Just used this as a guide for fixing my 2004 GMC Sierra instrument cluster today. Speedo and tach were flaking out so I just replaced those two motors. When you reach the point where you have to remove the harness from the back of the cluster, BE CAREFUL. Squeeze both sides of the clip that's holding the connector on the back, and wiggle gently til you hear a click and the connector begins to slide out. Do not force it because if you break wires you're in for trouble. For removing and re-soldering the stepper motors you need a very small tip soldering iron for fine work. The Speedo traces on the circuit board are quite close to other circuits,so you have to be quite careful to not slip off with the iron and heat into another circuit on the board Best to start with the tach , as that's easier to re-solder. Use magnification, take your time, and don't over heat during solder. Touch the tip, heat for about a second, apply solder, and let off. If you don't think you got the solder to flow perfectly, you can go back and touch again in a different spot to "re-flow" that connection. Thanks for the video it helped give the overall concept!
Great video. My speedometer of 2003 Chevy Silverado died and the mechanic wanted to change the entire unit for $800. For a grand total of 5 dollars (cost of stepper motor in ebay) I replaced the stepper motor as per the instructions given by Peetre and I am all set. Thank you
Just had my oil pressure gauge fail on my 2003 Tahoe. Your video convinced me to do this repair myself, and I sure appreciate it. Step by step and clear as day instructions and walk-through! You saved me $380.00, so thank you very much and great video!
Thanks for your video! I've done a number of repairs on my 2003 GMC Envoy and saved myself lots of money using video's here on UA-cam! Shame that GM makes such a crappy vehicle as my Envoy but am so glad so many people put out great vid's so I can keep it going. 88,000 miles on it, it's on it's 3rd set of upper/lower ball joints, two front outer axles, second set of struts, third set of brakes, second set of tie rod ends and connector links and more. The front suspension on this thing and the brakes were so under-engineered by GM it's pathetic. But the engine, transmission and 4wd are bulletproof which is the only reason I keep it. First and last GM I ever buy.
+NOBama Nation That my luck with FORD, never again. I just feel if something becomes frequent and common, it should be covered for life as a bad design or poor manufacturing.
Addressing this issue with my 2006 2500HD Duramax. Tac went out on me so I’ll replace all of them since I’ll have the instrument panel out. The “Radio Shack” comments made me check out the date on this video. 2014! LOL, Radio Shack has been gone for a while now…. I’ll have to get my parts/equip from Amazon. Thanks for this production.
I just bought a kit from amazon for this problem. It has 7 step motors, the solder sucker, a soldering iron with the right size tip, solder and a bunch of light bulbs. $30.00
Very good video. Trying to replace the seat belt warning bulb in 2002 Impala LS and could not find a youtube on that. I needed to learn how to separate the electronic board from the housing. The needles were holding it from coming out. I tried pulling a needle out with my fingers but it would not move. The fork works real good. Thanks.
Well done! Best video I've seen on this. Gonna tackle it soon on my GMC. I just wanna know how much loose change is in the 5 gallon jug in the background. wow!
Thank you Sir for your time with this exceptional video , GM Should Send You a Billion Dollar Check !!! Just for keeping us poor folk's from hanging them in the courthouse square , but i guess it's counter profit to help their customers rather than later charging for repairs of JUNK , Dangerous JUNK , Thank you Again Sir , I'm going to Attempt this money saving Classy Education !!!
Thanks for the video it tells me that that I’m nowhere near deft enough to attempt this repair on my own easy to pull it all apart but the actual repair process is way beyond my skill level too many thing to get wrong.could i just go to pick a part and get a used one?
thank you for video, i am wondering my speed gauge and another one has gone all the way to the left and stuck how would that be marked if it's not where it is suppose to be
ok so if these years of the trucks start and run thagt means the security control module is not in the cluster on these like they are in the 99 older right? or passlock I and II ? and i always wondered how youre supposed to re set the guage needls hum neat.. didnt know they had stops in the steppers,
Very good question Carlos. All circuit boards need to be heated properly, but quickly. Too long and the circuit foil will lift away from the board and possibly break from the circular foil that the pins are solder too. So.... If you have an adjustable temperature iron, I use a medium heat. If it isn't adjustable, use it but try some test with it. You want the tip if the iron as clean as possible. While hot rub the tip across steel wool or a damp sponge. The melt some solder on the tip to keep it from oxidizing. Touch solder to the tip and be sure it melts almost instantly. If it does, you are ready to solder. Hold the tip at about a 45 degree angle touching the pin and the foil on the board and apply the solder at the junction of the tip, the board, and the pin. It should melt quickly and as soon as you see it has flowed in a smooth mound back off with the iron and solder. The solder should look very much like all the other parts and pads. I hope this has helped and good luck. Most people probably ruin the circuits during the heating to remove the parts, so remember "Not too much heat for too long"
I have an 04 Envoy XL and was curious to know if those bulbs screw in or solder in? I want to replace mine with LED's and need to find a 12volt LED that I can use. Thanks
Please help, before to replace my rpm stepper motor (it wasn’t working) my indicator lights haven been working neither, only check engine and battery light works, after I replace the stepper motor my rpm still doesn’t work and the indicator lights neither, I am pretty sure the stepper motors is fine, what else could be? Circuit board? All fuses working fine
What's so stupid about GM is that they NEVER issued recalls for this problem that affected millions of cars, created a safety hazards, probably gave the police millions of dollars in speeding tickets because the gauges were faulty. Same is true for these exact cars and trucks that have faulty wipers that stay vertical after they are turned off. They just got sued and lost against the Feds for faulty ignitions, but these two things were also ignored. I have an 05 Monte Carlo LS, and ALL of these are issues with this car. Oh and this thing has 76K actual miles on it.
+kjemradio That is really terrible. We all see this happening. Why the consumer has to pay for a common failure is too bad. I guess the only thing good, is that a lot of people on youtube show the way to fix things for less.
Yeah I am actually grateful that someone posted this video (and found one for the wiper issue (that's on an impala, but uses the same system as the Monte Carlo). Of course I have never soldered on PCBs before, but I do not not to leave the iron on the board too long. Also here is a PSA for you all doing this. Just like PC components you have to take care and not produce a static shock on these panels. You will fry it. Handle all PCBs (printed circuit boards) by the edges, don't touch the solder points (that's where you can damage them with a static shock), and make sure your are on the same electrical level of this system. In other words touch something metal to discharge static, don't work on carpet, and take your time. DO NOT GROUND YOURSELF. That would be VERY bad.
Hi, I I have a 2003 Chevy duramax, and I just put 4 stepper motors in, I lined them all up in the marks of the old ones but whenever I plug it in it adjusts higher like the thermostat sits at 210 all the time, should I just space it out more? I'm tired of taking it out and readjusting them
+Richard Ragsdale unless you are saying that it is binding? When you first turn on the ignition switch, i think they are all supposed to move up and back down. is it only the thermostat one that is a problem? does it climb and immediately stop at 210? as you drive does it start rising from 210 then?
You might have overheated that stepper motor, or it was defective. I'd try pulling it back out, and get the X.27 models steppers, and put a new motor in the temp spot
The odometer has gone black on my 2006 Envoy, (occasionally comes back on) but the miles are still recorded. My question is…. will the stepper motor replacement correct this odometer malfunction?
+Alice Wheaton if i recall that is not a stepper motor function. It might be slightly related, but i think the computer tallies the pulses and places that into memory which you then see displayed.
I got stuck in calibrating the needles I don't understand the adding tape part if we're going to assume we should set em by the zero mark anyways? I kind of moved the speedometer and rpm one around counterclockwise and it got mixed up lol its like 2rpm down from the normal and 20mph under normal? what do I do to fix it? Thanks for the video
+BarNone FadeAll No they don't set to zero. They drop below zero and the little posts stop them at zero. So if you dont put them on the shafts as they are when you remove them, you chance of getting them correctly is about as likely as winning the lottery.
at around what speed do you think the RPM interval enters 2? I was testing it again and tried calibrating them and I'm off 1-2mph on the speedometer I'm OK with that lol. But when your idling doesn't it normally rest around 1 RPM? Its not until you're close to 60mph when it goes into 2RPM right? This calibrating needles part is so confusing
at around what speed do you think the RPM interval enters 2? I was testing it again and tried calibrating them and I'm off 1-2mph on the speedometer I'm OK with that lol. But when your idling doesn't it normally rest around 1 RPM? Its not until you're close to 60mph when it goes into 2RPM right? This calibrating needles part is so confusing
+BarNone FadeAll lol, life is good. guestimating... but should be close. a warm engine should idle about 600 rpm when stopped but in gear. i would also guess about 3000 rpm at 60mph. If a needle is reading too high, pull off and put it on the amount it was too high. eg. lets say speedometer should read 40, but reads 50. Pull the needle off and move it 10 mph higher. good luck
i have a 2006 silverado the oil indicator goes all the way over and the amp guage is not right seems all other ones are ok was told was the stepping motor f jordan
HOW MANY MOTOR'S CAME FOR THE 31 BUCK'S FROM AMAZON......???WHATS THE SKU OR STOCK # I NEED TO ODER THE KIT FROM Amazon........?? & how long it take to get to your door roughly........ ?? & did they all come well packaged ( protected ) being shipped........?? & was there any hidden surprises w/ the motor's or w/ amazon........???
+jj coolj I would guess it could be possible that it could rest there. I would suggest testing further if there is doubt. Depending on the gauge, you could put an oil pressure gauge, or temperature gauge to confirm the reading. Then mark some masking tape where it was and where it should be and remove the needle and replace it right.
Thanks for the response! you got me thinking now, it is a gas gauge, and i know from not having it working, how long i can go on a tank with the trip meter, i will cross reference that with the needle and tune it appropriately. perfect!
The sending unit was the first thing i checked :) then the continuity from the tank to the dash all checked out so im confident this will fix it (fingers crossed) if not i can live with using the trip meter. not going to buy a new cluster for a ridiculous price. and no luck at any local scrap yards. going to try it out tomorrow and hone my solder skills heh
+jj coolj when do they rest there? When i turn my ignition off, mine tend to rest where they were before turning them off. If you doubt the position of the needle while in operation, i would verify it with another instrument, like voltmeter for voltage or a oil pressure meter, etc. If my gauge doesnt correspond, then i would remove and reinstall the needle with the amount of angular displacement to make it read correctly. Pete
it would be a bit of a crap shoot. i would put the hands on, let's say at "12 o'clock" position, install it, turn it on, take a photo of the the gauges, remove it and put the needles off and put them back on about where you think they should be. Dont let the shafts move when you have it out.. Then retest. Fill the gas tank first so you know the needle should be indicating full for that one.
You can buy refurbished clusters. They only match a narrow year range, research which ones work with your truck. But GM truck clusters save the odometer reading. If you replace the cluster with the wrong one, or one with vastly different odometer reading....not good. If I didnt want to do the rebuild myself, I would find someone comfortable with electronic circuit board soldering, show them this video, then ask them to do it. Refurbished clusters here in Canada are $250 plus. Buy the stepper motor kit from amazon. Stay gold.
I just completed this including LEDs. Polarity matters on the LEDs. I also did climate control, and Have an LED polarity map for the OEM 6 CD changer faceplate
Using a professional desoldering gun is the proper process. Putting tape at the end of the needles is no way accurate.The black colored stepper motors your are seen installing do not hold up and will eventually fail only leading to another repair in the future. 2003 to 2006 models have up to 5 issues: (1)Gauges fail 1 by 1 because of defective stepper motors. (2) Dim or dead VFD displays which are the PRNDL and DIC(driver info center). (3) Back lighting at night dim or dead behind the gauges, not the VFD's or digital displays.(4) Intermittent power issue where the gauge cluster and the entire panel will eventually fail leaving only your back lighting bulbs, blinker bulbs and "Check Engine" MIL lit up. (5) Solder joints and bad parts on the circuit board. There can also be software updates and need to be updated on the circuit board. If you're going to ship your cluster off and want it rebuilt properly with a guarantee, it should be done right once and once only without the inconvenience of inferior experience and inferior parts with no guarantee.
where how do you get software updates specifically for the clusters? in vehicle or removed form vehicle? the black colored steppers are cehap foreign made ones or? how do yuo repair fix the digital display? and the other issues you mention
I watched your video on how to replace a speedometer steeper motor on a 2003 Silverado, unfortunately I am having to replace the stepper motor in my Silverado and I am having trouble finding one, I've called my local chevy dealer and they were unable to locate one. Where do you purchase them from?
OK GREAT & SUPER JOB ON THE EXTERNAL MIC... U R GOOD & LOUD SO US HARD OF HEARING PPL,. HERE CAN REALLY HEAR U CLEARLY.... THANK U !!!!!!!! KEEP UP THE PROJECT'S ON THE TAHOE 03-06...... IS THEM YRS,. ONLY ON THE TAHOE'S.....?? IS IT FOR THE HOLE 99-07 MODEL'S OF THEM ALL THE Silverado's & all of them or what........?????
I have a couple of thoughts on that. I don't recall where I bought mine from, it was long ago. First, how about trying a GM dealer? or Since many are selling them in 6 each, how about posting that you would like to team up with someone, and perhaps each take 3? Lastly, buy all 6, and then list the remaining ones for perhaps 20 bucks each!
No matter how much money i spend on repairs. The engine light will not go off. Keeps coming back on. Can i just pull a fuse? Truck runs great. Keeps pulling codes. Engine light stays off for five days, then comes back on. Driving me crazy!! Makes me hate Chevy. CAN SOME ONE HELP?
a scanner will give the codes, and a good scanner will list the probable causes for the fix. I dont know any fuse you could pull, that wouldnt affect other things. Just put a piece of black electrical tape over the light
Hi have a 1997 chevy silverado was haven trouble with low iol presure i went too a used auto parts yard a picked up the whole cluster cheap just had to put the plugs bk in the for screws an was fix a ten min job an no soldering
I agree plus’s wen you take dash apart you can figure out how it comes apart always keep the screw as little ones are easy to lose even with magnetic trays and stuff so what I’m saying if you brake the dash it’s not going to mater just don’t break the cluster of gauges and hopefully you get a good one they had a lot of probs with these gauges in the 90s
+Gerardo Rivera if you dont have a reference where they were using the tape when you start, it is rather a guessing game. You could put tape at each location and just put numbers, like 1 thru 9 on each one spaced evenly. go for a ride and try to guess where the needles SHould be, vs where they are. write the numbers down of where they are operating, and then pull the needles off and place them back the amount that they differ from where you think they should be. eg. lets say full tank of gas has the needle on "5" where it should have been on "9". take the needle off and place it 4 numbers higher and try again.
Could this guy have used a BIGGER soldering iron?...my gosh, that thing he was using was HUGE!!! It must have been a 60 watter with a 3/16" tip on it...A hint for DIY'ers...all you need is a 25 watt iron with a fine tip for this work...I'll be surprised if he didn't overheat the bridges and weaken the tracks on the board...perhaps that's why he didn't finish the rest of this vid for the reinstallation and testing... ...just sayin'...
60 Watt is considered low wattage for a soldering iron. Plug in wait about 1 minute and touch your solder to it. It should immediately melt and flow. Then touch hot iron and pin simultaneously. Then immediately push the solder into the iron and see it flow from the iron to the pin and the foil. 2 seconds maximum
Good video. I especially liked how you showed plug release mechanism. I was having trouble with it not squeezing enough.
Just used this as a guide for fixing my 2004 GMC Sierra instrument cluster today. Speedo and tach were flaking out so I just replaced those two motors.
When you reach the point where you have to remove the harness from the back of the cluster, BE CAREFUL. Squeeze both sides of the clip that's holding the connector on the back, and wiggle gently til you hear a click and the connector begins to slide out. Do not force it because if you break wires you're in for trouble.
For removing and re-soldering the stepper motors you need a very small tip soldering iron for fine work. The Speedo traces on the circuit board are quite close to other circuits,so you have to be quite careful to not slip off with the iron and heat into another circuit on the board
Best to start with the tach , as that's easier to re-solder.
Use magnification, take your time, and don't over heat during solder. Touch the tip, heat for about a second, apply solder, and let off. If you don't think you got the solder to flow perfectly, you can go back and touch again in a different spot to "re-flow" that connection.
Thanks for the video it helped give the overall concept!
Thanks J
Great video. My speedometer of 2003 Chevy Silverado died and the mechanic wanted to change the entire unit for $800. For a grand total of 5 dollars (cost of stepper motor in ebay) I replaced the stepper motor as per the instructions given by Peetre and I am all set. Thank you
Would you happen to have the link for the one you purchased
This video is excellent. I did this, unfortunately didn’t fix my issue, but the walk through was spot on.
Just had my oil pressure gauge fail on my 2003 Tahoe. Your video convinced me to do this repair myself, and I sure appreciate it. Step by step and clear as day instructions and walk-through! You saved me $380.00, so thank you very much and great video!
Great video, I just changed out 2 stepper’s. I had to pull down on the stepper motors while I had the solder gun on it.
Nice going!
Out of all the video's on replacing a stepper motor yours is the best, Thanks for the info.
Well thank you JC, pete
Thanks for your video! I've done a number of repairs on my 2003 GMC Envoy and saved myself lots of money using video's here on UA-cam! Shame that GM makes such a crappy vehicle as my Envoy but am so glad so many people put out great vid's so I can keep it going. 88,000 miles on it, it's on it's 3rd set of upper/lower ball joints, two front outer axles, second set of struts, third set of brakes, second set of tie rod ends and connector links and more. The front suspension on this thing and the brakes were so under-engineered by GM it's pathetic. But the engine, transmission and 4wd are bulletproof which is the only reason I keep it. First and last GM I ever buy.
+NOBama Nation That my luck with FORD, never again. I just feel if something becomes frequent and common, it should be covered for life as a bad design or poor manufacturing.
NOBama Nation Ball joints seem to be an issue on 2000 Escalade. That and the clock spring (horn), and those damn inside door handles. grrrrr.
I would move from where you live seems its rough roads. LOL
Addressing this issue with my 2006 2500HD Duramax. Tac went out on me so I’ll replace all of them since I’ll have the instrument panel out. The “Radio Shack” comments made me check out the date on this video. 2014! LOL, Radio Shack has been gone for a while now…. I’ll have to get my parts/equip from Amazon. Thanks for this production.
I just bought a kit from amazon for this problem. It has 7 step motors, the solder sucker, a soldering iron with the right size tip, solder and a bunch of light bulbs. $30.00
@@danwhite4294 I saw that one…. I went with something similar. Good luck to us both.
Awesome video followed it step by step awesome!!!!!! Thank you for making it!!!!
Very good! The de-solder instructions were especially informative.
Thanks for the video. Getting ready to replace all of my steppers in a 2003 Yukon.
very informative great video will get servo for speedometer thanks
Thank you for this great video!!! You have no idea how much this helped me today with my 05 Chevy Tahoe!!!
Very good video. Trying to replace the seat belt warning bulb in 2002 Impala LS and could not find a youtube on that. I needed to learn how to separate the electronic board from the housing. The needles were holding it from coming out. I tried pulling a needle out with my fingers but it would not move. The fork works real good. Thanks.
Well done! Best video I've seen on this. Gonna tackle it soon on my GMC. I just wanna know how much loose change is in the 5 gallon jug in the background. wow!
Same I turned in a few handfuls of change the other day and it was 40 dollars! That's a lot of cash there
Thank you for the very clear and instructive video!
Thank you Sir for your time with this exceptional video , GM Should Send You a Billion Dollar Check !!! Just for keeping us poor folk's from hanging them in the courthouse square , but i guess it's counter profit to help their customers rather than later charging for repairs of JUNK , Dangerous JUNK , Thank you Again Sir , I'm going to Attempt this money saving Classy Education !!!
This is very thorough and helpful. Thanks for the detailed instructions!
+Ed S Thanks Ed. Pete
Thanks. Your video made this job quite easy. Reattaching the small light bulbs was a bit tricky, but the stepper motors were simple.
Thanks for the video it tells me that that I’m nowhere near deft enough to attempt this repair on my own easy to pull it all apart but the actual repair process is way beyond my skill level too many thing to get wrong.could i just go to pick a part and get a used one?
maybe someone else on here can respond to it.. I don't know of any
Excellent video you made it look so easy I will follow this when replacing my speedometer stepper motor
Excellent video and instructions.
+gig777 Thanks Gig
That's an excellent video very clear instructions and the steps to follow it helps a lot thanks!!!!!
Hi, my odometer on my 2005 Escalade shows between 100 mph and 120 mph when I am at about 20mph. Is this due to a defective stepper motor? Thanks!
great tutorial. all the way down to the solder sucker
thank you for video, i am wondering my speed gauge and another one has gone all the way to the left and stuck how would that be marked if it's not where it is suppose to be
ok so if these years of the trucks start and run thagt means the security control module is not in the cluster on these like they are in the 99 older right? or passlock I and II ? and i always wondered how youre supposed to re set the guage needls hum neat.. didnt know they had stops in the steppers,
thank you so much. work like a charm.
+samuel fitzpatrick Well thank you! I have had so many videos that helped me, I am so happy to return the favor!
when u solder the new stepper motor in do u heat up the lil pins and then touch the solder to the pin to melt it?
Very good question Carlos. All circuit boards need to be heated properly, but quickly. Too long and the circuit foil will lift away from the board and possibly break from the circular foil that the pins are solder too. So.... If you have an adjustable temperature iron, I use a medium heat. If it isn't adjustable, use it but try some test with it. You want the tip if the iron as clean as possible. While hot rub the tip across steel wool or a damp sponge. The melt some solder on the tip to keep it from oxidizing. Touch solder to the tip and be sure it melts almost instantly. If it does, you are ready to solder. Hold the tip at about a 45 degree angle touching the pin and the foil on the board and apply the solder at the junction of the tip, the board, and the pin. It should melt quickly and as soon as you see it has flowed in a smooth mound back off with the iron and solder. The solder should look very much like all the other parts and pads. I hope this has helped and good luck. Most people probably ruin the circuits during the heating to remove the parts, so remember "Not too much heat for too long"
Nice HD video. I need this to fix my truck.
Best video for this
I can’t get the bottoms tabs on the front plate to release- is there a trick???? I’ve pressed with a screwdriver- won’t budge!
i don't recall from 8 years ago. About 3:30 I state I use a screwdriver and wedge it open, I think. Best wishes
Excellent video
Thank you!
I have an 04 Envoy XL and was curious to know if those bulbs screw in or solder in? I want to replace mine with LED's and need to find a 12volt LED that I can use. Thanks
+Jay Graphix Actually i see the lamps are in the BLUE mounts. Shown at 10:29
I wonder if that's the issue with my gas gauge on the Caddy I bought from you. The needle bounces around like crazy if the tank isn't full.
Please help, before to replace my rpm stepper motor (it wasn’t working) my indicator lights haven been working neither, only check engine and battery light works, after I replace the stepper motor my rpm still doesn’t work and the indicator lights neither, I am pretty sure the stepper motors is fine, what else could be? Circuit board? All fuses working fine
What's so stupid about GM is that they NEVER issued recalls for this problem that affected millions of cars, created a safety hazards, probably gave the police millions of dollars in speeding tickets because the gauges were faulty. Same is true for these exact cars and trucks that have faulty wipers that stay vertical after they are turned off. They just got sued and lost against the Feds for faulty ignitions, but these two things were also ignored. I have an 05 Monte Carlo LS, and ALL of these are issues with this car. Oh and this thing has 76K actual miles on it.
+kjemradio That is really terrible. We all see this happening. Why the consumer has to pay for a common failure is too bad. I guess the only thing good, is that a lot of people on youtube show the way to fix things for less.
Yeah I am actually grateful that someone posted this video (and found one for the wiper issue (that's on an impala, but uses the same system as the Monte Carlo).
Of course I have never soldered on PCBs before, but I do not not to leave the iron on the board too long.
Also here is a PSA for you all doing this. Just like PC components you have to take care and not produce a static shock on these panels. You will fry it.
Handle all PCBs (printed circuit boards) by the edges, don't touch the solder points (that's where you can damage them with a static shock), and make sure your are on the same electrical level of this system. In other words touch something metal to discharge static, don't work on carpet, and take your time. DO NOT GROUND YOURSELF. That would be VERY bad.
where's a good auto parts store to purchase the step motors at a reasonable price thank you my name is Joe
you can order them on ebay and such for 3rd or 4th of the price part store charges
Hi, I I have a 2003 Chevy duramax, and I just put 4 stepper motors in, I lined them all up in the marks of the old ones but whenever I plug it in it adjusts higher like the thermostat sits at 210 all the time, should I just space it out more? I'm tired of taking it out and readjusting them
+Richard Ragsdale unless you are saying that it is binding? When you first turn on the ignition switch, i think they are all supposed to move up and back down.
is it only the thermostat one that is a problem?
does it climb and immediately stop at 210? as you drive does it start rising from 210 then?
You might have overheated that stepper motor, or it was defective. I'd try pulling it back out, and get the X.27 models steppers, and put a new motor in the temp spot
WHAT'S AN X27 MOTOR........??
The X27 is the improved version of a stepper Motor.
The odometer has gone black on my 2006 Envoy, (occasionally comes back on) but the miles are still recorded. My question is…. will the stepper motor replacement correct this odometer malfunction?
+Alice Wheaton if i recall that is not a stepper motor function. It might be slightly related, but i think the computer tallies the pulses and places that into memory which you then see displayed.
I got stuck in calibrating the needles I don't understand the adding tape part if we're going to assume we should set em by the zero mark anyways? I kind of moved the speedometer and rpm one around counterclockwise and it got mixed up lol its like 2rpm down from the normal and 20mph under normal? what do I do to fix it? Thanks for the video
+BarNone FadeAll No they don't set to zero. They drop below zero and the little posts stop them at zero. So if you dont put them on the shafts as they are when you remove them, you chance of getting them correctly is about as likely as winning the lottery.
+peetre are you serious? I'm going to try to recalibrate them tomorrow again. Thanks for the video.
at around what speed do you think the RPM interval enters 2? I was testing it again and tried calibrating them and I'm off 1-2mph on the speedometer I'm OK with that lol. But when your idling doesn't it normally rest around 1 RPM? Its not until you're close to 60mph when it goes into 2RPM right? This calibrating needles part is so confusing
at around what speed do you think the RPM interval enters 2? I was testing it again and tried calibrating them and I'm off 1-2mph on the speedometer I'm OK with that lol. But when your idling doesn't it normally rest around 1 RPM? Its not until you're close to 60mph when it goes into 2RPM right? This calibrating needles part is so confusing
+BarNone FadeAll lol, life is good. guestimating... but should be close. a warm engine should idle about 600 rpm when stopped but in gear. i would also guess about 3000 rpm at 60mph. If a needle is reading too high, pull off and put it on the amount it was too high. eg. lets say speedometer should read 40, but reads 50. Pull the needle off and move it 10 mph higher. good luck
Well this just looks fun -_- i had 5 of my 6 gauges go bad this winter
i have a 2006 silverado the oil indicator goes all the way over and the amp guage is not right seems all other ones are ok was told was the stepping motor f jordan
+Freemon Jordan it sounds like it to me, and the stepper motors are pretty reasonably priced
do you know if it's the same part for a 2003 express 3500 6.0
What was that black thing you used to make the heat?
That is a soldering iron from a weller soldering station. Any low power cheap solder iron would work fine. The smaller the tip, the better
where can i buy this stepper motors,, i need one for the fuel gaga,,,and are they all the same,,,fuel, oil, battery,,,,
Yes they all use the same type! I bought my kit on Amazon. $31 and it can with everything I needed except the masking tape.
ebay 2.70 a piece
WHY DO U NEED THE MASKING TAPE FOR IN REPLACING THE STEPPER MOTOR'S......???
HOW MANY MOTOR'S CAME FOR THE 31 BUCK'S FROM AMAZON......???WHATS THE SKU OR STOCK # I NEED TO ODER THE KIT FROM Amazon........?? & how long it take to get to your door roughly........ ?? & did they all come well packaged ( protected ) being shipped........?? & was there any hidden surprises w/ the motor's or w/ amazon........???
Great video. Very helpful.
Thanks for the video, It was very helpful.
+prabhjodh singh You are welcome, thank you!
Thanks for the awesome vid!!! One question what do you do if the needles rest on a little stub???
+jj coolj I would guess it could be possible that it could rest there. I would suggest testing further if there is doubt. Depending on the gauge, you could put an oil pressure gauge, or temperature gauge to confirm the reading. Then mark some masking tape where it was and where it should be and remove the needle and replace it right.
Thanks for the response! you got me thinking now, it is a gas gauge, and i know from not having it working, how long i can go on a tank with the trip meter, i will cross reference that with the needle and tune it appropriately. perfect!
+jj coolj It could be your fuel sending unit also. I have had a few cars that I did YOUR method!
The sending unit was the first thing i checked :) then the continuity from the tank to the dash all checked out so im confident this will fix it (fingers crossed) if not i can live with using the trip meter. not going to buy a new cluster for a ridiculous price. and no luck at any local scrap yards. going to try it out tomorrow and hone my solder skills heh
+jj coolj when do they rest there? When i turn my ignition off, mine tend to rest where they were before turning them off. If you doubt the position of the needle while in operation, i would verify it with another instrument, like voltmeter for voltage or a oil pressure meter, etc. If my gauge doesnt correspond, then i would remove and reinstall the needle with the amount of angular displacement to make it read correctly. Pete
WHAT IF, we pulled it all apart, AND THEN we watched your videos. How would we adjust the needles? Just below the "bold" mark?
it would be a bit of a crap shoot. i would put the hands on, let's say at "12 o'clock" position, install it, turn it on, take a photo of the the gauges, remove it and put the needles off and put them back on about where you think they should be. Dont let the shafts move when you have it out.. Then retest. Fill the gas tank first so you know the needle should be indicating full for that one.
Once you replace the step motors how do you reset the speedometer
Can you just replace the whole cluster with new motors already installed without soldering?
You can buy refurbished clusters. They only match a narrow year range, research which ones work with your truck.
But GM truck clusters save the odometer reading. If you replace the cluster with the wrong one, or one with vastly different odometer reading....not good.
If I didnt want to do the rebuild myself, I would find someone comfortable with electronic circuit board soldering, show them this video, then ask them to do it.
Refurbished clusters here in Canada are $250 plus. Buy the stepper motor kit from amazon.
Stay gold.
I just completed this including LEDs. Polarity matters on the LEDs. I also did climate control, and Have an LED polarity map for the OEM 6 CD changer faceplate
How can you tell the polarity?
@@soleslayer91 I traced the entire board :) I also also powered up the bare board in the truck and use a DC meter to check it.
I replaced the bulbs in my cluster an put in led now my voltage is off cooling is off an fuel is off how do I fix this
Does the mileage stay the same when u change the stepper?
+Chris Trent Yes. The mileage is a digital computer output, unlike the mechanical stepper motors
+Chris Trent yes does not effect milage
Will this set work in a 2001 s10
Where is the best place to buy the stepper motors?
you can just Google for it.. "stepper motors for YEAR VEHICLE "
Using a professional desoldering gun is the proper process. Putting tape at the end of the needles is no way accurate.The black colored stepper motors your are seen installing do not hold up and will eventually fail only leading to another repair in the future. 2003 to 2006 models have up to 5 issues: (1)Gauges fail 1 by 1 because of defective stepper motors. (2) Dim or dead VFD displays which are the PRNDL and DIC(driver info center). (3) Back lighting at night dim or dead behind the gauges, not the VFD's or digital displays.(4) Intermittent power issue where the gauge cluster and the entire panel will eventually fail leaving only your back lighting bulbs, blinker bulbs and "Check Engine" MIL lit up. (5) Solder joints and bad parts on the circuit board. There can also be software updates and need to be updated on the circuit board. If you're going to ship your cluster off and want it rebuilt properly with a guarantee, it should be done right once and once only without the inconvenience of inferior experience and inferior parts with no guarantee.
where how do you get software updates specifically for the clusters? in vehicle or removed form vehicle? the black colored steppers are cehap foreign made ones or? how do yuo repair fix the digital display? and the other issues you mention
a good technical person could do it
he would put a resistor in-line with each LED.
I watched your video on how to replace a speedometer steeper motor on a 2003 Silverado, unfortunately I am having to replace the stepper motor in my Silverado and I am having trouble finding one, I've called my local chevy dealer and they were unable to locate one. Where do you purchase them from?
Ebay
excellent video
Thorough video. You need a bigger soldering iron.
OK GREAT & SUPER JOB ON THE EXTERNAL MIC... U R GOOD & LOUD SO US HARD OF HEARING PPL,. HERE CAN REALLY HEAR U CLEARLY.... THANK U !!!!!!!! KEEP UP THE PROJECT'S ON THE TAHOE 03-06......
IS THEM YRS,. ONLY ON THE TAHOE'S.....?? IS IT FOR THE HOLE 99-07 MODEL'S OF THEM ALL THE Silverado's & all of them or what........?????
Can you get just one motor if so where from my ,,speedo quit and they want to sell me 6 motors at the parts store
I have a couple of thoughts on that. I don't recall where I bought mine from, it was long ago. First, how about trying a GM dealer? or Since many are selling them in 6 each, how about posting that you would like to team up with someone, and perhaps each take 3? Lastly, buy all 6, and then list the remaining ones for perhaps 20 bucks each!
is it the same process on a 2005 Silverado?
Yes this applies to nearly all the 2003-2006 Chevy/GMC trucks, Tahoe, Suburbans, Sierras, Silverados
great video thanks
Excellent
I can't get the damn readings right on my 2005 tahoe, this is so frustrating. Help?
You should have also replaced all those indecent bulbs while your where in there.
incandescent
Great video, thanks for the helo
Mine are starting to go out. When I do mine I am going to set the gas gauge at full so I don't run out of gas.......lol
Why even mark with the guages with tape? Just zero them out or mark them at a needles width below the line.
GentlemensTuck because with the cluster off it goes below “zero” mark and will be in accurate
I would just take a pic of them.
10 yrs later do u have the truck
No. I gave it to my and he sold it later for 3000. it was very low mileage, i think under 60k
I did that but I ended up with some pieces extra
Thank you, I've done
have you ever had a oil pressure gauge motor go bad
The masking tape part seems pointless to me
Read back through the comments then. it is the only way to calibrate the gauges
It would’ve been nice if you just spoke louder where people could hear you
No matter how much money i spend on repairs. The engine light will not go off. Keeps coming back on. Can i just pull a fuse? Truck runs great. Keeps pulling codes. Engine light stays off for five days, then comes back on. Driving me crazy!! Makes me hate Chevy. CAN SOME ONE HELP?
a scanner will give the codes, and a good scanner will list the probable causes for the fix. I dont know any fuse you could pull, that wouldnt affect other things. Just put a piece of black electrical tape over the light
Thank but i think that it much eazer to go to a secound hand parts shop an buy the whole dash ror $50 an juat reaplace the wholw dash
Hi have a 1997 chevy silverado was haven trouble with low iol presure i went too a used auto parts yard a picked up the whole cluster cheap just had to put the plugs bk in the for screws an was fix a ten min job an no soldering
I agree plus’s wen you take dash apart you can figure out how it comes apart always keep the screw as little ones are easy to lose even with magnetic trays and stuff so what I’m saying if you brake the dash it’s not going to mater just don’t break the cluster of gauges and hopefully you get a good one they had a lot of probs with these gauges in the 90s
I'm having issues with placing the needles smh
+Gerardo Rivera if you dont have a reference where they were using the tape when you start, it is rather a guessing game. You could put tape at each location and just put numbers, like 1 thru 9 on each one spaced evenly. go for a ride and try to guess where the needles SHould be, vs where they are. write the numbers down of where they are operating, and then pull the needles off and place them back the amount that they differ from where you think they should be. eg. lets say full tank of gas has the needle on "5" where it should have been on "9". take the needle off and place it 4 numbers higher and try again.
Daaaaaang son lol I am playing the guessing game nd it's not liking me 😂😭😭
+Gerardo Rivera ...and this is what makes victory taste so sweet!
They don't even move at times, I feel as if I put the stepper motors wrong or my circuit board is not working 😧
+peetre I'll try again later lol I almost turned super saiyenn trying to figure it out 😠
Could this guy have used a BIGGER soldering iron?...my gosh, that thing he was using was HUGE!!! It must have been a 60 watter with a 3/16" tip on it...A hint for DIY'ers...all you need is a 25 watt iron with a fine tip for this work...I'll be surprised if he didn't overheat the bridges and weaken the tracks on the board...perhaps that's why he didn't finish the rest of this vid for the reinstallation and testing...
...just sayin'...
60 Watt is considered low wattage for a soldering iron. Plug in wait about 1 minute and touch your solder to it. It should immediately melt and flow. Then touch hot iron and pin simultaneously. Then immediately push the solder into the iron and see it flow from the iron to the pin and the foil. 2 seconds maximum
So the trucks are built the same way in Canada as in the U.S.
I replaced all the steppe motors in my 03 silverado all gauges work good except temp gauge pegs out is it a bad steppe motor?
great video thanks