Lebogang Ramafoko weighs in on Bheki Cele's heated exchange with Ian Cameron
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Action Society’s director of community safety, Ian Cameron, and Police Minister Bheki Cele have been making headlines following their heated exchange in Gugulethu. According to Cameron, he and the entity will be laying charges against Cele and some police officers. In a video circulating on social media, Cele is seen shouting at Cameron, telling him to "shut up and sit down," before an officer escorts him out. This after the Minister failed to answer questions about the police's inability to protect South Africans against crime.
Executive Director at Oxfam SA, Lebogang Ramafoko, weighs in.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika, DSTV channel 405, for more details.
Hats off to this lady. She is intelligent and she speaks the truth. Crime effects everyone. We all want to be safe in South Africa.
Much respect for this lady. She spoke the truth
i agree
I salute you Lebogang The truth shall set us free
Freedom fighters are killers, not leaders. The ANC's big problem is that it is led by old fighters like Cele who have turned into super-rich thieving looters.
Oh my hat.. Can this woman run for president of South Africa. Thank you for speaking truth and not pandering to the agenda.. Also thank you for calling out the shallow racism both in the reporter and in Cele.
Yes I agree
Much respect to you sister. I salute you. South Africa needs more people like you and Ian.
They are wrong, Ian Cameroon has earned the right to speak for the community, one, as a citizen of this country and two, as an Activist in that community. Voetsek to any African who claims that Ian was not suppose to talk. Not in my name. Batshele Ian!
Amen to that! 💜
✊🏼 very much. I AM WITH YOU!
Amen to that. I totally agree with you. And respect you and stand in solidarity with you
Yesssss Mthokozisi!!!!!
Amen to that👍💪
Please lay charges.. Cele needs to be removed from his position...
For sure.What does he think of himself🤮🤮🤡
You want police to to investigate their Boss? Forget it...
Not just him, the whole ruling party.
Every single one of them need to be removed from their positions. There's to much friends, friends, to much friend I have a job for you, do you want it. Its like working for ABSA or other banks
And he thinks he can do wat ever he wants bamthembise ntoni .........sheiiiim
Lebogang, you give me goosebumps when you talk!!! I will vote for you tomorrow!!!
Cele and many like him are always playing the 'Struggle and Racist' card. It's so old. Move on! Thank you for giving accurate intelligent truthful answers Lebogang. Wise woman!!
The ANC was the problem in apartheid days they killed 1000s of their own to over throw the government by stated the people's war back in the days watch Tainted Heroes on UA-cam and you will see the truth of who was responsible for so many deaths in apartheid
Wise woman when she says what you want?
But I am not there. It's true that we must move on from talking about racism to acting on it.
“Move on” says a benefactor of apartheid policy. I was in agreement with your statement till the “move on”, that comment is so ignorant and grotesque. It reflects a complete removal of the plight of those that still live under racial policies. I’m curious to know if that’s the came view you hold on Jews, because the effects of a holocaust are long lasting. What happened in South Africa since 1652 has been a holocaust, nothing else. Cele’s race card was shallow, it was used out of context. He’s a weak leader and an even worse politician there is no question about that, however to say “move on” that is a fascist assertion.
You right they must move On, this race card is out of fashion its getting old and boring🙄🙄😴😴
*Thats exactly what i said*
I'm so glad that the lady has sense and integrity 😍
WOW - so much objective wisdom gives me hope for us, the people of South Africa! Kudos Lebogang !
Thank you for speaking for all if us, we agree with all your sentiments.
Thank you Ms Ramafoko for telling it like it is.
Yes very good.
Wow. So much truth being uttered. Well done for giving this the airtime it deserves.
this whole story started the day evil mandela was voted in,he brought in the evil bbbeee and affirmative action causing so many white to lose their work and it spiralled down today that more black people sit without work,poverty no food no houses no water no power,all due to evil mandela being voted in,
The problem with Cele is that he would not be removed. The only way to rid South Africa 🇿🇦 from this cANCer is to eject them from office .
Thank You Thank You So much Big Sister.....You are far Better than most Man in PARLIAMENT calling themselves Leaders....the Nation will always Thank You for this Interview.....we need more figures like Lebogang Ramafoko....truly you are Lebogang
Fantastic my Lady. Beautifully said.Its about ALL the people of SA!!!!!All!!! HE is a servant of the people.He is paid by the people of SA( taxes )
I do not understand why when someone is fighting for our human rights we must look at the color? The people were supposed to defend the man from being thrown out. He was mainly saying what the people are saying. Our people will never learn honestly.
That kitchen boy and garden boy plays race card to divert people's mind please dnt focus on his story.
That he was in Robben Island, ate rotten food,mother was a tea girl and father was garden boy, he misses those things.
Wake up kitchen boy those things arent there no more.
Its honderd years later people want proper policing
Indeed. But perhaps fear of being kicked out of the meeting themselves? Because that's what our so called leaders do, anything to instill fear in our people. For people to feel they can only speak certain truths and fight certain fights, cause God forbid they insult these 'leaders'.
@@smileprincess6834 you have a good point there we even get killed for truth
Agreed
My goodness , what a refreshing view from this strong lady who sees the bigger picture, enkosi ma
Excellent point. If Ian wasn't there, and had not had this exchange, would we have seen any change? Would we even know the meeting took place. And by the way, Celes mother died when he was a baby. His father was an induna on the railways. He lied about his credentials.
Thanks madam 😘 please you must become president of South Africa 🇿🇦
Huh
He also knows little about exile. He spent 6 weeks in Lusaka in the early 80s and did a crash course of 2 weeks in Angola. He sacrificed very little . Mostly just a bull shitter.
Rose Hunter, and so did most of these ANC POLITICIANS LIE ABOUT THEIR CREDENTIALS, YET THEY STILL HOLDING THERE POSITIONS......
The correct way to go...these people must be held accountable....
By Who???They are alfa ana omga.They control all state organs nobody can say or do anything to them.
They are untouchable.
The politie are meant to arrest ordinary citizens
Well said Lebo, when public officials refuse to listen to the facts and take accountability then the old struggle & race cards are pulled out. The minister should have engaged constructively, he had a wonderful opportunity to listen and engage civil society formations. A missed opportunity to engage
I love lebo for her truth an honesty
It is utmost racism to say Cameron does not have the right to confront issues that are wrong just because the community he speaks for is black and he is white. Is it racism for a white to care about a black community along with the greater crime problem he addresses. It should be seen as admirable that he cares about a race group other than his own quite the opposite of racism.
Exactly, it beggars belief to witness such a racist response from the Minister.
Plus he, Mr. Cameron is patrolling those streets, with the people, what the minister never ever did in a democratic South Africa.
And the way in which he went on and on about Cameron supposedly calling him a “garden boy”; absolutely pathetic behaviour. So much petulant nonsense
Cele is not the sharpest pencil in the box!!!... He is absolutely not fit for his position!
@@devongarvie6261 Camron invited Cele to patrol with him without the obligatory fanfare. Guess that made Cele feel like a garden boy....no limelight
Wow, what a breath of fresh air is this lady!!
Well said @Lebogang - sensible & rational comments! Cele thinks that he can get away with his corruption, incompetence, aggression & racism by virtue of his "struggle credentials"! It is absolutely absurd & him & his cadres forget that they are supposed to be serving us! We pay for their enormous salaries & then they think they can just abuse citizens who dare to challenge them!
Yes, this lady should run for president!
Freedom fighters are killers, not leaders. The ANC's big problem is that it is led by old fighters like Cele who have turned into super-rich thieving looters.
Really her surname is Ramafoko she will always bore us with her Mafoko as a President
I agree we need people like Lebo please run for president.
Respect, Lebogang ✊🏼
People's Power is more Powerful than People in power.
The tables will turn like French revolution and The Boers also saw Black revolution.
ANC will oneday see Black revolution
@@patrickvanklooster5848 On point, that day is not too far, people are tired of promises and lies from the very same mouth of the lie machine called African National Corruption.
@Steve But once they turn,they will be unstoppable.
People of S.Africa didnt act fast to stop apartheid goverment, but the day they started they never stopped.
Oneday,ANC syndicaat Mafiaso will fall someday,people shall raise up.
05:56 " *Toe to toe, the minister is out of his depth* " - powerful words, which I wholeheartedly agree with.
I'm certainly not too familiar with Ian Cameron, but I am sure he does not hold a ministerial position, and is not in charge of a critical organisation like SAPS, and yet as a 'mere' civil rights activist "toe to toe", he would beat Cele, hands down.
Cele failed DISMALLY as Police Minister, demonstrating his complete and utter failure during the JULY (2021) RIOTS! After the Riots - where civil society come together to protect themselves, their neighbourhoods and businesses in the area (something the police weren't at all capable of accomplishing) - the minister tried to stoke racial tensions. Cyril Ramaphosa and the ANC are hobbling the country with cadre deployment - putting people without a clue or passion, or any experience into roles of such critical importance - just because they're "card carrying members" and were part of a struggle some 30-odd years ago. Cele should retire and go sip on his morning tea. The truth of the matter is that Cele's loyalties do not lie with the best interests of the country... I fear he is still a staunch supporter of the shadow government (where showerheads are all important).
Please understand that I respect and appreciate that there are a number of decent, passionate, qualified and hard working members of the police in service at the moment. I want to say THANK YOU to them, and that we do appreciate you... and we hope that you would continue to do your (often thankless) jobs to the best of your abilities... we need people like you. THANK YOU. 💙
Freedom fighters are killers, not leaders. The ANC's big problem is that it is led by old fighters like Cele who have turned into super-rich thieving looters.
"Toe to toe" the honorable Cele will fall over his feet. Ha-ha.
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What people have to understand this is not a race issue and Cameron was right he has earned my respect
Blessings upon you Lebogang for having the courage, wisdom and integrity to speak the truth. Government is there to serve the people and the community, not the other way around. That is what a Constitutional Democracy mean. Everybody equal before the Constitution.
What an amazing interview!!!! 👏 👏 👏 a lady with insight and a will to make our amazing country actually amazing!!!
Lebogang and Ian for newly formed government. Very good interview. We should work together.
If this lady confronted Cele what would he have done as she clearly Cleary agrees with Cameron. She speaks the truth.
Lebogang makes perfect sense! We need you! Thank you for speaking for all South Africans that would like to see SA becoming the amazing country could be.
Protect this lady at all cost ,!!!!
Think it’s time for Cele and the old outdated to follow Boris Johnson’s example RESIGN AND GO!!! Time for fresh new blood that understands and cares for the people and what they need and what they struggling with. Thank you Mam love you and love your description of the the problem and solution 🙏❤️🙏
What a lady. She should have also been there. Would Cele have responded similarly if she had said the same words as a white guy? For forcibly removing the questioner from the meeting is shameful. In any modern democracy minister Cele would be asked to resign on the spot for such a disgraceful public performance. To keep such a person as minister of police is going to be of interest. George Orwell’s book needs to be read by every ANC politician.
I love logic and comon sense. Well spoken lady.
Well Done and thank you Lebogang, so refreshing to hear someone standing up for the truth.
Well said - unfortunately Lebogang you are way toooo intelligent and toooo mature and tooooo qualified to run for president - but I do pray for a miracle. If we can have more people like you and Cameron running this country - OH Wow!!!! We would be the best country in the world.
Thank you Lebohang....
Our ministers dress in their fancy suits and motocades and don't do anything. They are servants not masters. They don't seem to understand that.
True Mama.
it’s not a complex situation. It’s an ANC government,
Mam. Thank you for standing up for the truth.
Well said lady being interviewed. Ten out of ten for you.
Its not a complex issue. The issue is get the job done. If you don't want to get the job done get the hell out.
His lack of qualifications may be hindering his ability to understand or care that he is incompetent for the position
Charade of ministers. That’s the crux of the problem. Well spoken.
They must all go they to old for the job
You are a very levelheaded woman! Big respect to you. Love the way you are explaining the situation
This lady speaks the truth and I take my hat off for her. Well done!
we admire u madam. ..hats off to u ...for pointing out that cele's behaviour. was a disgrace as a minister
So refreshing. If it wasn't for cadre appointment, SA would be led by people like Lebogang who understand the needs of the people.
Round of 👏 Madam.
Wonder why am I seeing her for the first time.
She spit FACTS without hesitation.
Wow "that position is not about Cele" you hit the nail on the head Lebo.
So the masses should mop the floor with their tongues because of what Cele did during the struggle days!?!?! Everybody suffered during those days... This is a cocktail of disaster and a ticking time bomb...
Infact these fools are compasated for Thier pain what about people who never had any justice we are tired of this emotional blackmail this people have failed
Freddy Kruger needs to leave
My goodness, why does this host do so much defending of Cele and the government with his questioning???
Its called being a good journalist/interviewer. You have to ask questions for the other side, so the viewers can decide if the interviewees arguments holds weight.
ACTION SOCIETY AND OPERATION DUDULA 💪 WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THESE MOVEMENTS
Well-spoken Madame.
Well said my sister, well said.
This is what we need.
👍
Love love this lady the truth without the skin colour
Bheki Cele's must stop feeling sorry for himself. Racism is long gone! I will salute Lebogang Ramafoko with the biggest respect, but definitely not Bheki Cele. I love intelligent people like Lebogang Ramafoko . She is an example of a civilized person.
Well done, mam, ur organization is a voice of reason and justice for the people, irrespective of their color, we are all s. Africans.
Lebogang for president I am voting now yes
Well articulate ‘Me Lebogang. You give us hope that the generation in power is not lost and can still be held to account by sober minded peers. You spoke to the crux of the matter and unpacked it clearly.
God bless this woman!!!
Fact
Thank you lady
So sick of the racist card, white, black pap or wors we need to stand together against this corrupt government finish and klaar
Lebogang you an amazing woman. Thank you for your view
An amazing lady. Speaks the truth and focuses on what's important. It's time for those "in charge" to cease hiding behind populist rhetoric and get on with DOING the jobs they have been appointed to do and which they constantly claim they were historically excluded from doing.
An injury to one is an injury to all... So Cele is dismissive of the rainbow nation... And for that matter the position he holds is not a" Cele position"...
Mama u need to be given a position of public protector u can call a spade a spade
Lebogang said everything i would have loved to say about this matter, so well spoken and straight to the point 🙌🏽
Bheki cele think just because he has been to robben island south africa owes him,we are led by criminals🤞
and criminals don't come bigger than Cele and his boss Ramaphosa
So try the whole ANC must go
@@kellyalexander7347 most definitely
Love the response and tone of lebogang..
Well said my dear
Things are starting to move in a better direction 🙏🏼 thanks to people like this lady being interviewed... because the Truth always will win and truth has been hidden for to long ✨️ 🤔🤷🏼♀️✌🏼👍🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Why must there be rules of engagement when we take the " criminals in politics " to task But they carry on like animals in Parliament
yes no values!!
They think they are above the law since parliament makes the laws. We must not accept to be bullied by those outdated politicians, you are right they engaged like wild animals in parliament yet they want to be respected by the public for messing up and refuse to be accountable. We will not bow down for mediocrity.
Correct look at the despicable behaviour of Julius and his thugs in parliament.
True Derek - South African Parliament has become the laughing stock of the World - I was raised in the Apartheid Era when we still had some form of morals that there is a time and a place for everything and Julius is basking away in Spain with another of his crooked cronies
Never stop speaking truth!
God bless this woman. You see minsiter Cele, this woman doesn't say that the person asking her questions views her as a kitchen girl, she is a respectable woman with more than enough intellect to take on any challenge or argument. She is right when she says your head should hang in shame if you have suffered something previously and are now indifferent to your fellow South-Africans and their suffering and plight. By the way, when she asked her interviewer the reverse to say if Cameron was not in that meeting would the community issues have been addressed, right there and then she shows how biased her interviewer is, he is not after truth and fact. Love this woman, we need more black men and women like this woman in our country.
Thank goodness for a conscious voice amongst these brainless, unevolved mafia monsters. All praise to you!
Thanks for thrme truth
Well spoken That's what we need is South Africans👍👏👏👏
bloody hell, many of us have been waiting years for someone to finally say these words for all to hear. More so for those who have the same mindset as Cele who keep us in this festering state, where SA is going nowhere, as nobody is willing to evolve beyond the old. The people need to listen to people like this lady, and not loud mouth arrogant men who only ever scratch at old wounds, bleeding people dry, never allowing them to grow as people, Like Malema and his EFF, and of course the ANC.
Thank you my lady it is time for the minister to go and never have a place in government ever again its clear he is not suitable for any post
That is the quality of leaders that come from ANC cadre deployement policy. What a shame
Has gugulethus issues been addressed? Cameron is addressing them with out State financial support. His calling Cele out that has it...
Why is this amazing woman not in government? She speaks such truth!
I'm sure sure she will stop being " AMAZING" once she is in government !!!
Then the rest off the bad rotten apples would most probably try to work her out.
NO !!! Unfortunately for the elite (the back Diamonds) will not get to Her . This lady is truly in her own class .
NO !!! Unfortunately for the elite (the back Diamonds) will not get to Her . This lady is truly in her own class .
bheki cele is stupid
Thank you mama, I'm speechless ... thank you for being everyones voice and for Mr. Ian Cameron
The Minister is in that position FOR THE SOUTH AFRICAN public and us as South African citizens. This was an event FOR the community and NOT for a minister to "make it all about him" and behave so unprofessional. White, black, yellow or red....the race of a person doing what is right for the community does not deserve to be labeled by race, but rather the deeds and what the person stands for. Cele revealed his true self. He did not like hearing facts and then deflected by playing the "race" card. It is not the first time this has happened when it comes to people in positions of power. Ask this....has Cele EVER walked in the boots of a SA Police officer in any part of this country....NO....he has NOT. Another prime example of what happens when you state facts and the other party (Cele) has ZERO justification or explanation on the grievances/factual points raised. Pathetic and anger at that level is a sign of weakness. Be ashamed if your behaviour and you, Mr Cele, needs to either step down and someone with actual police experience should be in that position. You revealed your true "identity" and "sense if entitlement" on live television for everyone to see. That alone shows where your priorities lie and when faced with the truth you are totally clueless unless you can patrol the beaches and abuse your power on people during lockdown....but when the riots and unrest in KZN happened you were nowhere to be found.....well....you did arrive after all was destroyed. It is easy to focus on the easy soft targets and very telling if you shy away from the very real and difficult situations.
Lebogang i LOVE YOU 💜💜💜
When work needs to happen we don't need cameras!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank you for speaking the truth so boldly.
Cele's conduct is definitely not being ministerial in his conduct. The poor locals are so less informed. What a shameful Minister!He thinks he is somebody. Did Maan uyandinyanyisa! Makahambe!! Viva Ian!!!
Lebogang schooling Newzroom...
You are a good person! Thank you.
Ian is a Helen Susman in the making. ..
Cele must now now go go or go to jail
Well done Lebogang for a very fair commentary. You have wisdom beyond your years and truly deserve your position and more. May God's favour continue to shine apon you 👏👏
Thank you for telling it like it is. Much respect Lady.
Respect!!!!!
Shame on you Ayanda for trying to lead the conversation to a racial issue again without adressing the facts. The dissapointment on your face made my day. Thank you Lebogang for adressing the issue reagardless of the person raising it. Accountability for all will change this country in a heartbeat.