Plumbing Pipework - PEX-Al-PEX - MLCP Blansol Plumbing System
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Plumber. Plumbing video. Pex Plumbing pipe installation. how to instal pex pipe. PEX-Al-PEX system. Multipex
In my day in the life as a plumber video, I were installing some pipework, and there was a lot of questions on the pipework. In the UK, we call MLCP, so it's a multi-layer pipe, and it's this pipe here.
I'm going to do some connections with that, show you how to connect it, show you the fittings, and yeah, just generally have a run through it, really.
One thing I will say, if you're a plumber, and you're shaking your head, and thinking oh no, I don't like this stuff. Well, many years ago, probably about eight, or nine years ago, I went to a job, and it had this stuff installed. I didn't know what it were, to be honest.
As the years have gone by, more, and more systems now, are done with this pipe, so it's something that you need to really, really get your head round.
Pex piping, the MLCP pex piping is the way forward really, because a lot of time now, hot works is not allowed. In new building, in commercial settings, underfloor heating as well, is normally MLCP pex pipe as well, so it's something that you need to know about. At very least, you need to be aware of it, and how you can use it, and connect onto it if you need to.
I've got various fittings here, so we'll have a little run through these now, and then I'll show you the press gun. I'll also show you the copper press gun as well. Obviously, most of my jobs now, I don't do soldering anymore. I don't want to put any muck, flux, solder et cetera in the pipes, so I use press fit. I'll show you that as well, but I'll show you that at the end of the video.
This is more to do with the pex piping, This system that I've got here is, the pex pipe, which is ... I don't know if I've got a little bit of a ... That's, if you can see ... I don't know if it'll show you it right way round, or not, but it's pex pipe, and you can buy this from James Hargreaves. I know that you can get it from there, so that's where I've got some of this stuff from.
Yeah, let's have a look at the fittings now. If we have a look at the fittings, that's how you would get the fitting, and it had a stainless steel cover on there, so that's your stainless steel cover that goes over top there. On the inside of it, it would look like that.
These fittings the Russ approved, the pipe, the pex piping is also Russ approved. You can use this on secondary hot water systems as well. Obviously, you're not able to do that with normal plastic pipe. That's what the pipe looks like.
I'll just show you the rest of the fittings are first. You do have the fittings that you crimp on, and obviously you have Ts, and reducing Ts, and normal reducers, and elbows, et cetera, sockets, as you do with all different types of plumbing systems.
There's also one of these, it's like a compression fitting, and these are like a kit. If you haven't got a press gun, and you've got a leak, you can use there, so you can obviously ... You can push it in. That comes out of there. You push your pipe into that, clean your pipe up, push your pipe into there, and then you connect that in there, and then that'll tighten in as normal with an
Let's just have a quick look at the pipe now. This pipe here, I've actually really gone to this ... I've cut it up, and got it. You've got your pipe, and then you've got an aluminium layer in this pipe. I don't know if you can see it, and then you've got your pipe again, so this is a five layer pipe, so it's really strong.
I'll just show you some of the pipe now. I'll show you how you can bend it, and stuff. You can buy this pipes in rolls, or in lengths. You can buy it in 2.5 metre lengths if you wanted to. You can also buy it in rolls, 50 metres, and 100 metres, I believe.
This pipe is 16mm, you can also get it in 20mm, 25mm, and 32mm. If you want to bend it, you can just bend it, and you just bend it to whatever you want. It just stays where you want. You're probably not going to need that many bends, or that many fittings really, and obviously you can just put it on wherever you want, straighten the pipe up however you want as well.
What I'll do now is, we'll do some crimping onto it, so we'll press some fittings onto this. To put a fitting, or to instal a fitting onto this pipe, first of all, we need a clean edge. We would want to cut that with some pipe cutters. I've got some poly pipe cutters. They're just my old ones.
Pex pipe
You can also buy some ratchet style ones. They may be better. There's lots of brands of cutters. I've no association with any brand at all. The ratchet ones are probably better, as the ... Try, and have a sharp blade, if you can, but as they do wear a little bit, obviously the ratchet ones will still cut through. Pex pipe fittings.
With this, what you want to do, if you've got this type, just cut it, maybe twist it a little bit as you're doing it. Then, what you do is, you just get a nice flat edge.
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Been using MLCP well over 20 years and its brilliant 👍🤓👍
Hope you are well buddy When you giving me some training. Let me know when you do your next charity install 👍
Allen Hart LoL if your up for any of the charity stuff that’s cool 😎👍👍
im in the commercial maintenance game in the city of London and we have been using plastic pipe (i like john guest) for a good time now and we are finding that newer buildings or refits are using this type of pipe and fittings it keeps the danger of fire down greatly ..i love it and think its excellent for DIY work as it requires little real skill (the john guest that is ) or tools a good pair of pipe cutters and dont forget to use the inserts ( we had a lot of plumbers throw the inserts away when they first started using it and we had a LOT of leaks !!!
i think the fact you can get this in large rolls helps domestically because it keeps the number of joints to a minimum and when you have modern floors a leak would be a very difficult thing to get to !! its also quiet AND it prevents scale build up so a great all round product and for those worrying about the eco friendly nature of it , its no MORE unfriendly then digging up[ copper ore and smelting it etc and it lasts for decades ( have some in for twenty plus years in a bathroom at my parents no leaks and no deterioration )
i must confess that a decade ago when we had mcalpines on a site (using a floor as an office for a build down the road ) they tried this crimping system out to install a sink in a first aid room and it PISSED out all over , when i went and had a look and spoke to the site engineer i was convinced it was operator error and offered to check it all out and found the wrong jaws (as fallen explained ) and the guy was not letting the crimper do its full run he was scared of crushing ... i offered to redo it simply because i wanted to use the crimper !! and it worked perfectly it was all copper and is still in use today
i am planning to sue all PEX on my upcoming referb of a house
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Another good vid Allen. Really informative. I couldn't help notice the label on the desk that said 'man cave' 😂
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Great video Allen, well explained, definitely the way of future plumbing, I love it
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Thanks for this video Allen your always one step ahead with the tools and materials but I've got to say my wife's annoyed that I keep on buying new tools after watching your videos 😂
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Hi Allen - Great video I seen this used abroad (Cyprus) when I worked there but they had a slightly different system - they had a "stretcher" that fit inside the pipe and the fittings looked like the one you had stripped down with just the barb & "O" rings - you basically stretched the pipe- removed the tool - then quickly put the fitting in - then the pipe "shrank" back onto it after a few minutes - they were solid once set - you could re-use the fittings by carefully cutting the pipe off and using new "O" rings - the system is quick and cheap so some Cypriot worker was telling me I don't know what the system was called but I have seen it used on some USA video's as well Thanks for all your video's and time putting them on All the best to you mate
Hi Colin, Thank you for your comments and thanks for watching. 👍
www.blansol.com/pex-multilayer/multilayer-pipe-pexalpex/
Perfect and thorough explanation. Thank you.
Always great knowledge cheers Alan ! Press is the way forward once you buy the extra kit no going back
Hi Jack. Totally agree , Thanks.
Im from Canada, and we don't have that but stuff like it, still very good video on piping a new piping system
What systems do you use?
@@AllenHart999 mostly uponor pex, cpvc copper or pex b
this pex fitting system is very popular in America canada ect is great plumbing system the thing allen is a costly b YOU need to have a tools for it i believe the majority off pepole they stick to the push fitting system enjoyed the video.
Personally i do not mind investing in the tools, Thanks for watching.
In america it seems to me its mainly pex pipe they use
This is alpex pipe (pex-al-pex) different to just pex
Smashing video, thanks!
Good explanation of how-to on press fit plumbing using pex.
Because of the expemsive tools it is however not suited for DIY.
This is a link to the system in this video. Thanks. www.blansol.com/pex-multilayer/multilayer-pipe-pexalpex/
Great video, I've seen a lot of this press fit haven't purchased the equipment for myself yet but probably will have to soon.
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Hi Scott, No going back once you get used to it. Thanks.
personally I think the manufacturer making the crimping end different sizes again.... will put most plumbers off crossing over. money makers!!! good vid al.
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
Get yourself the springs for making neat bends very handy to have i have the 16mm 20mm and 26mm. Also the inner and outer reamer is much better you can get them to attach to your drill. Multi layer pipe is so nice to work with clean fast and won't corrode.
Do you have a link to the benders, please. Thanks.
You can get the springs from the plumbing suppliers screwfix etc
@@AllenHart999 www.heatdirect.co.uk/emmeti-external-multilayer-pipe-bending-tool.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwhJrqBRDZARIsALhp1WQhfdujpQNpLIAPoIk3Y7BMsxiEGX7bXC6ne9lJ2wM1_yAO9pUysc8aAqW7EALw_wcB
You dont want those crappy springs
Your better of with manual alpex bender so much better.
in UK 🇬🇧 we can get 16mm and 20mm but in Europe im trying to get the 26mm one aswell but its hard to get any one to ship to UK.
If someone does not know about pex they must have been on Mars in the past 25 years.
I must of been on Mars😂👍🙀Thanks.
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This isn’t standard pex
Thanks for the Video dude
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Sound review. Thanks m8
Thank you for watching 👍
loads money for fittings and press tools that have to be serviced so i will stick to soldering lime i have been doing for 40 years and u cant beat a pipe bender just my thoughts
Nothing wrong with that Robin. Personally i do not like to solder. Thanks for watching
Brilliant video Allen.
Allen can copper pipes be completely be replaced by pex for central heating?
Normally the first metre would need to be copper. Although these have a high temp rating. I am guessing that as the reg,s move with the times copper will be replaced. Thanks.
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Depends on the boiler. Plastic pipes can go right to a boiler if the boiler connections are _outside_ of the case. But consult the boiler's instructions manual.
How long does the o ring last in pressfit fittings
Most hospitals and hotels etc are press fit and have been for many many years. Thanks.
Hi Allen, which profiles have you got for copper press fittings? What profile jaws do you use for the mlcp pipe? I'm looking at getting a press fit gun. Is Novopress aco103 better than the REMS one? Thanks
M pattern. Works with express fittings. Thanks.
hi. what pipe size are allowed to use in uk for plumbing? i mean, you presented pipes sized 16mm,20mm(continental sizes) but mostly you can buy 15mm, 18mm, 22mm for pex. Thanks
We use 16mm 20mm 25mm 32mm Thanks. Thank you so much for the comment. Happy new year
Lots of other countries have been using PEX (Australia). The fittings are way stronger than a push fitting. You should not really have an option to take a fitting back off. The plumbing standards need to be raised in England. It would cut out a lot of the cheap cowboys.
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This is what separates u from the rest. Setting trends Al!
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Thank you so much.
I want to buy the rems mini press 22v or the uponor battery gun.
Wich one do you advise for the long term.
Im a beginner in this plumper world
Another brilliant video really well explained an demonstrated 👍
I had a job last week where i had to replace jg plastic pipeing to copper pipe as Rats had chewed into the plastic pipe do you think this pipe is rodent proof as its got the aluminium layer???
In high rodent areas i would stick to copper, They can cause some real damage. Thanks
In Ireland all houses done with it i do all comercial an brazing or press only job
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
hi Alan great video I'm going to start using press as in a lot of commercial sites they don't like open flames. Ive got a nova press with mappress jaws but I need some pex jaws. I'm considering the geberit mepla any advice would be appreciated
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Is the boiler manufacturer still want an (x) amount of copper before using multilayer on hot flow and return? Great informative video , i am definitely on transition to use pressfit gun .
I use pressfit copper onto boiler. Thanks.
Alpex pipe can be plumbed up directly to a boiler
They are rated to 95 degrees 10bar continuous
jmb69er thanks that ll make life even easier
15 mm to half inch how does that get done if no flames allowed
Where do you get your copper press fittings from? What price do you get and how many do you buy at a time
I just pick them up locally from places like plumb centre or city plumbing. They are a similar price to push fit fittings. Thanks.
Allen are those mlcp fittings gunmetal brass and non dezincifiable
Brass.
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Where do you buy the fittings
Thank you
Great video, can MLCP be used with gas also.
Not in the UK no. Thanks.
I do not think those fittings are "quality". They will be restricting a lot of flow as they are smaller diameter than the pipe. With coper fitting your flow area is actually increased at the fitting as they go over the pipe not inside the pipe.
The whole point of using pex pipe is to make it a lot cheaper however those pex fitting are 10x more expensive than copper so do not use fittings to connect 2 pipes. The only place where I use them is at the tap where the pipe ends, and at the source where it starts. That is it. Never Ever use 90deg fitting. Never use fitting to join 2 pipes. Just bend the pipe 90deg. Never use those fitting as tee but better run separate pipe from the source. To do the above you must use pipe from the roll of 50m or more.
You make a very good point. Plastic push fit pipe is also a lot smaller with the inserts. 👍
frankische alpex pipe fittings are the best on the market i think. their fittings still restrict flow but they have the largest internal diameter compared to other brands.
Just from Alans video i can tell fittings I use from frankische look better quality than the ones he’s demonstrating
Can you use this fittings on barrier PE-X ?
Can pressfit copper fittings be used on gas?
John Burns Yes, you need to use the correct fittings though 👍
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Thanks, you have educated me - that is hard to do in this business. I have always used solder, and the odd compression, for gas, not really looking if newer fitting were available, as solder and compression worked and cheap enough. If you already have the crimping tool, then it makes sense to use pressfit on gas.
I suppose it is a matter of looking at the makers info.
You say they are the same price as a pushfit fittings, which I suppose is about the same price as a _quality_ compression fitting. But end-feed solder is *cheap.*
Hi Allen where can I get this fitting?
www.jhplumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Beneath-Heat-Catalogue-2019.pdf
What is the predicted life of the pex fittings , thinking about the O rings .
This is what is used across most parts of the world. It has a double o ring so i do not believe they will fail. I will press one with the o rings in and see if they seal 😂Thanks.
www.blansol.com/pex-multilayer/multilayer-pipe-pexalpex/
Is it that aluminium layer that let's it hold when bent by hand? Also will bending by hand void any manufacturers garantee on pex?. Great vid as always 👍
Yes the aluminium keeps it in place. Wouldn’t void warranty no. Thanks.
Thats the perk but the actual reason it has a aluminium layer its to make the pipe 100% air tight. Plastic is porous as it expands and contracts it takes in air and the aluminium is a barrier to stop the air ingress.
You can bend it by hand but to much and it will kink. The manual bender for it are brilliant
Henco make them but hard to get them in the UK 🇬🇧 so frankische have them made by henco i believe slightly different but not much. Can only get 16mm and 20mm in UK at moment but henco do a 26mm bender to struggling to get hold of the 26mm .
The manual benders bend the pipes to very small radius
@@jmb69er thanks for all this info 👍 everydays a school day.
Looks expensive, what’s the benefits of using this stuff over hep or speedfit?
No air ingress. Can be used on hot water returns. Thanks.
Benefit compared to hep or speedfit
100% leak proof
100% air tight
Stronger joints
Can be plumbed up direct to boiler no copper required
Can be used on all job site due to permanent joint fittings can not be tampered with.
Has bending memory so easier to bend it to how you want and it stays exactly where it is.
Its plastic out layer is only for protection so scratches scuffs to the outer layer do not affect its water/air tight seal as the fittings double O-rings seal on the internal of the pipe which will always be safe from damage.
It had a wide range of fittings and the fittings are slimmer externally no big bulky joints and no loose parts like inserts.
Looks a bit like Kitec, with better fittings
The fittings are really good quality. Thanks.
This pipe and its fittings are _expensive._ This pipe has never really caught on, as most prefer the likes of Hep2O pushfit. Its advantage are few when considering the extra costs.
I sort of agree with you but in my opinion it is better, Personal choice really. I wanted to show what it is as i didnt know a few years back. Thank you John.
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It is better, but it comes down to costs v advantages. If you do lots of big jobs, then I would say go with it. If not, it is a matter of ignoring it. Except when you come across it.
@@johnburns4017 I have started to use it. I am going to use it when possible. Customer will need to get me back to change anything in the future lol
Its main advantage is 100% airtight which wirh regular plastic and copper do not offer and we all know air in the system reduces system life.
How do yhey know that pex pipe is rat approved
good point.
The fittings must be expensive and you need extra tools. It’s a non start for most I would imagine
It's does definitely cost more to start with. Thanks.
Allen Hart good video mate. Keep them up
Hi, how much would it cost for the tools needed to set up for pex.
ian rowland £1000 crimper set 16-20-26-32mm pipe
. £200 -300 for couple alpex manual benders to so 16-20 and maybe 26mm pipe
Alpex cutter £100 for 16mm 20mm 26mm and 32mm pipe
Alpex calibrator set £150 16-20-26-32mm pipe
Then £400 for more heavy duty bender to bend 16-20-25-26-32mm pipe