Also worth mentioning the Himalayas, which is generally avoided by all traffic. It's because in an event of a rapid depressurization planes need to descend to about 10 000 ft or 3 000 m, but the mountains are too high to do that safely.
Not just the Himalayas, but the entire Tibetan Plateau. Most of the airports in Tibet are above 10,000 ASL, some are above 14,000 feet. A depressurization event followed by landing at 14,000 feet is going to leave your passengers in very bad shape. Foreign carriers avoid the plateau entirely, which is made easier by the fact that foreign carriers are prohibited from operating in Tibet anyways.
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When flying domestic in China, you get delayed by the fact air traffic control is indeed controlled by the military but also the fact that they there is a hierarchy to which flights go first: international first, then flights to Beijing, then flights to other larger cities, then the rest... And then it depends on the airline. Some airlines like Spring airlines which is super budget seems to be making money by selling some of its takeoff slots to other more premium airlines. Airlines least likely to be delayed are Hainan and Juneyao. Also never take last flight of the day if you can avoid it
Also, Beijing gives priority to Air China flights, typically because many important individuals in China fly with Air China, and the airport needed to ensure their schedule first.
Yes, that's why more people prefer taking high speed trains nowadays, even if it takes about 4-5 hours from Beijing to Shanghai, compared to 1.5-2 hours flight.
they should replace the wavy airpaths with closing the passenger windows when flying over restricted places. airplane staff are trusted to keep quiet about such places.
Lived in Shanghai for several years. Taking the high speed train was sometimes shorter than the flight, even though the plane should be more than twice as fast. The train stations are much more centrally located, have less security theatre/wait times, and are not often delayed. Flights on the other hand, almost never took off on time. 30 min delay was a good delay. I'd sometimes sit on the plane for 2hrs before it would take off, then it would be another 2hrs+ to get to Beijing. Definitely made flying way worse than it had to be.
I've taken dozens of flights out of Shanghai and I somehow always end up arriving at the airport at the departure time and yet I've never missed a flight. The ticket counter always gave me shit for being so late, but you work here, dont you know your dang flights rarely depart on time?
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Now it all adds up I never understood why china is so keen on making all the fast-moving trains and how they are so profitable compared to cross-country flights.
Same here bro. Typically there is a lot more infrastructure costs for trains to maintain ad clear snow of the tracks mean while airplanes just have fuel as the cost. BTw YOU CHANNEL IS SO UNDER RATED SUBBED.
Well actually many of the Chinese high speed lines are losing lots of money, especially the longer ones, which are more of a political tool, to force integration of minorities with the Han Chinese by making these far flung places better connected. The line from Beijing to Urumqi doesn't even make enough money to cover the cost of the electricity.
I’m a pilot working in China, in fact some of those military airspace are sometimes open to civilian aircrafts, if there’s no military activity in side that airspace, or sometimes even there is on going military activity, it’s still negotiable, the civil aviation ATC will negotiate with military controllers. Sometimes they approve sometimes they don’t. The biggest inconvenience for me is the open time of those airspace is not transparent, the ATC or some departments of the operators may sometimes know the plan of their military activity, but we as pilots most of the time aren’t able to get those information, thus adjust our expectations or even flight plans. I’ve been flying in France for 1-2 years and they have a lot of restricted airspace too, some of those are military airspace, but their pilots are able to know the exact time of opening or closure of those airspace through the NOTAMs, which we don’t have here in China. I kind of get it that is to protect their military secrets, but for me this is really causing inconvenience & threats, sometimes even danger, to civil aviation here.
@@leoleoleoliao4413those planned routes would be planned around to avoid those air space as the open times of the airspace isn't transparent, so if the airspace is open they would go through those air space as it will be faster than to flying around those airspace
@@junw8336 actually when those airspace are open, the ATC will instruct them to go through. That is what I do in my work. So transparency won’t be a major problem.
I actually loved the ad at the end. I've long suspected this channel was just a bet to see how much stock footage you could use but I was a bit off. Real power move by the sponsor though, lol.
I'd rather stare at a chart, diagram, or even a public domain photo from Wikipedia than see boring, meaningless stock footage. The race to pump out content has caused video production quality to increase at the expense of real content.
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@@remaks8405 Feet is universal when it comes to aviation. Every country uses feet for altitude with regards to aviation. Only a few countries like China, Russia and a few others use meters to measure altitude.
You’ll certainly hear the announcement “the flight xxx is cancelled/delayed due to air traffic control” at all airports, that’s really common and happens all the time at all airports I’ve been to in China
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I traveled to China in 2019 and it's certainly gotten better. Many disused military airports have been converted to civilian airports which has made connections to smaller cities a lot more easier.
I went to China in 2012 and in 2017. Both times there were minor and major delays waiting for planes. The shortest delay was 1 hour. The longest delay was 4 hours. The 4 hour one was such a pain because they kept saying they had to move which gate it was going to be at, but wouldn't say which one.
Fun fact: Until recently this meant the civil flight training was completely impossible, meaning that almost every commercial pilot in China is trained in either Australia, Europe or America. Including about 100 by me (all working for Sichuan or Eastern). Covid has, atleast for now put a stop to that.
That's not completely true. Civil flight training is too expensive in China and normally sponsored by airline companies, As for individuals, they choose to train abroad which is cheaper.
Actually it's Disney WORLD in Florida that has a NO-FLY ZONE (check "Midway to Mainstream" YT video on the subject), not the smaller Disneyland in Anaheim, CA. Sam shot Mary Poppins out of the sky... (probably Peter Pan would've escaped as he's way faster)
I lived in Shanghai for a couple of years and can vouch for the terrible air passenger experience. A relative came out to visit me once and their flight was delayed by over 8 hours! Got diverted to Xiamen. Zero communication from the ground team.
Yeah there’s virtually no reason to ever take a plane over the train in China, flying in China is just the most miserable experience vs. trains in China being some of the best
The weirdest route I ever saw in China doing this was KLM Flight 807 from Amsterdam to Taipei Taoyuan, it enters China, fly all the way south to Hong Kong, then makes an almost complete u-turn to the north-east direction to Taipei, this was pre-covid era before KLM shuffled their Asia flights. Also, note-worthy, if you fly from the Philippines to some parts of China, like Beijing and Shanghai, you always fly avoiding Taiwanese airspace.
It must have something to do with taiwan-china tension, they simply avoid conflicted area to not doing the same on a certain Malaysian airline shootdown in Ukraine.
Also China bans all Taiwan flights going to Europe, or the Middle East from flying directly over China because of the one nation policy. China claims since the flights are not starting from the mainland it is not possible for Taiwanese carriers like China Airlines and EVA Air to operate flight to Europe over China. Those airlines have to detour, fly further south or before the Russia invasion of Ukraine go above, into Russian territory and then down to Europe.
By regulation, if you are flying from / through Mainland China to Taiwan, you can only exit airspace controlled by PRC via either Shanghai FIR (Flight Information Region) or Hong Kong FIR. That's why, even for flights between Fuzhou and Taipei, which are just across the strait, you have to fly north towards Shanghai, enter Shanghai FIR, before turning east into Taipei FIR.
News about one month ago. China is opening up one more north-south path over the sea. It is like a main highway in the air and they are giving it one more lane. It is east of all the lanes we had, and closer to taiwan island. So I guess it may have been about tensions, and now we are taking a step at a time. Also I think there is defined paths where planes enter and exit these main lanes, like ramps, thats why sometimes you see a plane fly east a bit to get on the lane and west to exit. that is not the straightest path, but the airspace would be too crowded without doing this.
During the 'Cold War' era and even beyond, some airlines flying in or close to US Airspace also had to take very specific, less direct routes. For example Cubana Airways operated a flight from Havana to Montreal. They had to be careful for over a certain area of NY State due to a US military base and missile site. If strayed into it, future flights would be suspended.
You’ve been getting better at finding the balance between jokes recently. I felt like for a bit it was a bit too much sometimes, but more recently the balance has been a lot better.
Sad to say it's still way to immature jokey for me. The whole Alabama inbred thing was just 80's teenage cringe and incredibly painful as it dragged on and on.
There’s some more stuff that makes China’s airway restrictions even more absurd in places. To begin with, there are actually two classes of aeronautical charts for civilian use: one allowed for foreigners and one with more waypoints and airspace allowed for actual Chinese pilots who have sworn to not leak them (that would be most of them, sure). This is probably the #1 reason for abject lack of publicity-available info about where planes can fly. Now you are gonna ask, “aren’t they gonna figure out anyways with FR24”? Yes, but they seriously hunt down people who run ADS-B and maritime AIS receivers at home with Cold War charges. Many HAM groups have distanced themselves from this perfectly altruistic activity out of fear. Tying onto the previous GCJ-02 episode, there is actually a map regulation controlling what airports you can show on a map. Again incredibly masturbatory: it’s right there! Airports are designed to be seen from the sky, so satellites are gonna see em!
This is a bit like old Ordnance Survey maps in the UK. Military bases and other sensitive sites would show a blank white space with an outline but no text. I think we did this up until the early 20th century, when aerial photography became possible. Of course the fact that the blank space, often with urban areas around stood out like a sore thumb didn't help. I live near a naval base and the old maps I've seen show the outline of the land by the harbour, with straight lines that are obviously manmade wharves and docks. I've no doubt the French navy knew as much about what was going on as anyone living near the base!
@@musaran2 Pretty much, and it's in every strata of their government right now, explaining to folks that the surge in the CCP re-regulating all their industries is hard since most folks can't fathom the idea of a government being THAT controlling and paranoid.
@@musaran2 the thing is many Chinese people like parental behaviour from the government. Whenever things go wrong, people blame the government for not doing things about it. So the government just ended up taking over more and more random stuff with the people pleased of ‘finally, a competent government that would do something’
Chinese here. The reason why our airway system is like this is because our government is really sensitive about geographical information, and dont want foreign entities to get a hold of China's landscape layout. The map you see on Google Maps is actually provided by government backed companies. Those coordinates are skewed several hundered meters. You can still use gps navigation in China l, because there're servers that run secret algoritms to convert real world coordinates to skewed coordinates. Only government has the accurate geographic data. There's a bit of history involved in why our government goes about such length to protect geo data. Years before WWII, Japan's government began mapping China's vast landscape in preparation for war to occupy China. Some say that began 50 years before WWII when Japan finally eexecuted their plan. Nowadays, protecting geo data is mainly to protect us from precision air strikes.
What happens if a plane in China calls mayday? Does China scramble fighter jets to escort the civilian plane as it flies in restricted airspace? Are they expected to handle emergency in a narrow corridor?
from the semi-documentary movie 中国机长, the mayday is reported to the air force, and they give civil aviation authority temporary jursidiction over any airspace needed, and pull out any units doing training there. After the emergency is resolved the air force resumes control. If the military needed that airspace for actual warfare, well then I have no clue.
The sponsor message for this one has me convinced that the sole purpose of HAI from the beginning was for Sam to produce an extremely long, somewhat subtle infomercial for Storyblocks' stock footage/picture services.
For me, the trouble caused by a delayed flight is far less annoying than losing my luggage. I would rather my flight be delayed than have all my necessities left behind at the last airport when I take such a long flight to my destination. What surprised me even more is that this incident is very common for flights other than Chinese flights, and it is impossible for this incident to happen in China. I took Turkish Airlines from Beijing last year and transferred in Istanbul for two hours to Edinburgh. However, my two 23kg luggage were forgotten in Turkey. There were six of my classmates who were traveling with me. We had a total of 12 suitcases, but we only got three when we arrived. I waited a week and made countless customer service calls for my suitcase to be delivered to my apartment. And I was forced to buy a lot of things that I didn't need to buy because of I don't have my suitcases. Even though I applied for these expenses to Turkish Airlines, they did not reimburse me. When I returned to China from the UK, I chose another two-hour connecting flight, but this time I chose China Southern Airlines, and this time my luggage arrived on time. I never want to fly from other countries after this.
avoid transferring at eg. CDG Paris or BUD Budapest as well. Both known in Europe for stealing from luggage or just simply using luggage. They get away with it due to a mix of people having good travel insurance and police being in on it.
@@TheGamingAlong didn’t the project get canceled after all the backlash they got around the world? Same for the artificial moon they tried a few years ago.
This is legitimately the first time I said, "Wow, I need to check out the sponsor ASAP", when I watched a UA-cam video to kill time. I definitely want to find out more about where you get the great stock video clips you use. That sounds sarcastic, but I actually have been impressed over the years because I know it is not easy to get a wide variety of stock video.
fun fact: the footage of the roller coaster seen at 0:37 is a ride called "Freedom Flyer". Making the stock footage a Easter egg in a video with a stock footage sponsor is definitely a next level joke.
1:56 just googled it and that waypoint is in Florida Just saying, as an Alabamian, those jokes got reeeeeeeeeal old a long time ago, so it’s worth noting that one isn’t even ours 😂
I live in the Disney no-fly zone! Some guy flew a drone around when that whole craze started and had to turn it over for it and its recordings to be checked.
Great video although I shouldn’t have left the space tourism Bezos joke aside 2:54 as many of us subscribers who have interests in aviation and aerospace usually often have interests in space too!
That’s why, where possible, we prefer to use China’s amazing high speed rail network. If I need to go from Shanghai to Beijing (1,067km or 663 miles in a straight line) for example, I can get there is just over 4 hours on the high speed rail, as opposed to an hour taxi to the airport at each end, two hour prior arrival at the airport including security and waiting, and a 1.5 hour flight that will probably be delayed if I fly.
Delta had a 747 that got stuck in a hailstorm in China while flying and couldn’t divert away from it. That plane ended up getting retired earlier than planned.
Actually, the edge of space the end of national atmospheric jurisdiction is the Karman Line. It is the elevation at which aerodynamic flight becomes practically impossible due to the almost non-existent air density. Essentially every country in the world except the US recognises this boundary.
@@Stevie-J is it though? Erdoğan keeps lowering interest rates with 16+% inflation and firing anyone who tried to increase the rate to control inflation.
@@Rkcuddles just cos erdogan is dumb. doesn’t mean chinas air policy’s isn’t either. also a pretty bad comparison to make seeing as erdogan is also an authoritarian
Worth pointing out that Disney's private no-fly-zone is not from the surface to the underside of Bezos' orbiting lair. It's only up to 3,000 feet which is fairly silly unless you use a magic umbrella to fly.
Anyone who has taken a flight in China knows how frustrating it is to take a flight there. I would say 9/10 flights I've taken have been delayed. My friends who always seemed to pass through Shanghai would get marooned there for a night because flights would just get delayed for so long that they end up cancelled until the next day. I would often arrive places hours after I was supposed to arrive. Flying in China is a 3/10 experience. I just like that all the airlines give free meals, even on domestic short haul flights, and the airlines have a good track record of almost no accidents. Also the joke written in the sky was really funny!
@@duyataksis5210 I love HSR. I would take it from Chongqing to Chengdu all the time. But there is no HSR to the US, which is why we had to fly through Shanghai, Beijing, or Guangzhou ;)
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It is a pain to travel by air in China because of this, and they reason they use is "流量控制“ or traffic control. People seem to get used to it. I always travel by train. Travel-wise, China is not that big, since most big cities are a limited space in the east, and you can get to most cities in less than 5 hours by train.
That was thoroughly informing and soooooo entertaining, thanks for brightening up my afternoon and making me laugh very loudly. Thanks, I'm a long time sub
I have been flying across chinese airspace on a regular basis on international flights. Controllers are rude and disregard Air Safety totally particularly when deviations are needed for severe weather. I have not shied away from picking verbal fights with them and they know my voice. The point is : ATC cannot vector you into harms way and you have to be stubborn and remind them that an aircraft captain has the right to do anything he needs to maintain a safe flight!
After watching the video one big question pop's up in my mind. Is there a situation in China that from city to city it will be faster with the bullet trains then with the planes? I think yes and that's why they are not fixing the airspace problems, and because they want people to use the more reliable solution which is trains for inland travel in China. And with trains the tickets are cheaper. A follow up video for this will be cool❤️
Trains may actually be faster for short to medium-distance, once you take into account commute between home and train station (and at the destination too), and lead time for airport check-in.
i took many planes and trains within china. there is literally no reason to take a plane where high speed train connections exist. they're very, very good train connections. the way those lines were built are questionable (i've seen it with my own eyes), but they are good
Props for making the air trail joke readable and natural in the native language. Few people who wrote easter eggs in Chinese managed to do that.
Care to translate for us non-capable people?
@@gieser "Please tell people in the comment section that this joke is very funny"
@@bakachocolate Lol that's a good one
Since when Chinese use "portion" to call comment section/area?
@@bakachocolate thank you!
Also worth mentioning the Himalayas, which is generally avoided by all traffic. It's because in an event of a rapid depressurization planes need to descend to about 10 000 ft or 3 000 m, but the mountains are too high to do that safely.
Not just the Himalayas, but the entire Tibetan Plateau. Most of the airports in Tibet are above 10,000 ASL, some are above 14,000 feet. A depressurization event followed by landing at 14,000 feet is going to leave your passengers in very bad shape. Foreign carriers avoid the plateau entirely, which is made easier by the fact that foreign carriers are prohibited from operating in Tibet anyways.
Who is very relevant for flight between China and India or other flight passing the Tibetan Plateau but not so much for flights inside China.
That sounds like a recent video! I forgot which channel did it.
@@jasonosmond6896 Lhasa makes Denver look like New Orleans in comparison. And I live in Denver.
I remember Toncontín in Tegucigalpa several times. I love mountains.
laughed so hard at the airplane doing a chinese phrase
the phrase actually means
"this joke is funny"
"Please tell people in the comment section that this joke is really funny."
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@@alunesh12345 hahaaahahahaha that's a good joke mate
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When flying domestic in China, you get delayed by the fact air traffic control is indeed controlled by the military but also the fact that they there is a hierarchy to which flights go first: international first, then flights to Beijing, then flights to other larger cities, then the rest... And then it depends on the airline. Some airlines like Spring airlines which is super budget seems to be making money by selling some of its takeoff slots to other more premium airlines. Airlines least likely to be delayed are Hainan and Juneyao. Also never take last flight of the day if you can avoid it
Also, Beijing gives priority to Air China flights, typically because many important individuals in China fly with Air China, and the airport needed to ensure their schedule first.
Yes, that's why more people prefer taking high speed trains nowadays, even if it takes about 4-5 hours from Beijing to Shanghai, compared to 1.5-2 hours flight.
@@HM-he1ob Often HSR is much faster when u include the hassle of going through airport and security check ins
they should replace the wavy airpaths with closing the passenger windows when flying over restricted places. airplane staff are trusted to keep quiet about such places.
@@SamSitar honestly if you have something you want to hide you shouldn't entrust random people with it. that's the key to keeping something a secret
Lived in Shanghai for several years. Taking the high speed train was sometimes shorter than the flight, even though the plane should be more than twice as fast. The train stations are much more centrally located, have less security theatre/wait times, and are not often delayed. Flights on the other hand, almost never took off on time. 30 min delay was a good delay. I'd sometimes sit on the plane for 2hrs before it would take off, then it would be another 2hrs+ to get to Beijing. Definitely made flying way worse than it had to be.
I've taken dozens of flights out of Shanghai and I somehow always end up arriving at the airport at the departure time and yet I've never missed a flight. The ticket counter always gave me shit for being so late, but you work here, dont you know your dang flights rarely depart on time?
Airports are usually located far from city centers, further than many train stations, so that's a factor too.
I flew often for work. After 9/11 almost all US flights added 15 to 45 minutes to their schedules to make them look good as being on time.
Did you say security theater?
What i find interesting here, is that even if diesel powered, transporting those people by high speed train instead of plane is more ecological
Convoluted air space in China makes high speed train lines more popular.
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Also, trains are more effecient, thus cheaper.
Holy shit I thought you were taken prisoner in NK, as you haven't uploaded since your trip there and documentary.
@@godfather7339 the bad routes of planes in China help trains alot
4:11 fast forward to Q2 2022 and our fight routes look exactly like that... again D:
Now it all adds up I never understood why china is so keen on making all the fast-moving trains and how they are so profitable compared to cross-country flights.
Same here bro. Typically there is a lot more infrastructure costs for trains to maintain ad clear snow of the tracks mean while airplanes just have fuel as the cost. BTw YOU CHANNEL IS SO UNDER RATED SUBBED.
Clever - love the multiple accounts to jumpstart the channel.
They're also really cheap to encourage people to use it
Well actually many of the Chinese high speed lines are losing lots of money, especially the longer ones, which are more of a political tool, to force integration of minorities with the Han Chinese by making these far flung places better connected. The line from Beijing to Urumqi doesn't even make enough money to cover the cost of the electricity.
Neither are profitable
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Glad someone recognizes Florida for what it is.
I’m a pilot working in China, in fact some of those military airspace are sometimes open to civilian aircrafts, if there’s no military activity in side that airspace, or sometimes even there is on going military activity, it’s still negotiable, the civil aviation ATC will negotiate with military controllers. Sometimes they approve sometimes they don’t. The biggest inconvenience for me is the open time of those airspace is not transparent, the ATC or some departments of the operators may sometimes know the plan of their military activity, but we as pilots most of the time aren’t able to get those information, thus adjust our expectations or even flight plans. I’ve been flying in France for 1-2 years and they have a lot of restricted airspace too, some of those are military airspace, but their pilots are able to know the exact time of opening or closure of those airspace through the NOTAMs, which we don’t have here in China. I kind of get it that is to protect their military secrets, but for me this is really causing inconvenience & threats, sometimes even danger, to civil aviation here.
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isn’t your flight plan made based the planned route? I don’t see how not knowing the military schedule will jeopardize your flight safety?
@@leoleoleoliao4413those planned routes would be planned around to avoid those air space as the open times of the airspace isn't transparent, so if the airspace is open they would go through those air space as it will be faster than to flying around those airspace
@@junw8336 actually when those airspace are open, the ATC will instruct them to go through. That is what I do in my work. So transparency won’t be a major problem.
ITSUX is my favourite five letter designated waypoint. It’s somewhere over the North Sea on the boundary of Scottish and Danish airspace.
If I ran the FAA, I'd make an ILS waypoint "FUKKD." Better yet, the back course; then ATC could say "Delta 431, report 'FUKKD' for the back course."
URADK for me
@@bcubed72 I imagine there might be FOAKD "First of a kind"
Just don't get too close to waypoint CRASH.
@@asliceofcheese9989 BALZZ
I actually loved the ad at the end. I've long suspected this channel was just a bet to see how much stock footage you could use but I was a bit off. Real power move by the sponsor though, lol.
Agree, it's among the best fitting product placement/ads in the history of UA-cam
Yeah that's so badass and I was wondering where it is all coming from I know alot of channels do this it's cool with me
I'd rather stare at a chart, diagram, or even a public domain photo from Wikipedia than see boring, meaningless stock footage. The race to pump out content has caused video production quality to increase at the expense of real content.
@@DemPilafian go checkout wendover then. Sam is pretty cool, way better than this guy.
Okay, for the first time, I truly enjoyed the sponsored piece. Laughed out loud really! Good job!
The flight restriction over Disney ends at 3000 feet. It’s actually easy to fly over and see the fireworks
I did videos proving Pissney is of the devil.
@@scintillam_dei Literally a conspiracy theorist in the comments lol
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I think that it’s crazy how a single company has a no flight zone, also no respect for you for using the imperial system
@@remaks8405 Feet is universal when it comes to aviation. Every country uses feet for altitude with regards to aviation. Only a few countries like China, Russia and a few others use meters to measure altitude.
You’ll certainly hear the announcement “the flight xxx is cancelled/delayed due to air traffic control” at all airports, that’s really common and happens all the time at all airports I’ve been to in China
Who would have thought that the routes mentioned from the Cold War would have to go into effect again only a month after that video was released.
Yes the joke at 4:43 was indeed very amusing
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Dang that was an interesting joke
@@GhastlyHunger in the context of a joke, 有趣 means “amusing” rather than “interesting”
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请在评论部分告诉人们这个笑话很有趣
Translated: Please tell people this joke is funny in the comments section
I'm convinced that this was originally a serious Wendover project but then they realized they can have more fun by doing it on the HAI channel...
I agree
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This reply section is just funny lmao
I get bored to death by Wendover
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I traveled to China in 2019 and it's certainly gotten better. Many disused military airports have been converted to civilian airports which has made connections to smaller cities a lot more easier.
Still quite sketchy in my opinion, but last time I did domestic travel in China was 2016.
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Someone talking about weird flight patterns....
London Stansted: Allow me to introduce myself.
@@OkarinHououinKyouma Ikr but it felt nice
@@Stevie-J what a weird take -- you need to be quiet and let the grown ups talk
I went to China in 2012 and in 2017. Both times there were minor and major delays waiting for planes. The shortest delay was 1 hour. The longest delay was 4 hours. The 4 hour one was such a pain because they kept saying they had to move which gate it was going to be at, but wouldn't say which one.
It's the same in the US airport. Delay and cancelled flight all the time. The worst is United Airlines.
Have a try for Chinese high speed train for under 600 miles travel
Fun fact: Until recently this meant the civil flight training was completely impossible, meaning that almost every commercial pilot in China is trained in either Australia, Europe or America. Including about 100 by me (all working for Sichuan or Eastern). Covid has, atleast for now put a stop to that.
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That's not completely true. Civil flight training is too expensive in China and normally sponsored by airline companies, As for individuals, they choose to train abroad which is cheaper.
@@DigitalAlligator The training abroad is all under contract with airlines. Indivdual training in China is also non existant.
Many Chinese pilots are trained in South Africa!
There are civil flight schools in China, my grand parents worked in one of them. But they can't handle the large demand.
4:43 the Chinese skywriting has asked me to tell the comments section that the joke is really funny
Thank you
Thanks :-)
Disneyland "We don't want any airplanes because there's no dream in flying"
Peter Pan "Really man?"
Actually it's Disney WORLD in Florida that has a NO-FLY ZONE (check "Midway to Mainstream" YT video on the subject), not the smaller Disneyland in Anaheim, CA.
Sam shot Mary Poppins out of the sky... (probably Peter Pan would've escaped as he's way faster)
@@syxepop *Main Street
Ummm... WDW Delta Dreamflight. . .
It’s literally in the name ;p
@@syxepop Disneyland also has a permanent tfr
I lived in Shanghai for a couple of years and can vouch for the terrible air passenger experience. A relative came out to visit me once and their flight was delayed by over 8 hours! Got diverted to Xiamen. Zero communication from the ground team.
Yeah there’s virtually no reason to ever take a plane over the train in China, flying in China is just the most miserable experience vs. trains in China being some of the best
The weirdest route I ever saw in China doing this was KLM Flight 807 from Amsterdam to Taipei Taoyuan, it enters China, fly all the way south to Hong Kong, then makes an almost complete u-turn to the north-east direction to Taipei, this was pre-covid era before KLM shuffled their Asia flights.
Also, note-worthy, if you fly from the Philippines to some parts of China, like Beijing and Shanghai, you always fly avoiding Taiwanese airspace.
Taiwan would shoot down planes directly coming across the strait.
It must have something to do with taiwan-china tension, they simply avoid conflicted area to not doing the same on a certain Malaysian airline shootdown in Ukraine.
Also China bans all Taiwan flights going to Europe, or the Middle East from flying directly over China because of the one nation policy. China claims since the flights are not starting from the mainland it is not possible for Taiwanese carriers like China Airlines and EVA Air to operate flight to Europe over China. Those airlines have to detour, fly further south or before the Russia invasion of Ukraine go above, into Russian territory and then down to Europe.
By regulation, if you are flying from / through Mainland China to Taiwan, you can only exit airspace controlled by PRC via either Shanghai FIR (Flight Information Region) or Hong Kong FIR.
That's why, even for flights between Fuzhou and Taipei, which are just across the strait, you have to fly north towards Shanghai, enter Shanghai FIR, before turning east into Taipei FIR.
News about one month ago. China is opening up one more north-south path over the sea. It is like a main highway in the air and they are giving it one more lane. It is east of all the lanes we had, and closer to taiwan island. So I guess it may have been about tensions, and now we are taking a step at a time. Also I think there is defined paths where planes enter and exit these main lanes, like ramps, thats why sometimes you see a plane fly east a bit to get on the lane and west to exit. that is not the straightest path, but the airspace would be too crowded without doing this.
The most direct flight was this video's segue into their advertising segment.
Fun fact: the DUMMY waypoint at 1:47 is a real waypoint over Central Georgia.
So's INBRD
We have FAPIN in california
BGDDY pronounced “Big Daddy” somewhere near Tennessee
Say it on the r/flying subreddit
Atlanta has tons of inside joke names: SITTH, JJEDI, HOBTT, GNDLF, it goes on, especially if you like sports.
Outside Brisbane, Australia are waypoints LEAKY, BOATS and SIINK.
0:17. I'm convinced. I am pausing the video and I am going to devote the next 3-9 months to get a pilot's licence. Wish me luck.
Good luck
How's the hustle looking?
Damn, the joke that airplane wrote at 4:44 was hilarious!
What does it say?
@@NJX1 it translates to: "Please tell people that this joke is funny in the comment section"
Cnm
I'd love to see a video about Russia's new flight routes.
Check Wendover, you're welcome 😉
Circles?
During the 'Cold War' era and even beyond, some airlines flying in or close to US Airspace also had to take very specific, less direct routes. For example Cubana Airways operated a flight from Havana to Montreal. They had to be careful for over a certain area of NY State due to a US military base and missile site. If strayed into it, future flights would be suspended.
4:43 Translates to "Please tell people in the comment section this joke is very funny"
Original text for those who want to translate it themselves: 请在评论部分告诉人们这个笑话很有趣
"Divorce escape pod"
I love this channel.
You’ve been getting better at finding the balance between jokes recently. I felt like for a bit it was a bit too much sometimes, but more recently the balance has been a lot better.
Sad to say it's still way to immature jokey for me. The whole Alabama inbred thing was just 80's teenage cringe and incredibly painful as it dragged on and on.
There’s some more stuff that makes China’s airway restrictions even more absurd in places. To begin with, there are actually two classes of aeronautical charts for civilian use: one allowed for foreigners and one with more waypoints and airspace allowed for actual Chinese pilots who have sworn to not leak them (that would be most of them, sure). This is probably the #1 reason for abject lack of publicity-available info about where planes can fly.
Now you are gonna ask, “aren’t they gonna figure out anyways with FR24”? Yes, but they seriously hunt down people who run ADS-B and maritime AIS receivers at home with Cold War charges. Many HAM groups have distanced themselves from this perfectly altruistic activity out of fear.
Tying onto the previous GCJ-02 episode, there is actually a map regulation controlling what airports you can show on a map. Again incredibly masturbatory: it’s right there! Airports are designed to be seen from the sky, so satellites are gonna see em!
This is a bit like old Ordnance Survey maps in the UK. Military bases and other sensitive sites would show a blank white space with an outline but no text. I think we did this up until the early 20th century, when aerial photography became possible.
Of course the fact that the blank space, often with urban areas around stood out like a sore thumb didn't help. I live near a naval base and the old maps I've seen show the outline of the land by the harbour, with straight lines that are obviously manmade wharves and docks. I've no doubt the French navy knew as much about what was going on as anyone living near the base!
I thought they were control freaks.
Turns out is is full blown paranoïa.
Fancy seeing you here dude!
@@musaran2 Pretty much, and it's in every strata of their government right now, explaining to folks that the surge in the CCP re-regulating all their industries is hard since most folks can't fathom the idea of a government being THAT controlling and paranoid.
@@musaran2 the thing is many Chinese people like parental behaviour from the government. Whenever things go wrong, people blame the government for not doing things about it. So the government just ended up taking over more and more random stuff with the people pleased of ‘finally, a competent government that would do something’
Chinese here. The reason why our airway system is like this is because our government is really sensitive about geographical information, and dont want foreign entities to get a hold of China's landscape layout. The map you see on Google Maps is actually provided by government backed companies. Those coordinates are skewed several hundered meters. You can still use gps navigation in China l, because there're servers that run secret algoritms to convert real world coordinates to skewed coordinates. Only government has the accurate geographic data.
There's a bit of history involved in why our government goes about such length to protect geo data. Years before WWII, Japan's government began mapping China's vast landscape in preparation for war to occupy China. Some say that began 50 years before WWII when Japan finally eexecuted their plan. Nowadays, protecting geo data is mainly to protect us from precision air strikes.
one of the first thing i noticed on google earth , but countries that need to know the exact cord will get it regardless .. kinda pointless imo .
That is kinda silly, I think. Rest of the world gets by without this stuff
@@HalNordmann Rest of the world hasn't had 20 million of their countrymen massacred by the japanese military. Look it up.
A 3 hour 10 minute nap is one of the most perfect description for how I feel on planes.
The joke at 4:44 was fire 🔥
2:25 you messed up the order
As an air traffic controller, you did a great job with this episode. Great explanations about routes and waypoints.
POV - you're watching this on the same day a chinese flight crashed, because of the algorithm I suppose?
What happens if a plane in China calls mayday? Does China scramble fighter jets to escort the civilian plane as it flies in restricted airspace? Are they expected to handle emergency in a narrow corridor?
Woudn't be surprised either way
from the semi-documentary movie 中国机长, the mayday is reported to the air force, and they give civil aviation authority temporary jursidiction over any airspace needed, and pull out any units doing training there. After the emergency is resolved the air force resumes control. If the military needed that airspace for actual warfare, well then I have no clue.
A mayday will be ok. But say if you have thunder storm ahead, and you want to divert? No way!
In a Communist country, May Day is a time for celebration. Workers unite!
@@TheeGrumpy Wait what, I thought mayday was some kind of airline disaster?
The sponsor message for this one has me convinced that the sole purpose of HAI from the beginning was for Sam to produce an extremely long, somewhat subtle infomercial for Storyblocks' stock footage/picture services.
Ah yes, the strange flight routs during the cold war, glad we are past that nonsence
Yeah lol, I went straight to checking the time this video was posted after that bit :D
For me, the trouble caused by a delayed flight is far less annoying than losing my luggage. I would rather my flight be delayed than have all my necessities left behind at the last airport when I take such a long flight to my destination. What surprised me even more is that this incident is very common for flights other than Chinese flights, and it is impossible for this incident to happen in China. I took Turkish Airlines from Beijing last year and transferred in Istanbul for two hours to Edinburgh. However, my two 23kg luggage were forgotten in Turkey. There were six of my classmates who were traveling with me. We had a total of 12 suitcases, but we only got three when we arrived. I waited a week and made countless customer service calls for my suitcase to be delivered to my apartment. And I was forced to buy a lot of things that I didn't need to buy because of I don't have my suitcases. Even though I applied for these expenses to Turkish Airlines, they did not reimburse me. When I returned to China from the UK, I chose another two-hour connecting flight, but this time I chose China Southern Airlines, and this time my luggage arrived on time. I never want to fly from other countries after this.
avoid transferring at eg. CDG Paris or BUD Budapest as well. Both known in Europe for stealing from luggage or just simply using luggage. They get away with it due to a mix of people having good travel insurance and police being in on it.
I was told about Chinese airspace by pilot friends in Hong Kong years ago, but this was a cool detailed explanation about that, thank you.
cant wait for them to make visible plane roads
They did, it's called high speed railway system.
We already have plain roads. On the plains.
@@Carewolf plane highways would be so much cooler though
They made artificial sun, pretty sure this one is possible for them
@@TheGamingAlong didn’t the project get canceled after all the backlash they got around the world? Same for the artificial moon they tried a few years ago.
Aaaand now the flight path to Tokyo is the same as during Cold War
"my SAM site operators' fingers get a little twitchy when there's too many planes around."
- a base commander between waypoints A and B
I am not kidding when for a split second, I thought the clip of the roller coaster at 0:38 was a shot of a plane going through a roller coaster 😂
This is legitimately the first time I said, "Wow, I need to check out the sponsor ASAP", when I watched a UA-cam video to kill time. I definitely want to find out more about where you get the great stock video clips you use. That sounds sarcastic, but I actually have been impressed over the years because I know it is not easy to get a wide variety of stock video.
The fact that we get free documentaries on UA-cam by Half as Interesting is truly a gift. 👍👍👍
"Suggestively-shaped divorce-escape pod" is something I will take with me to the grave.
China's "civilian weather balloon" gets through all that without anyone noticing 😂 4:34
Congrats on reaching 2 Million subs HAI guy! I'm sure you and the Wendover guy are celebrating this moment!
I DID pause the video and DID take 9 months to get a pilots license, thanks a lot RLL
fun fact: the footage of the roller coaster seen at 0:37 is a ride called "Freedom Flyer". Making the stock footage a Easter egg in a video with a stock footage sponsor is definitely a next level joke.
1:56 just googled it and that waypoint is in Florida
Just saying, as an Alabamian, those jokes got reeeeeeeeeal old a long time ago, so it’s worth noting that one isn’t even ours 😂
This popped after the CES flight crash is eerie
I think it is due to the new law, meaning that all planes have to skywrite "We love Xi" every 30 minutes...
I love the use of the "ghost" from Scooby-do and the Boo Brothers.
“During the Cold War” … oh here we go again 😂
I live in the Disney no-fly zone! Some guy flew a drone around when that whole craze started and had to turn it over for it and its recordings to be checked.
Great video although I shouldn’t have left the space tourism Bezos joke aside 2:54 as many of us subscribers who have interests in aviation and aerospace usually often have interests in space too!
"Suggestively shaped divorce escape pod" is probably the funniest string of words I will hear this year.
The airplane trail joke is sooo good
That’s why, where possible, we prefer to use China’s amazing high speed rail network. If I need to go from Shanghai to Beijing (1,067km or 663 miles in a straight line) for example, I can get there is just over 4 hours on the high speed rail, as opposed to an hour taxi to the airport at each end, two hour prior arrival at the airport including security and waiting, and a 1.5 hour flight that will probably be delayed if I fly.
Im a victim of UA-cam's sick sense of algorithm
Wow this aged well
Hai is going to hit 2 million
4:42 “please tell people in the comments section that this joke is funny”
😅😂🤣
4:08 Little did you know that *cold war II* was about to make flights look like that again...
Delta had a 747 that got stuck in a hailstorm in China while flying and couldn’t divert away from it. That plane ended up getting retired earlier than planned.
2:49 you are now my favorite you youtuber 😂
The ending is the first ever UA-cam ad in human history that has been actually useful and interesting in some way
This is like Wendover Productions but with the humour setting cranked up to 100.
Actually, the edge of space the end of national atmospheric jurisdiction is the Karman Line. It is the elevation at which aerodynamic flight becomes practically impossible due to the almost non-existent air density. Essentially every country in the world except the US recognises this boundary.
Kármán line
@@9HighFlyer9 That explains why the web search didn't pan out. I thought I remembered the name, but I only ever heard it spoken.
@@ckl9390 I figured you were using voice to text
You missed it. China is trying to encourage train travel by slowing down air travel
@@Stevie-J is it though? Erdoğan keeps lowering interest rates with 16+% inflation and firing anyone who tried to increase the rate to control inflation.
@@Rkcuddles how does Erdogan relate to China’s policy on Air Travel?
@@walterbeeson542 was just saying there are dumber things to the previous commenter
@@Rkcuddles just cos erdogan is dumb. doesn’t mean chinas air policy’s isn’t either. also a pretty bad comparison to make seeing as erdogan is also an authoritarian
Worth pointing out that Disney's private no-fly-zone is not from the surface to the underside of Bezos' orbiting lair. It's only up to 3,000 feet which is fairly silly unless you use a magic umbrella to fly.
"Divorce escape pod” omg 💀😂 2:54
Every time I see a video with stock footage, well, I am only half as interested.
2:44 The Karman Line, 100km (66Mi) ASL
4:43 as a mandarin native speaker I was told to let you guys know that this joke is very funny
No one cares. Nerd.
@@clvrswine sure sure
Anyone who has taken a flight in China knows how frustrating it is to take a flight there. I would say 9/10 flights I've taken have been delayed. My friends who always seemed to pass through Shanghai would get marooned there for a night because flights would just get delayed for so long that they end up cancelled until the next day. I would often arrive places hours after I was supposed to arrive. Flying in China is a 3/10 experience. I just like that all the airlines give free meals, even on domestic short haul flights, and the airlines have a good track record of almost no accidents.
Also the joke written in the sky was really funny!
It’s all fine if the delay’s less than 2h! At least back when I still took planes.
You and your friend played yourselves when you didn't take the HSR. N00b move.
@@duyataksis5210 I love HSR. I would take it from Chongqing to Chengdu all the time. But there is no HSR to the US, which is why we had to fly through Shanghai, Beijing, or Guangzhou ;)
2 Million!!!!! Yes! You deserve it! It's been 1.99 for so long!
Careful, Mr. Wendover might beat you up for muscling in on his territory, HAI-guy.
Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. GOD loves you soo much unconditionally.😍😚😘
COLD WAR FLIGHTS ARE BACK BABY
It is a pain to travel by air in China because of this, and they reason they use is "流量控制“ or traffic control. People seem to get used to it. I always travel by train. Travel-wise, China is not that big, since most big cities are a limited space in the east, and you can get to most cities in less than 5 hours by train.
That was thoroughly informing and soooooo entertaining, thanks for brightening up my afternoon and making me laugh very loudly. Thanks, I'm a long time sub
You're a longtime subhuman?
I love the air trail joke😂. “Please tell people in the comments that this is an interesting joke”
"Mouse themed swamp" is a perfect description of Disney World
Text at 4:43 says “请在评论都分告诉人们这个笑话很有趣” Please tell all the people in the comments section that this joke is funny.
You're welcome.
I wonder if higher fuel costs will change these routes. You'd think they would be saving fuel reserves.
Flew from Shanghai to nyc once with a layover in Chongqing - would love a video explaining why they did this route
Because you paid for a budget ticket so they wanted to pick up passengers in Chongqing
"Mouse themes swamp." Is the best description of Disney world I've ever heard.
“Mouse themed swamp” 🤣🤣🤣
I have been flying across chinese airspace on a regular basis on international flights. Controllers are rude and disregard Air Safety totally particularly when deviations are needed for severe weather. I have not shied away from picking verbal fights with them and they know my voice. The point is : ATC cannot vector you into harms way and you have to be stubborn and remind them that an aircraft captain has the right to do anything he needs to maintain a safe flight!
After watching the video one big question pop's up in my mind. Is there a situation in China that from city to city it will be faster with the bullet trains then with the planes?
I think yes and that's why they are not fixing the airspace problems, and because they want people to use the more reliable solution which is trains for inland travel in China. And with trains the tickets are cheaper.
A follow up video for this will be cool❤️
There are many cases where taking a bullet train is faster. I don’t know how much that contributes to not fixing the airspace though.
Trains may actually be faster for short to medium-distance, once you take into account commute between home and train station (and at the destination too), and lead time for airport check-in.
Worth mentioning that these trains are extremely subsidised and lose the government millions of dollars equivalent per day
i took many planes and trains within china. there is literally no reason to take a plane where high speed train connections exist. they're very, very good train connections. the way those lines were built are questionable (i've seen it with my own eyes), but they are good
chinese propaganda moment
Moscow-Kalingrad flights have an interesting route now, the detour is quite significant.
I assume via Petersburg over the Baltic sea?
Congrats on two million subs! This has been a long time in the waiting, glad to be around to see it.
Congrats on 2 million subscribers!