Moe full length clinic demonstration 1997 PGA Show - Orlando
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2017
- This was the first time I ever got to see Moe hit golf balls. This was filmed with the permission of Moe Norman. The quality is poor in many places in the video. I only planned to shoot the video so that I could learn Moe's secrets, not so I could post it on UA-cam, which did not exist back then.
Based on my more than 20+ years experience in learning from Moe, studying his swing, and teaching it I personally do not believe it to be a good idea to exactly copy Moe's golf swing. That is why I developed my Setup 4 Impact golf method. With the main goal being to help people improve as quickly as possible.
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Nice to see Moe in his element and really enjoying talking to all, great to hear and see 😊
What a legend! Thanks for the video! Won’t be any more Moe’s…..one of a kind.
This is beautiful. Moe and music in perfect harmony. Well done Kirk. Fabulous.
Thanks Kirk!Super video,from different angles. 😊
This is a great video of Moe explaining his grip perfectly! Thank you!
He is hitting that fw wood like a machine, same consistent swing, smooth but powerful hands sweeping through the ball...what a legend!
Beautiful video. Music perfect. Sad to know that Mo is gone.
Even if I didn't play golf, I'd be enjoying listening to Moe's honesty. At no point is he bragging. If it was shit, he would tell you.
I love that he also liked Tom Watson’s swing.
I love his confidence, he knew where the ball was going awesomeness I wish I played golf when I was young I would have gone to watch him hit.
He was fun to watch. A real entertainer.
@@Setup4Impact more entertainer than golfer.
240 carry guys can't even do that now with modern equipment he's almost 70. He's swing enables longevity. His swing is so easy to get 145-150 yard 8 irons and 250+ carry on a driver with consistency and way less effort than modern teachers. Not the longest hitter myself but 250 carry and solid straight ball flights. 7 iron goes 165 so its plenty effective im only 5,8 170
That's all you need man...I can hit it long and my.game severely suffered, I finally swallowed pride and stopped trying to kill it...I can hit my 7 190ish, but it's now my 160 club and my.games.never been better...for amateurs, you dont.need that much distance
He sure kept the right foot down during the swing.
Thank you for posting this Kirk Junge. In my opinion anyway its really disgusting that many of Moe's video's have been hijacked or disallowed by Todd Graves. You did a great job filming this from the different angles and the close ups.
What do you mean disallowed by Todd aren’t you free to post here
song around 5 minute mark?
Great
It looks like Moe is using every club in his bag as broomsticks as I literally see him sweeping his ball off the ground straight to his target with his right hand. ( not scooping; but sweeping) The lagging of his club behind his hands permits him to do this.
I know with my own double pendulum swing at age 74 the task of sweeping my ball off the ground with my trail hand works perfectly for me as well. Cheers
Instead of a "whip", on face-on views, it looks like he is almost punching foward and down with his trail arm to preserve wrist angles. Wonering if you see that as well.
I think the whipping motion with less hip rotation leads to early release since the elbow is behind the trail hip. The pushing motion gets his hands leading at impact and delivers the desired shaft-lean for clean impact.
@@lawbinson Moe also said he feels like he is brushing his golf club along the ground. On another video he said he felt he was swinging the club forward with his left arm. I suppose as the golf club was naturally lagging behind bending his right hand back that would give him a the long brushing or sweeping motion of his hands that I see
Mike Austin said their is only one correct way the hands and wrist can move the golf club and this is through the action of the golfers shoulders. I think Moe instinctively found this out for himself after hitting thousands of ball.
Just my opinion. We all have one don’t we? 😃❤️👍⛳️
@@lawbinson According to him, he is not pushing with his right hand (trail hand) but pulling with his left.
@@thomasfraser9072 According to him, he said he hit 4 million balls. I worked it out mathematically and I believe him. He's 68 in this video and hits balls one after another like its nothing. I've watched a dozen videos of him doing this.
@@thomasfraser9072 CORRECT. Moe swung with his Left Arm. Try it.
His swing is actually really easy I'm trying it and I found out that grip is important make sure that every club you use you start by
1 lay the club down how it wants
to sit natural
2 now take your lead hand and put the club shaft in line with your lead leg while bent over at the hips this will show you if your lead wrist is bent.
3 now put the club back in center of you and grab the club with the outer hand your back hand put it in the club in the lifeline of your hand now this whole thing about side tilt and shoulder in the turn you already have that once you grip it.
4 now you have a wide stance feet just past knees. Arms stretched out confterbly and in line with shaft knees are straight and you are bent over towards the ball .
5 now the club shaft has an angle regardless who set the angle or if it's manufactured that don't matter what does matter is that club shafts angle itself you because your going the swing the club at the angle of that club shaft angle and to swing it all you do it take you back hand if you left handed like me it's your left arm for rights it's right arm draw the club back with back arm at the elbow around your ribcage your lead hand will follow it and cock the the lead hand wrist naturaly draw the around but don't over do it the club shaft needs only to be at 90 degrees so club is now points to the sky. Your front will bend on its own don't worry about that now swing the club and don't turn your hips and shoulders or head untill you have made contact with the ball the ball will be away from your club it's mostly forward to center of your lead leg so split the difference and that's good enough then you can play it and decide your want the ball to do and also make sure you always keep the back hand under the shaft always no matter what you do then you go through the cubles you have a discover how to control it and add more turn and knee extension but just don't try to kill the ball if you do you can't do it just like my dad use to say when driving take her easy and go from there. You may not think we'll it's not so powerful well it might be but it's straight and how you apply the power is how .
I noticed watching this video again, at 21:40, he says "Here again, 290." Just before that he was saying something about 290 but I couldn't make out exactly what he was saying.
Pretty effortless swing especially considering he was 68 years of age (in 1997). Must have been before his heart attack. Definitely not trying to kill the ball with all his might.
Moe was known to say a lot of things that were not actually what was happening. There was nobody there measuring the drivers, but I would estimate that they were flying about 240 yards. Hard to tell without measuring though. This is still pretty far for Moe’s age at the time.
@@Setup4Impact That's an estimate of yours because that is what you think. I did a longgg comment a year or so ago where I quoted what they were saying on the videos because you don't have a tracker and all like they do now. But they knew how far he was hitting the ball. I probably can't locate without a lot of effort but suffice it to say, from the videos, not from estimates or the idea that Moe was just some regular 68 year old duffer out there, he hit the ball 300 yards. Best ball striker of all time.
I didn't know he gripped the club along the left thumb.
Hands just hold the club. Mow Norman
that is the worst grass I have ever seen too... looks like a polo field. He was so good man!
“I’ll bet anybody $100 I’ll hit one pin a round”
Interesting that his divots all exit left
Finally A Moe Norman video that Graves can’t say he owns.
Careful what you say!!! Don't want you to get in trouble. LOL
@27:12 I'm only 5' 7". Here's 300 (yards). 68 years old.
Watch Micah Morris, he has a youtube channel. 5' 8" and hits the ball 300 yards plus with a great deal more effort than Moe Norman at 68 or 70 or 71.
Moe hit it around 230 to 240 yards in the air when I was watching him which is pretty darn good for his age. Micah Morris plays conventionally and uses his body far more efficiently than Moe did. Moe was the master at hitting straight golf shots.
@@Setup4Impact I've watched a lot of Micah's videos. Hits the ball routinely over 300 yards. But, at 27, he's putting a lot more effort into his swing than Moe Norman. One thing I notice watching Moe's exhibitions is that you can't really tell the difference between a 180 yard 4 iron or a 250 yard drive. Or a 300 yard drive.
One other point I would make is about human nature. The worst thing you could do at an exhibition is say, before you swing the club, that you are going to hit it 300 yards. If you don't come close, they will shout it from the roof tops. This guy is full of crap!
I would disagree that Moe is not as efficient using his body than Micah or any tour pro. Seeing is believing. And, if Micah is more efficient then why is it that he often doesn't hit the fairway or hit it where he wants to hit it on a fairway?
I remember, being curious about Tiger Woods and how he was doing, maybe 10 years ago, not sure how long, Tiger could not find the fair way. He hit it long but off to the left and off to the right. This was well before the last car accident he had. He has come around. In July 2022, he hit the fairway almost every time and hit it long almost every time. If you're not using your body efficiently or your fundamental golf swing is not very efficient or is inconsistent, then you will have big problems hitting a 300+/- drive and keep it on the fair way. The old man could do it essentially every time.
I agree with Moe's mocking of many pros, a lot of wasted effort. I haven't golfed for 15 years. I was buying into the idea that if you are older, you can't hit it as far. That may be for many people. I'm starting over on my golf swing and am trying the Single Plane Gold Swing. It makes more sense. We didn't have youtube and hundreds of golf pro teachers with channels showing you the best mechanics. If I knew that 50 years ago, I would have been hitting balls a lot further without any more effort. If I saw Moe Norman's videos and the Todd Graves teaching, I'd even be on the fair way most of the time.
I agree with the pro golfers. Moe Norman may have been the best golf striker in history.
@@robertbrown7470 Micah is creating a LOT more clubhead speed than Moe. He uses ground forces far more effectively than Moe did. Moe hit the ball straighter than everyone, but did not have much power. Everyone laughed when he said “here’s 300 yards”, because it was nowhere near that. Get Micah setup on his impact plane and he would hit more fairways, and still hit it far.
@@Setup4Impact One thing is for sure, Micah is putting a lot more effort into his swing than Moe Norman in his late 60's and early 70's. And not often not hitting the ball where he wants to. Just saying. But that has to do with the type of swing and so forth. What difference does it make with club speed, ball speed etc. and not hit it where you want to. Norman hits it where he wants to nearly every time with distance.
Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed with Micah. I'm sure if he wants to go Pro he could do it, will have to work on his short game and so forth. Doesn't need to hit it any further. Needs more work on hitting the drive where he wants to. That's the big difference I see in Moe Norman's golf swing and most of the pros. Even at 65 to 72 years of age where most of these guys are 20 to 30 years younger trying to kill the ball and often not having much accuracy.
How does lack of accuracy translate into more efficient?
@@Setup4Impact I started golfing in the early 70's had one professional lesson on irons that was pretty good. But no one had the knowledge and tools like we do now and a great deal of it is on UA-cam. So after 15 years of not golfing I'm seriously going to try the Single Plane Golf Swing method since I have to start over on my swing anyway.
If Moe Norman didn't have the social problems he grew up with, I think we would be seeing a large percentage of pro's teaching his method.
I think he would have been the Tiger Woods of his era with far more accuracy at least on his drives and probably approach shots.
But he didn't have the social skills that most people have for various reasons. If you've read the book about his life and golf you know what I'm talking about.
Without those impediments he certainly would have been on the US PGA Tour and would have kicked butt probably like no one has ever seen. It's kind of like watching the Babe Ruth of golf that never made it to the big time due to non-golf reasons.
I want to hear Moe talking, not background music.
Sorry, but when this was filmed the cameras were not very good. See my 2001 video and you can hear him better.
Moe's video just like all UFO footages, always blurry and moving, and every "Moe's student" don't know what he is doing. I download every videos of Moe and use VLC player replay it frame by frame, trying to get some clues , still fail ,8 years from now.
Yeah me and my brother joke all the time about that. Still to this day have seen his ball flight maybe twice, and just a glimpse of the ball
I believe the little Moe secret is at start of downswing the right shoulder is going down at a 15 degree outward plane, then up through
the ball and to the finish. Watch his right shoulder in the video; Moe also talked about this other videos-" I hit the ball with my
right shoulder." Good Luck 😉
@@shawnt.6081 a used car salesman that found a golf course
I think ppl are scared of looking different. But id rather look different at address and have a boring repetitive ball flight with the swing archives. It honestly can be boring at the range watching balls basically fly with very little curve or straight barely trying. Its almost a shock when something goes wrong and you barely see it.
amazing sound from his club. The best ballstrikers always have a pure sound off the club and Moe's was the best.
I think a huge reason for his great ball striking is the fact that his shoulders are always closed at setup before he takes it back, you can see his right arm under his left and right knee behind his left knee
amazing
His swing really works, i have done them of and on now for maybe 2-3 years..
Ball flight at 29:31 just fizzed off the clubface & he's 67/68 yrs old here. RIP Moe
Moe hit several low shots in a row. He told the crowd he was doing it. He showed with his hand how low. All on purpose. Moe was better at his advanced age than most youth.
Anyone who has watched the Graves Academy DVD's sees a totally different swing then what Moe is doing in this video...By the time this film (and later) were taken I think even Moe was confused about his older swing (Graves style) and the Natural Golf Swing he was selling at the time......just the opening "I am the only one with the correct grip junk...club in palm of right hand was Natural Golf not the golf grip Graves teaches as Moe Normans grip when he was playing not just hitting balls on the range.....
This was the first time I ever saw Moe hit the ball, and it was incredible. It did take a long time to learn to filter out what Moe said. Better to do as he did. He did not hold it in the palm even though he said he did. The thumb of his left hand was inside his right hand. I also learned that I have FAR better results by not copy everything Moe did in his swing. His compensation for standing so far away was to have to move closer to the ball in the downswing. This is what most find so hard to learn, and it is unnecessary to learn if you just stand a bit closer to the ball like Bryson DeChambeau does.
@@Setup4Impact 4 year late to this conversation lol. I started learning the single plane almost 2 years now. I couldn’t use the same exact stance that Moe uses, or Todd Graves uses.
Different body types and such. I’ve adapted the single plane system to my body stance and height, and seems to be working great for me now. Lower scores, haven’t lost a ball in 2 years… seriously.
Because of this system of swinging, my back, hips and legs feel better. 57 years old and walking 18 holes again 🏌🏽♂️🙏🏼
Only regret…. I didn’t try this many years before.
In fairness to Todd Graves, he has a video out that explains his problems with the way the Natural Golf Swing presented some of the techniques.
Been doing this for three years well. Nothing works as well. understand where power and speed originate now.
I sort of think that if Stephane Grapelli played golf it would look like this. When you've played enough the motions get distilled down to what's really necessary and effective. No big flourishes, just straight forward artistry.
Thanks for this! I think I'll enjoy a Coke for Moe.
He would drink his Coke.....then hit a ball off the empty bottle!
Lol
I am amazed he could hit a ball at all so in such an awkward extended stance, reaching out to the ball as he did. Seems odd that he could be consistent at all. Of course, he is not swinging very hard . . .
that awkward extended stance is the exact stance all pros have with a wedge..arms straight with the shaft..thats why they are good with a wedge..but they dont stand the same with a driver and thats why they aint as good as moe
@27:12 I'm only 5' 7". Here's 300 (yards). 68 years old. Oohs and Awes from the people standing by watching him swing. This guy is over the hill and can hit balls as far as most of the pros with half the effort. Then they ask him to hit it further than 300 yards.
Actually it's not odd he was so consistent. The swing makes more sense. I've been re-learning my swing after nearly 15 years not playing.
I've noticed something odd in the way most of the pros and amateurs swing. No question that the plane of the address is significantly different than the plane of the swing of most of the pros.
After watching a bunch of videos of Moe Norman's swings and Todd Graves videos, I see why the swing of most golfers seem odd from the set up to the backswing to the actual swing. The only thing I see as odd is where he sets up his club so far behind the ball before his swing, but it works. It's just different from what nearly all people are taught. But It makes sense once you study the set up.
Look at the feet...flat and grounded at impact