and if you went to a talk from one of the highest, most knowledgeable leader where he taught about compassion, loving-kindness, forgiveness, etc. you could push him and he'd flip out screaming and maybe punch you in the face.
These guys are so locked into a world they created and projected that they are blinded from reality. The list of arrogant, know-it-all, obnoxious science leaders who turned out to be monumentally wrong is a loooooooong and vast one.
Why do anything in life?
Go to the moon 1st elon or explore the ocean lol
Mars is way too far away, once u go you’re not coming back
We go to mars for the same reason we left the caves and we left the trees before that.
Yep, there must be great fruit on Mars...😅
Jump rooms to mars
The mars landing will too be faked 😂
There is probably only a small gap in which a species will be able to leave it domestic planet. And to have consciousness survive for billions of years, life forms need to expand into the universe.
After trying to sound like he knew something that Elon didn't in asking the "why" question he gave up on it rather quickly once Joe said, "why not", tells me he's not that much of a chess player. He might be one of those intelligent stupid people. meh, dont care much though about this guy
We will never go there. We will never colonise other planets. Why? Because we are not able to.
OR... you could just do it because its fun. I'd be a lot happier with a 34 trillion debt trying to put space stations around planets rather than war and gibs.
this guy does not know how to stay on a topic and completely answer a question for his life
Joe wants to go.
Because I freaking said so, go back to sleep 😂 Tell me daddy, why aren't you the all-knowing?
Goofy! Nobody has ever gone to the moon or any other place outside of the atmosphere!!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Exploited resources. THATS WHY
How about this question?!!! Why destroy the only planet atm that humans live and have resources......why spend trillion of dollars to out space... When u can spend that money on earth for trees ... Getting rid of plastic items here on earth .... Why not be simple and do right to save humanity....why dont we do this
Musk is huckster
I want you to help me send this message.. and attach to it this observation.... you need to be investing energy in learning how to map all living and non living matter on the atomic level, and to be able to 3d print that matter on the atomic level. You need to be working as a species to develop the ability to produce potable water out of any atomic matter, which may be achieved with more than one technique. And you need to tell mankind, to have faith in the value of the nearly impossible task of seeking to say the Truth of any matter in a way that brings only good.. no loss from any angle. It is the act of genuinely attempting to find the words to provide a True solution without loss, that is most effective in developing critical thinking skills, cognitive ability, without entrapping themselves by being blinded by their desire. This is the best natural way to develop the ability to process thought, as it vastly reduces temptation to lie to one's self. It is what Saint John was looking at when he said Christ would know the name God chose for itself and put into the foreheads of all peoples.
and for all of your sake..... pay a wage for my contribution.... such that being this version of a man... is not seen as an unworthy thing.