Basically how I see it Big UA-camrs with merchandise and Partron: Oh I doesn't bother me because I have three different ways to get money. Smaller youtubers: Oh I work my ass off for this type content, but I shouldn't get money for it at all because some big UA-camr said so.
Justyn HaLl "It's true UA-cam, this was never a money platform" then why they have a ton of advertisements if they aren't interested in money? why the creators sell youtube to google by a multi-millionaire sum? Why singers, pop artist, companies, promote in this platform? Even at it's starting they still need to maintain alive the plataform wich means get recourses to maintain it, and that means they sould need money iven at the very begining to maintaining youtube, so don't give the "youtube is not for profit" excuse. No one lives for the state of the art only and most people are willing to support artist for artist's state of the art sake, it's a quid pro quo relationship.
"Remember when you were a kid and played basketball in the park for free? Why do we have to pay you now Lebron James? You should play for the love of the game."
You realize that’s an argument for the opposite site, bigger UA-cam’s are still getting paid. It’s just very small creators that aren’t (mostly because of spam and bot accounts UA-cam had to deal with in the past view years)
You paid to get better at art? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. All you have to do is practice and in the age of Google you have limitless access to every technique and style in every medium from all of human history and step-by-step descriptions of how to do it.
@@oddpoppetesq.3467 You'd have to be an idiot to believe that drawing in any medium or style is something that you can't be taught or learn with enough practice.
The was a cartoonist and artist who uploaded a video about being asked to work with the Kardashians... you know... the ones who lost an earring worth 8 million dollars and didn't think it a big deal... Who wanted to pay him in exposure.
@Snoi Med I think it's the same guy, his name's Andrei Trebeia? Basically the compant working with Kylie Jenner wanted him to work for free, which is just shitty.
The Kardashians have the reputation of being if not the top then one the worst of celebrities to work for. With the subject even being repeatedly reported on all over types of entertainment media news and hell even Buisnesses and the workers themselveshave spoken out on their own experiences from working for em. With people's accounts from around the world with all their traveling and all of them pretty much the same experience with the family. Which is basically that the Kardashians are extremely rude, arrogant, snobby, entitled, ridiculously high maintenance and demands. And after the terrible treatment the hoops they jump through to serve them they don't tip. They show themselves as kind, are actually down to earth, thoughtful and etc personal image of themselves on their reality show. Well reality shows are fake. Many waiters and waitresses, bartenders, hotel staff etc said how horrible and pain in the ass they are and with unbelievable demands. One waitress said how Khloe had actually got a napkin to whip her arm when she accidently grazed it while serving her and her group. Just not considerate of others to say the least just treating others so rude and poorly. They have been banned from places and also banned from filming in locations as well with people not wanting to deal with them and locals of the nice and popular spots wanted for filming not wanting them there or deal with them and the cameras of what follows for filming the show
Tbh, I'd agree with them, it's just an earring, lol, what's it doing being worth 8 million dollars? If I were, them, I'd just sell it, but I'd feel bad about selling it for the person who bought it, because they are buying a piece of junk for way too much money. Of course, I'd probably never have such an earring in the first place lol
To be fair most hyper rich people didn't get rich by being generous, or kind to people. In fact rich people can often be oddly frugal and will try and get out of paying where ever they possibly can.
The debate at the end is really important. I'm a freelance artist, and currently all the money I earn is from commissions. I'm not famous, my following is a little over 1k in a niche website, but I have mostly the same 30 frequent clients. However, even being a small artist I earn enough to pay my bills and help my family. UA-cam distorted some people's minds in a way that they only think about numbers, that someone can only be successful if they have over a million fans, and that's bullshit. I do what I love and I live well with my small following. It's all about finding your place and your audience, not about being the biggest and most famous.
If you can't verify one pedophilia accusation in your news show then do you believe you should call yourself *#1 source for News* on the *Social interactions in Online Entertainment?*
Science Chomp you can't be you have under 1000 sub you have to have more then 1000 subs but I know you mean that you want to have adds on your video to make a few dollars
Faze Avocado They changed the rules. Before, it didn't matter how many subscribers you had, all that counted was viewer figures. The catch was that you couldn't touch the money until you had $250. Altogether, with a couple of other channels, I got to something like $160, but then the rules changed.
what, no to not being paid? Or no to the gig? also hard to get yourself out there as a band by not playing shows. Also they only tell you after the fact.
Honestly as a working musician if Amanda Palmer asked me to play with her, unpaid, I would *consider* it, because at that level, being able to say "I have played with Amanda Palmer, I made it through the audition process to play with a Dresden Doll live, officially" is pretty big and while it doesn't pay the bills it looks impressive on a resume enough that it will likely have an effect. I'd still definitely rather get paid because I'm frequently called over people with better skills because I am reliable
Yeah, honestly I feel like it was less Amanda being a cheapskate and more of her having a very large ego and thinking that the volunteer opportunity had value equivalent to actual money. Which is why she’s so pleased with herself when she was made to actually pay them, because wow, they got this great opportunity AND they got paid? It’s practically charity! Yikes
I was ok with everything here, until the exposure bit. Kickstarter was about delivering albums. I assume everyone got them, so that's ok. But the exposure part and not paying musicians was pure douchebaggery.
I'm a working artist & I'm as down on 'exposure' based exploitation as anybody, but I gave some work to this tour for free and I can say with absolute confidence that what Amanda was doing at the time is not even in the same reference class. She's a community builder. Letting the fans into her creative spaces & process is more like Taylor Swift hosting highly exclusive fan-parties than it is some corporation getting someone to run their social-media for no compensation, or even TFP modelling. Amanda has done so much for us. A lot of us are prepared to put in significant efforts in return, over & above album & ticket sales. Separate point: The money that came in through the kickstarter was already earmarked, too. A Kickstarter isn't a donation aggregator, it's a pre-order system. All of this is detailed in The Art of Asking if you're interested. The idea that she's being somehow dishonest, or that everyone who joins in on her efforts isn't comfortable with these methods, just isn't true.
If you gave someone a birthday present of, say, 10 vouchers for backrubs, wouldn't that be the same as working for free? It's literally physical labor, but it's not immoral nor unethical. Let's say Seb asked Amanda what she wanted for her birthday and she replied "come play at my show", to which he agreed, how would that be any different? Seb seems very aware that he wouldn't get paid. On the other hand, if she explicitly claimed the musicians should do it for the exposure, that's an entirely different beast.
Been binge watching your videos since yesterday, and every time I'm amazed at Karl's mission to screw with the green screen via shirts. Keep up the good work guys!
My channel used to be monetized, back when they'd send you a check at a certain threshold of ad revenue, I think it was $100, I was at around $93 when they changed the standards, they wiped it all, so I removed all my old videos because they still had adds and I felt petty. The only argument I've ever understood about shiting payment, is for every small youtuber consistently uploading bringing in their 100-1000 views, is 1000 kids using it for a school science project, or reuploading unmonetized family guy that eats server space. Love the vid as always.
Dang my Friend makes you tube videos and when I was younger I thought that was so cool and I asked how muck he makes and he said like a few cents every week or mouth and he doesn’t care because he’s a kid not someone who need to pay rent ( also his name is rmm films
This video may be old, but it does make me feel like my skills have weight. I’m an artist who loves to draw, I have a patreon and have 8 people supporting me, it feels amazing to know that my art is good enough for some one to watch me. I work as hard as I can as well as work on my skills and streams, I’m still small but I feel amazing when I see even one person watching my streams. I hate people who belittle me because I’m not big yet. This video especially the ending makes me want to work harder just for those words of encouragement that you gave.
I ADORED Evelyn Evelyn, one of her side projects, and now I just can't help but regret the amount of lessons I spent listening to it. Could've learned calculus or some shit.
That moment when you think your volume is low enough for the rest at home to sleep while u watch vids And suddenly they scream "expooosuuuuure" In the most ghostly voice ever
Internships should be illegal. For a start only financially independent or solvent people (or trust fund kids) can afford to take these positions. That directly excludes anyone from low income families from doing it, even if their brilliant at something.
You two are the first youtubers I've seen that actually seems to know what you're talking about when it comes to the change in the UA-cam algorithm. Keep at it
You're wearing Schrödinger's t-shirt! :D Bits of it keep on flashing in and out existence - and I love it! Keep on making cool content Karl and the team!
I've played in bands for more than a decade, making almost no money, spending thousands of dollars of my own money for gear, countless hours of practice, countless hours of writing and creating, and driving thousands of miles to shows. That being said, people still offer exposure to play shows. I understand that an unsigned and small band doesn't deserve a million dollars for every show, but at least $100 a gig or literally anything would be nice. Maybe to help out with the expenses. Help validate what I do. As the years passed, we stopped contacting local promoters. It wasn't out of malice. It was because we were tired of playing for free while they made money from our sales. We started throwing our own shows. We started paying the bands that we have playing with us. We tried so hard to make sure everyone walked away with at least a few bucks in their pockets. Doing something for "exposure" is the most insulting and infuriating thing any artist/creator can ever go through and the fact that it still happens regularly is insane. It would be like if I brought my toolbox filled to the brim to your house and fixed your car just to have you tell me after that you won't give me any money, but you'll tell your friends about me. I'm off my soapbox now, but this subject in particular brings back so many instances that I wish I had never fallen for the shit. Keep supporting the ones you want to keep seeing. Always.
I genuinely don't understand why everyone cares so much about this (and i am an artist). It's her act as an artist, if she wants to give exposure for other artists, that's already more generosity than most artists out there. She's not obligated to use her money in any other way than she promised, when we, her fans (including myself), gave our money over to her. There are much more pressing things out there to give money to than some artists who she gave exposure to, no one can prove she kept it for herself and didn't give much of it to per se political causes. And what's wrong with her paying off her debts? She earned the money and she covered what she promised to do with it. No one, not even feminists, are this invested in analyzing successful men and all the specific details of how they use their money. y'all are just reactive to a woman shaking up the balance.
@@jaceofheartstheprinceofbed9415 Fuck you for pulling the gender card, you nut hugget She did something shitty and calling her out on her bullshit is justified.
As a creator myself, I absolutely love making videos - and especially knowing there are people watching every video I upload. But if I were able to monitize my videos and get paid, I wouldn't care any less about my those people! Getting paid would mean that I could put more time into it, rather than having to earn money from other jobs. So for us creators wanting to get paid doesn't mean we're not caring for our fans. I would say it's the quite opposite: If we get paid, we can put more time into it and create more and better content for our fans.
Record labels do not absorb the cost of album production. All of that is recoupable by the label, and the artist is on the hook for it. That's why so many younger signed musicians will never own their catalog, and some will go bankrupt from debt to labels to the tune of potentially millions of dollars. And no recording studio on the planet will absorb the cost of an artist making an album.
Pretty sure you misunderstood. An artist with a label doesn't have to front the cost of producing, mixing, printing an album. The label absorbs that cost initially and recoups it from album sales. As far as artists going broke that tends to be more from poor people getting handed a large some of money. I mean even Will Smith had this issue.
sween187 it's so weird because at some level the exposure argument makes sense and it only seems to break down when you realize nobody has to stop making the argument. Seems like realizing the problem should be easy... And then it's not
It's cool is she keeps all of it. The problem is that I as a performer wouldn't want to work with her if she wants to pay me in exposure when I know she got 10 times more than what sheasked for. She can afford to pay me a small amount and I know it. Simple.
@@clivemuthomi3134 The exposure controversy was taken out of context. It was happening when she was transitioning from being a fairly unknown DIY artist to a more known successful one. The DIY music scene's culture is like that everyone knows each other and plays in each others shows without money being the currency its an economy of favors. I know because I come from the same DIY scene. The people that played with her weren't some random poor musicians who were promised "exposure" they were her friends and fans and part of a chain of continuing mutual favors that DIY artists do for each other. Its a sort of cultural honor code. Also her album and touring ended up costing way more money than she had anticipated so its not like by keeping the money she was rolling in dough.
Why thank you! We haven't been going too long so 7k is great in ours eyes. We might accelerate faster if we constantly plugged like/comment/sub/share in our videos like some channels do, but we're against doing that as most people watch ads to access the video anyway so why take up another five minutes of your time every video with more advertising. -Brad
i mean a dedicated 500 people coming back repeatedly, on youtube where there is who knows how many youtubers probably also doing what someone is making videos about, if a smaller content creator can still pull in subscribers in that sea of fame against them (because tbf it's basically like having a giant venue with everyone famous and not all in the same building, but people still come to see you) that is worth being paid the time for
As always, enjoyable video and particularly interesting to hear your take on the monetisation requirements. I'm trying to grow but it's a very gradual journey, I haven't reached the requirements yet. Regardless of size, every piece of content that is uploaded and viewed has value and would be nice to see everyone get their fair share.
I love this channel because even in April 2019, after they've set up a merch store, been able to do youtubr full time and been flown to LA to game for charity with Herman Li, they still make it about the content not the money. They said they've sold under 100 shorts on the merch store (which is redbubble and pays like shit) because they don't advertise it. They raised all the costs of sending them to LA and then more instead of accepting an offee to go there all expenses paid for free. This channel cares! And while I'd love to see them at Summer in the City or Vidcon UK, they'd never go because it's not their style.
I've been binging your content for days now, and I actually felt like checking out your patreon... I am so happy to see this: *"As of May 2018, we are no longer accepting new Patrons. Our income from our UA-cam channel at present is substantial enough to support us both of us and we could not, in good conscience, continue to take monthly payments from our fans. If you would like to support the channel, you can do so by following us on UA-cam, Twitter or Twitch and by sharing our content with others. Thank you to everyone who supported us at the beginning and to you, whoever is reading this, as you quite possibly clicked through to donate to the channel. We couldn’t have done it without you. Karl and Brad"* Keep being awesome, Karl and Brad.
I mean, if you get more than you need off a Kickstarter, you cannot be expected to pour the excess in the project if it does not need it. That would just be waste.
i never thought about UA-cam monetization until the last thing you said. That's pretty much a company deciding (or being told) that they need to make more money, so they just stop paying their suppliers. this should have ended up with a class action suit.
Also back in the days before monetisation... there weren’t monolithic titans of the platform back then... having to sift through those for new faces is a rare breed
Before the monetization was about to change, I was about $5 away from my first youtube paycheck, doing it part time for my friends. about $97 was basically thanos'd away when the method changed. Ive removed all my old videos from my channel since then. My plan was to use that to buy party games to play with friends to make content for friends I cant regularly see from public school days.
You were always paying for everything that goes into making an album. Everything you're talking about is "recoupable," and the artist ends up paying for it. Including videos, etc. And the label decides how much they pay, and the artist doesn't get to see the bill. All of the cost of making an album _and_ the label CEO's ever-increasing profits are paid for by the people buying the album. Kickstarter just means that artists don't have to end up in with zero to negative funds after an album. Or have their album entirely squashed because the label thought it was worth it to string you along, have you put your hard work into an album, then make sure no one ever heard said album so that your work wouldn't distract from their more pop-friendly artist in the same genre. Yes, she should have paid for those other artists. Yes, it's disingenuous for her to act like she's a regular independent artist when she's not any more. What she did was hypocritical and indefensible. And I think you and others are and were right to be outraged at her behavior. But $100+ thou is less than a fireman I know makes, and he's scraping by and dealing with debt. Between his kids and just, you know, life, his paycheck doesn't go but so far. And as I described, yes, an album has to pay for all the royalties that got paid out up front, so yes, recording costs are almost _always_ paid by sales after the fact. It usually takes more than a year to make an album. A $100+ salary for the year is good enough to be stable and comfortable for a single person in most US cities, but not more than that. And regardless of who anyone's husband is, it's not unreasonable for a musician to take a decent, stable wage for their work out of Kickstarter funds. Frankly, I think it's more of an issue that tours are generally how artists make their money, not albums, and she didn't have the contemporary burden of a 360 deal taking tour money away from artists. She shouldn't have needed Kickstarter money to pay musicians, the money from the gigs (including merch and such) should have done that.
That tweet from Cade is especially galling when I remember him making a video about how he dropped out of high school and on the way out had himself a fun little mic drop in front of the principal, based on the money he was making on UA-cam.
This is a complicated thing. The kickstarter extras were expensive to provide and added as stretch goals. The band had a history of inviting local artists to appear on stage with them, voluntarily and couch surfing when they could. A fairer view would be that Ms Palmer was possibly unprepared for the success of the kickstarter. True, at the time, it looked like a scam, but there was no malice involved in the setup. Sometimes, it's possible to drop the ball, whils having the best of intentions. She's not a monster. We all do stuff that we enjoy doing for free, from time to time.
The end segment of this one is still very relevant! Although I have now hit 1k subs, because I did it through the new UA-cam Shorts feature for mobile, I haven't got the 4000 hours of watch-time to be able to monetise. It's really not easy trying to start from scratch, especially if you haven't got the time to make videos as a full-time job.
This happens with all kinds of artist. If I had 10 dollars every time someone ask me to do a face painting event for exposure I would have a vacation home and a boat.
I like the point about how the artists playing these smaller venues we're no less important to the show then the artist playing the big venues but also kind of says "f*** your small town you don't pay me enough to bother making sure that the money you pay goes toward a concert with quality musicians and not your disgruntled cousin in high school getting paid in clout
Karl, your analogy makes sense... when i was a working DJ, it was all about how many people i could bring. if i brought twenty people who each brought a drink i got bloody paid. 1000 people? you couldn't even fit a 1000 in the building. Its got to the point where "a view" is worth about one pence and that's just silly. They should make it easier for struggling artists to get a leg up, after all youtube would be nothing without its content creators. If they end up missing the next big thing because some brilliant chap (or lady) gives up on youtube and finds another venue, they're going to feel a right twat for not giving said person a leg up in the first place.
Interesting fact - Record labels do pony up the cash but in the form of a recoupable, meaning that money comes out of what you make on sales wit interest. Love that new car they gave you? hope you do because, yup, it comes out of those sales too along with any expense accrued. All the way down to sandwiches purchased during a recording session, for example. This is how they screw the artist and why thanks to technology and accessibility now, artists can control their own destiny. So why would you sign a record deal these days? Used to be for distribution but even that isn't much of a problem anymore, maybe for marketing.
In fairness a lot of big acts use to charge support acts to go on tour with them. They would promise you'd make the cash back selling merchandise and building a fanbase.
HOWEVER - it is important to note that the kickstarter was TO PRODUCE THE ALBUM - previously she had included other musicians on stage to get them into their local audience. I thought it was a crappy move initially, but when you look at the figures, she didnt actually make a whole bunch of cash on that tour. It was only the 'magic' figure of 1 million that made people cross.
SO many people pissed me off with the demonetization thing, like sure you didn't make good money but there were a lot of families who make consistent videos with low subs that were making upwards of 700$ a month but that's not much money you know
It's my understanding that no one who was demonitized even made that much money. I would need to see the facts though I haven't seen any real statistics just a bunch of rhetoric.
But, $700 a month can make a huge difference. That's quite a bit of wiggle room if you're only making your rent and food from your job, especially with kids.
Sheand Neil were not married when the campaign started. And one thing you are hilatiously ignoring is that she didn't force her fans to pay anything. And she was not that well known before it. She tried doing it the old classic way, studio and all that, and she got caught in a bunch of problems. Also, the musicians who accepted to play for free... accepted it. Also, she had money problems even after that, even during her relationship with a bestselling novelist, because she was still not ok asking him for money. ALSO, don't deny all the charities that she and her husband are doing. Or even better, read her book.
i'm saving this video because that ending segment is the best argument against the larger youtubers points that just get echoed. like saying that there are limited ads so give them to the people who can live off them seems sound on paper but in actuallity a lot of those channels also have secondary money making streams and the people who could benefit from it the most are the people only getting like £100 or some shit to help bridge the gaps full time work can't pay for because under 25 wages are absolute dogshit.
My dad has a yt channel and was at about 500 subscribers when the policy for monetization changed. There is one big thing about that that we figured out which others may not be aware of. After this change it was extremely hard to get to his channel if you were just searching for videos about the shows he reviews, By advertising on a different internet show he finally hit 1k subs, and then his count just started skyrocketing because now the algorithm deems him worthy of showing up in search results. So if you dont have the 1k and a person looking for content you make but unaware of you or your channel are very unlikely to find you. It is not at all easy to reach that 1k unless you can find someone already well established willing to give you a shout out or collab.
She also asked for burlesque, sideshow/circus & fire performers to add to her atmosphere but she wanted us to "APPLY" with a submission fee & we'd be paid in exposure. Here in FL our showgirl industry all collectively said "FUCK HER" & NO ONE took the gig that was a quality artist.
I use to love making videos and taking photos but I stopped doing it because buying equipment cost money and I didn't think I'd ever make money from it If I could have made money on UA-cam not enough to live off but enough to buy and maintain my equipment then I would have been satisfied
Honestly as a writer too, I feel your pain. Like if it’s for a friend I’ll do it for free but it’s when I know these people have paid writers in the past it really pisses me off.
Did you actually watch it? if you did you'd probably understand where she was coming from with this. not that it matters cause she admitted she was wrong afterwords
Businesses do not need to be global in order to be profitable. When I was studying business and economics I was told that a basic independent convenience store, i.e. a 'cornershop' needed a catchment area with no direct competition and no less than 300 people in order to be viable as a business. I don't know if that is still a rule of thumb but there are certainly many independent businesses that get by with only a few regular customers.
I ultimately want to start a cooking channel, but I'm still on the fence about whether to try to monetize it through UA-cam if it gets popular enough to qualify, or whether to just go with Ko-fi. On the one hand, I hate ads with a passion and I know lots of other people do too, but on the other hand, it'd be nice to have a revenue stream that's not coming out of the pockets of my fans.
I had already left UA-cam by that point, but those changes convinced me to never come back. Essentially, I'm not a talented editor or creator, it takes me days just to edit one 15min video. To even come close to making UA-cam a career, I'd have to quit my job and do UA-cam full time, plus overtime. Not getting paid until I hit a certain mark? Forget that, I'd starve long before I even got close. @#$% UA-cam.
... most people don't make money until well after the start People have to spend the entirety of their free time working on YT until it starts paying out. Same rules for everyone. You just sound fucking entitled
@@stitchfinger7678 Maybe, but if I have to choose between the hamster wheel of content creation and the hamster wheel of wage labour, I'm going to pick the one that's legally required to pay me, you know? I do get that a lot of people on UA-cam can make it work. Good for them. It was an honour to be among them for a short while. But I'm smart enough to recognise my limitations, and I'm simply not good enough to make the situation work, especially when they add extra barriers like this.
With all that said, I haven't entirely given up on video production. I do have a few projects that I'm planning out (particularly one that would poke fun at a certain transphobic author), but I can't give it much attention because, y'know, I have a job.
what loot of the people mean by the "dont do it for money" is that you shouldn't just quit your job and say "im a youtuber".. they mean you should do youtube for fun, because you enjoy it, and then, when it starts making you money, and enough money to do it fulltime, then thats when you transition and quit your job
To be fair if you get more money than you ask for from kickstarter, and doesn't need it to launch your product then that money is yours to pocket. The exposure thing is BS though.
"some dipshit i can't remember"
that's the biggest roast on keemstar i've ever heard and it probably wasn't even intentional
@@u.s.s.chucklefucker1657 the good news is; screenshots live forever
ive never heard of that person
to be fair the nazi fucking deserved it lmao
"If you're good at something, never do it for free."
-Joker
Someone get this man a cookie !
that is an oddly inspiring quote, considering who said it
Are you implying I should become a gigolo?
Or an intern.
The quote is older, but everyone under 40 just knows it from the Batman movie
I saw a lot of that "don't do it for the money" garbage when the changes were made. Thanks for standing up to the small channels!
Same! It's nice seeing that some people actually get it!
Basically how I see it
Big UA-camrs with merchandise and Partron: Oh I doesn't bother me because I have three different ways to get money.
Smaller youtubers: Oh I work my ass off for this type content, but I shouldn't get money for it at all because some big UA-camr said so.
Justyn HaLl "It's true UA-cam, this was never a money platform" then why they have a ton of advertisements if they aren't interested in money? why the creators sell youtube to google by a multi-millionaire sum? Why singers, pop artist, companies, promote in this platform? Even at it's starting they still need to maintain alive the plataform wich means get recourses to maintain it, and that means they sould need money iven at the very begining to maintaining youtube, so don't give the "youtube is not for profit" excuse. No one lives for the state of the art only and most people are willing to support artist for artist's state of the art sake, it's a quid pro quo relationship.
I knows he doesn’t have ads.
Standing up for the small channels surely
"Remember when you were a kid and played basketball in the park for free? Why do we have to pay you now Lebron James? You should play for the love of the game."
You realize that’s an argument for the opposite site, bigger UA-cam’s are still getting paid. It’s just very small creators that aren’t (mostly because of spam and bot accounts UA-cam had to deal with in the past view years)
I didnt go 30K plus dollars in debt to get better at art just to get payed in exposure. I want to make a living doing the stuff I love.
mipmipmipmipmip nice satire, very funny. Made me not suicidal. Thanks👍🏻
what a waste of 30 grand.
Chris Brindas what a waste of oxygen you are.
You paid to get better at art? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. All you have to do is practice and in the age of Google you have limitless access to every technique and style in every medium from all of human history and step-by-step descriptions of how to do it.
@@oddpoppetesq.3467 You'd have to be an idiot to believe that drawing in any medium or style is something that you can't be taught or learn with enough practice.
The was a cartoonist and artist who uploaded a video about being asked to work with the Kardashians... you know... the ones who lost an earring worth 8 million dollars and didn't think it a big deal... Who wanted to pay him in exposure.
@Snoi Med I think it's the same guy, his name's Andrei Trebeia? Basically the compant working with Kylie Jenner wanted him to work for free, which is just shitty.
The Kardashians have the reputation of being if not the top then one the worst of celebrities to work for. With the subject even being repeatedly reported on all over types of entertainment media news and hell even Buisnesses and the workers themselveshave spoken out on their own experiences from working for em. With people's accounts from around the world with all their traveling and all of them pretty much the same experience with the family. Which is basically that the Kardashians are extremely rude, arrogant, snobby, entitled, ridiculously high maintenance and demands. And after the terrible treatment the hoops they jump through to serve them they don't tip. They show themselves as kind, are actually down to earth, thoughtful and etc personal image of themselves on their reality show. Well reality shows are fake. Many waiters and waitresses, bartenders, hotel staff etc said how horrible and pain in the ass they are and with unbelievable demands. One waitress said how Khloe had actually got a napkin to whip her arm when she accidently grazed it while serving her and her group. Just not considerate of others to say the least just treating others so rude and poorly. They have been banned from places and also banned from filming in locations as well with people not wanting to deal with them and locals of the nice and popular spots wanted for filming not wanting them there or deal with them and the cameras of what follows for filming the show
Tbh, I'd agree with them, it's just an earring, lol, what's it doing being worth 8 million dollars? If I were, them, I'd just sell it, but I'd feel bad about selling it for the person who bought it, because they are buying a piece of junk for way too much money. Of course, I'd probably never have such an earring in the first place lol
To be fair most hyper rich people didn't get rich by being generous, or kind to people.
In fact rich people can often be oddly frugal and will try and get out of paying where ever they possibly can.
@@oddpoppetesq.3467 Their is only one person I know who got rich for doing that person is Mr beast
The debate at the end is really important. I'm a freelance artist, and currently all the money I earn is from commissions. I'm not famous, my following is a little over 1k in a niche website, but I have mostly the same 30 frequent clients. However, even being a small artist I earn enough to pay my bills and help my family. UA-cam distorted some people's minds in a way that they only think about numbers, that someone can only be successful if they have over a million fans, and that's bullshit. I do what I love and I live well with my small following. It's all about finding your place and your audience, not about being the biggest and most famous.
Of COURSE it's Keemstar. Of COURSE it is.
Fuck keemstar
Why wouldn't it be keemstar. The queen of starting more fucking drama while reporting on "drama"
Use code keem for 20% of G Fuel
If you can't verify one pedophilia accusation in your news show then do you believe you should call yourself *#1 source for News* on the *Social interactions in Online Entertainment?*
Keemstar is a fucking gnome.
I can't pay my bills, feed my family of 87 and pay off my dealer with 'exposure'
The kind of exposure that brings in officials or new costumers or both?
SimplySam 87?! Well you sure are busy aren’t you 😉😂
SimplySam i tried to use that exposure in public and i got arrested and they said it was indecent
Poor guy. I'll pay you in exposure.
The eviction office didn't want to be paid with exposure! What scumbags!
As a demonetised channel, I say, Bravo for sticking up for the little guy!
Science Chomp you can't be you have under 1000 sub you have to have more then 1000 subs but I know you mean that you want to have adds on your video to make a few dollars
Faze Avocado They changed the rules. Before, it didn't matter how many subscribers you had, all that counted was viewer figures. The catch was that you couldn't touch the money until you had $250. Altogether, with a couple of other channels, I got to something like $160, but then the rules changed.
Andy Kirkham Cheers :)
+Science Chomp
One from me too. Too be honest, your content seems to my kind of thing anyway. :)
Luckyshot Thank you :)
Remember when keemstar's channel was about standing up for smaller UA-camrs? Pepperridge Farm remembers
Gold star for the Pepperrige Farm reference
I literally don't
I became aware of him cuz he was being a douchebag
Hasnt he always been a douchebag?
As Heath Ledger's Joker once said, "If you're good at something, never do it for free."
good at what? scamming people?
i worked a job where i only ever had roughly around ONE customer a day. still got paid 12.50 for every hour i worked
Played all too many shows where the venue only gave us a "thanks for coming out! Appreciate it". Yeah try to pay off the rental van with that...
quaz18 you could have said no...
what, no to not being paid? Or no to the gig? also hard to get yourself out there as a band by not playing shows. Also they only tell you after the fact.
I respect Neil Gaiman because he married someone without even CARING about her eyebrows
what eyebrows?
hehe
gaiman
I will never be so lucky
Honestly as a working musician if Amanda Palmer asked me to play with her, unpaid, I would *consider* it, because at that level, being able to say "I have played with Amanda Palmer, I made it through the audition process to play with a Dresden Doll live, officially" is pretty big and while it doesn't pay the bills it looks impressive on a resume enough that it will likely have an effect.
I'd still definitely rather get paid because I'm frequently called over people with better skills because I am reliable
Yeah, honestly I feel like it was less Amanda being a cheapskate and more of her having a very large ego and thinking that the volunteer opportunity had value equivalent to actual money. Which is why she’s so pleased with herself when she was made to actually pay them, because wow, they got this great opportunity AND they got paid? It’s practically charity!
Yikes
I was ok with everything here, until the exposure bit. Kickstarter was about delivering albums. I assume everyone got them, so that's ok.
But the exposure part and not paying musicians was pure douchebaggery.
talking about how a human looks and calling her to a witch how not sexist of u
I'm a working artist & I'm as down on 'exposure' based exploitation as anybody, but I gave some work to this tour for free and I can say with absolute confidence that what Amanda was doing at the time is not even in the same reference class.
She's a community builder. Letting the fans into her creative spaces & process is more like Taylor Swift hosting highly exclusive fan-parties than it is some corporation getting someone to run their social-media for no compensation, or even TFP modelling.
Amanda has done so much for us. A lot of us are prepared to put in significant efforts in return, over & above album & ticket sales.
Separate point:
The money that came in through the kickstarter was already earmarked, too. A Kickstarter isn't a donation aggregator, it's a pre-order system.
All of this is detailed in The Art of Asking if you're interested.
The idea that she's being somehow dishonest, or that everyone who joins in on her efforts isn't comfortable with these methods, just isn't true.
I got what I agreed to expect. I don't feel any more conned in this situation than you did last time you gave someone a birthday present.
Seb Edwards - Did you just compare working for free to giving someone a birthday present?
If you gave someone a birthday present of, say, 10 vouchers for backrubs, wouldn't that be the same as working for free? It's literally physical labor, but it's not immoral nor unethical. Let's say Seb asked Amanda what she wanted for her birthday and she replied "come play at my show", to which he agreed, how would that be any different? Seb seems very aware that he wouldn't get paid.
On the other hand, if she explicitly claimed the musicians should do it for the exposure, that's an entirely different beast.
Been binge watching your videos since yesterday, and every time I'm amazed at Karl's mission to screw with the green screen via shirts. Keep up the good work guys!
My channel used to be monetized, back when they'd send you a check at a certain threshold of ad revenue, I think it was $100, I was at around $93 when they changed the standards, they wiped it all, so I removed all my old videos because they still had adds and I felt petty. The only argument I've ever understood about shiting payment, is for every small youtuber consistently uploading bringing in their 100-1000 views, is 1000 kids using it for a school science project, or reuploading unmonetized family guy that eats server space. Love the vid as always.
Dang my Friend makes you tube videos and when I was younger I thought that was so cool and I asked how muck he makes and he said like a few cents every week or mouth and he doesn’t care because he’s a kid not someone who need to pay rent ( also his name is rmm films
1:36 holy eyebrows, batman.
Right?!!
Omg 😂😂
I mean she wrote a love song to her dildo, she’s kinda special.
Evil Taco she did what now?
This video may be old, but it does make me feel like my skills have weight. I’m an artist who loves to draw, I have a patreon and have 8 people supporting me, it feels amazing to know that my art is good enough for some one to watch me. I work as hard as I can as well as work on my skills and streams, I’m still small but I feel amazing when I see even one person watching my streams. I hate people who belittle me because I’m not big yet. This video especially the ending makes me want to work harder just for those words of encouragement that you gave.
Hope you are still creating! Keep fucking going! The world needs artists.
@@eeveegee666 I do, even if sometimes I feel to be hitting a wall with it. I still keep trying
I’ve never heard of this lady before. After this video, hearing the scam she tried to pull, I will make it my active duty to boycott this fraud.
I grew up listening to her, and now I feel like burning all my albums from her. So yeah.
Why? She didn't twist anybody's arm everybody got what they were promised.
I ADORED Evelyn Evelyn, one of her side projects, and now I just can't help but regret the amount of lessons I spent listening to it. Could've learned calculus or some shit.
That moment when you think your volume is low enough for the rest at home to sleep while u watch vids
And suddenly they scream "expooosuuuuure"
In the most ghostly voice ever
Lololol
I'll never forget when I got offered to be paid in exposure. I was delivering pizzas.
Reasons why I refused to do unpaid internships.
Internships should be illegal. For a start only financially independent or solvent people (or trust fund kids) can afford to take these positions. That directly excludes anyone from low income families from doing it, even if their brilliant at something.
To be fair, if I got 10x the money I needed for my project and had an extra $900,000 lying around I would pay off my debts, too.
You two are the first youtubers I've seen that actually seems to know what you're talking about when it comes to the change in the UA-cam algorithm. Keep at it
You're wearing Schrödinger's t-shirt! :D Bits of it keep on flashing in and out existence - and I love it! Keep on making cool content Karl and the team!
I really misjudged the word 'Exposure' throughout most of this video
I've played in bands for more than a decade, making almost no money, spending thousands of dollars of my own money for gear, countless hours of practice, countless hours of writing and creating, and driving thousands of miles to shows. That being said, people still offer exposure to play shows. I understand that an unsigned and small band doesn't deserve a million dollars for every show, but at least $100 a gig or literally anything would be nice. Maybe to help out with the expenses. Help validate what I do. As the years passed, we stopped contacting local promoters. It wasn't out of malice. It was because we were tired of playing for free while they made money from our sales. We started throwing our own shows. We started paying the bands that we have playing with us. We tried so hard to make sure everyone walked away with at least a few bucks in their pockets. Doing something for "exposure" is the most insulting and infuriating thing any artist/creator can ever go through and the fact that it still happens regularly is insane. It would be like if I brought my toolbox filled to the brim to your house and fixed your car just to have you tell me after that you won't give me any money, but you'll tell your friends about me.
I'm off my soapbox now, but this subject in particular brings back so many instances that I wish I had never fallen for the shit. Keep supporting the ones you want to keep seeing. Always.
She raised $1.2 million
$100,000 for album pressing
$300,000 for debts
$250,000 for tour
$100,000 for her pocket
WhereTF is the rest?
chriszanf, there’s a little thing called taxes.
Why is it always these rich people who ask others to work for free?
Having more doesn't always make someone generous, I guess
It’s almost like they don’t want to not be rich
Aidan Eaglesfield
You need money to make money. If I gave away most of my money, I won’t have enough to make that much money again.
Didn't get rich by writing a lot of cheques
@@AbolishTheSNT yeah, but no one is entitled to anyone's labor for free. This isn't communism.
I actually really like Amanda Palmer's music but this is some major bullshit
I like her music as well, but don’t forget that after the Boston Marathon Bombings, she wrote a poem that defended the bombers.
I genuinely don't understand why everyone cares so much about this (and i am an artist). It's her act as an artist, if she wants to give exposure for other artists, that's already more generosity than most artists out there. She's not obligated to use her money in any other way than she promised, when we, her fans (including myself), gave our money over to her. There are much more pressing things out there to give money to than some artists who she gave exposure to, no one can prove she kept it for herself and didn't give much of it to per se political causes. And what's wrong with her paying off her debts? She earned the money and she covered what she promised to do with it. No one, not even feminists, are this invested in analyzing successful men and all the specific details of how they use their money. y'all are just reactive to a woman shaking up the balance.
@@jaceofheartstheprinceofbed9415 Fuck you for pulling the gender card, you nut hugget She did something shitty and calling her out on her bullshit is justified.
I like some of it, that being said, she's always been a total douchenozzle with no class.
@@jaceofheartstheprinceofbed9415 this is about being paid for work you sexist shitbag
Get offered exposure to do a gig? Accept the gig and then don't show up. They get what they're paying for.
Loved your responses to those A-holes
Now that I heard what you said at the end of this video I realised how wrong youtube is
As a creator myself, I absolutely love making videos - and especially knowing there are people watching every video I upload.
But if I were able to monitize my videos and get paid, I wouldn't care any less about my those people!
Getting paid would mean that I could put more time into it, rather than having to earn money from other jobs.
So for us creators wanting to get paid doesn't mean we're not caring for our fans.
I would say it's the quite opposite: If we get paid, we can put more time into it and create more and better content for our fans.
dude you channel is awesome found it last week and cant even start to count the number of videos i've ended up watching keep at it....
Record labels do not absorb the cost of album production. All of that is recoupable by the label, and the artist is on the hook for it. That's why so many younger signed musicians will never own their catalog, and some will go bankrupt from debt to labels to the tune of potentially millions of dollars.
And no recording studio on the planet will absorb the cost of an artist making an album.
Exactly. If they wanna do the snarky British guy doing a savage takedown routine it would be a better look if they got the facts halfway right.
Pretty sure you misunderstood. An artist with a label doesn't have to front the cost of producing, mixing, printing an album. The label absorbs that cost initially and recoups it from album sales. As far as artists going broke that tends to be more from poor people getting handed a large some of money. I mean even Will Smith had this issue.
I agree you should be paid for you work, if they make money of you you should get a sizable cut of the income
sween187 it's so weird because at some level the exposure argument makes sense and it only seems to break down when you realize nobody has to stop making the argument.
Seems like realizing the problem should be easy... And then it's not
I'm cool with a fundraiser keeping money that they get when the fundraiser gets way more than asked.
It's cool is she keeps all of it. The problem is that I as a performer wouldn't want to work with her if she wants to pay me in exposure when I know she got 10 times more than what sheasked for. She can afford to pay me a small amount and I know it. Simple.
@@clivemuthomi3134 The exposure controversy was taken out of context. It was happening when she was transitioning from being a fairly unknown DIY artist to a more known successful one. The DIY music scene's culture is like that everyone knows each other and plays in each others shows without money being the currency its an economy of favors. I know because I come from the same DIY scene. The people that played with her weren't some random poor musicians who were promised "exposure" they were her friends and fans and part of a chain of continuing mutual favors that DIY artists do for each other. Its a sort of cultural honor code. Also her album and touring ended up costing way more money than she had anticipated so its not like by keeping the money she was rolling in dough.
@@artfanatsymanic Aah, I guess that makes sense. Context is important.
Thanks for clearing that up 😊
@@artfanatsymanic THIS!
damn, the quality made me think you had like 100k+ subs, but 7k? COME ON GUYS YOU CAN DO BETTER! These vids are amazing
Why thank you! We haven't been going too long so 7k is great in ours eyes. We might accelerate faster if we constantly plugged like/comment/sub/share in our videos like some channels do, but we're against doing that as most people watch ads to access the video anyway so why take up another five minutes of your time every video with more advertising.
-Brad
thats what great about ya,no "meme compilation" shite here, just good content
Right. Some days he even does these while drinking. What a champ
You should search out Wil Wheaton telling the story of TPTB offering to give him a raise by giving his character Wesley a promotion.
But that would involve listening to Wil Wheaton
I was offered 5 exposure to perform on stage
Not Me I could live for a month off 5 exposure!!!
Ashley Marie yeah but the prices in Europe are much higher.
Hah i was offered 20
i mean a dedicated 500 people coming back repeatedly, on youtube where there is who knows how many youtubers probably also doing what someone is making videos about, if a smaller content creator can still pull in subscribers in that sea of fame against them (because tbf it's basically like having a giant venue with everyone famous and not all in the same building, but people still come to see you) that is worth being paid the time for
As always, enjoyable video and particularly interesting to hear your take on the monetisation requirements. I'm trying to grow but it's a very gradual journey, I haven't reached the requirements yet.
Regardless of size, every piece of content that is uploaded and viewed has value and would be nice to see everyone get their fair share.
I could "scrape by" for 4 or 5 years on 100k...
I love this channel because even in April 2019, after they've set up a merch store, been able to do youtubr full time and been flown to LA to game for charity with Herman Li, they still make it about the content not the money. They said they've sold under 100 shorts on the merch store (which is redbubble and pays like shit) because they don't advertise it. They raised all the costs of sending them to LA and then more instead of accepting an offee to go there all expenses paid for free. This channel cares! And while I'd love to see them at Summer in the City or Vidcon UK, they'd never go because it's not their style.
I've been binging your content for days now, and I actually felt like checking out your patreon... I am so happy to see this:
*"As of May 2018, we are no longer accepting new Patrons. Our income from our UA-cam channel at present is substantial enough to support us both of us and we could not, in good conscience, continue to take monthly payments from our fans.
If you would like to support the channel, you can do so by following us on UA-cam, Twitter or Twitch and by sharing our content with others.
Thank you to everyone who supported us at the beginning and to you, whoever is reading this, as you quite possibly clicked through to donate to the channel. We couldn’t have done it without you.
Karl and Brad"*
Keep being awesome, Karl and Brad.
She delivered on her promises, people that paid for the albums got the albums, no big deal there.
Then she pulls shit like the "exposure" card? WTF?
I mean, if you get more than you need off a Kickstarter, you cannot be expected to pour the excess in the project if it does not need it. That would just be waste.
i never thought about UA-cam monetization until the last thing you said. That's pretty much a company deciding (or being told) that they need to make more money, so they just stop paying their suppliers. this should have ended up with a class action suit.
This is my favorite of all the rants at the end
Basically ‘Exposure’ is the music industries version of an internship
Also back in the days before monetisation... there weren’t monolithic titans of the platform back then... having to sift through those for new faces is a rare breed
I love the last bit, its so great to see a big channel standing up for the small guys
Before the monetization was about to change, I was about $5 away from my first youtube paycheck, doing it part time for my friends. about $97 was basically thanos'd away when the method changed. Ive removed all my old videos from my channel since then. My plan was to use that to buy party games to play with friends to make content for friends I cant regularly see from public school days.
You were always paying for everything that goes into making an album. Everything you're talking about is "recoupable," and the artist ends up paying for it. Including videos, etc. And the label decides how much they pay, and the artist doesn't get to see the bill. All of the cost of making an album _and_ the label CEO's ever-increasing profits are paid for by the people buying the album.
Kickstarter just means that artists don't have to end up in with zero to negative funds after an album. Or have their album entirely squashed because the label thought it was worth it to string you along, have you put your hard work into an album, then make sure no one ever heard said album so that your work wouldn't distract from their more pop-friendly artist in the same genre.
Yes, she should have paid for those other artists. Yes, it's disingenuous for her to act like she's a regular independent artist when she's not any more. What she did was hypocritical and indefensible. And I think you and others are and were right to be outraged at her behavior. But $100+ thou is less than a fireman I know makes, and he's scraping by and dealing with debt. Between his kids and just, you know, life, his paycheck doesn't go but so far. And as I described, yes, an album has to pay for all the royalties that got paid out up front, so yes, recording costs are almost _always_ paid by sales after the fact.
It usually takes more than a year to make an album. A $100+ salary for the year is good enough to be stable and comfortable for a single person in most US cities, but not more than that. And regardless of who anyone's husband is, it's not unreasonable for a musician to take a decent, stable wage for their work out of Kickstarter funds. Frankly, I think it's more of an issue that tours are generally how artists make their money, not albums, and she didn't have the contemporary burden of a 360 deal taking tour money away from artists. She shouldn't have needed Kickstarter money to pay musicians, the money from the gigs (including merch and such) should have done that.
Karl just went after Keem and Pelo, damn
That tweet from Cade is especially galling when I remember him making a video about how he dropped out of high school and on the way out had himself a fun little mic drop in front of the principal, based on the money he was making on UA-cam.
Wait, Amanda Palmer, was that one of the people that were one of the Evelyn Twins?
This is a complicated thing. The kickstarter extras were expensive to provide and added as stretch goals. The band had a history of inviting local artists to appear on stage with them, voluntarily and couch surfing when they could. A fairer view would be that Ms Palmer was possibly unprepared for the success of the kickstarter. True, at the time, it looked like a scam, but there was no malice involved in the setup. Sometimes, it's possible to drop the ball, whils having the best of intentions. She's not a monster. We all do stuff that we enjoy doing for free, from time to time.
This really lowers my opinion of her. That's unfortunate.
The end segment of this one is still very relevant! Although I have now hit 1k subs, because I did it through the new UA-cam Shorts feature for mobile, I haven't got the 4000 hours of watch-time to be able to monetise. It's really not easy trying to start from scratch, especially if you haven't got the time to make videos as a full-time job.
she could have just bought her own studio....
This happens with all kinds of artist. If I had 10 dollars every time someone ask me to do a face painting event for exposure I would have a vacation home and a boat.
Gotta love it when there us bits of green on his shirt that show what's on the green screen
I like the point about how the artists playing these smaller venues we're no less important to the show then the artist playing the big venues but also kind of says "f*** your small town you don't pay me enough to bother making sure that the money you pay goes toward a concert with quality musicians and not your disgruntled cousin in high school getting paid in clout
This video needs more views
Jokes on you Karl, I laughed at the opener still!
"Some dipshit who I cant remember the name of"
You just got a new sub
Loved the hot take at the end of the video. Keep up the great work guys and throw a few back for us randoms.
Karl, your analogy makes sense... when i was a working DJ, it was all about how many people i could bring. if i brought twenty people who each brought a drink i got bloody paid. 1000 people? you couldn't even fit a 1000 in the building. Its got to the point where "a view" is worth about one pence and that's just silly. They should make it easier for struggling artists to get a leg up, after all youtube would be nothing without its content creators. If they end up missing the next big thing because some brilliant chap (or lady) gives up on youtube and finds another venue, they're going to feel a right twat for not giving said person a leg up in the first place.
happy 100k!!! love ya
Interesting fact - Record labels do pony up the cash but in the form of a recoupable, meaning that money comes out of what you make on sales wit interest. Love that new car they gave you? hope you do because, yup, it comes out of those sales too along with any expense accrued. All the way down to sandwiches purchased during a recording session, for example. This is how they screw the artist and why thanks to technology and accessibility now, artists can control their own destiny. So why would you sign a record deal these days? Used to be for distribution but even that isn't much of a problem anymore, maybe for marketing.
That thing keeps staring at me. It's creepy.
And suddenly the lyrics to every Dreseden Dolls song flood my brains
In fairness a lot of big acts use to charge support acts to go on tour with them. They would promise you'd make the cash back selling merchandise and building a fanbase.
HOWEVER - it is important to note that the kickstarter was TO PRODUCE THE ALBUM - previously she had included other musicians on stage to get them into their local audience. I thought it was a crappy move initially, but when you look at the figures, she didnt actually make a whole bunch of cash on that tour. It was only the 'magic' figure of 1 million that made people cross.
SO many people pissed me off with the demonetization thing, like sure you didn't make good money but there were a lot of families who make consistent videos with low subs that were making upwards of 700$ a month but that's not much money you know
It's my understanding that no one who was demonitized even made that much money.
I would need to see the facts though I haven't seen any real statistics just a bunch of rhetoric.
What do families have to do with it , are you a dad of 5 fan or
But, $700 a month can make a huge difference. That's quite a bit of wiggle room if you're only making your rent and food from your job, especially with kids.
Heck, even an extra $60 can help immensely.
Well done sticking up for the smaller channels Karl. If youtube are making money off your videos then you should get a slice regardless.
how do u think millionairs become millionairs? by paying people?
*laughs in bill gates*
Did you just roast the *gnome* of youtube? Dude, you are a fucking legend. I love this channel even more wtf.
Sheand Neil were not married when the campaign started. And one thing you are hilatiously ignoring is that she didn't force her fans to pay anything. And she was not that well known before it. She tried doing it the old classic way, studio and all that, and she got caught in a bunch of problems. Also, the musicians who accepted to play for free... accepted it.
Also, she had money problems even after that, even during her relationship with a bestselling novelist, because she was still not ok asking him for money.
ALSO, don't deny all the charities that she and her husband are doing.
Or even better, read her book.
i'm saving this video because that ending segment is the best argument against the larger youtubers points that just get echoed.
like saying that there are limited ads so give them to the people who can live off them seems sound on paper but in actuallity a lot of those channels also have secondary money making streams and the people who could benefit from it the most are the people only getting like £100 or some shit to help bridge the gaps full time work can't pay for because under 25 wages are absolute dogshit.
My dad has a yt channel and was at about 500 subscribers when the policy for monetization changed. There is one big thing about that that we figured out which others may not be aware of. After this change it was extremely hard to get to his channel if you were just searching for videos about the shows he reviews, By advertising on a different internet show he finally hit 1k subs, and then his count just started skyrocketing because now the algorithm deems him worthy of showing up in search results. So if you dont have the 1k and a person looking for content you make but unaware of you or your channel are very unlikely to find you. It is not at all easy to reach that 1k unless you can find someone already well established willing to give you a shout out or collab.
She also asked for burlesque, sideshow/circus & fire performers to add to her atmosphere but she wanted us to "APPLY" with a submission fee & we'd be paid in exposure. Here in FL our showgirl industry all collectively said "FUCK HER" & NO ONE took the gig that was a quality artist.
I use to love making videos and taking photos but I stopped doing it because buying equipment cost money and I didn't think I'd ever make money from it
If I could have made money on UA-cam not enough to live off but enough to buy and maintain my equipment then I would have been satisfied
Honestly as a writer too, I feel your pain. Like if it’s for a friend I’ll do it for free but it’s when I know these people have paid writers in the past it really pisses me off.
She has a TED talk about helping each other...
Did you actually watch it? if you did you'd probably understand where she was coming from with this. not that it matters cause she admitted she was wrong afterwords
Businesses do not need to be global in order to be profitable. When I was studying business and economics I was told that a basic independent convenience store, i.e. a 'cornershop' needed a catchment area with no direct competition and no less than 300 people in order to be viable as a business. I don't know if that is still a rule of thumb but there are certainly many independent businesses that get by with only a few regular customers.
"if you're good at something, never do it for free"
Its nice to see a decently good UA-camr with some braincells and good advice every now and again
I ultimately want to start a cooking channel, but I'm still on the fence about whether to try to monetize it through UA-cam if it gets popular enough to qualify, or whether to just go with Ko-fi. On the one hand, I hate ads with a passion and I know lots of other people do too, but on the other hand, it'd be nice to have a revenue stream that's not coming out of the pockets of my fans.
Rule #1: Never do anything for free
What if you ask to do it for free?
@@GarrettEulett then it comes down to what it is
Lucky for me then that my mortgage is exactly 450 exposures a month...
I love how with Brad's accent, the word "something" always comes out "summit."
I had already left UA-cam by that point, but those changes convinced me to never come back.
Essentially, I'm not a talented editor or creator, it takes me days just to edit one 15min video. To even come close to making UA-cam a career, I'd have to quit my job and do UA-cam full time, plus overtime. Not getting paid until I hit a certain mark? Forget that, I'd starve long before I even got close.
@#$% UA-cam.
... most people don't make money until well after the start
People have to spend the entirety of their free time working on YT until it starts paying out. Same rules for everyone.
You just sound fucking entitled
@@stitchfinger7678 Maybe, but if I have to choose between the hamster wheel of content creation and the hamster wheel of wage labour, I'm going to pick the one that's legally required to pay me, you know?
I do get that a lot of people on UA-cam can make it work. Good for them. It was an honour to be among them for a short while. But I'm smart enough to recognise my limitations, and I'm simply not good enough to make the situation work, especially when they add extra barriers like this.
With all that said, I haven't entirely given up on video production. I do have a few projects that I'm planning out (particularly one that would poke fun at a certain transphobic author), but I can't give it much attention because, y'know, I have a job.
what loot of the people mean by the "dont do it for money" is that you shouldn't just quit your job and say "im a youtuber".. they mean you should do youtube for fun, because you enjoy it, and then, when it starts making you money, and enough money to do it fulltime, then thats when you transition and quit your job
To be fair if you get more money than you ask for from kickstarter, and doesn't need it to launch your product then that money is yours to pocket. The exposure thing is BS though.