For killing normal mob in H5? For sure it's not doing much as mob dies fast, your shades aren't catching you up on the runs. But as a stationary attacks, I think it much better than sentry. As a level 3 gem gives you 2 shades consistently, 2x addition your primary attacks. I don't know what gem can give better in a boss fight. You really have to time compare it with and without. Another thing is I love how it distracts enemies.
I don't often comment, but this gem is easily worth an A-S tier. Pro: - Explosive shot clones do insane amount of damage COMPARED to what you get out of other gems (Even with crossbow procs 50% of the time you still get a lot of damage) Just feel free to test the damage you get out of howler, and compare it with an explosive shot shade. Con: - When you proc a crossbow shot clone, you dont get as much value I feel the situations you used are only the negative ones, but there are a lot of positive ones too. Clones baiting boss abilities and letting you do free damage and their damage on single target (boses), can even prepare shades before bosses spawn, etc. It also saved my ass a lot of times in pvp, baiting some people there.
That much i can agree with you that explosive shots does alot of dmg but it's not the same case for every other class. most classes can't do more then 15k hit with there clones expect DH or maybe 1 more. But the point i tried to raise here was that this Gem has more negative compare to positive. Like, yes it does dmg. but in normal PVE like Hell 5. All clones are going to do is run behind us and we will be the one deleting everything. clones might add few hits here and there but that is actually not really useful. why not get something which actually enhance our own dmg output so we don't have to rely on these clones and can actually get higher dmg numbers. Distracting enemeies is good. but only for higher Challenge rifts and the issue comes with that is that they don't stand alive for even a sec against a horde of enemies just like i showed in the video. They are good against bosses i 100% agree, but those bosses are not something which we will be facing every 5 min or so. they only spawn in raids, challenge rifts etc. More then 95% of the time we will be facing normal mobs in hell v and for that alone this gem does not add good value. I can only see good value in this gem if we upgrade it over rank 5. then it's a good gem. but if somebody is using it under rank 4 or so. then there many other good options that a player can try out unless he/she can upgrade this gem over rank 5. Btw i really appreciate you commenitng on my video and giving us you're input. having a healthy discussion is always great.
@GameZone GaMinG Obviously gem multipliers are broken (Berserkers,BloodyReach,Hope,Jade) and good in every situation, but you still have a few spots for good gems. If i would have the gem power i would go for the above 4 + shade + new incoming gem. You could threat Echoing shade like mobile sentries, they're obviously not better for elder rifts and easy content, but for single target both of them are insane. According to my "simulations" an echoing shade rank 3+ can do around 20% of my damage in such a situation. If you care about warband leaderboards, these are both a must imo. Heliquary raids are not the only situations, even in dungeons (eg namari/caverns) you have a lot of time to spawn the clones before the bosses are up. And lets get down to the numbers, in this very video you can see the explosive clone doing 16k in one shot, and it has many many shots. And you can have clones up almost 80-100% of the time. Meanwhile bile is applied to the target every 20 secs, has 6-8 ticks, and one tick does 4k? But yes, for other classes it does probably suck. But im a dh one trick for life ;)
@@tudorha95 1) Yes they can stay with almost for 100% of the time but the issue is us being DH are 100% times faster in clearning everything which left our clones with almost nothing just as i showed in the video and also i had to stop in order to show there performance which showed that they actually do good dmg but the issue comes when we can clearly see that they are not fast enough to keep up with DH in order to do Sustainable dmg in all situations. 2) I 100% they are great against verus a single target but we cannot avoid the fact that single target content is not much availabe in the game at this point. We are just mostly fighting enemeies in dungeons or open zones or elite monsters. bosses are very rare and endless mode has the same thing. 3) I don't think 1 or 2 gems attributes are broken. they are intended that way. Reason behind is that every class of gems have there cons and pros. - 1 Star gems have less Combat rating and less ressonance but they provide us with extremely strong attributes. - 2 star gems are something in between that have a catch on them. Like fervant fang, bloody reach or power and command. require to hit 10 times or stay at 8 yard for full damage or wait for a switch from skill to primary. but overall they provide us with good resonance, good attributes and good combat rating. 3) 5 star gems are meant to shine over rank 5 upgrade with mf and there resonance. if we keep bad quality of 5 star gem that is acutally only 2 or 3 star and with rank 3 or 4. that actually is not a good way to go unless its a dmg multiplier gem like "Bottle Hope or Blood Soaked Jade" They are just intented this way in my opinion. Echoing shade is awesome when the quality is 4 ot 5 and its over rank 5 but then again every other 5 star gem could be awesome too. We just have to determine what is best for us by seeing few things. How much resonance it is offering. what quality of gem that is and what are the attributes and a lower rank most 5 star gem with lower quality aren't just good way to good. if the legendary gems were not a p2w thing. i bet people would be swaping there gems for every specific playstyle and they would of been using echoing shade just for single target etc and not overall. that is what i'm trying to say. we should focus on the gem that are actually overall good because we don't get the option to swap them for each and every specific situation. it cost lots of energy and money as well.
Echoing rank 6 user here. I regret spending platinum on it. I value gem that useful in both PvE & PvP situation, but Clones only last 1/3 time in PvP, defeating it whole purpose.
I have one 3/5 ES, from a Legendary Crests three months ago more of less. and I'm very happy with it Any free gem above 3/5 stars is a good gem (from resonance view), more resonance more power to legendary Items (more damage/life, and so) it's simple. Even the worst ever gem in a 5/5 stars state will give you a lot of resonance (power to your equipment )
Completely agree. As a wizard I loved Echoing shade when I first got it like 3 hundred paragon lvls ago lol. But there are several problems with it. First as wizard it does a fraction of the damage that DH’s clones do. Never understood why. Similar CR & Res DH clone does way more dmg then Wiz clone. Second, I always considered this gem best for PvP as it frequently did distract enemies in that scenario but the duration is so short that it’s not very reliable when I actually need it. Thirdly, in PvE I am generally killing everything on the run and they get left behind and I don’t need them to distract anyway unless I’m pushing challenge rifts and even then they get killed so fast the value I get from the clones is questionable so I ground it up for powder to try other gems. I wasted a good amount of plat on this thing lol
I do agree but I've gotten lucky with non sellable crest so I'm keeping it for the reso. Pros - explosive shot is powerful - helps to push higher rifts and path of blood Cons - beastiary orb killer - weak and slow There's not much better gems, all the 20 second gems are terrible, bottled hope is okay
@@bennett420316 you're usually running forward to the next area for bounties whilst they stay behind killing mobs you seen on the way, so if an orb drops you won't get it and it's another 2 mins until you see one again.
It is a really good gem if you know how to use it I don’t recall how many time in pvp I’ve been attacking the clone thinking it the real player and being a monk pair it with mystic ally inner buff n vitus it melts boss also count as summon for Shepard
If you want max damage, then yes I agree you can probably find better than echoing. Do you really need more help in regular PVE stuff? You can just roll your forehead on the keyboard and plow through H5 content does it matter if you increase your dps speed by .0000018%? Ideally you'd want a gem thats helpful in difficult situations, like helping you hold aggro against bosses (high challenge rift), or messing up someone's targeting in battlegrounds. DH is squishy and this gem is A tier in terms of helping you reduce getting hit. Pros far outweigh cons imo
High Challenge rift is something that rarely happen. We don't do them every single day as they are only one time thing. we do it and get the reward and done. Against horde of enemeis, these clones are useless because they alive more then a second but against a boss yesss very good distraction 100%. but that is what we call a specific situation which makes 0.3% maybe of the game. PVP. Attributes are nerfed down to 66%. Lets say we get a 12 second duration on echoing shade on rank 4. That is going to cut down to 3 seconds. DH are not supposed to stay in Cross fight for more then 2 seconds. we go in. either defeat a player or do a quick dmg and daring swing bam run away. Trigging Clones at will is not 100%. We can't wait in cross fight for them to show up so that we can actully run after that. it based on luck that we actually get them at the right time that is actually helpful. So luck is never a good strategy. If the Quality of the gem is 2 or 3 star and rank is also 3 or 4 star. Then that itself open up a good window to try out some other strong gems. At this point hitting strongger byself is far better choice than having a distration ability. We can be more impactful.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 Ok to keep it simple lets just discuss pvp. In pve I'll concede you can prob find something better for your preference. Assuming you go all 5* gems for resonance, what would your 6 gems be? Seeping, bsj, bottled, and? Howler's misses a lot, chip is good if u run scattermask, ashes suck, frozen sucks (You could go 5 5*gems and 1 2* gem ranked to 10 but thats a lot of gem power!) Yes echoing gets nerfed but so do all the gems - and the fact that you're popping vengeance so often and auto attacking all the time clones pop up quite often (with no 40 second time cd), meaning ok even if they stay up for 3 seconds (which is a ton of time in pvp), u can trigger another right after. The main point of them is to add an extra target opponents need to navigate thru. I've had many situations where I swing away and see the opponent hitting my clone. And I've gotten killed by clones too when I'm trying to run away with my last bit of health it happens. ps. love your content!
It does, but in Hell 5 or any normal activity. we would find our clones just running behind us and adding few hits here and there. They are weak for higher Challenge Rifts and can't stay alive for more then 1 or 2 hit. Good Against Bosses, Raid etc but that is something we won't be doing every hour or so. Overall good strong attribute gems are a better choice for DH since DH is a canon class. All tho Echoing Shade has a good value only once it is upgraded over rank 5 and should be at least 4 star quality.
Yes they do. But they're just too slow to keep up with you realistically in pve. We really don't need them for pve because DH is just way too quick in defeating and deleting everything. They will be just running behind you trying to chase a target that they won't be able to hit 95% of the time because you'll be done with it already. But in higher challenge rifts or single target bosses. They have there value. But thats not good enough. Keeping a gem just for that specific moment is a waste of it attribute that we can't utilities fully in all screnarios.
I'm actually going to stack up Platinum untill i see more options and meanwhile just pass my time with this. But this has to go. I was thinking of getting howler call but that is another gimmic gem which only proc once every 20 seconds and does around 300% of our base dmg. Honestly that 300% is nothing. Dh can achive that 300% with 5 or 6 extra primary hit. Core dmg multiplier is the best way to go in my opinion but I don't see any option right now in 5 star gems.
Btw, why is your DH damage seems low? Is it a high level challenge rift? My DH is only 1k res, but I hits 22k normal 50k critical. Have you not stacking all primary attacks as much as possible?
@@GameZoneGaminG47 berserker eye, bottle hope, bloody, primary attacks 6% on all gears magic effect, 4% on bonus. Awakened off hand 10% primary crossbow shot, ancient effect 15% damage boost. Attack power at 7900
Don't want to be rude or anyting bro. Please don't mind me. It requires Some Changes, but that is just my opinion. All tho if you're happy then theres really nothing wrong in that.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 Nah you're not being rude. I want to change my hunger for a seeping bile that I have but Im farming platinum for the upgrades and I want to buy a blood soaked gem.
Strafe with Buzzard of thw wing let us activate vithus urge on will which help speed up normal activities. I've already tested it and made proof video on that. Consistant speed actually allow us to deal more dmg compare to multishot but multishot is better in many situation still. but overall for normal activities, Strafe allowing us 100% buff of vithus is actually faster. Now defelecting Echoing shade with my builds doesn't justify that it's actually good but then again i can understand that you commented here to speak and not listen. I respect that. everyone has there opinion and no one is forced to make an arguement.
@@vk.videos But what you take away the skill that actually give you 4 skeleton warriors and replaced them with this gem. would this be a good option? being necromencer maybe it open up window in selecting some other skill? I'm just asking for general knowledge. I'm no pro at necromencer :D
It took me a very long time to realised it but not more!
For killing normal mob in H5? For sure it's not doing much as mob dies fast, your shades aren't catching you up on the runs. But as a stationary attacks, I think it much better than sentry. As a level 3 gem gives you 2 shades consistently, 2x addition your primary attacks. I don't know what gem can give better in a boss fight. You really have to time compare it with and without. Another thing is I love how it distracts enemies.
Agreed. When it comes down to stationary stuff. these clones are 100% times better then sentry itself. No cooldown and spawns all the time.
I don't often comment, but this gem is easily worth an A-S tier.
Pro:
- Explosive shot clones do insane amount of damage COMPARED to what you get out of other gems (Even with crossbow procs 50% of the time you still get a lot of damage)
Just feel free to test the damage you get out of howler, and compare it with an explosive shot shade.
Con:
- When you proc a crossbow shot clone, you dont get as much value
I feel the situations you used are only the negative ones, but there are a lot of positive ones too. Clones baiting boss abilities and letting you do free damage and their damage on single target (boses), can even prepare shades before bosses spawn, etc.
It also saved my ass a lot of times in pvp, baiting some people there.
That much i can agree with you that explosive shots does alot of dmg but it's not the same case for every other class. most classes can't do more then 15k hit with there clones expect DH or maybe 1 more. But the point i tried to raise here was that this Gem has more negative compare to positive. Like, yes it does dmg. but in normal PVE like Hell 5. All clones are going to do is run behind us and we will be the one deleting everything. clones might add few hits here and there but that is actually not really useful. why not get something which actually enhance our own dmg output so we don't have to rely on these clones and can actually get higher dmg numbers.
Distracting enemeies is good. but only for higher Challenge rifts and the issue comes with that is that they don't stand alive for even a sec against a horde of enemies just like i showed in the video.
They are good against bosses i 100% agree, but those bosses are not something which we will be facing every 5 min or so. they only spawn in raids, challenge rifts etc.
More then 95% of the time we will be facing normal mobs in hell v and for that alone this gem does not add good value.
I can only see good value in this gem if we upgrade it over rank 5. then it's a good gem. but if somebody is using it under rank 4 or so. then there many other good options that a player can try out unless he/she can upgrade this gem over rank 5.
Btw i really appreciate you commenitng on my video and giving us you're input. having a healthy discussion is always great.
@GameZone GaMinG Obviously gem multipliers are broken (Berserkers,BloodyReach,Hope,Jade) and good in every situation, but you still have a few spots for good gems.
If i would have the gem power i would go for the above 4 + shade + new incoming gem.
You could threat Echoing shade like mobile sentries, they're obviously not better for elder rifts and easy content, but for single target both of them are insane. According to my "simulations" an echoing shade rank 3+ can do around 20% of my damage in such a situation. If you care about warband leaderboards, these are both a must imo.
Heliquary raids are not the only situations, even in dungeons (eg namari/caverns) you have a lot of time to spawn the clones before the bosses are up.
And lets get down to the numbers, in this very video you can see the explosive clone doing 16k in one shot, and it has many many shots. And you can have clones up almost 80-100% of the time.
Meanwhile bile is applied to the target every 20 secs, has 6-8 ticks, and one tick does 4k?
But yes, for other classes it does probably suck. But im a dh one trick for life ;)
@@tudorha95
1) Yes they can stay with almost for 100% of the time but the issue is us being DH are 100% times faster in clearning everything which left our clones with almost nothing just as i showed in the video and also i had to stop in order to show there performance which showed that they actually do good dmg but the issue comes when we can clearly see that they are not fast enough to keep up with DH in order to do Sustainable dmg in all situations.
2) I 100% they are great against verus a single target but we cannot avoid the fact that single target content is not much availabe in the game at this point. We are just mostly fighting enemeies in dungeons or open zones or elite monsters. bosses are very rare and endless mode has the same thing.
3) I don't think 1 or 2 gems attributes are broken. they are intended that way. Reason behind is that every class of gems have there cons and pros.
- 1 Star gems have less Combat rating and less ressonance but they provide us with extremely strong attributes.
- 2 star gems are something in between that have a catch on them. Like fervant fang, bloody reach or power and command. require to hit 10 times or stay at 8 yard for full damage or wait for a switch from skill to primary. but overall they provide us with good resonance, good attributes and good combat rating.
3) 5 star gems are meant to shine over rank 5 upgrade with mf and there resonance. if we keep bad quality of 5 star gem that is acutally only 2 or 3 star and with rank 3 or 4. that actually is not a good way to go unless its a dmg multiplier gem like "Bottle Hope or Blood Soaked Jade" They are just intented this way in my opinion.
Echoing shade is awesome when the quality is 4 ot 5 and its over rank 5 but then again every other 5 star gem could be awesome too. We just have to determine what is best for us by seeing few things. How much resonance it is offering. what quality of gem that is and what are the attributes and a lower rank most 5 star gem with lower quality aren't just good way to good.
if the legendary gems were not a p2w thing. i bet people would be swaping there gems for every specific playstyle and they would of been using echoing shade just for single target etc and not overall. that is what i'm trying to say. we should focus on the gem that are actually overall good because we don't get the option to swap them for each and every specific situation. it cost lots of energy and money as well.
Echoing rank 6 user here. I regret spending platinum on it. I value gem that useful in both PvE & PvP situation, but Clones only last 1/3 time in PvP, defeating it whole purpose.
It's great for crusaders they get buffs from urge set and banner and they melt stuff.
I did not know about that, thank you for brining it into my knowledge bro. Appreciate it
@@GameZoneGaminG47 summons takes buff from vithus or shep and echoing shade count as a summon.
I have one 3/5 ES, from a Legendary Crests three months ago more of less. and I'm very happy with it Any free gem above 3/5 stars is a good gem (from resonance view), more resonance more power to legendary Items (more damage/life, and so) it's simple. Even the worst ever gem in a 5/5 stars state will give you a lot of resonance (power to your equipment )
Completely agree. As a wizard I loved Echoing shade when I first got it like 3 hundred paragon lvls ago lol.
But there are several problems with it. First as wizard it does a fraction of the damage that DH’s clones do. Never understood why. Similar CR & Res DH clone does way more dmg then Wiz clone. Second, I always considered this gem best for PvP as it frequently did distract enemies in that scenario but the duration is so short that it’s not very reliable when I actually need it. Thirdly, in PvE I am generally killing everything on the run and they get left behind and I don’t need them to distract anyway unless I’m pushing challenge rifts and even then they get killed so fast the value I get from the clones is questionable so I ground it up for powder to try other gems. I wasted a good amount of plat on this thing lol
I do agree but I've gotten lucky with non sellable crest so I'm keeping it for the reso.
Pros - explosive shot is powerful
- helps to push higher rifts and path of blood
Cons
- beastiary orb killer
- weak and slow
There's not much better gems, all the 20 second gems are terrible, bottled hope is okay
Agree, most of the 5 Star gems are not that great and therefor Echoing Shade is the viable selection.
How do they kill bestiary orbs im lost
@@bennett420316 you're usually running forward to the next area for bounties whilst they stay behind killing mobs you seen on the way, so if an orb drops you won't get it and it's another 2 mins until you see one again.
It is a really good gem if you know how to use it I don’t recall how many time in pvp I’ve been attacking the clone thinking it the real player and being a monk pair it with mystic ally inner buff n vitus it melts boss also count as summon for Shepard
Too late budy! Already did it. I fuckin hate myself now
If you want max damage, then yes I agree you can probably find better than echoing. Do you really need more help in regular PVE stuff? You can just roll your forehead on the keyboard and plow through H5 content does it matter if you increase your dps speed by .0000018%? Ideally you'd want a gem thats helpful in difficult situations, like helping you hold aggro against bosses (high challenge rift), or messing up someone's targeting in battlegrounds. DH is squishy and this gem is A tier in terms of helping you reduce getting hit. Pros far outweigh cons imo
High Challenge rift is something that rarely happen. We don't do them every single day as they are only one time thing. we do it and get the reward and done. Against horde of enemeis, these clones are useless because they alive more then a second but against a boss yesss very good distraction 100%. but that is what we call a specific situation which makes 0.3% maybe of the game.
PVP. Attributes are nerfed down to 66%. Lets say we get a 12 second duration on echoing shade on rank 4. That is going to cut down to 3 seconds. DH are not supposed to stay in Cross fight for more then 2 seconds. we go in. either defeat a player or do a quick dmg and daring swing bam run away. Trigging Clones at will is not 100%. We can't wait in cross fight for them to show up so that we can actully run after that. it based on luck that we actually get them at the right time that is actually helpful. So luck is never a good strategy.
If the Quality of the gem is 2 or 3 star and rank is also 3 or 4 star. Then that itself open up a good window to try out some other strong gems. At this point hitting strongger byself is far better choice than having a distration ability. We can be more impactful.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 Ok to keep it simple lets just discuss pvp. In pve I'll concede you can prob find something better for your preference. Assuming you go all 5* gems for resonance, what would your 6 gems be? Seeping, bsj, bottled, and? Howler's misses a lot, chip is good if u run scattermask, ashes suck, frozen sucks (You could go 5 5*gems and 1 2* gem ranked to 10 but thats a lot of gem power!) Yes echoing gets nerfed but so do all the gems - and the fact that you're popping vengeance so often and auto attacking all the time clones pop up quite often (with no 40 second time cd), meaning ok even if they stay up for 3 seconds (which is a ton of time in pvp), u can trigger another right after. The main point of them is to add an extra target opponents need to navigate thru. I've had many situations where I swing away and see the opponent hitting my clone. And I've gotten killed by clones too when I'm trying to run away with my last bit of health it happens. ps. love your content!
@@bobbyleeacn Some really great points. i will sure give it a close eye today when i go into BG. I really appreciate the feedback
Explosive shot clone's damage scales very well, not sure about other classes
It does, but in Hell 5 or any normal activity. we would find our clones just running behind us and adding few hits here and there.
They are weak for higher Challenge Rifts and can't stay alive for more then 1 or 2 hit.
Good Against Bosses, Raid etc but that is something we won't be doing every hour or so.
Overall good strong attribute gems are a better choice for DH since DH is a canon class.
All tho Echoing Shade has a good value only once it is upgraded over rank 5 and should be at least 4 star quality.
Doesnt summon scale their damage from ur primary fire and dh:s all about primary damage so those clones will be hitting hard?
Yes they do. But they're just too slow to keep up with you realistically in pve. We really don't need them for pve because DH is just way too quick in defeating and deleting everything. They will be just running behind you trying to chase a target that they won't be able to hit 95% of the time because you'll be done with it already. But in higher challenge rifts or single target bosses. They have there value. But thats not good enough. Keeping a gem just for that specific moment is a waste of it attribute that we can't utilities fully in all screnarios.
armor penetration only for pvp or does pve also have an effect?
it works for both but just like everything else. in pvp it is nerfed by 66%. Only resonance don't nerf because its p2w elemnt.
What would you use instead till the new gems come out ?
I'm actually going to stack up Platinum untill i see more options and meanwhile just pass my time with this. But this has to go. I was thinking of getting howler call but that is another gimmic gem which only proc once every 20 seconds and does around 300% of our base dmg. Honestly that 300% is nothing. Dh can achive that 300% with 5 or 6 extra primary hit. Core dmg multiplier is the best way to go in my opinion but I don't see any option right now in 5 star gems.
U can use bloody reach
@@princelyekaji9506 yes. I've that on rank 10. Awesome gem
Try frozen heart, it's a capable defensive and offensive gem. Zwenson's haunting is ok for crowd and range pops, but has a % triggering.
@@Technotranceism Tried that. Good for PVE but PVE don't need it. Bad in PVP. it's attitbutes are nerfed really bad.
Btw, why is your DH damage seems low? Is it a high level challenge rift? My DH is only 1k res, but I hits 22k normal 50k critical. Have you not stacking all primary attacks as much as possible?
You might be using beserker eye with other dmg multiplier gems. That explains it.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 berserker eye, bottle hope, bloody, primary attacks 6% on all gears magic effect, 4% on bonus. Awakened off hand 10% primary crossbow shot, ancient effect 15% damage boost. Attack power at 7900
@@colinleung368 yup your dmg multiplier way better then mine.
Im a demon hunter too and to me is another source of damage I use my sentries too so is good for me.
What star and rank is your Echoing Shade? Also what other gems are you using and how much resonance you got?
@@GameZoneGaminG47 Sure. 930reso, 4* echoing shade lvl 2, 2* howler's call lvl 3, 2* frozen heart lvl 2, the hunger lvl 5, bloody reach lvl 5 and power and command lvl 5 completely f2p. Not even the pass.
Don't want to be rude or anyting bro. Please don't mind me. It requires Some Changes, but that is just my opinion. All tho if you're happy then theres really nothing wrong in that.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 Nah you're not being rude. I want to change my hunger for a seeping bile that I have but Im farming platinum for the upgrades and I want to buy a blood soaked gem.
@@diabloplayer4496 both of them are great choices and they are worth upgrading with time.
Change ya title you put patinum not platinum u get ya account back yet ?
You're using strafe which is terribad so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt. As for echoing shade I love mine
Strafe with Buzzard of thw wing let us activate vithus urge on will which help speed up normal activities. I've already tested it and made proof video on that. Consistant speed actually allow us to deal more dmg compare to multishot but multishot is better in many situation still. but overall for normal activities, Strafe allowing us 100% buff of vithus is actually faster.
Now defelecting Echoing shade with my builds doesn't justify that it's actually good but then again i can understand that you commented here to speak and not listen. I respect that. everyone has there opinion and no one is forced to make an arguement.
@@GameZoneGaminG47 you do you baby boo
This gem has no use for necro too
They count as a minion right?
@@GameZoneGaminG47 if you mean followers burden then there is 6 summon cap
@@vk.videos But what you take away the skill that actually give you 4 skeleton warriors and replaced them with this gem. would this be a good option? being necromencer maybe it open up window in selecting some other skill? I'm just asking for general knowledge. I'm no pro at necromencer :D
wrong
you guys have very linear thinking, im uploading a video response to this