Tourbox Demo - How to Speed Up Your Drawing Workflow
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2020
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The folks over at Tourbox sponsored this video to see how I would use the Tourbox controller as part of my illustration workflow. This is a one handed, fully customizable controller with all sorts of buttons and dials and knobs. I walk through what the Tourbox is and how you can totally customize it to work with any app Like Photoshop, Illustrator, Premiere Pro, Light room and more.
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To be honest this look nice but does not much more than my set up: A Xbox One controlled that i map my commands with JoyToKey (a software to make your controller do whatever you want). In fact i think you can do more with the Xbox controller...
You summed up why I'm subscribed! Always good to dream, hahah
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It seems like a neat device, but something you didn't touch upon is button feel. When you click it they sound like they have a very clunky switch, like there's an actual microswitch under the button as opposed to something like a membrane switch as is on most keyboards and gamepads. When I am using peripherals like these the feel of the device is oftentimes more important than absolutely optimal button placement.
I just got myne from eBay for a decent price. There doesn't seem to be Cherry or Gateron micro switches in it. It actually feels in-between membrane and silent switches (I don't hear any click like on my single hand keypad Razer Orbweaver with green switches). It has weight to it and the body of the Tour-box has a smooth rubbery plastic feel. It does stay still and won't move while I have my hand on it (it stays stable).
On their newest version, tourbox Neo, seems like there are omron switches. Feels very nice and clicky, like good mouse buttons
I've had this for a couple of months!!! It's great!! as the long as they keep updating the software and fix some minor/annoying bugs(nothing to do with main functionality, it works pretty well) This little box will be perfected!! For future innovation, I wish they would put a little glow on some buttons for nightowls like me!! But I like the Tourbox. It's really good!!
does this work with android?
@@blue5had0w I don't think so!! www.tourboxtech.com/en/index.html
Do you still use it I'm planning on buying this but was in a battle between this and stream deck for art.
@@midollafun hell yea!! I still use it. Its great. I have it set up for Photoshop and Adobe Animate.
@@LaLiLuLeLoX Thats great because I just ordered mine 😆
honestly for that price,they should have made it wireless.
Is a yes and no for me, because sometimes there are lag in wireless devices, but yeah the cable makes it a great choice for desktop, but portable dont helps.
@@elsevillaart Unless you're doing some high-end fast paced gaming, lag or latency is pretty much a non-issue. Especially for creative works. We're talking 1 to 2 milliseconds here. This is way less than a heavy brush in any painting sofware
When you said clip studio my ears went "crisp"😁
The clipstudio tabmate looks more ergonomic to be honest
But its 170 dollar soooo
I picked one of these up on Black Friday for a steep discount and it's absolutely worth the price if you can swing it. Started out using it in Photoshop where it worked flawlessly, and ever since I switched to Clip Studio Paint I think it works even better if anything. I use the small dial for changing my brush size and the big one for rotating the canvas and that's been fantastic for lineart (since you can quickly get not only the right sized line, but also the optimum angle for your hand to make that line).
um I could get this, but for 200 dollars? I could get a good wacom tablet for that price and just teach my fingers to do the shortcuts 🤷♀️
For 50-60 dollars you could get a USB joystick, assign keypresses to that, and have the exact same workflow.
This actually looks really cool. So many different programs it can be used with. Gotta save up!
i just bought it, it is GREST...moreover, the online help was very good, a great tool for video editing...Bravoooo.
I ended up getting the XP Pen AC 19 remote for $36, for anyone looking for a cheaper option. It works really well. I have custom settings for all my different drawing and writing programs. This is really cool looking even at the price point, but if it's out of range there are affordable alternatives.
I really like the idea of this and it's really affordable in comparison to something like the Loupedeck. The thing I like most about this is that I imagine I could easily 'feel' my way around it without having to look and having an auto setting for flicking between PS and Illustrator could be really useful. Hopefully it wouldn't conflict with the shortcuts on my pen display.
Omg i thought you were reviewing some kind of fidget cube 😂 i had no idea this thing existed. But now that i know it does, it goes immediately on my wish list. I never much liked buttons on my drawing tablet, and i rarely use keyboard shortcuts. Neither feel comfortable. THIS looks much more comfortable and ergonomic. I am rarely convinced i will love a new piece of tech (only ever wished for 4 in my entire life), but this makes the list.
That looks super cool and super convenient 😎
Great review!
This looks great, though my only concern is how it would feel ergonomically on either hand? Being left handed as I draw/animate, if its just made for those who draw with their right hand, the buttons and toggles are not going to feel great. That's the only thing I can see as an issue with this.
it's funny you say that, because as a right-handed artist I was watching this and thinking "I would have a much easier time with this device if I was left handed". ergonomically it just seems like the switches and knobs that it wants you to use would work so much better with my right (drawing) thumb and index than my left. the two buttons on the right look like they would be great for a pinky/ring finger because they curve the same way, and there's even a button on the left side where your thumb would be at a perfect length to reach over and click it! If anything you might have an easier time than I :)
@@CDianneKArt Now you making me want to buy this and test to see whether or not it feels better in the left or right hand 😂. I think overall it really depends how much your hand will be on the device as you draw or animate or video editing. Like if you're using it as a easier way to do hotkeys I think either hand will be ok. BUT if your hand is resting on the entire time as you work, like animating or video work, I think it would feel like your hand is resting on the joystick as a left handed artist 😁 IMO.
@@chrisjaserart that's true! I just think if I was to put my left hand on it while drawing with my right, I would have the joystick, d pad and roller thing underneath the middle of my palm instead of near my fingers!! not as helpful XD and why that button on the side if it's so awkward to push with my fingers? makes more sense to me for a left hander. But you know it's true, it's all about how you'd be using it!
I have it. Im right handed with drawing and use my left hand to control the device. I actually got used to it. They have downloadable map presets you can use for CSP, PSCS, Painter, Affinity and a few more. You can also create your own preset.
After watching how you use it, I realize why Procreate is your favourite app. The shortkeys you used were exactly those on Procreate minimal interface :D
The Razer Tartarus v2 Gaming Keypad has worked best for me. Feels great in my hand and it has a ton of programmable buttons. It’s been a necessity for zbrush and PS.
I thought it was some kind of game controller at first! Very neat product!
This is really useful.
This is just an upgraded version of the Wacom remote. Yes, it's made to work for people who don't use a Wacom remote. The benefit is the type of buttons the tourbox has. The buttons were made to suit creators, wheels, d-pad, scroll, I think I also see an analog stick? Maybe if your not use to these control, a multi button mouse would probably do the same work, without the multiple wheels options as the tourbox offers. I wouldn't mind picking one up, due to me adapting to quick on screen buttons using my Intuos Pro. I'm not sure if he specified the price? Good job on creating something useful for creators, seems like a step forward for the industry. Great review!
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Please tell them to make an illustrator profile! Thanks for the review, just got this and wanted a pro review.
This is really cool. It's definitely something that will only work with certain artist and their work flow.
For me, I use a Huion KAMVAS 22 Pro with Clip Studio and I switch between tools so much that a wireless number pad just felt a lot better for my work flow. Why not just use the shortcut keys on the screen itself? I did, but my arm would get tired holding and shifting along the screen after long work hours. I also need A LOT of shortcut keys for all the tools that I use and a numberpad had the perfect amount of keys on it too. All the keys are within reach too, so I don't strain my hand after working for a long time. I noticed that you do have to pivot and extend your thumb around for certain buttons on the Tourbox since its mainly the thumb pressing most of the keys. When I work, I prefer to keep my shortcut hand as relaxed as possible. It's is already centralized on the number pad and I can use all my fingers including my thumb for quick shortcut key access without extending or stretching them over and over.
Again, the Tourbox could work for certain artist and their work flow. I just don't see it working well with mine.
I definitely enjoy keyboard alternatives, but after trying out the Clip Studio Tab Mate, I have a hard time going back to anything that pronates my forearm in the way that this does. I'm not sure if you can use the Tab Mate for anything other than clip studio, but if you use CSP like I do, then I highly recommend it as a keyboard alternative.
But does it work with an ipad? I was looking form something like this for my iPad especially because I am left handed and shortcuts for Procreate are made for right handed people. Either way I found something called the Noodle Pad, programmed it and I am loving it, it even has a knob you can use and all, plus I could program different profiles for Procreate, GoodNotes and Calipeg.
Not enough buttons for me... When drawing, I need at least 4 modifiers, 3 wheels, and 12 buttons. Yes, I'm serious.
And that one is not ergonomic enough since you are mostly use your thumbs, and occasionally other fingers. So you really only use one (or at most two) fingers at one time... similar to Wacom Remote.
IDK if you already review this one, but the most ergonomics "express key/controller" that I know this far is CLIP STUDIO owned express remote (tabmate). With tabmate, you use at least 3 fingers at the same time.
Also, let's not forget about the price.
Yeah I totally agree! I also got myself a ClipStudio Tabmate , switching tools / rotating / zooming / panning is really fast since you can keep it in your other hand while drawing. I was really happy when I realized I could customize it for Affinity or just about any software with JoyToKey.
Can I bind this to joystick/controller and use it to adjust FSS frequency in Elite Dangerous? I need more buttons for my sims, and this looks like it would fit in my setup next to my Stream deck.
I actually need this device
I would buy this to just click the button the whole time, it just sounds so satisfying to click.
Looks like a decent accesory, but... Will I be able to use it with the Galaxy Tab S7+ (or any other Android tablet for that matter)?
And if not, are there any similar gizmos that will do so?
Any cheaper alternatives to this? I was thinking of just getting a wireless keyboard so my other hand isn't at a weird angle
I'm trying to program my Tourbox to Logic Pro and I'm using the left and right small buttons bottom center to PUNCH IN and PUNCH OUT, but when I hit them, all that happens on the screen is a flash of white across the entire screen. I have it LINKED to Logic Pro, so I know that's not the problem. What else could it be?
So Brad, Can you use Photoshop in the Samsung Dex? I got really curious and I found a guy playing PC games using his phone with Samsung Dex.
How would this device hold up when compared to a side mini keyboard. I use one of those Razer mini Hotkey keyboards that often gamers use, it has scroll wheels and an analog stick and all programmable is hand size. I would love to see someone compare the two.
I've been looking for one of these! Do they have a right-handed version? It seems to be designed for the left hand, but that's the hand I draw with!
Same, I'm left handed too. At least lefties can hold the mouse while drawing, so maybe a gaming mouse with lots of extra buttons would be close enough.
@Brad Cowboy assuming that price isn't a factor, which do you think is better for art--the Tourbox or the Loupedeck CT? The thing I'm liking about the Loupedeck CT is that the touch buttons and knobs have customizable labels, making it easier to remember what everything does (which is important for me since I switch programs a lot). Loupedeck also has more buttons. But the Tourbox's funky layout is probably more conductive to muscle memory and it seems more specifically aimed at artists in terms of button placement. So I'm on the fence on which to get.
What did you choose?
I love this idea. However I find myself rarely using the desktop anymore now that I use Clip Studio on the iPad.
I actually use an XBOX One controller remapped with reWASD. I use it for drawing and 3D modeling. I find it much better than the Wacom Remote for the simple reason that I know what I am pressing, and don't have to take my eyes off the canvas.
Nice!
One question! I see you are not using the Samsung flex pen. So, what pen are you using that still work on the laptop?
I think it’s a bamboo ink pen.
If they had a preset for Aseprite, i would need to save some cash to buy this
Does it work with Procreate + Ipad?
I also suggest playstation navigation controller + xpadder (to map the hotkeys). They average around $20 on ebay for those looking for an even cheaper option
Gotta say I’m terribly interested. It sounds stupid but sometimes I break into a sweat and shoulder gets fatigued by locking my shoulder in place because I like the stroke I started but had to adjust something. it’s just easier for my lefty self to use my left arm to get that option. Like I said it sounds stupid but I’m definitely considering this piece. Thanks, Brad.
im left handed too but to me it looks terrible for leftists, your tumb wont reach the side buttons. have you tried a ps3 controller? you can set the analog sticks to four diferent function and if you rest it on a table you can use the d-pad as well, thats 8 to 10 buttons and 4 knobs.
Wacom's ExpressKey Remote is cheaper than this
whoa, i never even thought about using it without a Cintiq... great idea! I'd never use this with a flexbook/yoga/surface because I need fewer cables in my life.
Clip Studio's tab mate is even cheaper than wacom remote, and imo it's much better in term of ergonomics (though it's "less" in build quality).
But its buttons can only be set as fixed functions and cannot be set as combined functions，and its layout makes it hard to completely manipulate one hand, using Expresskey is not helpful with my workflow at all. TourBox kind of meets all my needs， I can cover the whole device one hand with all my fingers well positioned to the corresponding buttons. More importantly, it's fully customizable, the buttons can be used in composition.I suppose price is not that important for peripherals like these .
@@user-yx3ft7oi2d Assigning buttons and button combination is all due to software/driver (provided the hardware maker didn't screw up, like somehow they make so that only one button can be pressed at one time).
And if you find the driver sucks, there are some free workaround to make your own button combination or macro.
So the first important thing when looking for device like this IMO is the ergonomics... In my current layout, I use all my 5 fingers at the same time, so my workflow is very fast (pan, undo/redo, pen, eraser, zoom in/out, and with some slight finger movement and no eye movement, I can easily change to change color and color picker). I think it's very hard to do with Tourbox... Oh, and my current device is much cheaper compare to it...
So yes, price really matters, even for device like this (the only thing where price don't matter is when it has something to do with life/death). If price really doesn't matter to you, just send me 100k USD (shipping fee not included) and I will make your dream express remote, built from ground up, fully customized just for your usage only.
@@casekocsk I was just disagreeing with the saying that Wacom's ExpressKey Remote is cheaper, without comparing its internal function and layout. Now that you bring up Clip Studio's tab and its ergonomics. Sorry, my answer is still TourBox again. I've browsed many reviews on different products before I placed the order, Clip Studio's tab has been excluded in the first beginning. I felt it's easy to get broken and I need a device stable on the table to decrease the frequency I moving mu wrist and hand. Also, I suppose the buttons of TourBox tend to be more intuitive. It's everyone's free choice, I think it's worth so $100 is no big deal. And you made me laugh out on saying I should send you the money. Based on this disagreement between us, I don't think you can build anything useful for me
Follow up question brad.
You ever pull this thing out still? Or has it made its way into your workflow permanently in some way?
Looks cool though, But I think I would settle for a Razer Orbweaver or Tartarus since it would be less complicated, But I guess its just personal preference :)
Anybody know what stylus he's using that's compatible with the book flex?
I will be honest, this device looks good. But i use a Xbox One controller mapped with JoyToKey and i feel like i can do much more. I even have the center button mapped to cycle presets of other commands. I recommend people to try it out.
Honestly you should get a "8bitdo zero 2" bluetooth game controller for $25 and customize it to your liking. It works great. Brad make sure to take a look at this.
Will you do a Tab s7 plus vs Ipad pro smackdown?
Or do a review for all the android drawing apps on the tab s7 plus? Just wondering, also I love your vids
this TOURBOX can CAD & Blender 3D user to fix well in their workflow?
Make full review on Clip Studio using tab S7 plus
How layers we can get and if is there any special feature can beats procreate
Oh random question.... What is that music you use for your outro? Weird question, I know right?
It's sooooo expensive though. Alternatively, you can buy a usb/Bluetooth Numpad keyboard then map the numbers to macro shortcuts.
I got a thing with 10 programmable buttons and a dial for 35 dollars, works great, it can also be programmed to work differently with certain apps.
Hey Brad, big fan. Love your channel. Quick question: does something like this exist for iOS. Maybe I need one my google keyword abilities because I can’t find one. Thanks!
Im trying to download the Krita preset software but it’s saying that Krita doesn’t support it. Do uk how to fix this issue?
I use Krita with tourbox, it's been awesome. you should contact their tech support, maybe it's some setting errors or bugs on your computer, just saying.
I used to use a nostromo gaming pad, think it has a lot more buttons and options than this and is cheaper. Just use the clip tabmate now though.
I feel like it could use like 2 or 3 more face buttons to set to enter & shift.
does it have any latency at all that you notice?
But the price , and not wireless. Would a razor Orbweaver not be better and more ergonomic. I suppose the big thing is the automatic sync with each programme.
For this price i would opt for a razer orbweaver instead.
Nostromo is still superior tbh. Can't beat that scroll wheel and ergonomic design. Next best option is tartarus.
Do you have your Photoshop preset to download?
I don't know.. It's pretty nifty and probably just what a lot of people need for certain this-and-that's, but I think my $20 orbweaver knockoff works just fine for CSP and has a lot more customization for shortcuts and hotkeys and such
Whats up with the drone controller for drawing controller tools lmao
When is tab s7 vs ipadpro
And
Tab s 7 vs tab s6 coming brad?
Is there any for left handed?
What’s that glove you are wearing?
can i use it also for ipad?
I ues my ds4 controller combine with joytokey instead,and if you have a joycon would be much better
Hi Brad, do you know if it works well in Zbrush ? Many thanks
you can find a preset or set macro keyboard shortcut to the buttons on the tourbox. You can even hold down one button and use another button to do different things and vice versa. You can use it for CSP/PSCS series/ Painter/ Sketchbook/ Video editing software of all variants and so forth.
Shuttle ProV2 is a great alternative for easy shortcuts for artist and it's only $99.99 on amazon
Does it works with iPad pro?
Hey folks a word of warning with regards to price. I just ordered one then got an email from DHL a few days later with a bill for an additional 50 euros for import taxes, which kinda sucks. The advertised price was just about in my ‘give it a punt’ price range. If i had known about the additional charges I might have thought twice. Anyways it should be arriving tomorrow :) hopefully it’ll be super handy.
How has it been working for you?
It is super handy!! You can hookup so many shortcuts to it and even add onscreen dropdowns and add macros. And if that still isn’t enough you can assign 2x different sets of shortcuts to the same app and switch between them. Definitely a big thumbs up from me. I recently backed their latest kickstarter so I have a Bluetooth one too which means I can even mirror my desktop to my iPad using Astropad and take my Tourbox and doodle on the couch. I heard that they are planning to add the ability to connect to the iPad directly too at some stage which would be fantastic.
hope they keep ading built in options because with that pricce there is not reason to buy this over something like the Razer Tartarus keypad
Is it OK for left handers like me?
i check the website and do free shipping but i was wondering if the do international shipping.
they do actually, got mine when i travel in phiipphines.
It looks quite big (great in some situations, not great when travelling around).
The plastic used for the buttons has that really cheap tacky look.
Honestly, the Wacom ExpressKey Remote seems to have more inputs.
Sad to see no right-hand option for lefties like me who'd be drawing with my left hand.
Same!
I'm right handed, but to be honest - the whole time I was seeing myself using that thing upside down.
a neat device but i still like using a keyboard. i name my layers and do a lot of key combination with it even when i am not looking at it. and with that price you can already get decent wireless mechanical keyboard.
Can I use this with Samsung Galaxy S7 Plus?
real question, is this compatible with android tablet?
Does this work with the iPad?
it's not too oddly shaped that i think as a leftie i could still use it
Well if you use Leonardo on devices with touch only and stylus then touch is all you need
I think it could be usefull for devices without touch input like wacoms stuff
Nice way to get away from the keyboard
Would it work with Apple and Zbrush?
Interesting
Watching this i got an idea. XD i could just button map a switch controller or xbox controller to the pc.
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Does this work on Galaxy Tab S9 Ultra?
This thing looks like it'd be fantastic to control live streams for volumes and scenes and whatnot, fantastic!
Nah, for livestream you're gonna want the ones with blank buttons, you don't need knobs, arrows and whatnot, just regular square buttons. I forgot what my colleagues are using but it looks simpler, they program all the buttons themselves depending on the gig. Just as expensive tho.
@@frostreaper1607 I do need knobs and arrows. Configurable volume control (specially if it uses macros) is all I'm really missing that a keyboard can't easily do.
I mean, the blank buttons in something like a streamdeck, they're really nice looking, but I just put some hand drawn icons on a label and put it on top of my 5$ keypad and it works just as well.
Not for volumes, though, that's considerably harder.
wish they made a version for us lefties I feel like we're the one's who most need a small shortcut controller on our right side since a keyboard is too big to put on the right side depending on your setup
I was thinking about this too while watching. When googling I found that there was supposedly an alternate version for left handed people which you’d use with your right during the kickstarter campaign but I can’t find any evidence it actually exists. Certainly can’t find a way to order one.
will you do a callipeg tutorial soon?
Brad: I put this in a nice drawing position
Samsung Galaxy Flex: I feel like laying down
Brad: fine, just do what you want
Also, is there a left handed version of this?
Put it on the right side of the monitor
@@blntwzrd very funny, but of course when you do that all the buttons and dials will be reversed making it completely different than what Brad just showed.
@@bendesignsmedia i didn't realize they were all assigned, thought it was like macros and you could change them, my b
@@blntwzrd I think you can change them to what ever you want, so it might be fine, it just looked like it was set up for the way Brad was using it, but maybe we just need to see a left handed user work with it, then maybe I would find out it is fine for them.
@@bendesignsmedia the world needs more ambidextrous peripheral reviews, that'd honestly help a lot of people out. I wonder if anybody has made a modular macro deck that you can swap the pieces or invert them as needed.
Does it work with an ipad?
Full Color, black and white manual.
I use a Razer Tartarus for same thing, but that looks way better
How you shoot your videos. tutorial please😊
Pretty cool, but Loupdeck CT ftw :)