The Panzer Dragoon Remake is Disappointing
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2020
- With its strange aiming reticle that overlaps the Dragon model, loose & distracting animations, unfinished content, & a visual style that doesn't do the original justice...the remake of Panzer Dragoon is a bit of a disappointment.
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I feel like you could only complain about inverted controls if there wasn't an option to change them.
There are so many video games out there that don't let you change the controls I think all games you let you change the controls which is one thing that makes playing games on Steam so awesome because if you want to change the controls you just hit the home button
i think it's less of an issue and more of a weird design choice to have non-inverted as the default controls, i guess just makes me wonder if the people involved in the development had a good understanding of the genre.
Metroid Prime Trilogy’s Multiplayer won’t let me change option about A button to change B button to shoot (Wii remote). Only single-player can change.
@@GraekTarmikos Then just change it back, it has fucking NOTHING to do with wondering if the devs had a "good understanding of the genre".
JoeBluefox dude that Made me so Mad back then
It looks kind of cheap because, it is, for what I know the developers got the license from Sega and they are making the game by themselves, just like Shenmue 3 and Streets of Rage 4, it is not a big budget Sega game.
Sucks that only 1 out of 3 of those games are good :/
Streets of Rage looks great.
@@georgewilson7432 yeah it does! I was only using it as an example of a Sega game that was completely given to other developers
@@djbubblegum9975 Shenmue?
@@paperluigi6132 LMAO HEEEEEELL NO
Shenmue is hot garbage, I was talking about Streets of Rage 4 my boy
How do you call the ship generic in the remake but charming in the original? They are pretty much identical.
Glad someone had the same thoughts!
Nostalgia is a powerful drug.
Apparently it's because the original is more rustic, and even then I could say the same thing with the remake version, but just a bit more polished out to match with their standards of graphics.
y'all are crazy. old ship looks way better. new one looks like a kid's toy
So as someone who never played the original game and seeing this made me confused and after watching the video it seems incredibly nitpicky with the bouncing dragon looking like something that would be annoying but the rest just sounds like a review made by CinemaSins
I remember Cinemasins at its prime.
esco Tanner when was it at it’s prime exactly?
@@caydenlaffey2019 when they were finding continuity errors, like changing outfits on extras, and not finding plot holes.
Because it's not a review. He said several times that it's still a decent game but it fails to live up to the quality of the original. That's what this video is saying, he said from the start that there are better ways to play this game
It is a bit odd, the remake is pretty faithful but the dragon didn't bounce in the original. It's managable though, especially since you're supposed to replay many times and improve your skill. First time through, new players will probably die a lot.
I'm pretty familiar so I breezed through in less than an hour so I'm not sure if they've added any generous checkpoints, but I doubt it.
Other critcisms aside (the bouncing seems very annoying), the hell are you talking about when it comes to the reflections, Jon? The new game clearly has them, they're just more... diffused?
They are not there
Rubén GoMo Radioboy They are there! I’m visually disabled and I can still even see them!
They are there, you need to look harder
McBehrer Whoops I didn’t mean to say “impaled” Basically I can only really see out of my right eye.
They're there but they're very like not pronounced. Looking at the original they have this sorta very blatant and contrasting look with the water look. They're really a lot less noticeable and just not that pronounced or obvious in comparison. They're "there" but they dont really leave much of an impact visually vs everything else on the screen compared to the originals from what Im seeing.
Thumbnail: This ain't great...
Jon: "It's still a great game."
Yikes... Usually GameXplain is fine, though this is a bit of a blip.
he means the core gameplay of the original is still intact & still good, but this REMAKE of it is trash. the weak sound, the yellow tint on everything... do you understand now or no? the fact of the matter is, this was given to a low-tier unheard of developer & they didn't do a great job of maintaining the FEEL of the originals visuals. they changed it in ways that didn't make it better, it made it worse. sorry he didn't give it the 10/10 you wanted.
john doe I dunno dude, that could have been conveyed in the thumbnail still. Or just not put the line in the thumbnail at all. This comment is accurately pointing out the oxymoron here.
@john doe yellow tint? not existing another fanboy spotted.
I love it when people take 2 random phrases out of context and use that to make a point when in actuality you are saying nothing. Like how does this discredit what he's saying, he still thinks it's an unfaithful remake that doesn't live up to the original.
-There are reflections.
-The aiming reticule is in 3d, it's just rendered in a separate pass, presumably intentionally so that foreground objects don't obscure it.
-I consider this a rail shooter rather than a flight game, and I prefer non-inverted controls in rail shooters as you're primarily controling the reticule. Also, the option to change this isn't exactly hidden.
-I agree that the level design and colour palette change the game more than I'd like. It feels as though they're aligning the visuals more with Orta. I wonder if this is to create a more cohesive set of remakes.
-60fps would've been nice but 30fps is still an improvement over the original.
-The wings got in the way when aiming sideways on the original too.
no 60fps in 2020 is unforgivable
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 I would understand the 30 fps if this game didn't look like a mobile game
I mean, it literally is a mobile game, running on a mobile chipset from five years ago. Also many, many games run at 30fps; you're either completely uninformed or looking for a chance to talk about your PC.
Agree unfortunately with the comments, 60fps is achievable, especially if you're comparing to orta
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 Dude, like most games that are coming to the Switch in 2020 have 30fps. How can you say it's unacceptable when the fucking hardware didn't get anymore powerful than when for example, DOOM came out on Switch. That game was 30fps. And it was and is acceptable not because it's a "high" framerate but because it's a stable framerate.
I'd rather have a stable 30fps than a fluctuating 60fps.
I think the key difference here is just that the original game was a high budget, high tech graphical powerhouse for it's time, and this is clearly not that. It's a good-looking game but it does have a cheapness to it, it's clear that the same amount of budget wasn't put into this as the original. For sure these complaints are nitpicks, but I think when you're a HUGE fan of a game there's a tendency to be a bit nitpicky if it's remade. I'm sure this is still the easiest and best version to play, for the function of saving alone, but as a remake it seems to serve more of a service of making this game more accessible to the public than it does one-upping it's origin. I'd compare it to the Grandia remasters in this way, great games that are now easier to access and looking cleaner than ever, but still lacking the level of care that the originals received.
And as for the reflections, yes they are there in the remake but they're not as pronounced, the ones in the original are very noticeable and make the ocean look more real. The ocean in this remake kind of just looks like a muddy lake.
Not every remake has to be FF7R or Xenoblade Definitive Edition though
Yep pretty spot on.
This comment is better than the actual video
I agree with everything you're saying here, but if you own an Xbox One just getting Orta and unlocking the original is probably the best play in 2020.
@@BryanCorley I didn't know the original was in Orta, that's pretty cool. Unfortunately I don't have an Xbox One
Maybe the developer remakes panzer dragoon 2 well and makes the patches for the Game well.
This video is so nitpicky.
1) The reticle in front of the dragon makes sense. The reticle is always in front of the Arwing in Star Fox and nobody even notices, much less cares
2) The reflections aren't "completely gone". I can see them lol its just less noticeable.
The only complaint I agree with is the wing, but everything else just seems over the top. You've expected too much.
Gon Killua The reflections are less noticeable because they are more realistic than just being a random moving texture. They actually reflect at an angle because of the player position.
I’m surprised how many people aren’t afraid to say Jon is just being nitpicky.
Jon makes too many of GameXplain's videos these days, and his stuff is always lacking IMO
because he's not. real fans will know where his criticisms come from. PD wasn't that deep, a majority of the games charm came from the sound & visuals, not the simplistic gameplay. so them making everything YELLOW tinted in this remake removes a lot of the cold, dark, futuristic feel of the original. a lot of gamers are stupid & this is one of those times. it reminds me of when a reviewer gives a bad sonic game a bad review & everybody bashes him for it because they're huge sonic fans. those ppl need to grow up.
*_I was kind of picking apart his review, too. Just another age-old fanboy complaining that the remake isn't the original._*
@@lyt664 nah. switch owners just have low standards because they don't have a lot of new games to play. half the AAA 3rd party games that come out can barely even run on their system if they come to the switch at all. so garbage like this remake, they'll defend it to the ends of the earth because that's all they've got to play... that & old Wii U ports lol smh
@@thebotfather9508
*_You speak as if I'll never know a quality game, but you do not know that I also play PC with a high end laptop. I just enjoy Nintendo and some of the treasures they produce. But Switch or not, the whole remake/rebreak debate gets old real quick._*
The thing is, the pillars do have reflections, they're just not as pronounced because they're most likely using a standard screen space reflection technique
yeah it took me 5 secs to find them once gameplay started before he even mentioned the complaint and noted how far we have come since the saturns painted reflections. Quite a nitpicker and quite a liar on top of that GX.
@@snintendog Liar? Holy fuck calm down lmao
Yeah the whole "DA GRAPHIX ARE BAD!!" complaint is non-sense. It's a fucking Switch not an Xbox. If you look at any of the trailers that aren't just a repost of Nintendo's trailer you'd almost immediately see the reflection quality is jacked way up on other systems.
It's not that the devs didn't care, it's that the Switch can't handle the game as well as the other platforms can, because NO SHIT IT'S A SWITCH!!
well he did lie "the reflections are no longer there and the game as lost the charm it once had" yet in the footage shows Clearly there is reflections and shadows on the water.
The guy lied to make a point. so you calm down and listen to the facts.
@@snintendog I do like the painted reflection aesthetic of that era though, legit.
complains about the shadows...easily sees the reflection of the pillars and buildings in the water...oof
"I've got the criticize and play at the same time"
I know man it's rough, I wish there was some way where I could record footage of the game and then record my voice separately so that I could get my thoughts together before speaking, and then you could maybe put your voice over the gameplay footage--- voiceover would actually be a really good name for that.
They were in a hurry to get the video out to make that you tube $$$
@@zscout1288 but there was no real need to get it out this quickly, even an extra day to really iron it out would have helped the review
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog I also have a feeling this wasn't scripted either.
@@I_was_a_Bullfrog it's not a review
The reflections are there, just more realistic than a mirror image with a wavy filter.
I mean, even the 3ds remake of star fox has this realistic reflect on the water, wtf?.
@@brunobuzzatti1134 but it's true that in the original they are more noticeable and appealing. They look less realistic but way more memorable. From an artistic standpoint, I like the original more to.
Even if, you know, it's not that much big of a deal.
Bruno Buzzatti I'll take art style over realistic, but super low visuals.
Wind Waker vs Twilight Princess.
Reflections are there, and they're wrong. They're routinely misaligned and heavily blurred. They're not realistic.
Now obviously it would be silly to suggest that original game's reflections were realistic, but they kind of have their own vibe, one that just FEELS right. There's probably a reason for it. I mean, with the kind of angle you're getting on the waves here, a lot of the surface will be on a grazing angle, and that means high Fresnel factor, which accounts for a high reflectivity. And the shimmering quality of the reflection surface on big bodies of water is also something you have experienced in real life.
A lot of games today, especially stylised games, Nintendo games, feature highly exaggerated Fresnel, so artistically there wasn't a reason to push it further, much further, and get both modern physically based shading in and get really close in spirit to the appearance of the original game.
I think ultimately the reason the reflections come out the way they are is because for those sharp shimmering reflections to look good, the reflection must actually be aligned well, so you're pretty limited on the cheap rendering tricks, and seeing as this is a 30fps title, chances are they ran out of computational budget pretty much.
@@Lex6d6 Imagine being so stupid that saying blurry fake-looking reflections is somehow "way more memorable".
I’ve never played this game before in my life, but if I had picked it up today and played it I would have never noticed any of the complaints you’re whining about.
Of course you wouldnt realize the differences of a remake of a game you never played. What ?
i like how people who aren't fans of the franchise & have never played the game are bashing him lol... u guys are trash lol smh
john doe So what you’re saying is that, because they’ve only briefly seen PD, they are not allowed to disagree with an OPINION? Maybe, they think Jon is making too big of something that doesn’t give the same “feel” as the original, AKA “they changed things and I want it to be the exact same as the original because I have too much nostalgia for it”
@@aionicthunder the game is very simple, the gameplay is not what made it special. the look, feel, vibe, lore, story & atmosphere is what made PD special & they messed that up, pretty badly. i was ready to bash this reviewer like you & everyone else here, but i listened to what he had to say & i watched the gameplay & compared it to the original (which i have on my xbox one) & this reviewer & all his criticisms was spot-on.
I think "whining" is a bit harsh but these complaints are a little weak.
2:15 “I don’t want to be too doom and gloom over this.”
Proceeds to spend the rest of the video nitpicking about things!
Devs need to assume every game could be someone's first. Up should be up and down should be down by default. Complaining about something as petty as the default flight style is just... What? If it were buried in a sub menu then yeah. Sure. But from the start screen it is 3 button presses away.
Shadows are there and are diffused against the water and become pronounced more on land. The original game's method was just mirroring the model beneath the water. There was no resource savy way of dithering it to save on performance.
Artistic liberties are bound to be taken with remakes that were barren and desolate for the sake of performance. Going from "It's too much detail" to "It looks cheap" is just... What?
What I'm trying to say is this entire video has me saying "What?"
Inverted is more natural; if this is someone's first game, inverted should be the default.
Didn't have a problem picking up inverted controls immediately when I was a kid. On the off chance a game threw non-inverted controls at me, I had trouble with it.
@@tim7th827 Again. Assume this is going to someone's first game. The first thing as a developer you need to establish is control. Up should be up. Down should be down. Not everyone is familiar with flight mechanics. This is coming from someone who plays inverted. Having inverted by default is an awful decision. But ultimately, a non-issue that really shouldn't have deserved 3 minutes of harping on across the vid when stuff like jank camera on side view and needless bobbing is MUCH more intrusive.
The controls are such a non issue I'm surprise it didn't annoy me when I first heard the complaint.
Sounds like you were personally attacked that someone made a 9 minute video making slightly negative comments about your favourite video game.
@Triablos found another GX fanboy
Doesn’t the aiming thingy have to go over the dragon for gameplay purposes, because the dragon would really obscure the reticle 🤔
Not enough to matter, considering how you move it around
Are you seriously nitpicking inverted controls not being default, even though it’s easy to change in the settings
I am one of the people who seriously can't play properly with inverted controls, so this is actually good for me.
I agree with this video being incredibly nitpicky. But if what he said about the option not being in the pause menu is true, I could see the annoyance in that.
Like, imagine starting the game and sitting through the unusually long loading screen just to have to quit the level and do it again because you can't change the setting in the level itself. It's not a huge deal at all, but that's the one nitpick I agree with Jon on.
I do see the pillars have a reflection in the water, it's just more subtle now... I think this looks plenty fine, especially for those who are playing it for the first time.
Really surprised to see the verdict here already in the title. Gained impressions a few hours ago and the people who played it already completed their third run and do like the remake. Seems like today is disappointment day at GameXplain because they expected way better for the Mini-Direct.
@@TheAufziehvogel While it's ok for them to be disappointed, I'm not surprised to see the video's dislike ratio right now being the way it is. I myself am looking forward to the game... Thanks for the reply!
"completley absent he says" when you can see them if you bothered to look for more than a second. This is a baaaaaaad video
@@LegendarySuperMario The problem I have is they bash out 10 videos a day or so. They had a whole Direct conversation a few hours ago and now they released a video with impressions for the Panzer Dragoon Remake. This is fast food coulture at it's best. There is no time to enjoy something when a game is released and the first impressions are out about 10 hours later. Reviewers have to crunch through games, true, but man, this here came out way too fast. These dudes should digest, maybe wait a day or even two before crunching out such a video. You even have to count in the editing of this video.
Yeah I see loads of reflections; they're just a lot more realistic now. The original looked off because the water was too reflective for how wavy it was.
Well, the original was essentially a marriage of system limitation and art style.
As was everything from that era
@@DogratDavis As is anything in any era.
Those were good times.. that was an art in itself
Inverted controls are off because most people hate them in any scenario, I always have them off no matter what I'm playing
yea, that really seems like an old OLD school gamer thing
Exactly, it depends on the person, some people like it others not, and you just need to go to the options to change it, the real problem is not being able to change it in the pause menu.( I do use inverted controls in flying games sometimes)
Planes on the DS had Invert Controls off and that game handled smoothly. Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed on the 3DS I played with Invert off. Recently I've been playing the demo for the Wii U version and I honestly prefer Invert on. Except when Drifting, which is why I rarely drift and mostly rely on risk boosts
I disagree, most people I know prefer inverted controls when it comes to flying. It makes more sense as that's how you actually fly in real life. Aside from that, sure, very few people use inverted controls, but not usually out of spite... I think that it's a non issue either way.
@@lethauntic I haven't flew a real plane, I just know that I like up to mean up and not down, and I was just saying that because he was wondering why it was off by default, also you aren't on a plane in the game, dragons don't control the same way as planes do
I own the original Panzer Dragoon on Sega Saturn. Like the game but not a huge fan, but I must say that this video is really nitpicking. The first reveal of this remake, I knew this was going to be a modest remake. It was never going to be a FF7 remake treatment, so I think no one should expect it.
I mean, it seems people always nitpick when their favorite games get remakes...
Didn't expect to find you on this video, but it is nice. You made my childhood growing up with your MUGEN turtorials.
@@Virtual_Rays Aw man thats good to hear. I'm still around, I don't do Mugen much anymore. I am a gaming channel now, I cover gaming news, and do reviews as well. I'm about to upload a Nintendo Mini Direct Discussion tonight. So if you are interested, stop on through.
@@homuraakemi103 I guess only the super hardcore nitpick because most of the remakes like the Mana series and plenty of others didn't bother me like most. This guy is literally upset over water reflection.
@Mugen Lord So what I’m hearing is the game’s fine if you can’t play or haven’t played the original? If they’re less in your face, perhaps the action was distracting him...
2:28
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that what Jon said made no sense. There's proper criticism and then there's just straight up lying.
The reflections are no where near as pronounced as in the original (which might be an argument in case of the original, but a nitpicky one), but they still _very_ much exist; if you can't see them, then you need to put on some glasses. Not going to lie, while I can understand what Jon is saying about the remake not being that great (if not really nitpicky imo), stuff like this is just really confusing... Like, how much of this is he exaggerating, really?
I mean, is inverted not being the default option really deserving of more than a brief mention? Sure, being able to change it in the pause menu would be nice (expected, really), but it's something that you'd notice, exit out to change, if desired, and that'd be the end of it.
The best criticism about it, for me, is the bobbing- while I'd get used to it, I can understand the slight annoyance.
Nitpicks, while minor individually, can easily add up to dampen the overall enjoyment, but maybe not entirely when that's most of the problems with it.
Jon has a problem where it comes to either not fact checking/double checking his points and just assumes he's correct sometimes. This leads to rushed opinions/insights that end up being wrong, the recent Animal Crossing partner thing comes to mind with him just assuming what he's saying is correct.
@@DigiTensei They all do that. Gamexplain's has really been going down ever since the Switch's release. I used to love them but now I just find myself being thinking "really? you just said something completely incorrect out of your inability to use the internet" constantly.
"The shadows and reflections are completely gone"
*Me sitting here literally looking at the shadows and reflections at the same time they're allegedly gone*
Just because you can't identify the reflection of the pillars because they have a few layers of different post processing effects on them does not mean the reflections aren't there. Your review was actual garbage, and your nitpicking reeks of someone who is absolutely desperate to try to find a reason not to like something.
the review was good (reviews are nitpicking)
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 Reviews aren't nitpicking, reviews are informing the general audience of the quality of the product, not focusing on one or two topics and leaving it at that.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 By that logic all reviews and criticisms are pointless garbage. The point of a review is to give a constructive and well thought out take on something whole trying to be objective. Nitpicking the shit out of something is not a good review. Its pointless ranting at best.
As someone who was lucky to play all 3 games, i think this review is a bit too critical for a game that is a saturn game. I mean compared to the original saturn version, this looks 300% better.
Well they advertised this as a "remake" and this is nothing but a cheap remaster. In a time where we have Resident Evil 3 remake launching next week, this game doesn't even come close to that quality. Criticism is deserved.
@@TundraBoy69 its a remake. The gameplay and the cinematics are completely remade, tht is wht the WORD remake is.
RE2 remake and RE3 remake are just using the word "remake" as marketing terms instead of an actual definition.
They're both reimaginings, think of it as one tic higher in effort than a remake. Where its not like the original anymore. More of a updated retelling of a story, gameplay style is different, personalities of Leon and Claire are more fleshed out and altered a bit, etc.
@@Daigon95 Sure, but this game doesn't even come close to Resident Evil 1 remake. That was a huge jump in visuals and gameplay, this just looks really low budget in comparison.
Also, remade cinematics have nothing to do with with a game being a remake. Halo 2 got one of the greatest cutscenes overhauls I've ever seen yet that release for the Master Chief collection was considered a remaster.
Most remakes or remasters tend to change or iron out issues with the original. From the looks of it, this game introduces new issues and it just ends up looking like a PS3 game.
Compared to a sega saturn game... This is way more of a remake than anything else. In the sega verion there is little to no backgrounds. This game really brought the World to life. Saga was so barren on the open world exploration. Zwei was the most fleshed out panzer game as far as production. You could probably fit all three games in this remake compared to how much more space and resources the remake has.
For anyone who’s on the fence on purchasing this game, don’t watch this video. I’ve played the hell out of it and this was my first time ever playing panzer dragoon and I absolutely adored it. Jon, you’re my fave gamexplain member and I respect your opinions, but this video was just nitpicking
Feels like a rushed out video after being surprised with a direct and a drop.
so you confirmed you're not a PD fan & have never played a PD before this. all we needed to know to write off your opinion.
@@thebotfather9508 Or maybe there's other people that haven't played that would identify with his comment. Zero reason to disregard the original post. That's his perspective and opinion.
@@infernaltim "That's his perspective and opinion." -- same with the reviewer in this video. so you guys in the comments should stop bashing him & disliking the video. because as a long time PD fan, the reviewer is 100% right. this is a terrible remake & doesn't do the original justice at all. the only type of people who would enjoy this are people who have never played the original. which is ironic, because this remake was supposed to be for the fans. if someone waited 25 years for this & THIS is what they got, they should be disappointed.
@@thebotfather9508 The good news is this game is for anyone who wants to play it. You're free to like it or not, but being an asshole gatekeeper and saying someone's opinion is irrelevant because they haven't played this stuff for as long as you is ridiculous. You're not cool because you like Panzer Dragoon more than the next guy, I assure you. Lol Let people enjoy things.
This is the most nit picky video I’ve ever seen. Should have been a tweet
Ain't the first time. Won't be the last either.
It`s not nitpicky. Play the game and you will understand.
Your criticism doesn't seem fair to me.
This man did not just complain about having to change something in the settings. I understand the bouncing being a valid complaint but everything else is just stupid.
So...what exactly is "disappointing" about this remake? It just sounds like your nitpicking instead of giving actual reasons as to why the game would be considered a "disappointment".
He said it more concise in the description. I don't really have much of an opinion on this game myself but idk
The thing is, "disappointing" does not mean "bad," despite what 90% of what the Internet believes. It's disappointing when, as a long-time fan, one cannot recommend a remake over the original.
It's okay not to like things sometimes. And it's okay if things other people think are nitpicks are what turn you off. That's how opinions work.
What you say is true unfortunately, this is also a channel with a platform. Their words hold more weight and, thus they need to be more careful on what they say. Even if he doesn't intend to some people take their words much closer then others. I cant change the title but, it probably should've been called "panzer dragoon is good but..." or " I have some issues with panzer dragoons" instead but, this is my conjecture.
@@vancejohnson-beal8142: Only if you're entering with the assumption that they need to agree with you or that listing negative aspects of a product is inherently a bad thing. What's more important than a critic being "careful" is that they explain their reasoning. John could perhaps do a better job of communicating his overall feelings toward the game, but he still explained very specific things he finds wrong with it (hence the concern with "nitpicks"). Those are things people can keep in mind when considering whether they are interested in a product.
I don't think you need to worry too much about people avoiding a game they would have otherwise enjoyed because of this video. I base this on the comments and like ratio: most people appear to be fully capable of formulating their own opinions on this game without influence from John. I had never even heard of this game up until recently and I don't think anything in the video was necessarily a deal-breaker-- and I've seen a few other people in the comments here say the same thing. That's good because it means I know what I can expect if I choose to pick it up.
This dude wants the game to be simultaneously identical to the original, but also different from the original
That's the Problem from what I know The Developers wanted to do more but fans were upset
The Duality of man
Don't you get it? This is one of the most unnecessary remakes ever! The original was so expensive and groundbreaking you need a big studio and shit ton of money to improve the game. If you don't have the money don't do it!
@@Nitrobotti that's the problem they had time and money but when they tried to improve shit people complained on their discord server
@@terabitez3374 Oh. Well that sucks.
are you blind 3:26 ? i can see the reflecting Shadows!
I’m sorry, but the game hasn’t been out for half a day Jon, I’d rather you play the game before putting this video out, and maybe working a tad on observation, ya know, the reflections are there mate.
"I’m sorry, but the game hasn’t been out for half a day Jon, I’d rather you play the game before putting this video out" --- the game takes like an hour to beat tf are you talking about? lol smh
Also the key points made here are;
.Not advertised fps, should be 60 but instead it is 30. Thats a big no no there.
.Effects like shadows, shading and reflections looking weak
It's a fairly simple game, most people would want to replay it at a better frame rate, impressive and updated visuals with some extras maybe. This game adds nothing to the original experience, if anything it takes away.
If you don't have to ability to play the original, this would have to do but maybe for like £5 at most.
@@GanjsmostPrime It has 60 fps now as a part of update 1.3, but it's a selectable option and it's uncapped 60 fps
7.8 no water reflections (even tho there are??)
Oh come on, it was developed by a small Polish studio with a small budget. Its not perfect, but their heart was in the right place. I enjoyed this game.
I knew right away that this was a low budget project. Why the hell would you even remake something that was so expensive and groundbreaking at the time if you can't do the same now. Remake should be better, right?
@@Nitrobotti it's your money, its Sega's Ip. they can do whatever they like whether you like it or not. Dont like it dont buy it, its very simple
@@spasmo7777 I am glad I saw all the previews. I will NOT buy it, don't worry 🙂
@@Nitrobotti lol by seeing the previews.....🤣 that explains everything
@@spasmo7777 What's so funny? Do you mean I should have wasted my money instead? Don't be a douchebag.
Didn't realize CinemaSins wrote a script for you guys. Hope you paid them well.
cinemaSins knows they are being overly nitpicky, it is their comedy, they aren;t actually reviewing the movie.
@@Argol228 I figured as much. It was really the only comparison I had at the time.
@@Argol228 but sometimes they DO let their taste speak higher
Y’all gotta dial down on these vids. This and the partner thing are very off putting. I know times are different rn, but we need quality over quantity.
What partner thing?
Klaxynd C.J. in Animal Crossing talks about having a male partner. People have been overreacting as if it wasn’t just a quick video about the little bits of lgbtq+ representation that the localization has tried to add
@@btd0ja The thing is, it's simply not true. C.J. talks about his work partner, not his romantic partner. There is no gay representation, so their statement is simply false. This could just be a small mistake, but it seems awfully clickbaity.
btd0ja gotta love those localisation teams changing characters!
Most of the criticisms with the visuals sound like your nostalgia is talking. Also keep in mind this game is 25 bucks. Also I saw the comparison video and the water ripples in the Saturn version made me want to vomit with how it moved.
Yeah I defiently agree its not nitpicking exactly buts its more his nostalgia is in the way. The old one's charm is constantly mentioned like the ship's and the shadows/reflection. And I doubt he meant to say there arent reflections but that they aren't clear like the original (it is a one sitting recording but i could be wrong and maybe he meant to say that) which could shows how its his charm towards the old one thats in the way.
Well that's the point of the video. His point is that as a remake the game is bad and that it's unfaithful to the original and in many ways a worse product. His point isn't that the game is bad.
Inverted controls are off by default because normal controls are used by most modern players
You guys should really tell Jon to not upload sometimes, with this and the Animal crossing shit he posted last time it seems like he's not really coming up with good content.
What Animal Crossing video did he do?
Finally someone says it. I honestly don't like what Jon has brought to this channel at all.
Most of these complaints are surface level. Yes there are shadows and reflections in the water, they just aren't as obvious and are more natural. The dragon is bouncing because it is flapping like an actual creature instead of functioning like a biplane. As for the battleship, how is it supposed to be rugged? What gave you that indication that it was an old battleship? That doesn't make much sense given context, even old battleships would look clean because of maintenance.
this guy is just a horrible reviewer and downvotes prove it.
That's a rather subjective title for a channel that makes a lot of news content
It's a very subjective video, so the title fits
The visual style looks infinitely better, the reflections are still there and are just more subtle, the original ship has no charm that the new one doesn’t have… Like… I’ve never played this game but I feel like Jon is just blinded by nostalgia because this looks so much better:
Forte Ardor Critics are allowed to express their opinion even if it’s controversial. It’s still useful, even if it’s not reflective of everyone else’s opinion.
Just because something has better resolution doesn't mean it looks better! You fucking weirdos!
@@johnjekyllson28 True, everybody has their opinion, bu the reasoning behind the opinion is also important. Not once did Jon ever get me to agree that this game isn't as good as it should be because they're either things that doesn't matter in the long run or are incredibly nitpicky. Like saying that the original ship is better because it's charming in it's rustic nature, but calling the remake version generic even though it's also rustic, just more polished up.
Yeah I honestly don't know how he could think bland muddy graphics look better better than colorful, detailed graphics. This video reeks of a low quality effort "just to be first" on UA-cam.
Not the biggest fan of panzer dragoon but this remake looks fine to me, definitely an improvement of the original, even the ship looks good
"Pretty pictures heehee"
⦓Za Warudo⦔ wow, who would have thought people would like visual improvements! Go be a dingus elsewhere
This has become the next "Andre's Super Mario Maker 2 review", hasn't it?
I hate to ask, but how bad was Andres's review of Mario Maker 2?
It suffered from issues of needless nitpicking over small details, kind of like *this* video. For that, it was pretty contentious when I came out.
Wow, how can something being "too colorful" be a bad thing? This isn't Call of Duty, this is a game where you ride a dragon and shoot things. I would be disappointed if it wasn't colorful!
Why is someone who doesn't understand art direction always put call of duty as an extreme
Garuu popka Cause it’s more recognizable for a broader audience, instead of giving an example of something obscure?
"Too" anything can be a bad thing. The original game was more "faint" looking, giving it a more antiquated and melancholy tone. It's like giving Ridley googly eyes and anime hair. (Not that this game is that extreme.)
Now I'm actually worried about the future House of the Dead remakes. While some of these were just nitpicking, I do feel the quality of the game overall isn't up to par in for 2020 standards.
I'm sorry but this just seems to be incredibly nitpicky.
what is wrong with that?
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 Calling a game disappointing but not actually telling us what makes it wrong, just a load of nitpicks, i can give you a load of nitpicks about any new nintendo game but that doesn't make it bad.
I can see the reflections in the remake footage so.
Sounds more like you're just nitpicking
He’s just nitpicking and biased. I win. Bye bye.
I don't know, the game still looks pretty good to me
It might be something only fans of the original game would understand, comparing them side by side I can kinda see where he’s coming from.
@@luckycapgaming5957 I can understand it from that point of view. No matter how good something might be, as a fan of the original, it's much easier to see the faults; such things that you might not care about if not for having love for the game- not that that immediately says that you like/dislike the game at first glance, but it makes scrutinizing all that much easier whether desired or not. I certainly understand what that feels like in relation to other games that I have grown up with (and love), but I personally feel a bit more lax when it comes to changes. Of course it depends on why those changes were made, but in the end it matters how good the remake is, even if it deviates a lot.
That said, I too understand some of Jon's points, just with a grain or two of salt, because it feels like he was exaggerating a bit too much, even for someone who loved the original. Not that I'm saying that it's a bad opinion, in case that was called into question.
an actual fan of the PD franchise here still dont see WTF jons on the water it self is an improvement over the OG game where it was this mess of white and light blue 2x6 textures on a mesh the refletions where texture of the object with pixels shifted and no shadows to be seen. As a side note you can tell jon is emulating the OG game some of the mesh is clipping the saturn game didnt do that.
Hell even his 'Wing in the way" argument falls flat in the OG game not only that but the tail did too something the remake fixed and the dragon now looks likes its flying and not gliding in the remake with it bouncing sure it can be toned down a bit but it adds a detail the OG game never did. Inverted controls is an option. And the boat in the OG game was just 3 blocks with a brown texture slapped on it the new boat actually fits with the designs we saw in PD zwei and orta now.
I can't but shake the feel, that the devs had no understanding on the artistc direction the original was going for.
...the first level alone; What's up with all the random rock formations, stuff looks off.
...and how the stage began, too; Such lack of finesse...
Thing does looks cheap, and it did so from the beginning; Movement and animations are stiff, models are generic and leave a lot to be desired.
There is absolutely no sense of style, ranging from lackluster effects, lasers, particles, smoke, textures... and what about that colour filter?
What happened to the originals vibrant looks.
It doesn't make the original's justice in any shape or form.
With all due respect, Jon but these sound like nitpickils lol
CJ P. ...what? Gay animal crossing?
I've been avoiding AC content because I really don't care but know I'm interested, ironically.
he was winging about how you cant have a gay partner in the game...despite the fact you cant have a partner at all in AC "MOAR LGBTQ representation despite it not making any sense to add it do it bigots" about sums up the vid
CJ P. I hate to be sceptical but did he actually say it was backwards to have gender options? Any source?
If so, I'm not surprised, but that's still a moronic take. GX normally come off as somewhat reasonable when it comes to their political stance and games, but there's always some dud opinions, I suppose.
@CJ P. I just watched the Animal Crossing video and good god did he really just say those things? Japanese version is backwards for a differences in dialogue?
-"for some reason, the Invert Y Axis is off by default"... because pretty much everyone turns it off anyway & it's pretty well known?
-ok yeah, bot being able to change control setting mid-game is a bad implementation
-honestly, I don't mind having the UI not obscured, it would be nice if it was a toggle. But honestly, I would rather have gameplay accessibility over a nitpick
--how is not having the technology to pull off an effect is "making a statement"? I have no idea what is the "more" you're expecting, my dude
I like the dragon flying animation, it's a dragon. Of course it will bounce around when it's flapping it's wings. Only thing I don't like is the aiming, its harder to get a lockon than it was on Saturn
This video is disappointing!
Yeah a lot of this sounds very nitpicky
this has to be one of the first GameXplain video i see with almost more dislikes than likes MonkaS
Using FFZ/BTTV emotes on UA-cam WeirdChamp
The bisexual video with New Horizons has some dislikes
Jon is really knocking it out of the park lately with dislikes lol.
@Devilluke ラム Uh, I've got shocking news for you mate. It's 2020. So why are you here shitting on a harmless channel you personally lost interest in four years ago? Is it because you caught wind of controversy and just wanted to hop on the hate train? Or are you actually still subscribed and lied to seem cool admist the criticism? Both are incredibly toxic and equally sad.
All I know is this: I don't even think about channels I used to watch when I was 18. So I'm just confused why you're even here.
@@timofcent1 Using FFZ/BTTV emotes on UA-cam smh
Sorry, but I believe your nostalgia is blinding you...
He only has criticisms for the game, nostalgia would make him ignore the bad stuff. That makes no sense.
@@undisclosedsteve6361 it does make sense nostalgia for an older game can make you hate any changes in a remake...
@@Klaxynd that makes no sense
@@undisclosedsteve6361 You don't know what nostalgia means then.
@@Klaxynd That's ignorant, you're ignorant
Was a masterpiece back in the day... Has been upgraded and updated... And you decided to play.. What? The literal first five minutes to piece together this nonsense? For a critic, you've done an exceptionally poor job.
I definitely agree with the loading times, not able to change the controls in the options menu while playing, and some performance issues that are noticeable which hopefully will be fixed up with patches. However I feel many of your complaints are nitpicks and you should have tempered your expectations for this game.
I mean it is not the jump that Resident Evil did with REmake of GCN from the original from ps1, but it still looks great, and it is a budget title after all.
Hmm that like to dislike ratio though...well that says something...I don't know much about this game but something tells me that there is quite a few disagreements...
I'm still interested in this. 90% of this are nitpicks and also dont like inverted controls...ever.
Wolfie - DING DING DING
I hate inverted controls for anything!
Just the fact that we all, fans of Panzer Dragoon are able to see this series coming to life again in modern consoles is something we all must celebrate.
I don't usually comment on UA-cam videos, but I want to make my voice heard to hopefully encourage people to pick this game up because it's an absolute gem. I love Panzer Dragoon. I've owned and played the original countless times, and I beat the remake twice today; once on medium and once on hard. While I have a few nitpicks with the game's presentation, I can say that without a doubt that this is the definitive version. It looks absolutely gorgeous, and I actually think the color palette choice is both stylized and respectful of its source material. Sometimes in remakes, the graphics can be vastly improved but certain things get lost in translation. For instance, in Halo Anniversary the environments are rich in detail and vibrant, but it feels crowded and makes enemies hard to see. Not with this remake though. Every character model is completely distinct from the background and enemies are easy to spot. That's another thing, the draw distance makes this game easily better than the Saturn version. You can actually see what's coming towards you and react appropriately. I also think the controls, which definitely take some getting used to, become buttery smooth once you adjust to using an analog stick over a D-pad. There are definitely things to criticize, such as the abrupt transition from loading screen to levels or how the game can chug a little during cutscenes. However, I can look past these small things and say that this game had some clear heart and soul poured into it. It honors the source material, yet makes some changes that I would argue are for the better.
I'm still giving this video a like because I think John's criticisms are completely valid and I totally see where he is coming from. And, from one fan of Panzer Dragoon to another, I can see how this remake could be a letdown for someone who's waited so long for something like this. However, I hope my little blurb up there has convinced at least 1 person to check this game out. For 25 dollars, I think it is well worth your money and you won't be disappointed.
This might be one of the best UA-cam comments I’ve ever read. Agree to disagree being brought to an art form.
So is it like The Legend of Zelda OOT 3D? Like that remake was an improvement in almost every way
This feels very nitpicky
Adam- DING DING DING!!
Imo it looks great but im just too happy this game got a remake and finally released. Hope it can find success.
There's a lot to unpack here and a lot of constructive feedback to give.
Whether or not a shadow is presented in the game is NOT the most important thing to take away from this video.
The bouncing hitbox, obstructed sight lines, jarring reticle, sterile textures, and delayed music release are all perfectly valid complaints.
That being said, using too much emotive language throughout the video really hurts the credibility of those arguments. Each point comes across as a rant rather than an observation.
Combined with the likelihood that this review has been done on the fly without sufficient planning and the video feels really unprofessional.
It's especially significant to note that this only seems to cover the look and feel of the first level.
No mention of whether the story was adjusted or its quality, no mention of how the gameplay experience scales over time, no mention about the game's length and replay value, etc...
The aesthetics and mechanical polish DO matter, but there's a lot of other important stuff that isn't addressed here. As a review, this is incomplete.
As someone who knows nothing about Panzer Dragoon (so no nostalgia bias for or against this game), I can confidently assert that I'm unconvinced of the video's conclusion.
The lack of refinement and polish is clear, but that alone is not enough to decide whether or not to buy the game.
it's not a review
I've never played Panzer Dragoon but... even what I'm seeing out in the social sphere is actually relatively positive. At the very least I still want to play it cause it looks cool to me.
This preview sounds like it was written by the bitblock
The game looks cheap, but they probably had a small budget.
It's Forever Entertainment, they definitely did!
It’s sega they are the masters of being cheap unless it’s sonic
Taker369 Sega didn’t develop or distribute this game, they only gave the IP rights to Forever and that’s why they’re credited only on the title screen.
This video is just a pointless series of nitpicks, and factually wrong information. There are clearly reflections, "This ship looks generic" looks the same as the original.
Yeah. I agree with him on some things, like the bouncing and the soundtrack not being finished, but everything else sounds like a nitpick/personal problem/ranting.
The ship looks identical to the original, minus a few features here and there that aren't necessary, and he says it's generic to the original.
Not having inverted controls as a default sounds more like a personal issue than a development issue. For example, I play with inverted controls off. If I want to go up, I push up. If I want to go down, I push down. That's how I play.
Having no reflections is just a straight up lie and sounds like he only took a quick glance at it.
Running at 30 fps instead of 60 sounds like a personal problem to me. I get that running at 60 fps is better, but I can't tell the difference between the two unless I'm playing both side-by-side and I'm not doing that. Could be a me thing, but that bothered me
Being too colorful isn't a bad thing and sounds like a nitpick. When he put it side-by-side, I loved the remake's colors better.
I do agree that the soundtrack should've been in the game to begin with, as there's no excuse for not having new music in, but it's also not a huge deal and isn't game breaking or anything.
I think this is the end of my little rant 😅
Weird knitpicks dude. The game looks fine. The reflections are still there but more realistic. Dragon looks awesome flying. I don't get how it looks more "generic" when everything has more detail. That makes no sense either.
What do you expect when it's the first game It never had much go begin with also the devs had a discord channel just for Panzer Dragoon and whenever they mentioned certain changes people got pist off about it because it wasn't 100% like the original I feel bad for the developers they really wanted to add more content I think but only bits and pieces of that show up like in the intro they gave the Rider a little extra Text Dialouge asking his friends about the ship he sees before he meets the Dragon
That makes me wonder if the “OG” PD fans are just outright toxic...
@@TheEvanDude112 nostalgia in toxic amounts it seems.
@@andresmarrero8666 yeah I remember seeing them complain about the dragons roar too All I know is They are also working on the sequel Panzer Dragoon Zweii which is a much better game it feels less like an Arcade game and more like an action adventure game mixed with a shooter, Zweii also has an evolution system that depend on certain paths you take!
Did GameXplain just turn into cinemasins? Like what the hell are these nitpicks???
"The ship in the original was charming.. Now it's generic." They are the same ship?
"The shadows and reflections are gone!" They are right there...
Yeah man, I laughed when he aaid that the reflections were gone, I was like "but they are right there!"
inverted controls for flight are dumb. Unless you have a flight stick.
Ehh it's preference I like inverted controls when flying in any game
I agree on the bouncing, and it's true that it lacks visual clarity in respect to the original. The rest seems fine to me.
Be happy they remade it your too picky bro I see nothing wrong with this and I used to play it like crazy.
Besides the bouncy dragon and basic stuff coming later. All of this is just nitpicking and being completely blind.
The original music is so good that I didn't even notice a lack of remix.
Shame on you. This is a great remake and I love the HD visuals. Beautiful game to my eyes.
Well the fact he doesn’t moan about framerate, game breaking bugs, crashes etc. make this game sound like a safe buy. When his biggest complaint is the default setup of the controls (that are user adjustable) and the graphical style (which looks similar to Orta, the only game I’ve played in the series thus far back on original Xbox and absolutely adored) then the remake honestly doesn’t sound that bad.
I’ll buy it to support the developers so they can continue developing the sequel and hopefully eventually Orta too, which would be the real prize for me - I love Orta so much, incredible game.
...this is the first time I've heard someone complain about IMPROVING FIDELITY.
Your lost in your nostalgia. I can see the shadows. The only thing you said that holds weight is the fact that is that the dragon bounces as it flys.
He REALLY hates this remake.
Maybe Jon doesn’t like this game as much because the original game has a coat of nostalgia and the remake is a true reflection of the game. In other words, it’s not as good as he remembered it to be.
"this is a great game"
*Spends next 10 minutes criticizing it*
John, this is a good example of leaving the nostalgic love you have for a game from childhood in the past instead of playing a better version of it in 2020 and then throwing a minor personal tantrum because you realize that it doesn't hold up.
>personal tantrum
>literally calmly critiquing a video game
Y'all are fucking nuts
@@SoupyPupper Just because he's calmly criticizing the game doesn't mean he's not throwing a tantrum, or just being childish as he's being overly nitpicky in this video.
I think the game looks fine. I definitely see the appeal and charm of the original, but there's nothing that seems outright flawed.
"Just looking at the water - the original made such a bigger statement."
...what?
He was saying the atmosphere and the impression made were too different. The original was blue, tranquil, etc. The new one is far from tranquil.
gundamzerostrike
I didn’t mean literally tranquil. I meant along with the blue color, gave a feeling of tranquillity. Where-as the remake is golden and, regardless of the actual movement of the water, far from peaceful feeling. The waves weren’t my complaint. Tho I understand how it could assumed that’s what I meant. I shouldn’t have used that word I suppose.
The whole time, he’s making me think of those guys that like to pick apart remakes as a way of proving he played the original. Makes him feel more badass. “They ruined my calm ocean experience in the first stage”....freaking what?
Honestly, if they released the game with a remastered soundtrack and failed to include the original soundtrack it would be worse. I've never played Panzer Dragoon and have the soundtrack on vinyl, because it is so good.
*_Here we go again that the remake isn't the original. John, it's supposed to resemble a modern day take on the game. OF COURSE everything is going to look different. And you can't compare a flying dragon to an Arwing when it comes to movement and animation. The dragon is going to be bouncing from the flapping. If we made it sit still it'd feel a bit weird and static._*
I think for people who have heard about this game but never played or have access to the original like me, I think this is a great way to experience it. So far I’m liking game.
Everybody has things that may seem a bit odd in certain games, but the things that’s being complained about in this video is LITERALLY nothing worth complaining about. This is a remake, not much was supposed to change. Not many games that’s was remade have to many differences. Shenmue was remade and the only real change was the graphics. It’s still the same tank like controls etc etc and it’s still as great as it was when it released on Dreamcast. Don’t know what was expected out of a remake
I think the bouncing is a fair observation. It'd probably be less distracting if the dragon glided more rather than flapping its wings the whole time. Realistically, with those tiny wings it would probably have to flap a whole lot more (well actually it just couldn't fly) but it is a videogame.
Maybe rechecked all your points because uh wow you can't even back up most of the faults it has.
What is up with all these really strange videos yall are pumping out now in days.
I hope something changes soon because I'm starting to consider different Nintendo news outlets. :/
Jon; is reminding me of your Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz HD review. Just full of nitpicks.
Well eh, super monkey ball banana blitz was more so justified cause for every monkey ball fan it was kinda just garbage taken out of the trash with a sonic seal of approval stamped on
This game is so amazing, so beautifully redone and completely true to the original.
Get yourself a new pair of glasses.