this is literally what every editor of your favorite shounen mangas do, the fact that he was able to tell such a complex and intricate story with sasuke shows he's a writer who took a useful piece of advice and made it his own, which is what all good writers do
Yea i really dont get the point he made. Okay, editor added this character into but the author is the one who wrote and mended thr story to include the character and be part of the world
@@red1bk190 He also copied Star Wars story for Shipuuden. Think about it: Naruto: Luke Skywalker Jiraiya: Obi-Wan Minato/Pain: Anakin/Vader Green Frog: Yoda And the relationship between all of them unfolds the exact same way.
Nah, this is pretty normal thing honestly. As a creative sometimes your ideas only make sense to yourself. Especially when you are making a whole universe/setting. Editors and other such sounding boards help straighten stuff out, and also gives ideas for plot and story direction. Creatives can be vines, and editors terrasses for them to grow on.
@@Ellen_Musikso you juste ignored all the incredible characters that he made itachi jiraya madara Naruto obito pain minato ……..and just focused on sakura lol
Same thing happened to George Lucas, the og trilogy was so good, that for the next they just let him do whatever he wanted, no questions asked, no changes made. It didn't work as they thought it would.
@@monotromatic2951 simple recommend that Naruto have a rival = ghost writing ingoring kishimoto had to build and write that character from the ground up this the equivalent of saying kishimoto ghost wrote op when oda got inspired by partial expansions jutsu y’all are unserious
Sounds more like Kishimoto wanted to write a talking animal story with a tone similar to early DragonBall, but the editor said no. I'd probably lack creative motivation as well if the editors shot down the idea I spent years developing
@@MurasakiTsukimaru I swear the only thing i remember of TenTen is her fighting her clone at the start of naruto shippuden and she just doesnt exist for the rest of shippuden
@@seikuo36 Things she does in the manga: Pretends to be weak before chuunin exams start. Stands around while Lee or Neji do things. Gets offscreened by Temari. Fought her clone. Told off Kiba for insulting Ino for being upset Sasuke was finally being treated like the traitor he is. Picked up one of those Rikudo Sennin weapons, instantly passed out from trying to use it. And finally, had a dream world where Gai and Lee were cool (perhaps the most insulting of the women's ideal worlds, since at least the others revolving around men were women who had crushes/love interests).
I wonder where the idea that a creative made every single aspect of their show, came from. I don’t think this makes the author a bad writer. If anything it makes him a better creative to take suggestions and make them blossom.
100%. Take one piece for example. When the sabaody arc was being released the editor suggested oda adds more characters to add some tension/action. In a week oda came up with the supernova. Law ended up becoming one of the most important side characters and he wouldn't of even existed if it wasn't for that suggestion.
what? idk man the editor made kishimoto change Naruto from a story of animals to a story of humans then he helped kishimotos named the jutsus and he added in sasuke idk man I think these 3 points alone makes it thoroughly obvious that the editor did way more than sculpting an existing story he pretty much erased and made each of kishimotos idea 100x better
In Kishimoto's defense he had to put out chapters weekly. If he was allowed more time to think about the possible directions the story could go, and think about the other characters he was forced to forget about while focused on the main characters and big picture. Given more time he probably could have done a lot better. People don't understand how difficult writing can be until they try. Add in a really short time frame and anyone would start to choke with the amount of characters and things going on in Naruto. Given the circumstances I think he actuallly managed to do okay; and wrap up the main plot (Naruto & Sasuke) in a pretty satisfying way.
bruh, did u not watch the video? the editor being the true good writer of the manga is not the norm for mangaka. kishimoto just doesn't know how to write
@@alexanderfate8447 So you’re telling me that his editor made suggestions that completely changed the landscape of the entire story, adding in characters and plot points, changing his entire vision for the series making it nearly unrecognizable and….he wrote one of the best selling manga in the world that is STILL ongoing and successful? Heralded for some of the best character development, some of the best fights and some of the most fleshed out lore in a series up to that point? You’re right, what an awful writer lmaooo
People think kishimotos a bad writer for not writing complete arcs for background characters that are just backdrops, every series has them, your favorite series has them, kishimoto isn't a bad writer
@@alexanderfate8447you didn't watch the video stupid. The editor didn't write sasuke, he gave him the concept for the character for which kishimoto wrote as the dueterotagonist. Kishi haters straight up making shit up now 😂
Yes, the chunin exams was the editor Idea, but plan was only do a tournament arc, only because was popular. Kishimoto that did all the exams, and the characters.
The original story was of a Kitsune named Naruto who used his shapeshifter powers to cause trouble and pull pranks around a village before maturing and growing as a person
Yeah, originally, Naruto was supposed to BE Kurama, an incarnation of him, instead of Kurama simply being sealed in him as a different entity. This explains why he was outcast and the glaring plot hole of him being treated badly despite being the hokage's son and a valued jinchuriki. Now we just meme about the 3rd being a bad caretaker.
Make sense and yeah he was treated too badly for being a Hokage son that literally a hero's son who saved the village. It's very strange and make everyone in Konoha seems like a jerk in early Naruto.
Judging from the fact that OP included some concept art and panels from the "original draft" of the manga (if that's the correct term), I think he knew what Naruto was originally about before he asked.
Imagine a world where we got Kishimoto's original Naruto. A fox Naruto running around pulling jutsu out of thin air on his quest to become village leader.
I mean, I can see it as a decent gag-manga. It's just Kishimoto wouldn't pull this off if he actually had the chance for that. It takes a a guy who knows comedic timing way better than him. Like Sorachi Hideaki, for example.
@@Arkosano Funny thing is... I actually thought about that, but I don't think gintama would easily capture the same spot as a Naruto replacement. Even though I'm a massive fan and consider Gintama the greatest out of the Big-3 generation battle shounens, there's no way it could be as big in the west, as Naruto's become. In Japan no problem, but the west wasn't ready yet for this type of show. It's like mixing Freakazoid and BTAS in one essence, localiser would have no idea how to sell it to a north-american kid. The other shows had the appeal and recognizable themes: pirates were thriving in the 2000's, Ninjas were still all the rage. Hell, even Bleach has the whole high-school angle at the start and a kid with a family from our world. Gintama is... Not very marketable as a title for the west. An alternative period action-parody about the mid 19th century Japan, being colonized by aliens instead of Yankees? Nobody's gonna watch that, even if they put it at Adult Swim. It's way too japanese for the time, i'm afraid. Even then it would show up on TVs way too late to become the same impactmaker as the OG big three.
Dude I think that is the job of the editor 😂 the editor did not write the entire anime thought of the plot but he gave recommendations as his job is, if mangakas didn’t fuck up some aspects of their stories editors would be out of a job!
@@ggwp638BC Eh. They can be both good and bad. Apparently, Kishimoto originally after land of waves wanted a mission based arc for team 7 but his editors suggested a tournament based one since Hunter x Hunter also did one, and then we got the chunin exams, the arc where the side characters were only relevant and had good and bad things
That’s why editors exist. They are the second opinion to the authors’ ideas and the ones who suggests the changes, for the better or worse, a lot of series might have ended up different without them :v
@@Daicidusyeah that's not how it works and manga considering multiple very popular mangaka's editors came up with major plot points. Hell the Android and Cell saga's would have been completely different if it weren't for the editors; the entirety of dragon Ball would actually be different considering they made toriyama change the tone from less comedy to more serious and action-packed.
@@Daicidus They aren’t. Their role is to give their opinions about the authors’ ideas, and to suggest changes for the better of the story. Just have to look at Dragon Ball or One Piece, characters would have never existed and events might have ended up differently if it wasn’t for their editors. Android 17 & 18, and Cell with his transformations weren’t part of Toriyama’s plan, not until his editor from that time suggested to keep adding new characters/transformations until he was satisfied, which might have changed Trunks’ flashback story. Then for One Piece, the introduction of the Supernovas was the editor’s idea and not Oda, the reason being that he wanted more things to happen during Sabaody arc.
That's why editors exist They are the second opinion to the author's ideas and suggest changes for better or worse a lot of the series might have ended up different
@@DaicidusThey’re a part in that too. Look at Dragon Ball. An editor is the main reason why the Cell Saga is what it is. Without that editor we wouldn’t have gotten Android 17 and 18, we also wouldn’t have gotten cell and I think his forms too.
On the other hand, iirc, Kishimoto got a different editor around the Pain Arc I think it was? And it shows as the series begins to spiral until we get "Hey, remember how chakra is inherent in all living things and running out will kill you? Well actually, it's because a goddamn alien ate a fruit and everyone got chakra because of her sons sealing her in the moon." Or you know, Naruto hyping the dude who murdered his parents, and Neji, and tens of thousands of people in the last few hours.
Even if Sasuke is 80% of the story like you said, the editor just suggest giving Naruto a rival. I'm not surprised if Kishimoto just clicks and he just snowball from there
Thats how it works, the editor is the necessary second opinion a mangaka should have or to give him guidance, like giving Naruto a rival (Sasuke). Similar story with Toriyama and how Cell and android 17 and 18 came to life after his editor didn't like dr Gero and and android 19 design (and later he didn't like 17 and 18 lol)
The chunin exams were ALSO a editor's note. You REALLY think Sasuke's haphazard story line wasnt written on the fly by a handful of editors? It literally read that way back in 2015 when I read it😂 I always knew that two different people were writing certain ppl. The motivations flipflop ALL THE TIME
@@Hi_My_Names_Ryan yeah, I have to admit, it was shocking how things escalated so suddenly and so fast after 2 to 3 volumes of Naruto. The side plot literally got out of hand and snowballed into a necessary sequel 😂
Toriyama: So the next villains are going to be a pair of robots, what do you think? Editor: Lmao, no. Nobody wants an old geezer and fat guy to be taken seriously. Toriyama: Ok, I'll keep those two, but these new robotic cyborgs will play the lead role of the villains instead. Editor: Lmao, no. Those are just some brats. Give us more. Toriyama: Fine, this is the real villain. He needs to absorb the last pair I showed you to transform into his final form. Here's what I got for his designs, I'm very proud of the last one. Editor: Finally, a character worthy of being the villain, except that last form is God awful, it's hideous even, add a third form I beg of you! Toriyama: THERE, I FIXED IT! Anything else??? Editor: Nope, all good.
Yea, Oda's assistant was the one who suggested adding more to Sabaody, which resulted in The Supernovas. And Toriyama's editor famously kept pushing him to change the villains for the Cell Saga. All the way from Gero to Perfect Cell.
Okay, but one piece while not being as good would still be a great story if oda wrote it himself. If kishimoto wrote Naruto by himself, we’d have a bland repetitive story where there was no goal, rival or even other notable clans and it Naruto would be an unlikeable jackass til the end of the manga.
@@crackbane1330I mean, Sakura is universally hated for being written as a crazy love-sick fool. She’s supposed to be as important as Naruto and Sasuke as the third member of their team but she gets basically no development compared to them. And, the amount of good female characters is heavily outweighed by the amount of good male characters. I’m not saying that there are no good female characters, just a few. When you think of female Naruto characters, few come to mind and fewer are well written. Consider the senseis. Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, and Kurenai. Those three male characters got their moments to shine and be cool. Kurenai got one fight against an opponent that her greatest strength was weak against then was just pregnant and didn’t matter anymore. Again there are well written female characters, but damn is it hard to find them.
@@teathie8224 first of all how do you know she was meant to be more important that's like sayin leorio (hunter hunter ) was supposed to be more important, the author is telling a story not telling sasuke's , sakura's or kakashi's story , he gets to chose who he wants to focus on . And also the argument that there are more males of females , what did you want 50/50 , equal amounts ?
Honestly if he had been he'd probably have turned out at least 50x more interesting. Sasuke is just kinda.... well, I'll just say he's got more plot armor than the rest of the characters combined and he's still boring
@@emptyblack4620Bro, Naruto literally has a nine tailed fox in him who is supposed to be more powerful than all the tails combined (like whenever it felt like Naruto was losing, kurama came in and it was something new always) and not to mention his Talk no jutsu. Like how can anyone have more plot armor than that ? At least Sasuke had skills as a ninja to back it up
@@shivanim1158 The man literally died to killer Bee TWICE in one fight, and has never won a fight with out the win being handed to him. Bee beat his ass, Itachi basically killed himself, Naruto wasn't trying to kill him in the first valley of the end fight or Sasuke would have just died, he got his ass saved from Garra, the list goes on. I think the only fight he may have won on his own was against an almost dead Orochimaru, and honestly I'm not sure that counts.
It’s like the creator of Batman (Bob Kane) who wanted to make Batman a blonde man wearing red shirt & bat wings, but the writer (Bill Finger) changed Batman to wear grey suit, black cowl & cape in the final design. Bill Finger even added the batmobile, batcave, Batman’s gadgets, Alfred, Joker, Robin etc.
Im only on season 6 but they were chasing sasuke before after the chunin exams, ino and sakura and I guess a lot of the girls were chasing after him, and then they had to chase him cuz of orochimaru guys 4 quadejeujwnh
Kishimotos biggest flaw was his short sight, he didnt look too far ahead of what he was currently working on, and unlike oda who not only looked ahead but also made sure future chapters were consistent with the past
Oda is known for making shit up on the spot, such as the super novas, zoros backstory, THRILLER BARK, Baroque works, Enel and every single devil fruit up until punk hazard, where he implies in an sbs that he had thought of ONE name for a fruit, the magnet fruit, but he states multiple times throughout part one that he just makes up the names and sometimes the abilities, bro oda is easily the worst offender of this, great writer, but Manga is not a medium that encourages planning out arcs, that's how you get flat arcs, the only arcs I can prove he planned is enies lobby and since that's the best arc in the series, it's probably what he should have been planning.
Kishimoto is definitely a good writer considering the fact that he wrote the thing, but you also have to understand that in WSJ the editor acts as a direct collaborator and can dictate elements of the story and where it's going to go. This only looks bad because Kishimoto outright told you the suggestions of the editor, but I can guarantee you the case is the same for every WSJ manga.
@@chargemankentwriting a weekly manga is not easy( e.g he wrote kakazu vs kakashi in hospital thats why it was rushed).I suspect he was burnt out by the end snd just wanted to finish the manga and give it a satisfying ending(more than which can be said for hxh unfortunately)
Editor in most mangas: Does their job Communities: BOOO BAD AUTHOR I just wanna clear it out, kishimoto wrote everything about sasuke, we dont exactly know what they meant by the jutsu statement, which i mean isnt that weird since its basically magic
You mean op toxic community shtting on naruto everyday is their daily quota. They love pissing off naruto community for em to feel superior. and to go down this low by slandering kishimoto's finest work. 😢 Pure disrespect.
@@xgshwiainr this video is misleading. the editor did not come up with sasuke. kishimoto still wrote and came up with sasuke's character on his own, it was just the editor letting him know a rival to naruto would be good.
@kasunova151 still, the fact that he was in the drawing phase in his manga and the editor had to suggest to add the second most important character in naruto is crazy. at that point it's no longer editing, it's drafting.
@@ImNotEpix genuine question: how much input is normal from an editor in a shonen jump manga, especially for new authors? On its face it sounds like a big deal, but is pitching/suggesting large changes to story and character dynamics that outside the normal constraints of the industry?
Kishimoto has stated several times that "he's growing as a writer." There were plenty of changes made by his editor, but he still had to come up with the villains' backstories, fight scene choreography, and emotion in the story. Also, this is a very common thing with editors in the manga industry. Originally Toriyama wanted to have Dr. Gero and Android 19 as the main villains for the Cell Saga. But he got corrected by his editor so Toriyama changed it to #17 and #18. His editor said "These are just two random f#cking teenagers." So that's when Toriyama came up with the idea for Cell. Also Toriyama wanted Cell's 2nd form to be his final form, but his editor suggested to give Cell a third form. That's why the Cell saga is so f#cking long *LMAO*
The villains hard carried the entire story. Naruto fell short where it counted most imo. He had no answer to any of his opposition. Kishi gave naruto nothing to show for all of his hardship and growth outside of power ups. Think about it. What great quotes does naruto have....now do the villains. Lelouch had answers to these types of antagonists. Just swap charles for madara and schneizel with pain. Lelouchs responses to them in ther final confrontations aren't even complex....naruto should have easily reached the same conclusions through his experiences and what he's seen from others....but we got nothing.
@taepyeoon8245 bro I don't understand what you are try to say, raizo, that guy from one piece who was completely based off of Naruto?, NARUTO was made 10 years before the introduction of raizo, its just oda wanted to take reference from his friend kishimoto Hxh, he took inspiration from ONE of the manga panels of hxh, many writers take reference from one another JOJO??? you mean that main character guy hair is yellow, and Naruto's hair is also yellow, is that what you mean by stealing???
@ricky18redblack31 I used to think just like you then I saw how well black clover handled the female characters which is still unmatched and wished Sakura was the same
Me too. I think one of the things that could have been done better was using them more. They had a lot of wasted potential, but I don't blame Kishimoto for that though. The man had to put out chapters weekly; and was likely scrambling while trying to focus on the big picture, and the main characters. He probably should have been allowed a hiatus so he could focus on just planning for awhile. Given time he could have planned separate arcs for his other characters that would have allowed them to do and be more.
tbh so many side characters, just discarded. Kimimaro was the only member from his clan..and he just showed up and just..dies. Rock lee was not used to the best of his abilities after the chunin exam arc. Mei Terumi is quite frankly an anomaly among shinobi, yet she isn't expanded on...at all. Tsunade is written soo badly despite arguably being the best sannin(just my opinion). Orochimaru deserved much more recognition. His villain arc felt weak. Kaguya's entry and Naruto and sasuke being hagoromo's sons was a very abrupt revelation. It should have been foreshadowed. Same for Itachi's truth.
problem with Kishimoto is that he just had to give every single cool jutsu to the Uchiha. the Tsukiyomi was already cool enough to be the default Mangekyo Sharingan ability but nah they also had to have inextinguishable fires, teleportation, literally rewriting reality, etc. those abilities could've been given to side characters
@@apoorvjoshi2383 Stop crying. A character isn't wasted cus YOU wanted to see more from them. All the names mentioned played the role the author wanted them to.
@@apoorvjoshi2383 Rock Lee got expanded and was meant to die before part 2, but he stayed alive because of popularity. Kishimoto never had plans for him beyond the retrieval arc, and I'm glad he kept it that way. What's actually bad about Tsunade's writing? Orochimaru killed 2 kages, almost destroyed the leaf and got his hands on the 'last' Uchiha. He had people like Kakashi trembling in his presence, rattled Naruto to the core, so how did his villain arc feel weak? Naruto Sasuke carrying a cycle had been hinted before shippuden you just didn't see it. The Itachi's one is down to opinion but having rewatched the anime Itachi motive for killing his clans felt like some BS, so I think he was always meant to have a reveal.
Without Kishimoto we wouldn't have gotten the most clipped anime speeches of all time. To this day I still see Naruto speeches more than anything else.
@@ayushborkar8089Nah there is just one two speech from Aot including the Eren one but in Naruto a good amount of characters has given some of the greatest speeches Like the Speech of Madara about the accursed world, Pains speech about the cycle of hatred, Itachi's speech about a perfect being and many more And each one of them is more famous than Eren's speech
@@user-wc6qx3zw4xthose edgy speeches suck. They are basically a 13 year old's edgy views of the world. There is little substance in any of those speeches you named, just coping with their crappy decisions, except for Itachi. The Rock Lee and Might Guy speech is mt favorite tho.
Wow an editor helped a manga artist. Incredible and I'm guessing the editor made the characters so enjoyable made Sasuke and Itachi such good characters and made Naruto the phenomenon it is.
That doesn't mean he's a bad writer... The fact that he was willing to listen to advice from a more experienced editor is proof he's a good writer. And yes, there were plot holes... But some of them were necessary (Hiruzen is a huge one; a good grandfather AND neglectful at the same time) for the sake of the story to work. And in the end, it was a manga being pumped out weekly... But he actually did everything quite well and wrote a great story that touched millions...
@@IlIllIIIlll Yeah. Nearly all, if not all, are explained within the series or were never plot holes to begin with. Not many people know what a plot hole actually is. The “plot hole” op stated is a perfect example of.
The editor also ruined some things. Like them not letting kishimoto kill of neji.during the Sasuke retrieval arc. I feel like it would've been good for naruto and Hinata relationship and character development. Plus there is a lot of Naruto fans who hate Sasuke and most of them Sasuke haters thought naruto would be better off without Sasuke, and it's pretty funny when you realize Sasuke was kishimoto's favorite character.
I feel like the minute they made his story about defying fate, they should have kept him alive to prove he isn’t bound by fate when he dies it proves he was right
@@mrcat4508 true that would've better, but that's what happens when you only have a week but unlike most mangaka kishimoto has a editor who make him change this so kishimoto technically has less than a week to complete a chapter
I'd actually be curious what Naruto would be like without Sasuke. Like a Naruto that didn't chase Sasuke all over the place and instead delved more deeply into other aspects on the show and the main plot with the Akatsuki and all that. It could be interesting if done right
@@valenschristianyosua that's true, but Naruto trying to get Sasuke back was a major plot point in Naruto. It was his motivation of a lot of his actions
@@sherlock13holmes Not really, most of his actions is motivated by protecting his village and friends. Rescuing Gaara, Helping Shikamaru, Saving the village from pain, Helping in the war. None of these has anything to do with bringing Sasuke back. It only felt like a lot due to the memes
That's the job of an editor.. To edit down the most crazy ideas the writer has.... Kishimoto may not have the crazy twist and turns Isayama has and not a grand story like Oda... But no one tackles human emotions better than Kishimoto. Naruto ain't the best story ever written but the weight of emotions it made feel is insane
No one tackles human emotions better than kishimoto? Mate what the actual fuck are u smoking. His writing is no way near that level of praise, no even in the wildest dream bruh 💀
Dude absolute cap. Naruto got real cheesy and dumb in Shippuden, ESPECIALLY after Pain. Every arc is "I have trauma and now I am a mass murdering war criminal." "Ay bruh I know how it feels, but you gotta stop for real... ✊️😔" "Oh ok."
It's not just a Kushimoto thing, manga editors have saved countless manga from being garbage. For example Goku's design was totally different until Toriyama's editor told him to change it.
@@redninja3056 not true. It would have been a anime version of the monkey king. Thats not a rip off nor does it make it dogshit XD your essentially calling the OG Journey to the west story dogshit
@omniken2494 yeah which would be a ripoff which is what makes it dog shit goku wouldn't have an iconic design he would just be known as that character that looks like sun wo Kong which would make the character design dogshit because it's a ripoff
@@dominicpiovesan1715 I’ve read it twice, once recently. Stop dodging my question with dumbass statements like this, instead just answer my damn question 😭😭😭
People don't seem to realize this, but Naruto was originally meant to be about a demon fox forced into human form living in a society. He loved pranking people with pitfalls, tinkering with his scooter, and didn't give a crap about people. Most of those things were changed after the original Naruto oneshot came out and got picked up, but literal final hour stuff happened on the eve the first chapter of Naruto was going to print, where they changed Naruto from the demon fox to an unlicky youth made to be the host of the demon fox, so the Scroll of Forbidden Jutsu Naruto finds was originally the Scroll of Sealing, which locked away the demon fox's power. The people looking for blood had legitimate reason to be afraid of Naruto before the rewrite - demon fox geting back his power would be Game Over for them. The more you know.
Kishimoto’s writing style is that of a fairy tale, very vague, yet uses that for awe inspiring. I personally don’t like this style, but you have to admit that Naruto told as a bed time story works so much better than most other anime told that way
@@Myccicin no way shape or form. Boruto part 1 is worse than Naruto part 1, and y'all boruto fans were saying wait for part 2 and it's better but still worse than Shippuden(excluding war arc)
Naruto was literally the fox in the pilot. I read that one first and was so confused why it was completely different when I read the first chapter. At that point the only characters I knew were Naruto and the Hokage
actually this just proves he a good writer, the feed back was just add a rivalry for the main character. And name these differently. He came up with how to do that himself
Bakuman really opened my eyes to what making manga is like and how important editors are for the mangas. Very good read from death notes author highly recommend
I was always convinced that Kishimoto was just an idea guy, he could come up with some of the wildest things. He just wasnt very good at materializing is all. He needed a wing man to draw all that shit together. He was Naruto, he just needed his Sasuke.
Didn't you know that every pro mangaka has one or more editors assigned to him by the publishing company they work for, and said editors are as much an asset as the mangaka themselves, if not more? Young mangaka paired with experienced editor, old mangaka paired with young editor, they grow together and learn new things together. You don't see their names on covers, but they effectively are co-authors of every good manga you've read.
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"What was Naruto going to be about before they added Sasuke?"
"Ramen..."
Finally someone know this
Naruto becoming Hokage. Naruto would have been a different story without him but not necessarily bad
@@Couldnt_think_of_anything imagine calling a authar bad because his editor did his job
@@Couldnt_think_of_anything how can a bad writer make an iconic series with millions of fans and is considered one of the big three
@@gamergaming5221 I didn’t say it was bad
Basically the editor's notes were "write better, dammit!"
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He didn't he just said add a rival
Tbf that's part of their job. To give feedback
To be fair, that is their job
Sounds like Writer Rush or Editor Rush (just like Chef Rush)
this is literally what every editor of your favorite shounen mangas do, the fact that he was able to tell such a complex and intricate story with sasuke shows he's a writer who took a useful piece of advice and made it his own, which is what all good writers do
Yeah i hate these types of videos man. I'm sure most people here have not actually read Naruto because Kishimoto put some real soul into that mf story
EXACTLY OMG UR THE ONLY PERSON SAYING ACTUALLY SMART SHIT
Yea i really dont get the point he made. Okay, editor added this character into but the author is the one who wrote and mended thr story to include the character and be part of the world
@@red1bk190 He also copied Star Wars story for Shipuuden. Think about it:
Naruto: Luke Skywalker
Jiraiya: Obi-Wan
Minato/Pain: Anakin/Vader
Green Frog: Yoda
And the relationship between all of them unfolds the exact same way.
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Nah, this is pretty normal thing honestly. As a creative sometimes your ideas only make sense to yourself. Especially when you are making a whole universe/setting. Editors and other such sounding boards help straighten stuff out, and also gives ideas for plot and story direction. Creatives can be vines, and editors terrasses for them to grow on.
I mean the truth still remains that he is bad at writing, Sakura is proof for that...
@@Ellen_Musik Hes always said hes had a hard time writing female characters, that doesn't make him an overall bad writer.
@@Ellen_Musikso you juste ignored all the incredible characters that he made itachi jiraya madara Naruto obito pain minato ……..and just focused on sakura lol
@@oumsd9073 so you think he is just sexist? 🤔
Same thing happened to George Lucas, the og trilogy was so good, that for the next they just let him do whatever he wanted, no questions asked, no changes made.
It didn't work as they thought it would.
The editor is the real writer of Naruto💀
Damn I don't even watch naruto
Bro was ghost writing at that point
@@monotromatic2951 simple recommend that Naruto have a rival = ghost writing ingoring kishimoto had to build and write that character from the ground up this the equivalent of saying kishimoto ghost wrote op when oda got inspired by partial expansions jutsu y’all are unserious
@@brianmcmanus5126 Relax bro it was just a joke
Sounds more like Kishimoto wanted to write a talking animal story with a tone similar to early DragonBall, but the editor said no.
I'd probably lack creative motivation as well if the editors shot down the idea I spent years developing
"Where did you learn that jutsu!?"
"I made it the fuck up."
It would be cosplayers and lore fans hell
I wonder what will happen to wiki if it comes true
**SENATOR ARMSTRONG INTENSIFIES**
@@manitshukla568LET YOUR COUNTRY CONTROL YOUR SOUL
I mean technically speaking Kakashi did accidentally create the Chidori when he tried to add lightning Chacra nature to the Resangan
TenTen is a character. That’s all the proof we need. The most “what the fuck do you even do” character in all of manga.
Explicitly only exists to round out Gai's team
@@MurasakiTsukimaru I swear the only thing i remember of TenTen is her fighting her clone at the start of naruto shippuden and she just doesnt exist for the rest of shippuden
@@seikuo36 Things she does in the manga: Pretends to be weak before chuunin exams start. Stands around while Lee or Neji do things. Gets offscreened by Temari. Fought her clone. Told off Kiba for insulting Ino for being upset Sasuke was finally being treated like the traitor he is. Picked up one of those Rikudo Sennin weapons, instantly passed out from trying to use it. And finally, had a dream world where Gai and Lee were cool (perhaps the most insulting of the women's ideal worlds, since at least the others revolving around men were women who had crushes/love interests).
I actually really like her skill design revolving around using items. But too bad she got shafted like 99.99999 percent of the story.
@@Septemberusye bro ninja tools not gettin you nowhere not in that era, not in any era
I wonder where the idea that a creative made every single aspect of their show, came from. I don’t think this makes the author a bad writer. If anything it makes him a better creative to take suggestions and make them blossom.
100%. Take one piece for example. When the sabaody arc was being released the editor suggested oda adds more characters to add some tension/action. In a week oda came up with the supernova. Law ended up becoming one of the most important side characters and he wouldn't of even existed if it wasn't for that suggestion.
The authors are the creatives, while the editors are responsible for making things marketable.
I do feel editors need more of a recognition.
Yeah, basically editors are the sculptors.
They shape the art
I feel like Many of the Wokeness in the West is due to Editors too scared to Criticize terrible writing.
THAN WHAT THE HELL JUJUTSU KAISENS EDITOR DOING
what? idk man
the editor made kishimoto change Naruto from a story of animals to a story of humans
then he helped kishimotos named the jutsus
and he added in sasuke
idk man I think these 3 points alone makes it thoroughly obvious that the editor did way more than sculpting an existing story
he pretty much erased and made each of kishimotos idea 100x better
@@Shino9Kexcept half of that is isn't true you people don't know your stuff that was kishimoto's ideas
"What was Naruto going to be before"
A chibi fox spirit who messed with people through magic
Kind of want to see that show
i'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a Ramen manga before a ninja story 😂
@@desuyodesuyo60nah it was said Naruto was originally supposed to be the original Nine tailed foxes child
Expect shouting Sa....su.....ke everything 😂
@@dorujitsuerinthng7431 but Sasuke wouldn't have existed if the editor didn't force Kishimoto to add him
In Kishimoto's defense he had to put out chapters weekly. If he was allowed more time to think about the possible directions the story could go, and think about the other characters he was forced to forget about while focused on the main characters and big picture. Given more time he probably could have done a lot better.
People don't understand how difficult writing can be until they try. Add in a really short time frame and anyone would start to choke with the amount of characters and things going on in Naruto. Given the circumstances I think he actuallly managed to do okay; and wrap up the main plot (Naruto & Sasuke) in a pretty satisfying way.
The whole Kaguya thing lost me. I was more into Bleach back in the day, but Naruto wasn’t bad…er, until that twist.
bruh, did u not watch the video? the editor being the true good writer of the manga is not the norm for mangaka. kishimoto just doesn't know how to write
@@alexanderfate8447 So you’re telling me that his editor made suggestions that completely changed the landscape of the entire story, adding in characters and plot points, changing his entire vision for the series making it nearly unrecognizable and….he wrote one of the best selling manga in the world that is STILL ongoing and successful? Heralded for some of the best character development, some of the best fights and some of the most fleshed out lore in a series up to that point? You’re right, what an awful writer lmaooo
People think kishimotos a bad writer for not writing complete arcs for background characters that are just backdrops, every series has them, your favorite series has them, kishimoto isn't a bad writer
@@alexanderfate8447you didn't watch the video stupid. The editor didn't write sasuke, he gave him the concept for the character for which kishimoto wrote as the dueterotagonist. Kishi haters straight up making shit up now 😂
at the end of the day, it’s an amazing story.
I read that the chunin exams were also the editors' idea, which is probably the best arc in og naruto
Lee vs Gara in the chunin exams is hands down the best fight in og Naruto no question
Nah Sasuke retrieval is peak
@@xanidydexidy YES sasuke retrieval is literally the best arc in Naruto and one of the best in all shonen
Yes, the chunin exams was the editor Idea, but plan was only do a tournament arc, only because was popular. Kishimoto that did all the exams, and the characters.
I'll be honest i didn't enjoy the chunin exams as much as everyone did. It could've been shorter
"What the hell was Naruto gonna be about before they added Sasuke." That got me💀
ANYTHING ELSE would have been aces.
Becoming Hokage......duh
@@valenschristianyosuayeah he would've trained some, defeat some rogue bandits and become hokage
_end of story_
There wasn't going to be a Naruto Shippuden. If I recall correctly
@@abhinavg-----9434Or, just go on a story that wasn't vaguely a onesided homoerotic pursuit.
The editor acting like a teacher, leaving notes on ur essay
Isn't that what they're paid to do
A good writer accepts feedback and adapts accordingly.
The original story was of a Kitsune named Naruto who used his shapeshifter powers to cause trouble and pull pranks around a village before maturing and growing as a person
Yeah, originally, Naruto was supposed to BE Kurama, an incarnation of him, instead of Kurama simply being sealed in him as a different entity. This explains why he was outcast and the glaring plot hole of him being treated badly despite being the hokage's son and a valued jinchuriki. Now we just meme about the 3rd being a bad caretaker.
@@sor3999Naruto was initially meant to be Kurama's son.
Make sense and yeah he was treated too badly for being a Hokage son that literally a hero's son who saved the village. It's very strange and make everyone in Konoha seems like a jerk in early Naruto.
And the og will remember that naruto was originally gonna be about wizard
Judging from the fact that OP included some concept art and panels from the "original draft" of the manga (if that's the correct term), I think he knew what Naruto was originally about before he asked.
Imagine a world where we got Kishimoto's original Naruto.
A fox Naruto running around pulling jutsu out of thin air on his quest to become village leader.
I mean, I can see it as a decent gag-manga. It's just Kishimoto wouldn't pull this off if he actually had the chance for that. It takes a a guy who knows comedic timing way better than him. Like Sorachi Hideaki, for example.
It would then be called the Big 2 instead of the Big 3
So basically a Sonic video game but with ninjas
@redflame5366 it would still be the big three it would most likely just be gintama instead or hunterxhunter
@@Arkosano Funny thing is... I actually thought about that, but I don't think gintama would easily capture the same spot as a Naruto replacement. Even though I'm a massive fan and consider Gintama the greatest out of the Big-3 generation battle shounens, there's no way it could be as big in the west, as Naruto's become. In Japan no problem, but the west wasn't ready yet for this type of show. It's like mixing Freakazoid and BTAS in one essence, localiser would have no idea how to sell it to a north-american kid. The other shows had the appeal and recognizable themes: pirates were thriving in the 2000's, Ninjas were still all the rage. Hell, even Bleach has the whole high-school angle at the start and a kid with a family from our world. Gintama is... Not very marketable as a title for the west. An alternative period action-parody about the mid 19th century Japan, being colonized by aliens instead of Yankees? Nobody's gonna watch that, even if they put it at Adult Swim. It's way too japanese for the time, i'm afraid. Even then it would show up on TVs way too late to become the same impactmaker as the OG big three.
Kishimoto: my manga
Editor: OUR MANGA 🐰
Dude I think that is the job of the editor 😂 the editor did not write the entire anime thought of the plot but he gave recommendations as his job is, if mangakas didn’t fuck up some aspects of their stories editors would be out of a job!
Ngl the editors @ shonen jump know their shit, they saved many of our favorite stories
Promised Neverland chapters only managed to get sent in to the office after the editor went out for a smoke and got locked outside.
Editors are often times unsung heroes of many of the stories we love, and more often than not take the blame for things we don't like.
Nah, from what I heard they mess up a lot too...
@@Jaydavid25.depends on teh individual
@@ggwp638BC Eh. They can be both good and bad. Apparently, Kishimoto originally after land of waves wanted a mission based arc for team 7 but his editors suggested a tournament based one since Hunter x Hunter also did one, and then we got the chunin exams, the arc where the side characters were only relevant and had good and bad things
That’s why editors exist. They are the second opinion to the authors’ ideas and the ones who suggests the changes, for the better or worse, a lot of series might have ended up different without them :v
most editors do not create the major plot points of a story , that is called being a writer.
@@Daicidusyeah that's not how it works and manga considering multiple very popular mangaka's editors came up with major plot points. Hell the Android and Cell saga's would have been completely different if it weren't for the editors; the entirety of dragon Ball would actually be different considering they made toriyama change the tone from less comedy to more serious and action-packed.
@@Daicidus They aren’t. Their role is to give their opinions about the authors’ ideas, and to suggest changes for the better of the story. Just have to look at Dragon Ball or One Piece, characters would have never existed and events might have ended up differently if it wasn’t for their editors.
Android 17 & 18, and Cell with his transformations weren’t part of Toriyama’s plan, not until his editor from that time suggested to keep adding new characters/transformations until he was satisfied, which might have changed Trunks’ flashback story. Then for One Piece, the introduction of the Supernovas was the editor’s idea and not Oda, the reason being that he wanted more things to happen during Sabaody arc.
That's why editors exist They are the second opinion to the author's ideas and suggest changes for better or worse a lot of the series might have ended up different
@@DaicidusThey’re a part in that too. Look at Dragon Ball. An editor is the main reason why the Cell Saga is what it is. Without that editor we wouldn’t have gotten Android 17 and 18, we also wouldn’t have gotten cell and I think his forms too.
This is inspiring and reassuring as a writer. You don't gotta be good to connect to others and be great. Keep telling stories.
On the other hand, iirc, Kishimoto got a different editor around the Pain Arc I think it was? And it shows as the series begins to spiral until we get "Hey, remember how chakra is inherent in all living things and running out will kill you? Well actually, it's because a goddamn alien ate a fruit and everyone got chakra because of her sons sealing her in the moon." Or you know, Naruto hyping the dude who murdered his parents, and Neji, and tens of thousands of people in the last few hours.
Even if Sasuke is 80% of the story like you said, the editor just suggest giving Naruto a rival. I'm not surprised if Kishimoto just clicks and he just snowball from there
You got it
Thats how it works, the editor is the necessary second opinion a mangaka should have or to give him guidance, like giving Naruto a rival (Sasuke).
Similar story with Toriyama and how Cell and android 17 and 18 came to life after his editor didn't like dr Gero and and android 19 design (and later he didn't like 17 and 18 lol)
The chunin exams were ALSO a editor's note. You REALLY think Sasuke's haphazard story line wasnt written on the fly by a handful of editors? It literally read that way back in 2015 when I read it😂 I always knew that two different people were writing certain ppl. The motivations flipflop ALL THE TIME
@@Hi_My_Names_Ryan yeah, I have to admit, it was shocking how things escalated so suddenly and so fast after 2 to 3 volumes of Naruto. The side plot literally got out of hand and snowballed into a necessary sequel 😂
@@elektra8535the editor didn’t suggest sasuke he just suggested a rival
Same for Toriyama's editor, he pretty much saved dragonball every other week
Toriyama: So the next villains are going to be a pair of robots, what do you think?
Editor: Lmao, no. Nobody wants an old geezer and fat guy to be taken seriously.
Toriyama: Ok, I'll keep those two, but these new robotic cyborgs will play the lead role of the villains instead.
Editor: Lmao, no. Those are just some brats. Give us more.
Toriyama: Fine, this is the real villain. He needs to absorb the last pair I showed you to transform into his final form. Here's what I got for his designs, I'm very proud of the last one.
Editor: Finally, a character worthy of being the villain, except that last form is God awful, it's hideous even, add a third form I beg of you!
Toriyama: THERE, I FIXED IT! Anything else???
Editor: Nope, all good.
@@ncrveteranranger4454and it was peak.
@@ncrveteranranger4454So that's why Dragon ball's writing is all like that?
@@d.n5287 aye, that it was
@@javxion6576 correct
What's more important? Coming up with an idea? Or executing the idea?
People don't understand how important a good editor is
Every mangaka has an editor that gives them ideas for the story
Yea, Oda's assistant was the one who suggested adding more to Sabaody, which resulted in The Supernovas.
And Toriyama's editor famously kept pushing him to change the villains for the Cell Saga. All the way from Gero to Perfect Cell.
Yes but in some cases the editors are the ones who cause the series to fall apart
Yea but not everyone is as impactful as kishimoto's editor
@@kylehearnden4562my memory of op is foggy but is the supernova one of the niggas luffy cracked back into the manga panel 😂
Okay, but one piece while not being as good would still be a great story if oda wrote it himself. If kishimoto wrote Naruto by himself, we’d have a bland repetitive story where there was no goal, rival or even other notable clans and it Naruto would be an unlikeable jackass til the end of the manga.
The best thing about Kishimoto- Using folklores and mythology in the stories
The worst thing about Kishimoto-
Writing Female characters
@hemantjain2387yea , dragon ball , bleach , heck even one piece some times
What do you mean female characters
@@crackbane1330I mean, Sakura is universally hated for being written as a crazy love-sick fool. She’s supposed to be as important as Naruto and Sasuke as the third member of their team but she gets basically no development compared to them. And, the amount of good female characters is heavily outweighed by the amount of good male characters. I’m not saying that there are no good female characters, just a few. When you think of female Naruto characters, few come to mind and fewer are well written. Consider the senseis. Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, and Kurenai. Those three male characters got their moments to shine and be cool. Kurenai got one fight against an opponent that her greatest strength was weak against then was just pregnant and didn’t matter anymore. Again there are well written female characters, but damn is it hard to find them.
@@teathie8224 first of all how do you know she was meant to be more important that's like sayin leorio (hunter hunter ) was supposed to be more important, the author is telling a story not telling sasuke's , sakura's or kakashi's story , he gets to chose who he wants to focus on . And also the argument that there are more males of females , what did you want 50/50 , equal amounts ?
@@teathie8224... Isn't the shonen for young boys not girls.
Dude's Naruto fr. Made it in the end, respect.
Patch notes release 1.0
- added a second protagonist
People forget that the editors usually make the story work… like Toriyama hated his editors but that’s how we got Cell …
My face when I spread misinformation
From what I remember, it was the jump magazine that forced Toriyama to create cell (Probably through the editors)
I love spreading misinformation on the internet
And 17 and 18
19 and 20 were supposed to be the real androids they fought and lost to.
Editors whined about it and that's how we got 17 and 18
@@ShadowSkyX yeah, I mean we got one of the greatest arcs ever cause of it, but I'm sure Toriyama hated it 😭😭
He might have added sasuke because of the editor but that doesnt mean that sasuke was written by the editor
Honestly if he had been he'd probably have turned out at least 50x more interesting. Sasuke is just kinda.... well, I'll just say he's got more plot armor than the rest of the characters combined and he's still boring
You can tell bc the character fucking sucks
@@emptyblack4620Bro, Naruto literally has a nine tailed fox in him who is supposed to be more powerful than all the tails combined (like whenever it felt like Naruto was losing, kurama came in and it was something new always) and not to mention his Talk no jutsu. Like how can anyone have more plot armor than that ? At least Sasuke had skills as a ninja to back it up
@@shivanim1158 The man literally died to killer Bee TWICE in one fight, and has never won a fight with out the win being handed to him. Bee beat his ass, Itachi basically killed himself, Naruto wasn't trying to kill him in the first valley of the end fight or Sasuke would have just died, he got his ass saved from Garra, the list goes on. I think the only fight he may have won on his own was against an almost dead Orochimaru, and honestly I'm not sure that counts.
@@emptyblack4620 And you think Naruto has ever won a fight without Kurama or talk no jutsu? Or wait an ass pull ?
This is how editors work, they help filter the ideas of the writer into something cohesive and engageing to the audience
all I know is that he can design some really cool looking characters
"Ideas are cheap, execution is everything."
Kishimoto is genius to make that idea a flesh and blood character.
Thats got good qoute. Did u get it from anyone?
How are you supposed to execute a plan If you don’t have plan?
um actually its a drawing and drawings dont have flesh and blood.
@@coopergriggs2771also good counter. At the end of the day its just a quote
@@coopergriggs2771... The idea the editor gave to Kishimoto *was* the plan.
It’s like the creator of Batman (Bob Kane) who wanted to make Batman a blonde man wearing red shirt & bat wings, but the writer (Bill Finger) changed Batman to wear grey suit, black cowl & cape in the final design. Bill Finger even added the batmobile, batcave, Batman’s gadgets, Alfred, Joker, Robin etc.
He's still a good writer, no matter how different things were in development, he still wrote the story lol
Show name : Naruto ❌
Show name : Finding saskue ✅
Im only on season 6 but they were chasing sasuke before after the chunin exams, ino and sakura and I guess a lot of the girls were chasing after him, and then they had to chase him cuz of orochimaru guys 4 quadejeujwnh
Kishimotos biggest flaw was his short sight, he didnt look too far ahead of what he was currently working on, and unlike oda who not only looked ahead but also made sure future chapters were consistent with the past
Oda is known for making shit up on the spot, such as the super novas, zoros backstory, THRILLER BARK, Baroque works, Enel and every single devil fruit up until punk hazard, where he implies in an sbs that he had thought of ONE name for a fruit, the magnet fruit, but he states multiple times throughout part one that he just makes up the names and sometimes the abilities, bro oda is easily the worst offender of this, great writer, but Manga is not a medium that encourages planning out arcs, that's how you get flat arcs, the only arcs I can prove he planned is enies lobby and since that's the best arc in the series, it's probably what he should have been planning.
He took a break to find out what the one piece actually is recently 💀
@levighoul1710 that was a joke, authors can just take breaks yk
Is Oda the best comparison here. He's probably more short sighted than Kishimoto lmao.
lies, and using oda to compare here is just funny
Kishimoto is definitely a good writer considering the fact that he wrote the thing, but you also have to understand that in WSJ the editor acts as a direct collaborator and can dictate elements of the story and where it's going to go. This only looks bad because Kishimoto outright told you the suggestions of the editor, but I can guarantee you the case is the same for every WSJ manga.
He is a good writer, he's just not a consistent one.
WSJ? Wall Street Journal?
He is a consistent one@@chargemankent
@@chargemankentwriting a weekly manga is not easy( e.g he wrote kakazu vs kakashi in hospital thats why it was rushed).I suspect he was burnt out by the end snd just wanted to finish the manga and give it a satisfying ending(more than which can be said for hxh unfortunately)
@@ShatteredGlass916weekly shonen jump idontevenknow;;;;
I'm so glad they made Haku into a trap instead of a bear.
Editor in most mangas: Does their job
Communities: BOOO BAD AUTHOR
I just wanna clear it out, kishimoto wrote everything about sasuke, we dont exactly know what they meant by the jutsu statement, which i mean isnt that weird since its basically magic
You mean op toxic community shtting on naruto everyday is their daily quota. They love pissing off naruto community for em to feel superior. and to go down this low by slandering kishimoto's finest work. 😢 Pure disrespect.
But I mean Naruto wouldn't be Naruto without Sasuke
@@xgshwiainr this video is misleading. the editor did not come up with sasuke. kishimoto still wrote and came up with sasuke's character on his own, it was just the editor letting him know a rival to naruto would be good.
@kasunova151 still, the fact that he was in the drawing phase in his manga and the editor had to suggest to add the second most important character in naruto is crazy. at that point it's no longer editing, it's drafting.
@@ImNotEpix genuine question: how much input is normal from an editor in a shonen jump manga, especially for new authors? On its face it sounds like a big deal, but is pitching/suggesting large changes to story and character dynamics that outside the normal constraints of the industry?
Damn, writers can’t even have editors now🙏🏼
Yah but a editor that dose the work to make your story readible lol nice try naruto fan boy
Adding sasuke is crazy tho 😂
What are you yappin about luh boy??🤨
@@Dannnyyyyyyu brother is talking about writers while saying “dose” not “does“
@@Dannnyyyyyyuit might come as a shock but that happens with a LOT of editors
Naruto "hard work beats talent" shippuden "I'm the reincarnation of jesus"
Naruto's writer definitely rode the short bus to school
A good editor brings out the best in writers. Sounds like excellent collaboration, teamwork and trust to me.
He might not be a great writer but he is a good author as he listened to his editor when it mattered the most.
May be it would have been better without the editor
*pov:the editor retired before boruto came out*
Kishimoto has stated several times that "he's growing as a writer." There were plenty of changes made by his editor, but he still had to come up with the villains' backstories, fight scene choreography, and emotion in the story. Also, this is a very common thing with editors in the manga industry. Originally Toriyama wanted to have Dr. Gero and Android 19 as the main villains for the Cell Saga. But he got corrected by his editor so Toriyama changed it to #17 and #18. His editor said "These are just two random f#cking teenagers." So that's when Toriyama came up with the idea for Cell. Also Toriyama wanted Cell's 2nd form to be his final form, but his editor suggested to give Cell a third form. That's why the Cell saga is so f#cking long *LMAO*
Yeah he's grown so much stealing from others works like JoJo, mgs peace walker, hxh, one piece raizo
@@taepyeoon8245influenced or actual stolen?
The villains hard carried the entire story. Naruto fell short where it counted most imo. He had no answer to any of his opposition. Kishi gave naruto nothing to show for all of his hardship and growth outside of power ups. Think about it. What great quotes does naruto have....now do the villains. Lelouch had answers to these types of antagonists. Just swap charles for madara and schneizel with pain. Lelouchs responses to them in ther final confrontations aren't even complex....naruto should have easily reached the same conclusions through his experiences and what he's seen from others....but we got nothing.
@taepyeoon8245 bro I don't understand what you are try to say,
raizo, that guy from one piece who was completely based off of Naruto?, NARUTO was made 10 years before the introduction of raizo, its just oda wanted to take reference from his friend kishimoto
Hxh, he took inspiration from ONE of the manga panels of hxh, many writers take reference from one another
JOJO??? you mean that main character guy hair is yellow, and Naruto's hair is also yellow, is that what you mean by stealing???
Grown as a writer? The story got worse all the way till Boruto.
I mean the female characters are proof. Not saying hes a bad writer but he needs work
I mean why didn't the editor do anything about that? If the editor gets the succes he should get the failures too
@ricky18redblack31 I used to think just like you then I saw how well black clover handled the female characters which is still unmatched and wished Sakura was the same
@@redninja3056I mean is the success of Naruto even comparable with black clover, objectively speaking?
@vinlolship3308 lol no but literally everyone knows black clover has way better female characters then naruto
@@redninja3056 my point is that the formula Naruto used was conducive to its success given the similarities between the two.
Naruto was my childhood show
You now convinced me my childhood was a lie 😂
I can't even imagine what the original ending was then
I’m not much of a Naruto fan, but the side characters are so interesting with their abilities and potential, I wish kishimoto fit them in nore
Me too. I think one of the things that could have been done better was using them more. They had a lot of wasted potential, but I don't blame Kishimoto for that though.
The man had to put out chapters weekly; and was likely scrambling while trying to focus on the big picture, and the main characters. He probably should have been allowed a hiatus so he could focus on just planning for awhile. Given time he could have planned separate arcs for his other characters that would have allowed them to do and be more.
tbh so many side characters, just discarded.
Kimimaro was the only member from his clan..and he just showed up and just..dies.
Rock lee was not used to the best of his abilities after the chunin exam arc.
Mei Terumi is quite frankly an anomaly among shinobi, yet she isn't expanded on...at all.
Tsunade is written soo badly despite arguably being the best sannin(just my opinion).
Orochimaru deserved much more recognition. His villain arc felt weak.
Kaguya's entry and Naruto and sasuke being hagoromo's sons was a very abrupt revelation. It should have been foreshadowed. Same for Itachi's truth.
problem with Kishimoto is that he just had to give every single cool jutsu to the Uchiha. the Tsukiyomi was already cool enough to be the default Mangekyo Sharingan ability but nah they also had to have inextinguishable fires, teleportation, literally rewriting reality, etc. those abilities could've been given to side characters
@@apoorvjoshi2383 Stop crying. A character isn't wasted cus YOU wanted to see more from them. All the names mentioned played the role the author wanted them to.
@@apoorvjoshi2383 Rock Lee got expanded and was meant to die before part 2, but he stayed alive because of popularity. Kishimoto never had plans for him beyond the retrieval arc, and I'm glad he kept it that way. What's actually bad about Tsunade's writing?
Orochimaru killed 2 kages, almost destroyed the leaf and got his hands on the 'last' Uchiha. He had people like Kakashi trembling in his presence, rattled Naruto to the core, so how did his villain arc feel weak?
Naruto Sasuke carrying a cycle had been hinted before shippuden you just didn't see it. The Itachi's one is down to opinion but having rewatched the anime Itachi motive for killing his clans felt like some BS, so I think he was always meant to have a reveal.
Without Kishimoto we wouldn't have gotten the most clipped anime speeches of all time. To this day I still see Naruto speeches more than anything else.
Why? Friendship speeches are in every anime
Naruto has great speeches but Erwin's Speech might have been more clipped than any single speech of Naruto.
@@ayushborkar8089Nah there is just one two speech from Aot including the Eren one but in Naruto a good amount of characters has given some of the greatest speeches
Like the Speech of Madara about the accursed world, Pains speech about the cycle of hatred, Itachi's speech about a perfect being and many more
And each one of them is more famous than Eren's speech
@@user-wc6qx3zw4xthose edgy speeches suck. They are basically a 13 year old's edgy views of the world. There is little substance in any of those speeches you named, just coping with their crappy decisions, except for Itachi. The Rock Lee and Might Guy speech is mt favorite tho.
@@gitarooman2995 you really said "except for Itachi"
The editor’s a real hero
Never let bro cook again 💀
Wow an editor helped a manga artist. Incredible and I'm guessing the editor made the characters so enjoyable made Sasuke and Itachi such good characters and made Naruto the phenomenon it is.
Partially, yeah. The series would've totally collapsed at many points without him. Including the beginning.
That doesn't mean he's a bad writer...
The fact that he was willing to listen to advice from a more experienced editor is proof he's a good writer.
And yes, there were plot holes...
But some of them were necessary (Hiruzen is a huge one; a good grandfather AND neglectful at the same time) for the sake of the story to work.
And in the end, it was a manga being pumped out weekly...
But he actually did everything quite well and wrote a great story that touched millions...
Being able to listen to others doesn't apply only in writing it can also be applied to life. Id say hes a good person but not a good writer.
Being a good grandfather get neglectful is not a plothole, can you guess how many times that has happened in our world?
There little to no plot holes in the series but I agree with the rest
@@jin4712 little to no plotholes?
@@IlIllIIIlll Yeah. Nearly all, if not all, are explained within the series or were never plot holes to begin with. Not many people know what a plot hole actually is. The “plot hole” op stated is a perfect example of.
Originally, Naruto was about ninja making ramen noodles.
Then the idea of ninja village got some spot light and we have this 👍
Never really thought of Naruto as a masterpiece.
The editor also ruined some things. Like them not letting kishimoto kill of neji.during the Sasuke retrieval arc. I feel like it would've been good for naruto and Hinata relationship and character development. Plus there is a lot of Naruto fans who hate Sasuke and most of them Sasuke haters thought naruto would be better off without Sasuke, and it's pretty funny when you realize Sasuke was kishimoto's favorite character.
If it was not editor
Then there would not have been sasuke only
And the entire shippuden was just
"Sauske come back😭"💀🏳️
I feel like the minute they made his story about defying fate, they should have kept him alive to prove he isn’t bound by fate when he dies it proves he was right
Sasuke was never kishimoto's favorite character 😂 wtf are you talking about
@@randomboys1000 this has actually been stated by him like- several times
@@mrcat4508 true that would've better, but that's what happens when you only have a week but unlike most mangaka kishimoto has a editor who make him change this so kishimoto technically has less than a week to complete a chapter
I'd actually be curious what Naruto would be like without Sasuke. Like a Naruto that didn't chase Sasuke all over the place and instead delved more deeply into other aspects on the show and the main plot with the Akatsuki and all that. It could be interesting if done right
They need to recreate Naruto like the OG without super powered ninja aliens bs
The only arcs where naruto is actively chasing after Sasuke were the Sasuke retrieval and the Tenkaichi bridge arc
@@valenschristianyosua that's true, but Naruto trying to get Sasuke back was a major plot point in Naruto. It was his motivation of a lot of his actions
@@sherlock13holmes Not really, most of his actions is motivated by protecting his village and friends. Rescuing Gaara, Helping Shikamaru, Saving the village from pain, Helping in the war. None of these has anything to do with bringing Sasuke back. It only felt like a lot due to the memes
@@valenschristianyosua I'll agree to disagree
Naruto shippuden ❌
Finding Sasuke ✅
The Naruto one shot was about Naruto making one friend.
That's the job of an editor.. To edit down the most crazy ideas the writer has.... Kishimoto may not have the crazy twist and turns Isayama has and not a grand story like Oda... But no one tackles human emotions better than Kishimoto. Naruto ain't the best story ever written but the weight of emotions it made feel is insane
No one tackles human emotions better than kishimoto? Mate what the actual fuck are u smoking. His writing is no way near that level of praise, no even in the wildest dream bruh 💀
Bro i can name some romance mangas with more emotions than naruto like bro both the mangas you named have more emotions than naruto
@@sextondickerson9911Jiraya death holds more emotions than ace death. Shit wb death held more weight but carry on
@hemantjain2387Outside of big three maybe someone like Togashi can rival him but within big three no can rival him when it comes to Emotions
Dude absolute cap. Naruto got real cheesy and dumb in Shippuden, ESPECIALLY after Pain. Every arc is "I have trauma and now I am a mass murdering war criminal." "Ay bruh I know how it feels, but you gotta stop for real... ✊️😔" "Oh ok."
It's not just a Kushimoto thing, manga editors have saved countless manga from being garbage. For example Goku's design was totally different until Toriyama's editor told him to change it.
I Stan monkey Goku
Gokus original design was just a take on the monkey king from myth….its not dogshit lol..
@omniken2494 and would've been a complete rip off if he didn't change it which does make it dogshit
@@redninja3056 not true. It would have been a anime version of the monkey king. Thats not a rip off nor does it make it dogshit XD your essentially calling the OG Journey to the west story dogshit
@omniken2494 yeah which would be a ripoff which is what makes it dog shit goku wouldn't have an iconic design he would just be known as that character that looks like sun wo Kong which would make the character design dogshit because it's a ripoff
I remember hearing somewhere that the original idea Kishimoto wanted was basically Dragon Ball meets Godzilla.
God bless this editor for that, thanks to him I have my son
“I’m convinced Kishimoto is a bad writer!”
proceeds to give no good examples? 😭
Honestly it really doesn’t need to be said. As a former Naruto fan looking back I cringe at some of the writing choices Kishi made 😅
@@markigirl2757 like?
@@SimplyMarkus if you have to ask you haven't seen it dawg
dude you are goyslopped
@@dominicpiovesan1715 I’ve read it twice, once recently. Stop dodging my question with dumbass statements like this, instead just answer my damn question 😭😭😭
He's not his editor thats his financial advisor 😅
Sounds like that editor should be credited big time lmao
If only Bleach had such an editor lool
Thanks for the editor out there for not only making Naruto but any other series becomes good
I want a sitcom about them being roommates lmao
The last one makes me think of Minato, dude went nuts with his crazy jutsu names
"Sasuke was added to your inventory. To view him, open Key Items inventory".
People don't seem to realize this, but Naruto was originally meant to be about a demon fox forced into human form living in a society. He loved pranking people with pitfalls, tinkering with his scooter, and didn't give a crap about people.
Most of those things were changed after the original Naruto oneshot came out and got picked up, but literal final hour stuff happened on the eve the first chapter of Naruto was going to print, where they changed Naruto from the demon fox to an unlicky youth made to be the host of the demon fox, so the Scroll of Forbidden Jutsu Naruto finds was originally the Scroll of Sealing, which locked away the demon fox's power. The people looking for blood had legitimate reason to be afraid of Naruto before the rewrite - demon fox geting back his power would be Game Over for them.
The more you know.
Kishimoto’s writing style is that of a fairy tale, very vague, yet uses that for awe inspiring. I personally don’t like this style, but you have to admit that Naruto told as a bed time story works so much better than most other anime told that way
What
@@omniken2494Basicaly writing style is similar to fairy tales’ (Grim Brothers for example)
I genuinely have no idea how you came to that conclusion 😅
You're on something good ngl you aint cooking shit
editor literally is why the retreival arc felt anti climactic
The only thing the editor couldn’t force Kishimoto to do was writing a good female character
Why do i feel like the editors for naruto are not the same for boruto
Borutos better than naruto😭
@@Myccicin no way shape or form. Boruto part 1 is worse than Naruto part 1, and y'all boruto fans were saying wait for part 2 and it's better but still worse than Shippuden(excluding war arc)
@@thelostwanderergames4287 boruto 2bv is so clear of 99% of naruto and im a naruto glazer😭
You are right. Editor change frequently. Oda had 10+
kishimoto wasn’t writing boruto until just before the time skip pretty much.
and boruto manga is actually readable now.
Naruto was literally the fox in the pilot. I read that one first and was so confused why it was completely different when I read the first chapter. At that point the only characters I knew were Naruto and the Hokage
He's one hell of an artist though
actually this just proves he a good writer, the feed back was just add a rivalry for the main character.
And name these differently.
He came up with how to do that himself
The resemblance of them being animals to a degree is still there.
Damn we almost had ninja Beastars.
Would've flopped.
@@tjthoma7295 yeah probably. Loved to see how well It would've done now, tho
Bakuman really opened my eyes to what making manga is like and how important editors are for the mangas. Very good read from death notes author highly recommend
Bro sadi make a rival he ain't give him the character 😂
I love Kishimoto's writing
My favorite part is from the Pain arc where he said, "What about my family, my village, my parents" 🥶
That editor is goated
i like the sensei being a animal idea seems cool
Imagine if western entertainment has competent editor like that instead the current "consultant"
I was always convinced that Kishimoto was just an idea guy, he could come up with some of the wildest things. He just wasnt very good at materializing is all. He needed a wing man to draw all that shit together. He was Naruto, he just needed his Sasuke.
and who was the editor💀
Didn't you know that every pro mangaka has one or more editors assigned to him by the publishing company they work for, and said editors are as much an asset as the mangaka themselves, if not more? Young mangaka paired with experienced editor, old mangaka paired with young editor, they grow together and learn new things together. You don't see their names on covers, but they effectively are co-authors of every good manga you've read.
The editor is the one who gave him the idea of a rival, kishimoto is the one who wrote saskue
Good writer always have good advisors
He saved us from minato's jutsu names.