before the great standardization took effect or a provincial Officer either way that a foot patrol around the watchtower, as neither Scutum nor Pilum was carried
😂No, my friend, the sword and helmet thing was just a joke! I just wanted to compliment your work of art on my white one! Good luck with your other artwork! 😊
Awesome work..there's a medieval reproduction company here in New Zealand called the red knight which reproduces Armour and weapons and they also reenact jousting battles, also LARPers, something I'd love to do so I contacted them, I believe they are on Facebook (but I don't have that lol)
Outstanding leatherwork. But - just wondering - no arming cap under the helmet? Seems like they would have used something to reduce slipping and to absorb direct blows to the head, since the design of that helmet was so advanced.
ElvenForge that’s kind of a key point I was wondering how you were going to make it. Do you have a video showing how you worked it? I’ve always wondered how that worked.
@@ElvenForge I think the debate is weather they used it for formal dress occasions or during campaign. There is no record of the State providing such ornate pieces. Most likely, it was privately made by those who could afford it, with carved dies used for the details, since the Romans were no more muscular than anyone else, but liked to portray themselves in a flattering way for posterity.
@@ElvenForge ...and highly speculative. Since bronze far outlasts leather, we just don't have enough physical traces to say for sure. However, the abundance of sculpture and other art showing "muscle" cuirasse armor is compelling. Also, the Romans modified a lot of late Greek armor since they admired the Greeks in most ways. We have to try to fill the gaps with logic and common sense - even if we must speculate. It then follows that only well off Romans could afford such armor, and they would have kept it waxed and shiny for special occasions - not for war, except possibly the very top officers, who would have been very rich citizens and maybe not even soldiers, but politicians or patrons..
@@chevyyyyyyy What do you mean by "infamous?" Not picking at you, just curious. I admire the Roman professional approach to armor, but I'm no expert. Is the helmet in question an amalgam of different archeological finds? Sort of a hybrid to express what they actually wore generically? I've seen lots of film depictions, but that's just the wardrobe department. Seems to me that the bulbous neck flange would have been excellent for deflection, shedding the blow onto the heavy pteras of the segmentata. I'm also very interested in what the wore under the helmet, as a shock absorber. An arming cap of some kind. I doubt they would have left out such a critical detail after designing such an excellent panoply. Any ideas on that?
@@OutnBacker I am addressing the helm only, not the leather armour. The troops made a cap from soft material to dampen the otherwise hard hard helmet’s bounce during the march. While the rounded neck guard would theoretically deflect a hit, the roundness, the convexity, is not accurate. The archeological finds during this period for helms that legionaries wore showed the neck guard to be a flat disk as seen from the side.
@@ElvenForge you should sharpen your sword leather armor like this doesn't make any sense and would offer basicly 0 protection still it look pretty cool great craftmanship
Thanks for the compliment. And yes, a sharpened sword would definitely help, but you're still not going to punch through it as easily as you might think. Once it's hardened like this, it's like punching through wood.
👍😊and wo is ? The Sword and Helmet?
Thanks for watching but I’m not sure what you’re asking.
Beautiful work !
Thanks! I appreciate the compliment.
Great craftsmanship! This armor is Epic! Awesome Talent!!
Thank you. I truly appreciate it.
Incredible work my friend!
Very talented. That looked beautiful.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Absolutely fantastic.
Thanks. I appreciate it!
before the great standardization took effect
or
a provincial Officer
either way that a foot patrol around the watchtower, as neither Scutum nor Pilum was carried
That’s interesting my friend.
Very impressive armor, well crafted.
Thank you. I truly appreciate it.
Amazing armor, sir! Thanks for showing us a master at work.
Thanks for the compliments. I truly appreciate it.
@@ElvenForge Muscular?
How?
What?
Great music. What is it?
Thanks! That’s just something that I made up on the keyboard.
@@ElvenForge - Nice. Perfect vibe👍👍
@@PickleRick65 I truly appreciate it. I was trying to come up with something that sounded Roman. lol.
Very cool
Thanks. I really appreciate it.
Man, the abs on that think are almost as nice as mine!!!! Pretty realistic!!!!
Oh yeah! I use this for cock armor 8:08
Yodelayheehoo 😁
very good job
Thanks
like how it turns out to think more about what that would have wear at the time
Yes it’s pretty cool to imagine what it must have been like.
Just Great !
Cool vid!!!
Thanks!
Impressed !
did roman imperial officers in this point of time also use linen or cloth armor similar to a linothorax?
I don’t think there’s any historical evidence they did.
Master!
😂No, my friend, the sword and helmet thing was just a joke! I just wanted to compliment your work of art on my white one! Good luck with your other artwork! 😊
No problem. I appreciate the compliments.
Awesome work..there's a medieval reproduction company here in New Zealand called the red knight which reproduces Armour and weapons and they also reenact jousting battles, also LARPers, something I'd love to do so I contacted them, I believe they are on Facebook (but I don't have that lol)
Thanks for the compliment! That sounds pretty cool about that company.
Wow 😮
What kind of leather did you use?
It’s called veg tanned leather.
Top 👍
Thanks!
What kind of hide is that made from, and where is the treatment for the leather?
It’s just veg tanned cowhide and it comes that way from the store.
incredibilis
Thanks for the compliment.
One for me Osman bey armour
That’s pretty cool too!
May I ask? On what did you shape the front chest piece
I just use a mannequin to get the basic shape and then do most of the forming by hand like the abs and stuff.
@@ElvenForge Thank you very much. Response is greatly appreciated
Outstanding leatherwork. But - just wondering - no arming cap under the helmet? Seems like they would have used something to reduce slipping and to absorb direct blows to the head, since the design of that helmet was so advanced.
That particular one already has a leather liner in it but yes I believe an arming cap would have made a better fit.
yeah those were a thing as we can observe in a collaborative video by Imperium Romanum and Invicta
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Nice work! May I ask you how did you shape that abs?
They have to be formed by hand so they’re a little tricky.
Did you mold that off of one of those punching bag torsos?
No. It’s a basic plastic mannequin but I have to make the abs and other areas by hand. It helps me get the general shape.
ElvenForge that’s kind of a key point I was wondering how you were going to make it. Do you have a video showing how you worked it? I’ve always wondered how that worked.
Can i buy it?
Yes. You can go to my site or Etsy to order.
Luv the Roman Cuirass.
Where are you guys based?
We’re in North Carolina.
What ounce leather are you using?
It’s mostly 8/9 oz.
@@ElvenForge oh ok. Do you think it's possible to wet form the muscles without a mannequin form just by shaping one area at a time?
@@rockinHurley777 you can do that but the mannequin helps a lot. I still form the abs by hand though.
Is there any historical evidence that the romans used leather armor?
Even though it looks cool, I believe it's still debated.
@@ElvenForge I think the debate is weather they used it for formal dress occasions or during campaign. There is no record of the State providing such ornate pieces. Most likely, it was privately made by those who could afford it, with carved dies used for the details, since the Romans were no more muscular than anyone else, but liked to portray themselves in a flattering way for posterity.
@@OutnBacker that’s pretty interesting.
@@ElvenForge ...and highly speculative. Since bronze far outlasts leather, we just don't have enough physical traces to say for sure. However, the abundance of sculpture and other art showing "muscle" cuirasse armor is compelling. Also, the Romans modified a lot of late Greek armor since they admired the Greeks in most ways. We have to try to fill the gaps with logic and common sense - even if we must speculate. It then follows that only well off Romans could afford such armor, and they would have kept it waxed and shiny for special occasions - not for war, except possibly the very top officers, who would have been very rich citizens and maybe not even soldiers, but politicians or patrons..
@@OutnBacker thanks for that info. It’s all really fascinating for sure.
Do you know a blacksmith to make the sword ?
I’m sorry but I do not.
Okay thk you
Good video Obama sent me this earlier
Thanks. I appreciate it.
The helm is not an accurate replica, right?
I think the helm is. It’s a Paul Chen brand and their stuff is pretty high quality.
@@ElvenForge But the neck guard looks too bulbous, resembling the infamous Trooper Helmet, no?
@@chevyyyyyyy honestly I don’t know for sure.
@@chevyyyyyyy What do you mean by "infamous?" Not picking at you, just curious. I admire the Roman professional approach to armor, but I'm no expert. Is the helmet in question an amalgam of different archeological finds? Sort of a hybrid to express what they actually wore generically? I've seen lots of film depictions, but that's just the wardrobe department. Seems to me that the bulbous neck flange would have been excellent for deflection, shedding the blow onto the heavy pteras of the segmentata. I'm also very interested in what the wore under the helmet, as a shock absorber. An arming cap of some kind. I doubt they would have left out such a critical detail after designing such an excellent panoply. Any ideas on that?
@@OutnBacker I am addressing the helm only, not the leather armour. The troops made a cap from soft material to dampen the otherwise hard hard helmet’s bounce during the march. While the rounded neck guard would theoretically deflect a hit, the roundness, the convexity, is not accurate. The archeological finds during this period for helms that legionaries wore showed the neck guard to be a flat disk as seen from the side.
Roman Soldiers never held their swords in their left hand, only their right hand
Wow! That's pretty cool and actually makes a lot of sense.
@@ElvenForge the reason why was if a person held their sword in their left hand, it meant they were sinister. That was the Roman belief at the time.
Lee Darin Jr that’s fascinating! Thanks for the info.
They never used leather armor. It would be useless. A glades would just go right through
Yes there seems to be a lot of debate over that but thick hardened leather is quite strong. We were not able to cut right through it with a gladius.
@@ElvenForge you should sharpen your sword leather armor like this doesn't make any sense and would offer basicly 0 protection still it look pretty cool great craftmanship
Thanks for the compliment. And yes, a sharpened sword would definitely help, but you're still not going to punch through it as easily as you might think. Once it's hardened like this, it's like punching through wood.
I still would choose a subarmalis plus a lorica gallica any day over this junk