what do you use soothe for? Side chain? Resonant frequencies? FUSER does everything Soothe does, on top of that FUSER has phase align which Soothe does not
Showing how an audio plugin works without showing it on audio is like showing some painting technics in the dark. This is not a tutorial, it’s an audio manual.
Actually, it was a review :) Ever heard of that? ;) I liked the way Wytse explained this one. It's far more useful to me to understand the tool's application and see how the interface works than trying to guess what it does by listening to the compressed, low quality YT audio. I definitely liked the plug-in, I'm going to give it a try.
Awesome plugin. It is a real-time savour when lining up phase with the kick and sub on the fly ... I think ur looking at this as a typical side chain. When it's more about phase alinement with the helping aid of a soft sidechain
so would u recommend Fuser over trackspacer? I read on reddit that trackspacer has phasing issues. Also at 4:27 u say, "i wouldn't worry about it too much"... what do u mean? don't worry that the attack & release are very quick?
I found Fuser works better than Trackspacer. Trackspacer had a weird artefact where my target signal would get ducked for about a half second longer than needed intermittently. I didn't get that with Fuser.
Very very helpful!..... It's definitely a lot more in depth than Track Spacer, and would take some time to learn. It's a little over my head but I'm here to learn 😉👍
This was really useful, thanks. Just wondering how Fuser treats faders? Say you have it on a bass, and the fader is at -12db. And it's sidechained to a kick with the fader at -4db. Fuser won't be able to detect the faders, right? So might detect masking, even if your bass is so quiet compared to the kick that there isn't any masking. If I have that right, how do you compensate for the faders without changing any volumes in your carefully crafted mix? 😬
I thought about Trackspacer, but I don't think it's as precise as Soothe 2 or TB PRO Audio DSEG 3 based on many others. I don't own either yet. I want to see more reviews first.
12:40 I'm not sure that is a good thing you're not showing any audio. As the famous phrase goes in movie industry; show, don't tell. While this is vastly different than movie industry and the phrase doesn't fully apply, I think there's still a grain of truth in there even in this context. Unless you are intimately familiar with compressors, it would be nigh impossible to teach you what it does only by telling so that you would truly understand it. Similarly, that expands to any other system, especially something profusely different than the underlying technology, in this case also compression. For example, when you explained the settings, the sidechain/difference dynamic gain specifically, an audio example would have vastly helped to convey the idea behind that setting. I feel like the only reason I understood what you're saying without an audio example is because I have a weird kink for applied mathematics along with my passion for music. I hope you re-consider your position. Especially when you throw the disclaimer about that different audio produces different results and users mileage may vary even without showing any audio, you just might make the disclaimer actually meaningful and use audio in these videos.
I think this plugin is redundant if you already own soothe though, if you run it on the mids only in side-chain mode. Maybe it has one up because of the phase align feature but I don’t see myself using that very often. I’d probably just phase align the track at the source if it’s an issue.
@@wm2922 yes! A thing i do is Ducking the Instrument Bus with the Vocals on Soothes Sidechain. It's a bit of a hack and i only use it if i really need the Vocals to be in front. I try to avoid using it whenever i can because of aliasing/Artefacts with this frequency dependant reduction.
with all this AI around us Id be intriqued to your thoughts on this Phil Speisers 'the strip' to see if it really can do what it says it can. What do think? Worthy of a video?
super helpful video! watched it a bunch of times out of curiosity, do in-depth videos like this one usually do better or worse than snake oil videos? like in terms of views, comment engagement, like:dislike ratio, subscribers gained from that video alone, etc
You did show an audio example of the phase aligner, but you demonstrated a terrible use for it rather than a very good use for it, which is one of its very strong points compared to other plug-ins that do what it does. I think it’s unfortunate that that is the audio example you used to show a negative, rather than show how to use it as a strong point. Like you mentioned a kick, and another sample is the ideal way to use it. It’s unfortunate that you did not demonstrate that via audio especially if you “don’t show audio examples” yet chose to show a negative example. That just shows the negative picture for your audience, when you could’ve showed how useful it is for when people add samples. And a lot of people do do that and they have no idea that they are conflicting in their phase relationships. As we can see, people are comparing it to soothe and track spacer missing point about phase and leveling relationships that those plug-ins don’t address, which is really what makes fuser unique. And I think your audience missed that opportunity. Love ya anyway! Thank you!
This or Soothe 2 ? Both available at Black Friday sale price - I won't buy both, and it's mostly to tame fizzy HH's or sort out kick/bass clarity that I see using one ;-)
I spent hours with Fuser aiming to buy it. No matter what I do my trusty Tone Booster EQ wins all the way. Somehow I can still hear the ducking effect on Fuser and tbh the interface is not really helping at all. E.g. with EQ I can see my accumulative gain curve, which I could not with Fuser. While playing with types of bands e.g. it just often makes sense to use low shelves for the bass/kick - not possible with Fuse. Phase guessing? - probably good, but really Fuser would always give me more phasy sound to my ears. And from what I understand it's only useful with static exactly same sounds like kick samples. I think most DAWs would have some kind of phase rotating tool so you could do it by ear. I am passing.
Fuse cannot process the side-chain signal. It appears to function similarly to Track Spacer. Regarding side-chaining, traditionally, eg Soothe has not been designed to use external side-chain input to trigger its processing; it processes the audio that is directly fed into it. It analyses the incoming signal and applies its processing based on what it detects in that signal. 'Soothe' process by 32(?) bands and you can lift or tame these X bands with a curve.
I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HEAR THE PLUGIN IN ACTION A LITTLE MORE TO BE ABLE TO SEE TO WHAT EXTENT IT RESOLVES THE CONFLICTS IN THE MIX BUT THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION ANYWAY...
I love the description of the hidden feature.
I've been using it for a few weeks. It does what it does really well, IMO.
i don't even touch soothe anymore, FUSER is lighter, faster, simpler... and WAY CHEAPER !!!!
@@nofood1I don't see how soothe directly compares. Am I missing something here?
@@nofood1 this is not the same function even....?
what do you use soothe for? Side chain? Resonant frequencies?
FUSER does everything Soothe does, on top of that FUSER has phase align which Soothe does not
Showing how an audio plugin works without showing it on audio is like showing some painting technics in the dark. This is not a tutorial, it’s an audio manual.
Noted
This was the whole purpose of this video, he even says it at the end why he didn't use any audio signal.
Really?….be kind, or say nothing at all….
Actually, it was a review :) Ever heard of that? ;) I liked the way Wytse explained this one. It's far more useful to me to understand the tool's application and see how the interface works than trying to guess what it does by listening to the compressed, low quality YT audio. I definitely liked the plug-in, I'm going to give it a try.
Awesome plugin. It is a real-time savour when lining up phase with the kick and sub on the fly ...
I think ur looking at this as a typical side chain. When it's more about phase alinement with the helping aid of a soft sidechain
Would love a Comparison between this and Auto Align 2 in terms of Multi Channel Phase alignment.
But why should i use this when i have soothe 2 and it's 10x more powerful? Geniune question
sidechaining in soothe 2 is a godsend
Because sooth 2 is 200 bucks?
@@_Looft best of sidechain comps on steroids
And worth every cent.@@jacobseal
@@jacobseal because it has options that no other similar plugins have..
so would u recommend Fuser over trackspacer? I read on reddit that trackspacer has phasing issues. Also at 4:27 u say, "i wouldn't worry about it too much"... what do u mean? don't worry that the attack & release are very quick?
I found Fuser works better than Trackspacer. Trackspacer had a weird artefact where my target signal would get ducked for about a half second longer than needed intermittently. I didn't get that with Fuser.
Thanks its really helpful and now I waut patiently for the detail video, here is hope its before xmas as I will do lots over xmas holidays
Nn
@@Mleroy04 what you try to say acronyms never mean much as they change from city to city....
Very very helpful!..... It's definitely a lot more in depth than Track Spacer, and would take some time to learn. It's a little over my head but I'm here to learn 😉👍
I love Fuser. Very handy.
I started down this road last night. I'm liking the entire collection. EXPOSE is very cool too!
bro EXPOSE is freaking essential imo
@@DSWL_ for mastering engineers, ABSOLUTELY
This was really useful, thanks.
Just wondering how Fuser treats faders? Say you have it on a bass, and the fader is at -12db. And it's sidechained to a kick with the fader at -4db. Fuser won't be able to detect the faders, right? So might detect masking, even if your bass is so quiet compared to the kick that there isn't any masking. If I have that right, how do you compensate for the faders without changing any volumes in your carefully crafted mix? 😬
He covers this in the video @ 8:30 onwards
You might also want to try trackspacer
After using trackspacer for several years I have now replaced it with Fuser. It is a step upwards.
I still prefer Trackspacer after that Vid .. thanks for testing!
Can you say why? I have both (I just remembered I bought this immediately & forgot 🤦♂️). I do love MTM stuff.
I thought about Trackspacer, but I don't think it's as precise as Soothe 2 or TB PRO Audio DSEG 3 based on many others. I don't own either yet. I want to see more reviews first.
8:00 is it just me or does the AB comparison button not work in both of your examples?
Thanks. That's helpful
Does this do the same as the Waves IDX plugin?
Plssssssssss do an updated studio/mastering chain/equipment tour !!!!!! ??? @White Sea Studio
Good idea!
I already have trackspacer... Is it worth it to purchase FUSER?
Did you ever get your answer?!
@@threeeyedtribe no but I think with Fuser the phase knob is pretty unique.
12:40 I'm not sure that is a good thing you're not showing any audio. As the famous phrase goes in movie industry; show, don't tell. While this is vastly different than movie industry and the phrase doesn't fully apply, I think there's still a grain of truth in there even in this context. Unless you are intimately familiar with compressors, it would be nigh impossible to teach you what it does only by telling so that you would truly understand it. Similarly, that expands to any other system, especially something profusely different than the underlying technology, in this case also compression.
For example, when you explained the settings, the sidechain/difference dynamic gain specifically, an audio example would have vastly helped to convey the idea behind that setting. I feel like the only reason I understood what you're saying without an audio example is because I have a weird kink for applied mathematics along with my passion for music.
I hope you re-consider your position. Especially when you throw the disclaimer about that different audio produces different results and users mileage may vary even without showing any audio, you just might make the disclaimer actually meaningful and use audio in these videos.
Here is our FUSER audio examples (and how to achieve them) video if you'd like to check it out: ua-cam.com/video/PYsGsU87etA/v-deo.html
@@Masteringthemixlondon No thank you. I find it quite untasteful to come plugging your own channel in the criticism of another.
I haven't criticized this video, it's a good walkthrough of the features @@anteshell
I think this plugin is redundant if you already own soothe though, if you run it on the mids only in side-chain mode. Maybe it has one up because of the phase align feature but I don’t see myself using that very often. I’d probably just phase align the track at the source if it’s an issue.
Can soothe be used to feed audio from another channel by side-chain?
@@wm2922 yup. It’s great 👍
yes, that's possible@@wm2922
@@wm2922 yes! A thing i do is Ducking the Instrument Bus with the Vocals on Soothes Sidechain. It's a bit of a hack and i only use it if i really need the Vocals to be in front. I try to avoid using it whenever i can because of aliasing/Artefacts with this frequency dependant reduction.
with all this AI around us Id be intriqued to your thoughts on this Phil Speisers 'the strip' to see if it really can do what it says it can. What do think? Worthy of a video?
Does anyone have an opinion, good or bad, on iZotope Neutron 4 Unmask vs Fuser, and whether Fuser is still a "buy" if you already have Neutron 4?
fuser is easier to use to me
I know we can do all this manually.. But... sometimes you want to save time and energy so I guess FUSER come into play.
Trackspacer does the same thing and there are plenty free plugins for phase stuff. As for soothe 2 it adds latency out the daw.
Trackspacer does like 15% of what this does though.
@malaclypse1409 the problem with fuser is that it had a very weak attack and release speed. .25 I belive so you always get a pumping effect
super helpful video! watched it a bunch of times
out of curiosity, do in-depth videos like this one usually do better or worse than snake oil videos?
like in terms of views, comment engagement, like:dislike ratio, subscribers gained from that video alone, etc
What DAW are you using this in?
Reaper
isn't like sooth 2 with sidechain ?
The same functionality is actually implemented in the smart-comp-2
oops.. i got fuser now😀
You did show an audio example of the phase aligner, but you demonstrated a terrible use for it rather than a very good use for it, which is one of its very strong points compared to other plug-ins that do what it does. I think it’s unfortunate that that is the audio example you used to show a negative, rather than show how to use it as a strong point. Like you mentioned a kick, and another sample is the ideal way to use it. It’s unfortunate that you did not demonstrate that via audio especially if you “don’t show audio examples” yet chose to show a negative example. That just shows the negative picture for your audience, when you could’ve showed how useful it is for when people add samples. And a lot of people do do that and they have no idea that they are conflicting in their phase relationships. As we can see, people are comparing it to soothe and track spacer missing point about phase and leveling relationships that those plug-ins don’t address, which is really what makes fuser unique. And I think your audience missed that opportunity. Love ya anyway! Thank you!
Hello all!
I have Neutron 3 Advanced, do I really need Fuser?
why not just use multi band compression ?
So yeah, track spacer with more controls.
And frankly I find trackspacer very useful so this could be good. Just sick of ilok
Consider MSpectralDynamics that case. It's very advanced. And no ilok nor other online license manager.
@@sparella they make so many good products and remain pretty quiet, deserve more attention. Their free bundle is amazing
This or Soothe 2 ? Both available at Black Friday sale price - I won't buy both, and it's mostly to tame fizzy HH's or sort out kick/bass clarity that I see using one ;-)
But Soothe 2 is way to clean!!!
Trackspacer works well. So not sure if this is that much better. Appreciate the test tho
I was waiting for an A/B, so I can hear the difference.
Here are some audio examples: ua-cam.com/video/PYsGsU87etA/v-deo.html
Wavesfactory track spacer clone?!
I spent hours with Fuser aiming to buy it. No matter what I do my trusty Tone Booster EQ wins all the way. Somehow I can still hear the ducking effect on Fuser and tbh the interface is not really helping at all. E.g. with EQ I can see my accumulative gain curve, which I could not with Fuser. While playing with types of bands e.g. it just often makes sense to use low shelves for the bass/kick - not possible with Fuse. Phase guessing? - probably good, but really Fuser would always give me more phasy sound to my ears. And from what I understand it's only useful with static exactly same sounds like kick samples. I think most DAWs would have some kind of phase rotating tool so you could do it by ear. I am passing.
So Trackspacer then !!
Neutron 4! :)
Dont get me wrong its a nice plugin, but its basically soothe with a few extra settings that are not a unique selling point IMO
Fuse cannot process the side-chain signal. It appears to function similarly to Track Spacer.
Regarding side-chaining, traditionally, eg Soothe has not been designed to use external side-chain input to trigger its processing; it processes the audio that is directly fed into it. It analyses the incoming signal and applies its processing based on what it detects in that signal. 'Soothe' process by 32(?) bands and you can lift or tame these X bands with a curve.
Similar to Trackspacer in some ways, it seems.
I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HEAR THE PLUGIN IN ACTION A LITTLE MORE TO BE ABLE TO SEE TO WHAT EXTENT IT RESOLVES THE CONFLICTS IN THE MIX BUT THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION ANYWAY...
I realise I could have done better there, I will for future videos
nice trackspacer copy...
basically a gadget so you don't need to learn how to listen for those problems yourself
Should we walk and do away with cars, bicycles, planes etc?
Grandchild video ????? Heritage audio
Just emailed my contact about this
@Whiteseastudio awesome ! I'm waiting to hear from you.
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Another useless plugin that will be forgotten in a week.
Probably 😅
100%
I find spectral compression (MSpectralDynamics in my case) useful to duck synth pads below melodic elements.
so useless I stopped using soothe and switched to this
Not so. Great plugin.
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Trackspacer is best
This is crap
Its garbage. Trackspacer for the win!
I want to try the active phase alignment on kicks and 808s 😂
ATTACK goes 25MS max. Not good enough. That's going to create a pumping effect with most quick kick drums over bass. Better using other things