I recommend casting Coldsnap before Tornado so you secure some extra stuns frames for the Meteor to land, this frames can sometimes be used by the victim to avoid a big chunk of the combo. Also there are basically 4 different ways to cast Deafening Blast after Tornado by changing the angle but mostly the timing you can make the Def Blast push the enemy Forwards ( without thinking, enemies taking about 80% max dmg out put, this will be affected by the enemy move speed ), Backwards ( if too early and you make them hit it with its tail ), Perfectly synced & aligned with the Meteor's rolling ( if still affected by Coldsnap, this will most likely be the case but you need to mind the timing ) or as a Cross section if u dont have access to Coldsnap and need to compensate for the enemies' most probable scape route.
he casts coldsnap after tornado but before the tornado projectile lands, meaning he gets more uptime from the coldsnap while still getting the first stun as soon as they land from the tornado.
@@miglehp4592 CS first tick secures obvious or forced tornados, else people can react with a force staff. What u are saying is good but it all depends on what u need to prioritize
This will less likely work if you dont have a friend that will help you lane and farm safer. Random people will outright refuse to help you lane or farm when you pick like that, because they rather believe youre throwing than believe that you are serious with your pick.
This was quite popular years ago, especially with the AC - Forge Spirit right click is underated, back then we used to build basilus just to strengthen the spirits, nice content as always!
@@amamamiamh1619 part of it is from "forfeit in captain mode only" so all pick or ranked, hostage in fountain farming and "comeback is real", not everyone likes sweaty ass games every single time believing there's a chance
I am a new player that joined 3 weeks ago, I can tell you about newcomer POV. - Game is toxic - Everyone is spamming annoying voice messages - Everyone inside is already quite experienced with the game and I got rekted most of the time - Why is there no vote based surrender like League? (Especially when DotA takes longer to end a game)
@sobbiess there is a mute option, which i find helpful to make my games less toxic. Also, i don't come across much toxicity, and i play in SEA. Just mute the noisy ones and play your game.
He is like the Ph. D of dota writing a paper about hero and skills. Intro, theory and example, evidence and conclusion. Win or lose, he proved it convincingly.
I did play invoker safe lane back then. It was on 1-4-4 build that has Madness and Crystalys, with Alacrity and Cold Snap to start team fight, you just right click stuff.
it could work if you have your support to stack for you, so you can take it with meteor and deafening blast. if you want to fight, you can buy Diffusal blade and use ghostwalk, it's fast bcs of Wex. Diffu > Meteor > Alacrity would be enough. You don't wanna use Cold snap bcs it's bad at lvl 1 Quas. you keep farming until you get gleipnir. After this everything is the same regular invoker.
I don't know who you are but your vids keep showing and I always click every single one of em. Not only you're entertaining to watch, you're actually very good at the game. +1 fan
I had very little success with your SF offlane idea, but im 2-0 so far with this build with most hero dmg both games. 500 games on invo is also helping ;D
@@datohleonggez bro the problem is, not every player has the same lvl of game skills you have to win these games XD But yeah I understand ure doing it for content. Im a fan!
long time fan here, datoleong have you tried boots of bearing? its perfect with certain matchup on invoker + synergy with forge spirit. You should check it out with enemies who likes to slow
So much fun seeing this type of invo again, last time i have a friend that play the exact playstype but still midlane, rushing sb, burize, bkb, skadi and AC, and cold snap alacrity is his friend, it was fun seeing him melting the opponents, just that us supports have to play all the fat heroes
Bei solchen Themen frage ich mich immer ob man nicht in der falschen Zeit geboren ist. Wir sind zu spät geboren um die unentdeckten Orte der Erde zu entdecken, aber zu früh geboren um das Weltall zu erkunden. In 1000 Jahren könnte die Venus bewohnbar sein oder in 100 Jahren vielleicht die erste Stadt auf dem Mars stehen. Doch mit Blick auf die Informatik denke ich, dass wir genau in der richtigen Zeit leben. Wir bekommen gerade hautnah die Technologiesierung unserer Erde mit. Und nicht nur das. Laut Prognosen werden wir miterleben, dass die Intelligenz von KI die der Menschen übertrumpfen wird. Wenn das nicht unglaublich spannend ist, weiß ich auch nicht weiter :D Wir leben nicht in der falschen Zeit, wir müssen einfach nach Genialität ausschau halten... Genialität, die wir zu häufig einfach mit Alltag verwechseln! Jede Zeit ist spannend!
my friend use to play invoker like this back in dota 1, he goes helm of dominator to bring cents and lifesteal then buriza for damage then cuirass and deso for armor melter
People will just straight throw or tilted when they see unfamiliar hero in some certain role. You will lose a lot. And thats not because hero is not good but the people are just too closed-minded.
that use to happen but recently i don't get many pubs cry about hero picks. mayb because a lot of heroes are slowly getting figured out to play differently, it becomes more accepting? idk
I remember using this a long time ago. I remember using Eul's to shore up the combo and give bonus move speed for regen. I tell people invoker can basically play any role. Noobs don't know.
i mean cool, but most times the hero doesnt shine by itself the build works cause you get tuskm legion and marci to buff you hard time, while pulling everyone's attention
@@datohleonggez Seen Topson playing that build as a right-click DPS similar to your style of play, but he went Brooch and Bloodthorn instead of the pure physical DPS like yours. Wondering if there is any difference
My firend had a similliar build, but instead of falcon blade, he just bought the sage mask, to THREE GLOVES OF HASTE, that turns into threads and midas
may i ask a genuine question? in this build, is witchblade not better? seems like this build wants to fight more as a carry rather than sitting on jungle farming? this video is very fun might try to improve my invo skills and try it out sometime.
witch blade is commonly seen on mid, my idea is the have lance eventually become pike for more mobility. then most items are build to carry late game. high physical burst can melt buildings/rosh and scale, the rest of the items are build to be really tanky so i can stand my ground and fight
when i play dota 1 using invoker, i just using alacrity coldsnap and forgespirit, and early item is midas dominator pt, coz dominator in dota 1 give 20damage and lifesteal
Invoker Attack Range/animation is nuts as well as the quas exort abuse. Ive seen ppl do this but it literally will not work in 4k lower due to the mentality of the trench goers.
datohleong ,i hope to see a '10 plays you missed at the TI 11 Finals' or something like that soon. I hope u read my comment as i really enjoy ur content.💕
Most top tier carry is by dealing right click damage, if invoker wants to be a carry must be relying on right click that’s true. Sometimes we see some top team pick pos1 without constant right click damage. Those are disgusting to watch no matter how much gold lead they get
OMG THANK YOU! O always have a fucking invoker in my team making my game hell, mid, sup 4,5, offlane, and now im going to have a fucking CARRY INVOKER, THANK YOU SIR
Wouldn't wraith band instead of null talisman also be an option(like depending who you lane against? i mean voker has already pretty decent rightclick damage, and the asp bonus and the armor from wb might be usefull for him if he has to sustain alot of physical damage harrass, especially against armor reduction, or controlled units or something. Just food for thought.
i tried before, wraith band right clicks are stronger but usually get run down when I don't have enough mana to fight back, 1 null usually gives enough mana for early fights.(I could ice wall + sunstrike + cold snap + forge + occasionally meteor) i compared both builds and having mana is more valuable than having slightly more attack speed/right clicks
@@datohleonggez I have given this some thought, and I think a reasonable goal is to have the enemy be so afraid of you that you can just hide in the trees/to the side of the lane and the enemy is to afraid to even pull aggro. I learnt that most of the time a slow is enough, because keeping enemies in acid longer is really strong. Your other hero needs to be somewhat tanky or you have to be very careful with them(venge/cm are strong but might die too quickly) A strong aghanim hero on your lane doesnt matter because chances are mid or carry will have a strong aghanim upgrade. You always want to get blink before aghanims since it allows you to stay relevant for a really long time. Basi + Mana boots into wraithpact is very playable although you might not get as many kills so it might not be as much fun(but still very fun) It doesn't really matter if the enemies have high armor, it only matters if they can avoid the stun.
Ive been doing this on turbo and i have 23 Winstreak on invo, the only thing different is I don't get ac, and my first item is a with blade before a lance.
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wait.. why is the link called datohleon 🤨
I wish you didn't promote this dogshit betting service that promotes people to be bad actors in games in order to win some money
when is the correct time to take talent?
can you make item and skill guide for this? like torte guide
I recommend casting Coldsnap before Tornado so you secure some extra stuns frames for the Meteor to land, this frames can sometimes be used by the victim to avoid a big chunk of the combo.
Also there are basically 4 different ways to cast Deafening Blast after Tornado by changing the angle but mostly the timing you can make the Def Blast push the enemy Forwards ( without thinking, enemies taking about 80% max dmg out put, this will be affected by the enemy move speed ), Backwards ( if too early and you make them hit it with its tail ), Perfectly synced & aligned with the Meteor's rolling ( if still affected by Coldsnap, this will most likely be the case but you need to mind the timing ) or as a Cross section if u dont have access to Coldsnap and need to compensate for the enemies' most probable scape route.
he casts coldsnap after tornado but before the tornado projectile lands, meaning he gets more uptime from the coldsnap while still getting the first stun as soon as they land from the tornado.
@@miglehp4592 CS first tick secures obvious or forced tornados, else people can react with a force staff.
What u are saying is good but it all depends on what u need to prioritize
Babe, wake up, datoh uploaded a new vid
Wake up, you dont have a girl
Literally me, from archon 5 to legend 5 almost ancient with sf build by dotaleong
@@ibrahimsalman5504 projecting much?
@@ibrahimsalman5504 Hahahaha 😂🤣
@@petkofuchalski9809 splash of reality
This will less likely work if you dont have a friend that will help you lane and farm safer. Random people will outright refuse to help you lane or farm when you pick like that, because they rather believe youre throwing than believe that you are serious with your pick.
then just play mid and pretend u are a drow mid
Man, I knew this was doable but it had to have a specific early build and behavior.
THANK YOU 💕
This was quite popular years ago, especially with the AC - Forge Spirit right click is underated, back then we used to build basilus just to strengthen the spirits, nice content as always!
forge spirits+necrobook+forcestaff
@@beoptimal8650 good old days, where invoker is a furion with spells
i played nearly exactly that item build on invoker 10 years ago back in dota 1 & only used forged spirits/meteor/alacrity & sometimes sunstrike😄
Don't forget the alacrity cold snap + MOM build. That shit was broken once upon a time
invoker's recent talents made him a beast at carrying
back in the day its bad, its only good now because of the changes and talents that amps his orbs.
@@yoink9148 invoker hitter build is so common back days 😅 you just need to set up with ghost walk and buy mom + bkb/orchid + cold snap + forge spirit
This type of voker was op since dota 1 days, when i also played ss+ fs + exort + alacrity and buriz + mom + ac..good old 10+ years old s**t
Wish more people played dota. This channel is underrated af
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Game is dying, not newcomer friendly as well, old player have that toxic mentality...
Unfortunately that'll kill people in long term
@@amamamiamh1619 part of it is from "forfeit in captain mode only" so all pick or ranked, hostage in fountain farming and "comeback is real", not everyone likes sweaty ass games every single time believing there's a chance
I am a new player that joined 3 weeks ago, I can tell you about newcomer POV.
- Game is toxic
- Everyone is spamming annoying voice messages
- Everyone inside is already quite experienced with the game and I got rekted most of the time
- Why is there no vote based surrender like League? (Especially when DotA takes longer to end a game)
@sobbiess there is a mute option, which i find helpful to make my games less toxic. Also, i don't come across much toxicity, and i play in SEA. Just mute the noisy ones and play your game.
He is like the Ph. D of dota writing a paper about hero and skills. Intro, theory and example, evidence and conclusion. Win or lose, he proved it convincingly.
this deserve more like
You know you make a good content when i only see your video popped on my feed and i already start smiling. Good job datoh!
haha yes, same here
awww
Ah yes, the good old invoker, magician on steroids.
You know something is wrong if you play in SEA but everyone are nice to you
ikr, i expect to hvae ppl flame me but most people trust me idk why
I did play invoker safe lane back then. It was on 1-4-4 build that has Madness and Crystalys, with Alacrity and Cold Snap to start team fight, you just right click stuff.
that's unlikely to work now, double forge too valuable 😅
it could work if you have your support to stack for you, so you can take it with meteor and deafening blast.
if you want to fight, you can buy Diffusal blade and use ghostwalk, it's fast bcs of Wex. Diffu > Meteor > Alacrity would be enough. You don't wanna use Cold snap bcs it's bad at lvl 1 Quas.
you keep farming until you get gleipnir. After this everything is the same regular invoker.
1-4-4 is not a good build, double forge will always be better not to mention cold snap with lvl 1 quas is too weak
Tat first pick got me 🤣🤣🔥 lucky u!!
this was made in herald unranked dont try yourself at home
I don't know who you are but your vids keep showing and I always click every single one of em.
Not only you're entertaining to watch, you're actually very good at the game.
+1 fan
I had to say I love your videos! they are super funny and helped me get from 2k to 4k mrr
thank god cuz most ppl will say they lose after using it haha
Imagine being 4k mmr lol your so bad noob 😊
I had very little success with your SF offlane idea, but im 2-0 so far with this build with most hero dmg both games. 500 games on invo is also helping ;D
Now im inspired to play pos1 invoker in my ranks and ruin my team’s day :)))) tnx for the content
nOOO its play to win! 😅
@@datohleonggez bro the problem is, not every player has the same lvl of game skills you have to win these games XD
But yeah I understand ure doing it for content. Im a fan!
1. Watch this video
2. Gets hype
3. Find match
4. Feed
5. Get reported
This is me every time DATOHLEONG post a new video.
U dont know how to play bruv
6. get out of low prio
7. watch next video
long time fan here, datoleong have you tried boots of bearing? its perfect with certain matchup on invoker + synergy with forge spirit. You should check it out with enemies who likes to slow
interesting idea
5:04 tide be like: heeey, be careful man!
This is how i play it first time, its morphling but simpler.. i was afraid to do it again due to the pubs expectation.
was looking for some tips on my void vs ember mid....that was like 6 vids ago. love your stuff m8. your videos i mean o.o;
So much fun seeing this type of invo again, last time i have a friend that play the exact playstype but still midlane, rushing sb, burize, bkb, skadi and AC, and cold snap alacrity is his friend, it was fun seeing him melting the opponents, just that us supports have to play all the fat heroes
You deserve way more than 95k subs dude.
Bei solchen Themen frage ich mich immer ob man nicht in der falschen Zeit geboren ist.
Wir sind zu spät geboren um die unentdeckten Orte der Erde zu entdecken, aber zu früh geboren um das Weltall zu erkunden. In 1000 Jahren könnte die Venus bewohnbar sein oder in 100 Jahren vielleicht die erste Stadt auf dem Mars stehen. Doch mit Blick auf die Informatik denke ich, dass wir genau in der richtigen Zeit leben.
Wir bekommen gerade hautnah die Technologiesierung unserer Erde mit. Und nicht nur das. Laut Prognosen werden wir miterleben, dass die Intelligenz von KI die der Menschen übertrumpfen wird. Wenn das nicht unglaublich spannend ist, weiß ich auch nicht weiter :D
Wir leben nicht in der falschen Zeit, wir müssen einfach nach Genialität ausschau halten... Genialität, die wir zu häufig einfach mit Alltag verwechseln!
Jede Zeit ist spannend!
thank god there are subtitles
10:40 that chess simp collab is crazy
my friend use to play invoker like this back in dota 1, he goes helm of dominator to bring cents and lifesteal then buriza for damage then cuirass and deso for armor melter
People will just straight throw or tilted when they see unfamiliar hero in some certain role.
You will lose a lot. And thats not because hero is not good but the people are just too closed-minded.
that use to happen but recently i don't get many pubs cry about hero picks. mayb because a lot of heroes are slowly getting figured out to play differently, it becomes more accepting? idk
Right click invoker is underrated. His physical attacks hurt so much with just the alacrity and forged spirits.
Wake up son, it's time for datohleong video
Just in time for that Invoker cache set, for me to start ruining ranked pubs
I remember using this a long time ago. I remember using Eul's to shore up the combo and give bonus move speed for regen. I tell people invoker can basically play any role. Noobs don't know.
10 games later
-2k behavior score
xd
imagine if Mask of madness doesnt silence the user like years ago, my calendar would go back to the first dota days lmao
this is a more advanced sf pos 1 and not as easy to pull off. Although just alacrity, forge spirits and cold snap can work in low pubs
yeah basically sf/drow but with spells
i mean cool, but most times the hero doesnt shine by itself
the build works cause you get tuskm legion and marci to buff you hard time, while pulling everyone's attention
This is crazy! ^^ Im gonna try this build rn
Was wondering why not Revenant's Brooch as well for invoker. Since it also deal damage and give slow for 4 secs
because i wanna build high physical burst + tank. can't get one shotted as a carry so most items are build to stand my ground and fight
@@datohleonggez Seen Topson playing that build as a right-click DPS similar to your style of play, but he went Brooch and Bloodthorn instead of the pure physical DPS like yours. Wondering if there is any difference
Datohleong wey is at revelation level, nota mere way.
i like to find new ways to play old heroes
My firend had a similliar build, but instead of falcon blade, he just bought the sage mask, to THREE GLOVES OF HASTE, that turns into threads and midas
that's not very tanky, safe lane voker are up against 2 heroes so need more health early
@@datohleonggez he still goes for sticks and null
i hal also being asking higher rank players why nobody use invo spells as utility not as main dmg deal.
Thank you for this.
7:58 when you wololoo enemy Tusk and is your side now...
may i ask a genuine question? in this build, is witchblade not better? seems like this build wants to fight more as a carry rather than sitting on jungle farming?
this video is very fun might try to improve my invo skills and try it out sometime.
witch blade is commonly seen on mid, my idea is the have lance eventually become pike for more mobility. then most items are build to carry late game. high physical burst can melt buildings/rosh and scale, the rest of the items are build to be really tanky so i can stand my ground and fight
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Instead of getting falcon get urn, similar mana regen and stats, but gives urn effect that combo with coldsnap.
Well thanks for this I just had my invoker go 0-8 as pos1 in my game :D
team dk/burning ran safelane invo back in the days, I don't know why it was never used in tournaments again
Finally I was getting bored playing invoker normally
Yea dude whenever I went into exort I always thought like it's a waste building into spell heavy items with all these right clicks
when i play dota 1 using invoker, i just using alacrity coldsnap and forgespirit, and early item is midas dominator pt, coz dominator in dota 1 give 20damage and lifesteal
You should revisit this now that invoker is universal this will probably be even stronger now.
Good guide on voker
Invoker Attack Range/animation is nuts as well as the quas exort abuse. Ive seen ppl do this but it literally will not work in 4k lower due to the mentality of the trench goers.
The only problem I have with many of your strats, is that I don´t play as well as you xD. Don´t think i can pull them of. Nice video though
datohleong ,i hope to see a '10 plays you missed at the TI 11 Finals' or something like that soon. I hope u read my comment as i really enjoy ur content.💕
Most top tier carry is by dealing right click damage, if invoker wants to be a carry must be relying on right click that’s true.
Sometimes we see some top team pick pos1 without constant right click damage. Those are disgusting to watch no matter how much gold lead they get
carry invoker have to be tanky too, cant afford to get 1 shotted
SEA players watching this:
Write that down, write that down!
last game was great one. I watched every single sec.
Consider changing datoh to dato'? Great vid
im not dato im datoh
Very entertaining to watch, just don't let my future teammates see this xD
Funnily enough valve decided to make him hit way harder so this become a mainstream build now.
OMG THANK YOU! O always have a fucking invoker in my team making my game hell, mid, sup 4,5, offlane, and now im going to have a fucking CARRY INVOKER, THANK YOU SIR
Wouldn't wraith band instead of null talisman also be an option(like depending who you lane against? i mean voker has already pretty decent rightclick damage, and the asp bonus and the armor from wb might be usefull for him if he has to sustain alot of physical damage harrass, especially against armor reduction, or controlled units or something. Just food for thought.
i tried before, wraith band right clicks are stronger but usually get run down when I don't have enough mana to fight back, 1 null usually gives enough mana for early fights.(I could ice wall + sunstrike + cold snap + forge + occasionally meteor) i compared both builds and having mana is more valuable than having slightly more attack speed/right clicks
@@datohleonggez Oh alright then, great build anyways :D I'd try it if i wouldn't have quit dota a few weeks ago haha
nice plays. commenting for the algorithm
this is dota 1 build for kar-el. but nice video , good explanation and good effort on finding higher damage compared to standard build invoker
I don't wonder invo pos1, he has crazy base damage in early game
can you make support alchemist work, maybe with 3 venge? Also carry/offlane maiden? her lvl2 is insanely strong!
ye i think support alche is possible
@@datohleonggez I have given this some thought, and I think a reasonable goal is to have the enemy be so afraid of you that you can just hide in the trees/to the side of the lane and the enemy is to afraid to even pull aggro.
I learnt that most of the time a slow is enough, because keeping enemies in acid longer is really strong. Your other hero needs to be somewhat tanky or you have to be very careful with them(venge/cm are strong but might die too quickly)
A strong aghanim hero on your lane doesnt matter because chances are mid or carry will have a strong aghanim upgrade.
You always want to get blink before aghanims since it allows you to stay relevant for a really long time.
Basi + Mana boots into wraithpact is very playable although you might not get as many kills so it might not be as much fun(but still very fun)
It doesn't really matter if the enemies have high armor, it only matters if they can avoid the stun.
Remind me the old auto attack invoker during Dota 1 era
Would adding wraith pact be a good move too?
not only invoker tho but any hero u can use core items just like dota 1
Step1: get proper teammates
Step2: find opponents that play like noobs and feed you early game
Right Click build is here..love it🤭
Still thanking for the meepo strat 💕 playing over a years. And now this 😈
That guy Granpa on earthshaker, met him a few times actually in SEA server, pretty bad player.
Anyway, good content.
Whats your take on witch blade? It provides mana att speed and works well with cold snap
Its just too bad i can't PLay Invoker XD ,Good play as always man
That's me in the video
I watched this for guilty pleasure.
i remember dota 1 AI invoker use manta and deso
Dude you are so good 🙂
ty
instead go for middas, u should try miracle invoker mjolnir build, its old but maybe works
you miss the desolator, im often used this kind of build AND YES wit this build i met am with black mail
*blade mail
Do you play pos 4 earth spirit?
Basically how to play invoker correctly to the injokers out there
I used to do this alacrity build with madness and malevolence. It was pretty nuts. Really high dmg. Glass cannon tho.
it was so good with bloodthorn
the start is actually true im like beyond godlike with a 10 kill streak but our team is still losing in kills and lost every lane
Great content, keep it up
Do meme in 11k mmr gme..u really the real content creator..I done subscribe
Okay here we go!!!
I remember Sumiya did right click build invo too..
i thought he buys orchid, not sure
@@datohleonggez I watched one of his streams and one of his followers suggested it to build right click invo. Freakin' good too
@@datohleonggez btw i watch also your videos alot to learn some MAGiC! 😁
New video. I like
Ive been doing this on turbo and i have 23 Winstreak on invo, the only thing different is I don't get ac, and my first item is a with blade before a lance.
this is good content ! xD
time to watch my team doing similar thing but with rapier feed
Very cool drow ranger build.
at 4:38 u also got bonus attack speed from drow ult right?
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