Nerdist i have a working theory on "Anti-Gravity". Theoretically using this method to propel myself. Question: Could you amplify a Magnetic Feild enough to repel Earth's MF??. Ther for moving away from earth as fast as it rotates around the Sun. Perhaps an Inf amount of energy would so it?
Nerdist In the Star Trek Enterprise technical manual I believe they say some shields are EM based like what you said the video and some are graviton based. I the main Deflector Shields are graviton based and act like a gravitational lens. Also that the ship itself moves ever so slightly when it is hit so it's being deflected as well... I read this stuff years ago so I think I am remembering it correctly. So basically it is a gravitational spacial distortion. Would something like that work?
Since you mentioned the earth not being perfectly round, maybe we could get video explaining the science backed idea that our 3d universe is beyond doubt flat. That was an interesting subject and i'm sure you can explain it well.
That's a perfect explanation for: "SHIELDS AT 50%" All the plasma gets used up disintegrating projectiles or absorbing phaser radiation and your left with a bare bones magnetic field which would offer minimal protection
@@petergerdes1094 I think there are stores of plasma so that the shields can be quickly turned on. Then, when they are turned off, remaining plasma goes back into the stores. They probably keep extra plasma to regenerate shields stored as gas. It takes time to convert it, and overall regens at a slower rate than the shields are degenerating under fire.
"Every sci-fi ship now has a version of these shields." Kyle, I should introduce you to the Battlestar Galactica. They lack deflector shields, and beam weapons. I'd actually love to see you do a because science on how their ftl drive might work, because it is unlike any other sci-fi I've seen. They appear to fold space to travel ftl.
@@MtSpider Battlestar Galactica is an exception (and a damn good one). BSG is a well made sci-f, but folding space isn't an original idea. It'd likely be based off of Alcubierre drives which essentially move the space around the ship to bring the ship to the location ahead of light, but without actually moving faster than light (relativity is weird man...). Alcubierre drives are actually very realistic and could work (assuming some key aspects of our physics are wrong, and considering how stupid some of it is, I feel like we should be able to break FTL), but alas, not original. The idea has also been used by Star Trek... except that Star Trek used the Alcubierre drive... before Alcubierre invented it... The same could also apply to BSG depending on when it first became canon that they folded space. Regardless, my point is that despite BSG's wonderful originality, the FTL isn't unique, but it is realistic at least, and based in real math (though the idea of it working is obviously against that very math). Now that I've yapped for 20 minutes about Alcubierre drives, if you made it this far, I hope you have a good day!
I remember reading about a plasma based 'shield' that would look like a 'real' force-field, but ironically while it would interact with matter, it would barely interact with an energy weapon.
Kyle....Great video...however I think you need to make a slight correction...Star Trek makes a distinction in the deflector and shields. This goes back to Gene Rod. The deflector is a cone of energy which is shot out in a beam in the path of the ship to DEFLECT items out of the path of the ship so you don’t explode when colliding with space dust at 10 times the speed of light while SHIELDS function as you depicted in this video. I understand how other shows refer to these shields as deflector shields I.e. the Star Wars empower in return of the Jedi “oh, i’m afraid that deflector shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive” But Star Trek refers to the deflector differently And just to be clear I am not hating on ST or SW they are both awesome, just different so no big deal just trying to be as accurate as possible
Hypothetically Star Trek deflection uses gravity manipulation stuff, same as ftl. In real life deflection would just be pulsed lasers causing a small amount of object to explode, pushing the rest of the object in another path. Pulsed lasers for causing microscopic detonations can be pretty precise.
their ftl is space warping. Not gravity. Irl, a federation starship moves faster than light. Therefore lasers (light) would not be an effective deflector. Also, look into redshift energy. Basically explosion plus lightspeed or fraction of lightspeed = massive radiation in on the high end (red end) of the light spectrum.
How the shields work: the more technobabble, the stronger they are. How do you think the federation wins so many space battles? Theyve perfected the art of technobabble
This would also explain why they are able to put a percent value of remaining deflectors as they are not talking about the generator power, but the about of plasma partials that have been accumulated.
Ah ha, now you delve into the realm of navigation in space. Currently our absolute best method, that would work everywhere in our galaxy, is something called GPS. No, I’m not talking about the GPS in your phone, that’s Global Positioning System. What I’m referring to is the Galactic Positioning System, or as I sometimes call it, the Pulsar Positioning system. As I’m sure you know, and I’ve no desire to explain in this comment, pulsars are a type of neutron star that create what we observe as pulses that are more precise that even some atomic clocks. Using those pulses, from multiple pulsars, and a bit of math using known values for those pulsars, you can precisely calculate your exact position. Last I heard, our current systems are accurate to the foot. That right there, gives you your position. Now, you just have to figure out a course. Which is fairly simple! Assuming you have FTL, all you need to do is point in the correct direction and go like hell. Of course, you need to take stellar drift into account, because even at galactic distances and superluminal speeds, you will have travel time and the stars do move, but we have a pretty good idea of how stars orbit the galaxy, so accounting for their drift is fairly simple. Otherwise, you need to plot a trajectory in a similar manner as you would in our solar system, and be damn confident in your math because one wrong variable, a mis-rounded answer, or a missing significant digit, and you’ll wind up light years off course and that’s no bueno
As far as I remember, Star Trek never referred to "deflector shields". There were the deflector dishes, which allowed warp-speed travel through regions that might contain small, undetectable masses -- they would literally "deflect" away space debris -- and the shields, which might work some way or other.
Weren't the navigational deflectors primarily for diverting small matter such as space debris out of the path of the ship during high speed travel? I don't think that magneto-plasmic shields could accomplish this task.
they are two different things. the navigational deflector is always facing forward, to push debris out of the way. the deflector shield is much stronger and it surrounds the whole ship. it is not until late Voyager and the movies that they develop multi-vectral shields, which are individual shields facing in diferent directions around the ship rather than one single bubble. in one episode of TNG a small ship threatens the Enterprise with laser weapons, and Riker points out "lasers? that won't even penetrate our _navigational_ deflector" as in, we don't even need to bring _the shields_ up. two different systems.
This is one of your best episodes. This also means ships could use ramming as a last-ditch effort/suicide attack, where they would charge at another ship, and the two ships' energy shields would interact in a crazy lightshow
IRL? No idea. Trek tech only really works with Trek technobabble. (Treknobabble?) In the show, phasers are (like the dude said) particle beams - however, they use an unknown radiation/material/technobabble maguffin called 'nadions' to produce (or enhance? It isn't really clear) the beam. Disruptors, on the other hand, work by breaking (or 'disrupting' as the name would suggest) atomic bonds, essentially splitting atoms into their component parts. Basically, nuclear fission in a gun. How this works is a mystery. Then there's your Romulan plasma weaponry - basically just beams of plasma as was suggested. Finally, there are the Dominion's polaron beams - presumably some kind of magnetically-confined antimatter beam that destroys everything it touches in an annihilation reaction. They can also pierce shields because plot.
Star Trek shields are also composed of matter. In an early technical manual, I read they used what was described as a combination of two technologies that are always on the show. The Replicator and Transporter beams. That is how they can concentrate the shield in any direction. It is also a way to make a tractor beam. The beam emits a connected string of matter that connects the ships and they slowly reel it in.
The nice thing about this theory, it even explains the shield charge that Star Trek ships have. If multiple phaser hits on the same shield portion continuously knock away the magnetoplasma, the shield in that area loses large parts of it's protective potential. Plus, some ship abilities like converting incoming phaser fire into actually REINFORCING the shields make sense now as well; collecting the particles from the beams in the shields magnetive field increases its protective potential.
In an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise, Trip was working on a prototype shield that suspended some sort of particles in a field. I immediately thought of an old product call Hill Plasmatronic speakers. This was a real product in the early 80s, that used a sheet of helium plasma suspended between two magnetic fields as the tweeter. By modulating the strength of the magnetic fields, the sheet of plasma acted as the speaker diaphragm. They actually included an RF cutoff, as those tweeters could be driven all the way to radio frequencies.
To Shilds, there was a Episode on Enterprice ( Archer ) where they "created" Shields on a theory and some experiments from a Prio labratory. Shilds are not only EM Based, "Shildparticals" form some kind of bond and build a net. New Research shows that it is possible to form some kind of Matter out of Light Particels. Photons are not much more as Magnatic Waves in Partical Like form. So lets asume a Star Trek Shilds are a Sub Atomic net of Photons that s boundet together like a fishernet. It would also explain a diffrent property of Shilds in Startrek. YOu can see Trou but high Energy is Defected / Absorbed.
Phasers are more insane than you think, they fire Nadions, those directly attack the nuclei of the atoms, they're particle weapons, but they're quantum particle weapons. Now imagine how tight those shields have to be to stop this, or photon torpedoes, that are basically antimatter warheads. They're also multi-harmonic shields, which means that magnetic deflection, is just one of the many harmonics they protect the ship from different threats with.
I was always under the impression that there was a separation between the "shields" and the "deflector shields". And the deflector shield was there mostly for physical objects and the more generic shields dealt with more phaser based attacks.
you are correct, there is a difference between shields and deflectors. shields are to protect against attacks, strong blasts of radiation, and stuff like that. deflectors are to move stuff (spacedust etc.) out of the way so the ship doesn't get perforated while moving. however, even the writers of episodes mess that up quite often.
Yeah. I also watched the video expecting some BECAUSE SCIENCE about the deflector. Instead i got something about the shields... suddenly Kyle has lost quite a few nerd points. Writers of Nerdist, you have failed.
I had always thought deflector shields were strictly from the deflector dish, but apparently the ultimate Star Trek source, Memory Alpha states it's a matter of type: there's low power deflector shields coming from the dish (important during warp). The shields raised for defense can also be called deflector shields. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Navigational_deflector . memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Deflector_shield
Thank you for confirming my surmise about the use of a "shell" of plasma surrounding the ship and confined by its EM deflector field. I had the idea that the shield would be more powerful than just an EM field,and that gravimetric forces would aid in containment of the plasma shell. I also surmised that the ship could only charge the shields in this manner once in a while (perhaps the ship needs to recharge the plasma reserves once they've been put into the shield), explaining the degradation of the shields' projection during a pitched battle ("Shields are holding, Captain ..." "Shields are weakening ..." "Shield strength now at 47% ... 39 ... 20 ... three percent ... shields have failed. Another hit like the last one, Captain, and we're toast!") - once one mass of the plasma has been discharged into the EM . gravimetric field, the tanks need to be refilled from the drives or something.
But those types of shields don't experience strain just because someone fires on it, it's energy draw is more or less constant and thus given enough power the shield is impenetrable for any and all energy weapons. Kinetic weapons engage!
for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, so when the beam gets deflected the machine that produces the magnetic bubble gets pushed back equally, with enough firepower you could theoretically launch that device through the ship at near light speeds.
by adjusting the frequency of the field and the beam, they can be made to essentially ignore each other. for a simple analogy, think of 2 sound waves. One wave is extremely uniform and the other a mash of combined frequencies, as the uniform wave passes through the unmodified mash it is canceled out by an opposite frequency in the mash. If you know what frequency the uniform wave is exactly you can remove the interfering frequency in the mash and the uniform wave will pass through unchanged. This would work for most beam weaponry and shielded objects.
Sorry, that's not quite how it works. The magnetic field shield does not oscillate at a frequency, but is constant. Otherwise it would not deflect incoming ions but just wiggle them up and down a little until they hit the ship. If the field is constant, firing from the inside in the worst case could actually bend the beam around and make it hit the ship itself! If the phasers are more light-like, the problem would be that the plasma assembled to shield from the outside would just as well shield from the inside, firing would just light up the ship in auroras. :-) So, all in all: The question is still very relevant. The only idea I could come up with is to switch off the field for a very short time while firing. But there has to be something more elegant.
How about the photon torpedos are set to the same frequency as the shield enabling it to pass through the shield, or the outer layer of the torpedoes being charged with a canceling frequency to "phase" through the shield
Florian Fahrenberger , that's the challenge I was imaging (though you phrased it far more eloquently than my thoughts had this morning). Could the ship phasers actually be physically extended through the shields? The large sphere we see in ST:tNG circling the ship is partially for storytelling and ease of CGI. If the shields were only a meter thick weapon systems could physically penetrate out and not worry about the multi-ball pinball effect inside the ship. It gives another reason why it's a common tactic to target the weapon systems.
The deflector shields, specifically, refer to the ones in use when the ship is moving, especially at warp. They're also referred to as "navigational shields". They prevent space dust from "blowing a hole in the ship the size of your fist". The shields you're talking about are just referred to as "shields". They absorb the energy released by particle beam weapons or explosions from antimatter torpedoes.
Ok, so if plasma can be deflected by an electromagnetic field and dragon ball z ki attacks are just balls/beams of plasma and if magneto can create a neutron star level magnetic field then does that mean that magneto can deflect any dbz ki attack?
Okay just watched this episode and I had an idea, however, how far-fetched the idea was I almost didn't post. In the future do you think if needed we could actually help the Ionosphere out by supplying some form charge and help reverse global warming in some form or another? Basically giving another layer or helping supply more density to the already formed Ionosphere. The energy necessary would be enormous but is it feasible?
Cody Sketch , I could imagine a satellite network generating a shield that could block solar radiation, though the energy needs would be very large. Which means we would probably have carbon emissions under control. An even simpler system might be having a shield at the L1 LaGrange point (always between us and the sun). This can also help magnetic field deficient Mars from losing its atmosphere.
wouldn't just a very large properly placed solar shield made of tin foil or the like provide enough shade without all energy requirements of any type of energy shield? plus playing games with the ionosphere doesn't sound like a good idea? better yet, very large solar electric power satellites used both to block out the sun's heat and make electricity at the same time and solve the energy problem once and for all?
One thing I'd like to see in sci-fi: the use of multiple weapon types. Lasers, kinetic cannons, missiles, and torpedoes just to name a few, that would be pretty cool.
can these Deflectorshields block classic kinetic weapons? cause technically they are not charged and they can install a Railgun for sure in one of their ships, these things are basically flying citys
oh yeah macs... the one type of gun i actually saw in rl (in a military museum of our military and mainly about the gear and its development over time) and i still think it to be ridiculously powerful. i mean i rwad about rl railguns and they are designed to be intercontinental artillery cannons
Magical Fungi and thick enough, we're talking mach 6 speeds in normal air pressure. thats why today's railguns shoot their projectiles OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE to reach long distance shots. the only reason why we dont use them is the fact that you need a new barrel every three shots and thats expensive and the capacitors we have aren't up for the task for even more powerful ones.
I would argue that density is more important than thickness. If you had something going fast enough with enough mass then it would fail, but given what it has shown to defeat before, i would say it would have to be a very large projectile.... like a schoolbus sized projectile... before it would actually penetrate the shields. Which would just be impractical.
Well, that was interesting, but the show already discussed this in various areas. If we go via Michael Okuda's description (he wrote the book on most of the TNG technology that ST used and developed on in DS9, voyager and the TNG films): In Star Trek TNG (and the other ST shows) the shield systems they use is based on warp field tech. Essentially, when a beam weapon or a photon torpedo impacts the field around the ship, in that specific section of the shield matrix, it is energised and to the beam or torpedoes POV (as beam weapons are sublight only) the ship "moves" out of the way of it due to the shield in that tiny area "warping" space so it cannot hit the hull. (Phasers are often modulated to penetrate a shield this way via scattering effects etc, but then shield tech improves to combat this.) This localised area effect uses a GREAT deal of energy to generate the field against the high levels of energy being directed against it and so shields can be depleted rapidly the more energetic the weapon being used against them. As a shield absorbs fire and loses the energy it contains, the warping effect is lessened and fire can begin to "leak" through. Sufficently high energy weapons can "burn" out the generators creating the shields fields so rotating ships during combat to allow affected shields to replenish the defence fields and allow engineering to repair damaged shield generators is very important. [NB: For an example of the power ST ships and shields have to cope with. A Ship based Phaser fired on a planet at full strength can destroy every living thing on the planet and, under continual fire, eventually destroy it.] In Star Trek, this is why you do not use photon torpedoes if a ship has its shields up, as although torpedoes have penetration aids to try and get past this, they are vastly less capable than the phaser beam (or disruptor). So, in normal space, phaser weapons are usually used to deplete the shields of an enemy ship However, during warp combat phasers are useless as the energy and particles are not FTL based and so are affected by the warping of space, massively dispersing them and rendering them useless. Only photon/Quantum torpedoes can be used as they are capable of travelling at warp and so can hit and discharge against the ships shields/hull. Romulans, as they do not use photon torpedoes, use the plasma torpedo as it can travel at warp speeds if required (however, although it is vastly more destructive than a photon torpedo it is FAR slower.) So, ST shields for combat are Warp field based. They do have another set of shields that always remain on and those are used to protect the ship at warp travel: these are "technically" the deflector shields which, when coupled with the main deflector dish at the front of the ship, protect it from dangerous particles, micro asteroids and space debris. But how we would create "shields" with our current knowledge base? Really fascinating. :)
My favorite part of that video was the "don't judge my drawing and get over yourself part" when he said the earth was not perfitcly round...so true..but still so funny because how he said it!!
In canon, most phasers work off a fictional nadion radiation. So.... who the fuck knows? I'd ass-pull that it overloads and disrupts the neural system, which, on low levels causes things like disorientation, confusion, loss of muscle control.
Shield according to Star Trek have a frequency. Meaning, a shield goes on/off very fast. In an episode of Enterprise, it was explained shields can't be "on" all the time, and they need to be turned off and on constantly. If you know the frequency of said shield, you can go in between the on/off moments.
Hitting Warp 9 through a series of star systems pretty much guarantees you can tank a turboblaster. There's nothing you can throw at someone that the vast reaches of space can't throw harder. Which StarTrek has proven again and again space does.
They can't use warp next to astroids but they can warp space away from them while traveling or nobody would ever be able to get around in space. Even the tiniest of specks would demolish a ships hull. Despite the common analogy by veiwers, neither show uses lasers because all a laser is, is excited light waves that may cause heat damage at best. If Star Trek ships are encountering shots from torpedoes that can erase masses much higher than a city they can tank a blaster, which is much slower. Even if it has physical properties like a metal, it still has to obey gravity. The reason ship integrity gets compromised in Star Trek is because they cannot engage fields that warp with objects too close, and that frequently becomes a problem for surprise attacks. who needs to worry about a blaster anyway when space has much more dangerous things to watch out for like subspace disturbances that cut off one space into a void. And a high powered star destroyer and a pursuer can't even handle a slow speed chase against a few nearly defeated rebels.
Fun fact about the ionosphere: it doesn't just deflect incoming radiation from space, but also outgoing radiation from the ground, such as radio waves. That's why radio signals can reach past the horizon. They go up and bounce off the ionosphere back to the ground.
It looks like Star Trek may have pushed scientific advancement forward by almost a century, just the motivation of this may have changed humanity’s future
Doing a Because Science segment on Star Trek almost feels like cheating, haha. It's an ACTUAL sci-fi series compared to most pop-culture franchise. It's got to be one of the easiest material to do this show with. :)
"Deflector shields" refer to the shields they use, while moving, to prevent "the first grain if space dust" from "blowing a hole through this ship the size of your fist". The shields you're talking about are not referred to as "deflector shields"; they're "energy shields", or just "shields".
Because we already have nuclear reactors in everyday use, we also have ways to shield ourselves from neutron radiation. Those methods would probably be built into the hulls of starships.
Why do you think you never see them on earth (except for that episode where they went back in time, and in that episode, I'm pretty sure they didn't use phaser shots on earth, or if they did they didn't use it further than 10cm
To both of your replies, I said "Earth like". Any atmosphere will absorb the particles but an atmosphere with earth's pressure will do it at 10cm for alphas and 1m for betas. Do you seriously think that walking around on a planet with breathable air has nothing in common with earth?
4 Tonnes of Fury yeah mate I'm talking about the handheld phasers which I'm assuming were what were being talked about because that was the graphic in the video. They would be used in an atmosphere.
Every scifi ship has some version of deflector shields? The Battlestar Galactica and Andromeda Ascendant jump to mind, I don't recall them existing in Firefly or the Expanse either.
You talking new Galactica or old Galactica? Because I swear the original TV series had some type of shielding... i'd swear I heard them say something like "charge the outer hull" or something similar.
I would imagine that the hull Armour is generations ahead of anything we have and can absorb the energy. In ST:TOS its stated somewhere that the hull of the 1701 can take a direct hit from a nuke. The hull and structural support material would have to be super strong just to handle impulse speed maneuvers.
I'd say the difference between the descriptions of what they are likely is referring to the difference between a Federation type phaser and something like a Klingon disruptor. They make references to 'phaser/disruptor burns' during medical talk, indicating that they likely do different types of damage.
Hey Kyle! Could you do a video on Discoverys new spore drive? I just love the idea - and I actually like this updated, more adult Star Trek WAAAAY more then anything that came before :)
A Disfigurement Where My Head Is The Sun Do you watch the 'Star Trek: After Trek' show? They featured the real Stamets whose real fungi science is the basis for this in the stores. The website is www.fungi.com, if you'd like some more info
@Magical Fungi: There are plenty of dark, gritty sci-fi shows you could have watched then. That isn't what Star Trek was about. But for some reason the Grimdark Borg must assimilate everything.
As seen in 0:52 the shields are not Deflecting anything, but Adsorbing the energy and dispersing the energy across the whole shield. Hence greatly lessening the impact/damage to the ship.
Kinetic could be deflected for the same way kinetics get deflected in air now. Space is big. Ships should be big for a practical journey. That means a really big magnetic field and even larger plasma shield. That's plenty to deflect a kinetic weapon like a bullets
trek is a realistic imagining with technology we have or are very close to having, wars is a fantasy with nothing based in real technology.... big difference. They both have their place, neither is better than the other.
Saying Star trek is better then star wars is like saying star wars is better then blade runner. They aren't even the same genre. Star wars is space fantasy and Star trek is science fiction. Just like blade runner is sci-fi noir. Please stop comparing movies just because they have space ships and robots.
I saw an idea one person had which was that the Star Trek shields bend space, like their warp core, and that the bent space causes phasers and other weapons to follow space curvature around the ship.
If you watched the enterprise series where they had no shields they experimented with alternating magnetic fields. The fields were opposing and alternating as explained on the show. They worked like two bubbles over lapping and alternating at a certain frequency this was the frequency of the shields.
4:31 You win all the cool points for referencing Chain of Command! The episode that snapped Counsellor Troi back so hard she wore a proper uniform FOR THE REST OF HER APPEARANCES! Not just the rest of TNG but on Voyager too. Captain Jellico DAMN! 2 episodes and he had an incredible lasting impact on the whole show. Put Bloody Cardis in their place and basically helped set the events that would plague early seasons of DS9 with the Marquis. Had they not gotten spanked by Starfleet so easily the couple times they met in TNG, the first time by a disgraced Captain Maxwell in a Nebula class starship. Not even close to the top of the line warships Starfleet could muster, it DECIMATED the Cardassian warship mind you warship, from outside of that ships firing range. I believe these defeats lead to the Cardassians trying to negotiate rather than fight sheen the Klegnons invade and even before when the a Marquis were curbstomping then into the ground they were knuckling under to lick boots so to speak. I think it all stems from this, their beatdowns at the hands of the Los Federalís in TNG. Thinking they can't challenge the Federation openly until they have more of an equal footing technologically, this lead the civilian government to appease invaders to try and buy time, but by the time they had the ships in place, their position had been eroded so much by the incursions that it was almost too little, too late, and they were forced to capitulate even further to the Klegnons after their invasion. No wonder Dukat does what he did. People say the Cardassians betrayed the entire Alpha Quadrant, but I'm gonna argue the Quadrant betrayed them first. Wow! Now that's nerdism for you. I wrote a whole book just because of a line connected to a one off throw away reference. Because science (or over analysis of lore as the case may be).
There's a TNG episode where they encounter a ship trying to shoot lasers at them. They're all stunned and we're left wondering why (unless you're SUCh a trek geek, that you already understand shield ops), until Beardface McRikers says "They can't even penetrate our navigational shields!" I think by 'navigational shields,' he's referring to the deflectors (not to be confused with deflector shields, which are not a thing in star trek. refer to comment below).
Excellent presentation. I like the graphics and effects. Your acting skills are pretty interesting also. All said, you do a great job of explaining a very technical subject so that most anyone can understand it. Here is a question: can the shield strength be affected by interacting with the energy beam that struck it? In the TV or Movie, they always claim the shields are down by so much....etc. Can the effective strength of the shield be affected by the attack?
Hey Kyle, based on your theory of Star Trek shields, would the common trope of "reverse the shield polarity" have any effect on what kinds of things it would protect against?
As far as being vulnerable to all non-plasma/charge particle weapons, there are plenty of ways to deal with that. I can imagine dedicated warships would also have armor to deal with kinetic attacks or lasers (which would bypass the shields), and possible even have lead lining around hull of the ship and especially parts where the crew are situated. And missiles intended to bypass the shields could be dealt with by point defense turrets, which a ship as large as the enterprise would almost certainly have at least a few, and they'd double as effective countermeasures for strike craft like fighters and bombers.
This is kind of amazing too since the concepts for these things that apparently actually would work were designed so long ago (comparatively) What I mean is I doubt the writers of Star Trek actually thought this tech could actually be real- unless they did and I'm unaware...
This is a decent possibility for Kirk-era shields (with perhaps a little more future-tech to account for neutrons and physical objects). This also exists in TNG shields, but by then there is also an element of space-time distortion added to the tech. This is using the knowledge they already have for artificial gravity and warp drive, and creating distortions in space which further strengthen the shields and add to the type of things deflected.
They actually discuss the ship's vulnerability to nuclear weapons in the original series. They also established that they discontinued use of them, due to them being extremely dangerous aboard the ships.
I always said an old school nuke was the key to defeating the Borg. The Borg never have their shields up when they first encounter a Starfleet ship, so just transport a nuke into the center of the Borg ship with a 10 second timer so when it detonates it blows the entire cube/sphere apart from the inside.
they would defuse it pretty quickly, remember that one Borg has the minds of trillions of others, because they act as a hive mind. Their sensors will easily trace that nuke and disable your transporters. And even if you do find a way to sneak in the nuke, remember what I said earlier about trillion drones quickly transferring information to each other, meaning they'll defuse the nuke in a fraction of a second.
What about shield strength/effectiveness? The crew of the Enterprise D was practically amused when they were attacked with lasers. However, the shields are steadily weakened by percentage points when deflecting a significant force. Holes will eventually appear, even before shields are reduced to zero percent. Enemies can potentially pinpoint these vulnerable areas, causing significantly more damage. Under these circumstances power redistribution is essential. Emergency shields and physical bulkheads serve as the last lines of defense to prevent depressurization.
I looked at the vid about photon torpedoes and I’d love if you made a vid about how the ships survive multiple hits and what they must be made of. Thanks. 👍🏼
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Nerdist i have a working theory on "Anti-Gravity". Theoretically using this method to propel myself. Question: Could you amplify a Magnetic Feild enough to repel Earth's MF??. Ther for moving away from earth as fast as it rotates around the Sun. Perhaps an Inf amount of energy would so it?
Nerdist In the Star Trek Enterprise technical manual I believe they say some shields are EM based like what you said the video and some are graviton based. I the main Deflector Shields are graviton based and act like a gravitational lens. Also that the ship itself moves ever so slightly when it is hit so it's being deflected as well... I read this stuff years ago so I think I am remembering it correctly. So basically it is a gravitational spacial distortion. Would something like that work?
Nerdist hey the beams in Star Trek don't deflect they just stop. Wouldn't that be absorption?
how about stoping phisical projectiles? that shield would stop it too?
Since you mentioned the earth not being perfectly round, maybe we could get video explaining the science backed idea that our 3d universe is beyond doubt flat. That was an interesting subject and i'm sure you can explain it well.
That's a perfect explanation for: "SHIELDS AT 50%"
All the plasma gets used up disintegrating projectiles or absorbing phaser radiation and your left with a bare bones magnetic field which would offer minimal protection
But shouldn't shields start at 0 and then take take to form? Why can't you regen shields just as fast as you brought them up?
@@petergerdes1094 I think there are stores of plasma so that the shields can be quickly turned on. Then, when they are turned off, remaining plasma goes back into the stores. They probably keep extra plasma to regenerate shields stored as gas. It takes time to convert it, and overall regens at a slower rate than the shields are degenerating under fire.
"Every sci-fi ship now has a version of these shields." Kyle, I should introduce you to the Battlestar Galactica. They lack deflector shields, and beam weapons. I'd actually love to see you do a because science on how their ftl drive might work, because it is unlike any other sci-fi I've seen. They appear to fold space to travel ftl.
Good point, Shannon 👍.
Warp bubbles also fold space. So star trek too
@@MtSpider Battlestar Galactica is an exception (and a damn good one). BSG is a well made sci-f, but folding space isn't an original idea. It'd likely be based off of Alcubierre drives which essentially move the space around the ship to bring the ship to the location ahead of light, but without actually moving faster than light (relativity is weird man...). Alcubierre drives are actually very realistic and could work (assuming some key aspects of our physics are wrong, and considering how stupid some of it is, I feel like we should be able to break FTL), but alas, not original. The idea has also been used by Star Trek... except that Star Trek used the Alcubierre drive... before Alcubierre invented it...
The same could also apply to BSG depending on when it first became canon that they folded space.
Regardless, my point is that despite BSG's wonderful originality, the FTL isn't unique, but it is realistic at least, and based in real math (though the idea of it working is obviously against that very math).
Now that I've yapped for 20 minutes about Alcubierre drives, if you made it this far, I hope you have a good day!
I remember reading about a plasma based 'shield' that would look like a 'real' force-field, but ironically while it would interact with matter, it would barely interact with an energy weapon.
Kyle....Great video...however I think you need to make a slight correction...Star Trek makes a distinction in the deflector and shields. This goes back to Gene Rod. The deflector is a cone of energy which is shot out in a beam in the path of the ship to DEFLECT items out of the path of the ship so you don’t explode when colliding with space dust at 10 times the speed of light while SHIELDS function as you depicted in this video.
I understand how other shows refer to these shields as deflector shields I.e. the Star Wars empower in return of the Jedi “oh, i’m afraid that deflector shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive”
But Star Trek refers to the deflector differently
And just to be clear I am not hating on ST or SW they are both awesome, just different
so no big deal just trying to be as accurate as possible
that is a good point, deflector shields are to deflect dangerous particles while at warp speeds, the shields themselves are a different technology.
Hypothetically Star Trek deflection uses gravity manipulation stuff, same as ftl. In real life deflection would just be pulsed lasers causing a small amount of object to explode, pushing the rest of the object in another path. Pulsed lasers for causing microscopic detonations can be pretty precise.
their ftl is space warping. Not gravity.
Irl, a federation starship moves faster than light. Therefore lasers (light) would not be an effective deflector. Also, look into redshift energy. Basically explosion plus lightspeed or fraction of lightspeed = massive radiation in on the high end (red end) of the light spectrum.
That'll teach you to wear a red shirt on a Star Trek episode!
It's just what happens... -- KH
Lol.... How much do you wanna bet that was meant as an easter egg?
Like the 4 lights? ^^
Scotty an Uhura wore red....
Rife Prime lol
"The earth isn't perfectly round, look it up" lol
So funny. I laughed hard!
*Oblate-spheroid* is the correct term.
@@solarisone1082 This. Nerds unite. The fact that I even remember that term from high school...…. scares me.
love the 4 light reference
HE DID NOT MAKE A 4-LIGHT REFERENCE. SAY IT.
How the shields work: the more technobabble, the stronger they are. How do you think the federation wins so many space battles? Theyve perfected the art of technobabble
@Travis Thacker And don't forget adding "quantum" to almost every word!
Bob lazar said he interacted with shields in S4 ERIA 51 ..God I hope he's telling the truth
There Are Four Lights!!
Arguably one of the best TNG episodes. Or at least one of the best Picard episodes.
One of the most powerful, by far! So good!
Temba his arms wide...
Shaka when the walls fell...
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra...
@ Menaceblue3 ... ANOTHER great episode!!!
A great episode was when Picard had his own family as well
This would also explain why they are able to put a percent value of remaining deflectors as they are not talking about the generator power, but the about of plasma partials that have been accumulated.
Do tractor beam!!!
Thiago Villa they publish a technical manual you can read that explains it
Or better yet a combine harvester beam :)
Styropyro already did that...
In real life.
DO MEGA PARTICLE BEAM!
Ryan Vigus hope they will make deflector shields too
R.I.P. Science Thor.
Time to unfreeze the next clone.
I have a couple lined up, all with different hairstyles -- KH
It's just like the show "Dinosaurs."
Time to get another Timmy!
Only a few weeks left of his 3 year assignment as well.
Krishnath Dragon HAHAHAHAHHA
"Science Thor" is perfect :D
What would this type of shielding do to sensors? how would you be able to tell where you are going?
Ah ha, now you delve into the realm of navigation in space.
Currently our absolute best method, that would work everywhere in our galaxy, is something called GPS. No, I’m not talking about the GPS in your phone, that’s Global Positioning System. What I’m referring to is the Galactic Positioning System, or as I sometimes call it, the Pulsar Positioning system.
As I’m sure you know, and I’ve no desire to explain in this comment, pulsars are a type of neutron star that create what we observe as pulses that are more precise that even some atomic clocks. Using those pulses, from multiple pulsars, and a bit of math using known values for those pulsars, you can precisely calculate your exact position. Last I heard, our current systems are accurate to the foot.
That right there, gives you your position. Now, you just have to figure out a course. Which is fairly simple! Assuming you have FTL, all you need to do is point in the correct direction and go like hell. Of course, you need to take stellar drift into account, because even at galactic distances and superluminal speeds, you will have travel time and the stars do move, but we have a pretty good idea of how stars orbit the galaxy, so accounting for their drift is fairly simple.
Otherwise, you need to plot a trajectory in a similar manner as you would in our solar system, and be damn confident in your math because one wrong variable, a mis-rounded answer, or a missing significant digit, and you’ll wind up light years off course and that’s no bueno
@@MrStreaty122 i love how you wrote this like a sci-fi character explaining it to another character lol
As far as I remember, Star Trek never referred to "deflector shields". There were the deflector dishes, which allowed warp-speed travel through regions that might contain small, undetectable masses -- they would literally "deflect" away space debris -- and the shields, which might work some way or other.
Weren't the navigational deflectors primarily for diverting small matter such as space debris out of the path of the ship during high speed travel? I don't think that magneto-plasmic shields could accomplish this task.
I was just about to write that!
The deflector array uses, according to the Enterprise D tech manual, graviton fields to deflect incoming debris.
they are two different things.
the navigational deflector is always facing forward, to push debris out of the way.
the deflector shield is much stronger and it surrounds the whole ship.
it is not until late Voyager and the movies that they develop multi-vectral shields, which are individual shields facing in diferent directions around the ship rather than one single bubble.
in one episode of TNG a small ship threatens the Enterprise with laser weapons, and Riker points out "lasers? that won't even penetrate our _navigational_ deflector"
as in, we don't even need to bring _the shields_ up.
two different systems.
This is one of your best episodes. This also means ships could use ramming as a last-ditch effort/suicide attack, where they would charge at another ship, and the two ships' energy shields would interact in a crazy lightshow
What's the difference between disruptors and phasers? I also remember that the deflector grid has a separate function than the shield grid.
IRL? No idea. Trek tech only really works with Trek technobabble. (Treknobabble?)
In the show, phasers are (like the dude said) particle beams - however, they use an unknown radiation/material/technobabble maguffin called 'nadions' to produce (or enhance? It isn't really clear) the beam.
Disruptors, on the other hand, work by breaking (or 'disrupting' as the name would suggest) atomic bonds, essentially splitting atoms into their component parts. Basically, nuclear fission in a gun. How this works is a mystery.
Then there's your Romulan plasma weaponry - basically just beams of plasma as was suggested.
Finally, there are the Dominion's polaron beams - presumably some kind of magnetically-confined antimatter beam that destroys everything it touches in an annihilation reaction. They can also pierce shields because plot.
that's where the hull armor comes in. especially when it has a charged state to it
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
I did not get that reference until I saw this comment.
Loved the reference, came to the comments to look for this :)
@@laretus RIGHT?! same hahaha Sooon as I saw that, I was like "omg, Ihope there are enough trekies watching this to catch that one" ;)
Star Trek shields are also composed of matter. In an early technical manual, I read they used what was described as a combination of two technologies that are always on the show. The Replicator and Transporter beams. That is how they can concentrate the shield in any direction.
It is also a way to make a tractor beam. The beam emits a connected string of matter that connects the ships and they slowly reel it in.
I laughed waaaay too hard at: "The Earth isn't perfectly round. Look it up!"
The nice thing about this theory, it even explains the shield charge that Star Trek ships have.
If multiple phaser hits on the same shield portion continuously knock away the magnetoplasma, the shield in that area loses large parts of it's protective potential.
Plus, some ship abilities like converting incoming phaser fire into actually REINFORCING the shields make sense now as well; collecting the particles from the beams in the shields magnetive field increases its protective potential.
Why would trolls turn to stone in sunlight? What would they have to be made of?
Gargoyles too
In an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise, Trip was working on a prototype shield that suspended some sort of particles in a field. I immediately thought of an old product call Hill Plasmatronic speakers. This was a real product in the early 80s, that used a sheet of helium plasma suspended between two magnetic fields as the tweeter. By modulating the strength of the magnetic fields, the sheet of plasma acted as the speaker diaphragm. They actually included an RF cutoff, as those tweeters could be driven all the way to radio frequencies.
..........SURPRISE BORG ATTACK.
Ichsuka SURPRISE ROMULANS!
SURPRISE TRIBBLE!
Don't feed them after midnight, or ever. Just don't feed the tribbles.
RED ALERT!
I should have expected this. -_- Raise Shields!
To Shilds, there was a Episode on Enterprice ( Archer ) where they "created" Shields on a theory and some experiments from a Prio labratory.
Shilds are not only EM Based, "Shildparticals" form some kind of bond and build a net.
New Research shows that it is possible to form some kind of Matter out of Light Particels.
Photons are not much more as Magnatic Waves in Partical Like form.
So lets asume a Star Trek Shilds are a Sub Atomic net of Photons that s boundet together like a fishernet.
It would also explain a diffrent property of Shilds in Startrek. YOu can see Trou but high Energy is Defected / Absorbed.
I almost suffocated from laughter at 2:08
#WeloveyouKyle
Phasers are more insane than you think, they fire Nadions, those directly attack the nuclei of the atoms, they're particle weapons, but they're quantum particle weapons.
Now imagine how tight those shields have to be to stop this, or photon torpedoes, that are basically antimatter warheads.
They're also multi-harmonic shields, which means that magnetic deflection, is just one of the many harmonics they protect the ship from different threats with.
I was always under the impression that there was a separation between the "shields" and the "deflector shields". And the deflector shield was there mostly for physical objects and the more generic shields dealt with more phaser based attacks.
you are correct, there is a difference between shields and deflectors.
shields are to protect against attacks, strong blasts of radiation, and stuff like that.
deflectors are to move stuff (spacedust etc.) out of the way so the ship doesn't get perforated while moving.
however, even the writers of episodes mess that up quite often.
Yeah. I also watched the video expecting some BECAUSE SCIENCE about the deflector.
Instead i got something about the shields...
suddenly Kyle has lost quite a few nerd points.
Writers of Nerdist, you have failed.
I had always thought deflector shields were strictly from the deflector dish, but apparently the ultimate Star Trek source, Memory Alpha states it's a matter of type: there's low power deflector shields coming from the dish (important during warp). The shields raised for defense can also be called deflector shields. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Navigational_deflector . memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Deflector_shield
The writers were completely inconsistent, but the TNG Technical Manual has them named properly.
Archers enterprise "magnetize" their hull to protect it from Phaser blasts
I nearly spewed my coffee at the four lights comment / question!!!
"Set to educate"
Lol
Thank you for confirming my surmise about the use of a "shell" of plasma surrounding the ship and confined by its EM deflector field. I had the idea that the shield would be more powerful than just an EM field,and that gravimetric forces would aid in containment of the plasma shell.
I also surmised that the ship could only charge the shields in this manner once in a while (perhaps the ship needs to recharge the plasma reserves once they've been put into the shield), explaining the degradation of the shields' projection during a pitched battle ("Shields are holding, Captain ..." "Shields are weakening ..." "Shield strength now at 47% ... 39 ... 20 ... three percent ... shields have failed. Another hit like the last one, Captain, and we're toast!") - once one mass of the plasma has been discharged into the EM . gravimetric field, the tanks need to be refilled from the drives or something.
But those types of shields don't experience strain just because someone fires on it, it's energy draw is more or less constant and thus given enough power the shield is impenetrable for any and all energy weapons.
Kinetic weapons engage!
for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, so when the beam gets deflected the machine that produces the magnetic bubble gets pushed back equally, with enough firepower you could theoretically launch that device through the ship at near light speeds.
THERE, ARE, FOUR LIGHTS! (Loved that nod, well played.)
How does the shielded ship use their weapons?
by adjusting the frequency of the field and the beam, they can be made to essentially ignore each other. for a simple analogy, think of 2 sound waves. One wave is extremely uniform and the other a mash of combined frequencies, as the uniform wave passes through the unmodified mash it is canceled out by an opposite frequency in the mash. If you know what frequency the uniform wave is exactly you can remove the interfering frequency in the mash and the uniform wave will pass through unchanged. This would work for most beam weaponry and shielded objects.
Which is why each ship's Shield frequencey is a guarded secret....or the frequency needs to be modulated from the Borg
Sorry, that's not quite how it works. The magnetic field shield does not oscillate at a frequency, but is constant. Otherwise it would not deflect incoming ions but just wiggle them up and down a little until they hit the ship. If the field is constant, firing from the inside in the worst case could actually bend the beam around and make it hit the ship itself! If the phasers are more light-like, the problem would be that the plasma assembled to shield from the outside would just as well shield from the inside, firing would just light up the ship in auroras. :-)
So, all in all: The question is still very relevant. The only idea I could come up with is to switch off the field for a very short time while firing. But there has to be something more elegant.
How about the photon torpedos are set to the same frequency as the shield enabling it to pass through the shield, or the outer layer of the torpedoes being charged with a canceling frequency to "phase" through the shield
Florian Fahrenberger , that's the challenge I was imaging (though you phrased it far more eloquently than my thoughts had this morning). Could the ship phasers actually be physically extended through the shields? The large sphere we see in ST:tNG circling the ship is partially for storytelling and ease of CGI. If the shields were only a meter thick weapon systems could physically penetrate out and not worry about the multi-ball pinball effect inside the ship. It gives another reason why it's a common tactic to target the weapon systems.
The deflector shields, specifically, refer to the ones in use when the ship is moving, especially at warp. They're also referred to as "navigational shields". They prevent space dust from "blowing a hole in the ship the size of your fist". The shields you're talking about are just referred to as "shields". They absorb the energy released by particle beam weapons or explosions from antimatter torpedoes.
At 1:48 at first I thought he was drawing a tree!!!
same
ionized
Worked for the Orville... ;)
I use a system along these same lines for the shields in my own books, interesting how we came to such similar conclusions.
I love how you included Picards flute lol
Wrong! There are five lights 🤕 I gave in almost immediately 😊
Wasn't expecting the Four Lights reference. Well played Mcduder, well played.
Ok, so if plasma can be deflected by an electromagnetic field and dragon ball z ki attacks are just balls/beams of plasma and if magneto can create a neutron star level magnetic field then does that mean that magneto can deflect any dbz ki attack?
" the Earth isn't perfectly round, look it up" epic, but true statement at 5:50
Okay just watched this episode and I had an idea, however, how far-fetched the idea was I almost didn't post. In the future do you think if needed we could actually help the Ionosphere out by supplying some form charge and help reverse global warming in some form or another? Basically giving another layer or helping supply more density to the already formed Ionosphere. The energy necessary would be enormous but is it feasible?
Cody Sketch , I could imagine a satellite network generating a shield that could block solar radiation, though the energy needs would be very large. Which means we would probably have carbon emissions under control. An even simpler system might be having a shield at the L1 LaGrange point (always between us and the sun). This can also help magnetic field deficient Mars from losing its atmosphere.
wouldn't just a very large properly placed solar shield made of tin foil or the like provide enough shade without all energy requirements of any type of energy shield? plus playing games with the ionosphere doesn't sound like a good idea? better yet, very large solar electric power satellites used both to block out the sun's heat and make electricity at the same time and solve the energy problem once and for all?
One thing I'd like to see in sci-fi:
the use of multiple weapon types. Lasers, kinetic cannons, missiles, and torpedoes just to name a few, that would be pretty cool.
can these Deflectorshields block classic kinetic weapons? cause technically they are not charged and they can install a Railgun for sure in one of their ships, these things are basically flying citys
cue the halo super MAC
oh yeah macs... the one type of gun i actually saw in rl (in a military museum of our military and mainly about the gear and its development over time) and i still think it to be ridiculously powerful. i mean i rwad about rl railguns and they are designed to be intercontinental artillery cannons
yes, as long as the magneto-plasma is dense enough it would vaporize any unshielded kinetic projectile.
Magical Fungi
and thick enough, we're talking mach 6 speeds in normal air pressure. thats why today's railguns shoot their projectiles OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE to reach long distance shots. the only reason why we dont use them is the fact that you need a new barrel every three shots and thats expensive and the capacitors we have aren't up for the task for even more powerful ones.
I would argue that density is more important than thickness. If you had something going fast enough with enough mass then it would fail, but given what it has shown to defeat before, i would say it would have to be a very large projectile.... like a schoolbus sized projectile... before it would actually penetrate the shields. Which would just be impractical.
Well, that was interesting, but the show already discussed this in various areas. If we go via Michael Okuda's description (he wrote the book on most of the TNG technology that ST used and developed on in DS9, voyager and the TNG films): In Star Trek TNG (and the other ST shows) the shield systems they use is based on warp field tech. Essentially, when a beam weapon or a photon torpedo impacts the field around the ship, in that specific section of the shield matrix, it is energised and to the beam or torpedoes POV (as beam weapons are sublight only) the ship "moves" out of the way of it due to the shield in that tiny area "warping" space so it cannot hit the hull. (Phasers are often modulated to penetrate a shield this way via scattering effects etc, but then shield tech improves to combat this.)
This localised area effect uses a GREAT deal of energy to generate the field against the high levels of energy being directed against it and so shields can be depleted rapidly the more energetic the weapon being used against them. As a shield absorbs fire and loses the energy it contains, the warping effect is lessened and fire can begin to "leak" through. Sufficently high energy weapons can "burn" out the generators creating the shields fields so rotating ships during combat to allow affected shields to replenish the defence fields and allow engineering to repair damaged shield generators is very important.
[NB: For an example of the power ST ships and shields have to cope with. A Ship based Phaser fired on a planet at full strength can destroy every living thing on the planet and, under continual fire, eventually destroy it.]
In Star Trek, this is why you do not use photon torpedoes if a ship has its shields up, as although torpedoes have penetration aids to try and get past this, they are vastly less capable than the phaser beam (or disruptor). So, in normal space, phaser weapons are usually used to deplete the shields of an enemy ship
However, during warp combat phasers are useless as the energy and particles are not FTL based and so are affected by the warping of space, massively dispersing them and rendering them useless. Only photon/Quantum torpedoes can be used as they are capable of travelling at warp and so can hit and discharge against the ships shields/hull. Romulans, as they do not use photon torpedoes, use the plasma torpedo as it can travel at warp speeds if required (however, although it is vastly more destructive than a photon torpedo it is FAR slower.)
So, ST shields for combat are Warp field based. They do have another set of shields that always remain on and those are used to protect the ship at warp travel: these are "technically" the deflector shields which, when coupled with the main deflector dish at the front of the ship, protect it from dangerous particles, micro asteroids and space debris.
But how we would create "shields" with our current knowledge base? Really fascinating. :)
How possible are the car stunts in Fast and Furious. Most notably the car breaking through the hotel window and landing in another hotel.
D_unexpected 1 not very, I'd imagine, how about how fast they'd have to go to pull it off?
Fast and Furious tank scenes are even more impractical, with a tank driving through concrete without bending it's entire barrel or getting stuck.
My favorite part of that video was the "don't judge my drawing and get over yourself part" when he said the earth was not perfitcly round...so true..but still so funny because how he said it!!
Can you do an episode about the weird electromagnetic thing the Angara do in Mass Effect
They can use them for shields but also to heal and to work their tech and instruments
And at the same time, this just explained Magneto's force fields. Awesome.
How does the stun setting work?
In canon, most phasers work off a fictional nadion radiation. So.... who the fuck knows?
I'd ass-pull that it overloads and disrupts the neural system, which, on low levels causes things like disorientation, confusion, loss of muscle control.
Shield according to Star Trek have a frequency. Meaning, a shield goes on/off very fast. In an episode of Enterprise, it was explained shields can't be "on" all the time, and they need to be turned off and on constantly. If you know the frequency of said shield, you can go in between the on/off moments.
there wasn't enough lens flare for me in this episode :-)
Patrick Knowles we are not in a Micheal bay film
Matt Freg I think you mean JJ Abrams because that's his thing. Explosions are Bay's thing.
I don't think the Kelvin timeline was mentioned though...
@@patrickknowles8081 meh who cares
2:06 Picard Maneuver
I noticed that too!!!
Heres a fun question could a star trek shield stop a star wars turbolaser
HyugaBlood881 Yes
Star Treck tech would massacre Star Wars tech.
Hitting Warp 9 through a series of star systems pretty much guarantees you can tank a turboblaster. There's nothing you can throw at someone that the vast reaches of space can't throw harder. Which StarTrek has proven again and again space does.
They can't use warp next to astroids but they can warp space away from them while traveling or nobody would ever be able to get around in space. Even the tiniest of specks would demolish a ships hull. Despite the common analogy by veiwers, neither show uses lasers because all a laser is, is excited light waves that may cause heat damage at best. If Star Trek ships are encountering shots from torpedoes that can erase masses much higher than a city they can tank a blaster, which is much slower. Even if it has physical properties like a metal, it still has to obey gravity. The reason ship integrity gets compromised in Star Trek is because they cannot engage fields that warp with objects too close, and that frequently becomes a problem for surprise attacks. who needs to worry about a blaster anyway when space has much more dangerous things to watch out for like subspace disturbances that cut off one space into a void. And a high powered star destroyer and a pursuer can't even handle a slow speed chase against a few nearly defeated rebels.
Fun fact about the ionosphere: it doesn't just deflect incoming radiation from space, but also outgoing radiation from the ground, such as radio waves. That's why radio signals can reach past the horizon. They go up and bounce off the ionosphere back to the ground.
It looks like Star Trek may have pushed scientific advancement forward by almost a century, just the motivation of this may have changed humanity’s future
By design 👽👽👽
LUKES like your right 👽👽👽
Finally an explanation of this !!
Doing a Because Science segment on Star Trek almost feels like cheating, haha.
It's an ACTUAL sci-fi series compared to most pop-culture franchise. It's got to be one of the easiest material to do this show with. :)
aohige well except voyager maybe
It's very, *very* soft science fiction.
because science and then muskwatch have gotta be my favorite series on this channel
"Deflector shields" refer to the shields they use, while moving, to prevent "the first grain if space dust" from "blowing a hole through this ship the size of your fist".
The shields you're talking about are not referred to as "deflector shields"; they're "energy shields", or just "shields".
Because we already have nuclear reactors in everyday use, we also have ways to shield ourselves from neutron radiation. Those methods would probably be built into the hulls of starships.
If a phaser shot alpha or beta particles though it would only have a range of 1 metre or 10cm in an Earth-like atmostphere I swear?
Ed F but it's space tho.
Why do you think you never see them on earth (except for that episode where they went back in time, and in that episode, I'm pretty sure they didn't use phaser shots on earth, or if they did they didn't use it further than 10cm
To both of your replies, I said "Earth like". Any atmosphere will absorb the particles but an atmosphere with earth's pressure will do it at 10cm for alphas and 1m for betas. Do you seriously think that walking around on a planet with breathable air has nothing in common with earth?
If its in atmosphere it wouldnt change, the magnetosphere only protects against coming from the outside.
4 Tonnes of Fury yeah mate I'm talking about the handheld phasers which I'm assuming were what were being talked about because that was the graphic in the video. They would be used in an atmosphere.
Best Shows on UA-cam. It knowledgeable and fun.
Every scifi ship has some version of deflector shields? The Battlestar Galactica and Andromeda Ascendant jump to mind, I don't recall them existing in Firefly or the Expanse either.
Slavir Nabru Galactica didn't have shields, she had hull armour.
Those are shows where kinetic-kill weapons are the main armament, should have been more specific, sorry -- KH
Should have been way more specific. tie fighters don't have shields either.
nor do the ships in Babylon 5
You talking new Galactica or old Galactica? Because I swear the original TV series had some type of shielding... i'd swear I heard them say something like "charge the outer hull" or something similar.
Love the reference to the episode where Picard is being interrogated/tortured and repeatedly asked how many lights he sees.
so how do you stop a neutron bomb?
strap some school desks to you space ship?
With your fleshy body -- KH
With your Morty.
Use a Fleshlight saber.
I would imagine that the hull Armour is generations ahead of anything we have and can absorb the energy. In ST:TOS its stated somewhere that the hull of the 1701 can take a direct hit from a nuke. The hull and structural support material would have to be super strong just to handle impulse speed maneuvers.
I'd say the difference between the descriptions of what they are likely is referring to the difference between a Federation type phaser and something like a Klingon disruptor. They make references to 'phaser/disruptor burns' during medical talk, indicating that they likely do different types of damage.
6:00 Kyle is a flat earther
More of an egg-earther.
He forgot to add the 4 elephants and giant turtle to it.
The turtle moves!
The comment: "the earth isn't perfectly round, look it up!"
Cracked me up. :-D
Anarchy Antz and there is a distinct lack of Octarine colors.
@7:14 Just be thankful they didn't use a Varon-T disruptor on you. Well done!
Hey Kyle!
Could you do a video on Discoverys new spore drive? I just love the idea - and I actually like this updated, more adult Star Trek WAAAAY more then anything that came before :)
i like the style, dark and gritty... but the spore drive is complete bullshit.
Spore drive?
A Disfigurement Where My Head Is The Sun Do you watch the 'Star Trek: After Trek' show? They featured the real Stamets whose real fungi science is the basis for this in the stores. The website is www.fungi.com, if you'd like some more info
@A Disfigurement Where My Head Is The Sun:
What exactly is "more adult" about it?
@Magical Fungi:
There are plenty of dark, gritty sci-fi shows you could have watched then. That isn't what Star Trek was about. But for some reason the Grimdark Borg must assimilate everything.
Dan Kyle u beefed up over the years. Found this video randomly.
You rock
4 people liked this upside down.
As seen in 0:52 the shields are not Deflecting anything, but Adsorbing the energy and dispersing the energy across the whole shield. Hence greatly lessening the impact/damage to the ship.
Energy weapons are one thing kenetic weapons are another..... Explain defense against kenetics
Kinetic could be deflected for the same way kinetics get deflected in air now. Space is big. Ships should be big for a practical journey. That means a really big magnetic field and even larger plasma shield. That's plenty to deflect a kinetic weapon like a bullets
This is why Star Trek is superior to Star Wars.
Because science.
science just hasnt caught up to star wars yet, trek is just the off brand star wars
trek is a realistic imagining with technology we have or are very close to having, wars is a fantasy with nothing based in real technology.... big difference. They both have their place, neither is better than the other.
Saying Star trek is better then star wars is like saying star wars is better then blade runner. They aren't even the same genre.
Star wars is space fantasy and Star trek is science fiction. Just like blade runner is sci-fi noir.
Please stop comparing movies just because they have space ships and robots.
... but Star Trek is better...
+Abernathy Rah You are so wrong that is almost pointless to correct you.
I saw an idea one person had which was that the Star Trek shields bend space, like their warp core, and that the bent space causes phasers and other weapons to follow space curvature around the ship.
Very interesting and enjoyably explained.
I'm going to use the phrase "particle beams from space" in my daily life from now on. :P
If you watched the enterprise series where they had no shields they experimented with alternating magnetic fields. The fields were opposing and alternating as explained on the show. They worked like two bubbles over lapping and alternating at a certain frequency this was the frequency of the shields.
Nice Picard Maneuver at 2:05
4:31 You win all the cool points for referencing Chain of Command! The episode that snapped Counsellor Troi back so hard she wore a proper uniform FOR THE REST OF HER APPEARANCES! Not just the rest of TNG but on Voyager too. Captain Jellico DAMN! 2 episodes and he had an incredible lasting impact on the whole show. Put Bloody Cardis in their place and basically helped set the events that would plague early seasons of DS9 with the Marquis. Had they not gotten spanked by Starfleet so easily the couple times they met in TNG, the first time by a disgraced Captain Maxwell in a Nebula class starship. Not even close to the top of the line warships Starfleet could muster, it DECIMATED the Cardassian warship mind you warship, from outside of that ships firing range. I believe these defeats lead to the Cardassians trying to negotiate rather than fight sheen the Klegnons invade and even before when the a Marquis were curbstomping then into the ground they were knuckling under to lick boots so to speak. I think it all stems from this, their beatdowns at the hands of the Los Federalís in TNG. Thinking they can't challenge the Federation openly until they have more of an equal footing technologically, this lead the civilian government to appease invaders to try and buy time, but by the time they had the ships in place, their position had been eroded so much by the incursions that it was almost too little, too late, and they were forced to capitulate even further to the Klegnons after their invasion. No wonder Dukat does what he did. People say the Cardassians betrayed the entire Alpha Quadrant, but I'm gonna argue the Quadrant betrayed them first.
Wow! Now that's nerdism for you. I wrote a whole book just because of a line connected to a one off throw away reference. Because science (or over analysis of lore as the case may be).
I might be crazy, but I'm sure I saw 5 lights. 4:21 KH I see your reference to Next Gen. It did not go unnoticed. Well done.
Love the ending - short and simple :D
There's a TNG episode where they encounter a ship trying to shoot lasers at them. They're all stunned and we're left wondering why (unless you're SUCh a trek geek, that you already understand shield ops), until Beardface McRikers says "They can't even penetrate our navigational shields!"
I think by 'navigational shields,' he's referring to the deflectors (not to be confused with deflector shields, which are not a thing in star trek. refer to comment below).
Excellent presentation. I like the graphics and effects. Your acting skills are pretty interesting also. All said, you do a great job of explaining a very technical subject so that most anyone can understand it.
Here is a question: can the shield strength be affected by interacting with the energy beam that struck it? In the TV or Movie, they always claim the shields are down by so much....etc. Can the effective strength of the shield be affected by the attack?
Hey Kyle, based on your theory of Star Trek shields, would the common trope of "reverse the shield polarity" have any effect on what kinds of things it would protect against?
As far as being vulnerable to all non-plasma/charge particle weapons, there are plenty of ways to deal with that.
I can imagine dedicated warships would also have armor to deal with kinetic attacks or lasers (which would bypass the shields), and possible even have lead lining around hull of the ship and especially parts where the crew are situated. And missiles intended to bypass the shields could be dealt with by point defense turrets, which a ship as large as the enterprise would almost certainly have at least a few, and they'd double as effective countermeasures for strike craft like fighters and bombers.
This is kind of amazing too since the concepts for these things that apparently actually would work were designed so long ago (comparatively) What I mean is I doubt the writers of Star Trek actually thought this tech could actually be real- unless they did and I'm unaware...
Really enjoyed the aurora/active shield deflection comparison! It’s like a localized aurora :D
OH MAN!!!! love the lights reference THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS!!!!!probably one of the best tng episodes other then darmok and jalad
This is a decent possibility for Kirk-era shields (with perhaps a little more future-tech to account for neutrons and physical objects). This also exists in TNG shields, but by then there is also an element of space-time distortion added to the tech. This is using the knowledge they already have for artificial gravity and warp drive, and creating distortions in space which further strengthen the shields and add to the type of things deflected.
They actually discuss the ship's vulnerability to nuclear weapons in the original series. They also established that they discontinued use of them, due to them being extremely dangerous aboard the ships.
I always said an old school nuke was the key to defeating the Borg. The Borg never have their shields up when they first encounter a Starfleet ship, so just transport a nuke into the center of the Borg ship with a 10 second timer so when it detonates it blows the entire cube/sphere apart from the inside.
they would defuse it pretty quickly, remember that one Borg has the minds of trillions of others, because they act as a hive mind. Their sensors will easily trace that nuke and disable your transporters.
And even if you do find a way to sneak in the nuke, remember what I said earlier about trillion drones quickly transferring information to each other, meaning they'll defuse the nuke in a fraction of a second.
You always scratch my science itch. I was seriously buggin about this lol.
Way to use the command icon in the titles. Why does Science Division NEVER get the love it deserves?!
What about shield strength/effectiveness? The crew of the Enterprise D was practically amused when they were attacked with lasers. However, the shields are steadily weakened by percentage points when deflecting a significant force. Holes will eventually appear, even before shields are reduced to zero percent. Enemies can potentially pinpoint these vulnerable areas, causing significantly more damage. Under these circumstances power redistribution is essential. Emergency shields and physical bulkheads serve as the last lines of defense to prevent depressurization.
7:14 I knew it! One does not simply talk about star trek in a red shirt!
I looked at the vid about photon torpedoes and I’d love if you made a vid about how the ships survive multiple hits and what they must be made of. Thanks. 👍🏼