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  • @maxmustermann1206
    @maxmustermann1206 Рік тому +2

    @19:50 regarding the character in the book named Atheist and his response of laughter:
    "When a wise person has a controversy with a foolish person, The foolish person either rages or laughs" (Proverbs 29:9)

  • @quinncoleman6476
    @quinncoleman6476 Рік тому +5

    What wonderful, godly insights Allie. Thank you for faithfully and unhesitatingly sharing the truth according to God’s Word.

  • @dearally4787
    @dearally4787 9 місяців тому +1

    You can read John Bunyan court transcript when he was arrested. It’s fantastic!
    My favorite passage from PP is the crossing of the river and entering of heaven of Mr Valiant for Truth

  • @SantiagoPelé
    @SantiagoPelé Рік тому +48

    I am from Lima, Peru, and here, with great respect, idolatry abounds in Catholicism: images are worshiped everywhere, every weekend at religious festivals they get drunk, I had a call in 2012, since which time I have been self-taught in the Bible and I now became a Calvinist Christian, now my life has more meaning, purpose and above all hope in my Lord. I am definitely going to start and finish reading this book today.

    • @TheNabOwnzz
      @TheNabOwnzz Рік тому +1

      You are on the right path. Also read Calvin's Institute if you haven't already. Doubtless the theologian whose views most closely align to those of Christ and the apostles.

    • @talithakoum3922
      @talithakoum3922 Рік тому +15

      Catholics ideally do not worship images, and they certainly are not encouraged to get drunk at religious functions. Sounds like your particular congregation went bad. Sorry that happened to you, but don't use that experience to accuse the entire Church of idolatry.

    • @franj1142
      @franj1142 Рік тому +9

      Catholic can’t have statues because we worship them, but protestants can have the nativity scene with baby Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. Status are considered to be a presentation for the 40,000 + protestants denominations out there, it’s also a representation for Catholics.

    • @readyplayer1900
      @readyplayer1900 Рік тому

      It's unfortunate you had such a bad experience. All of us are definitely sinners, Christians included, and stray and do bad things and follow our faith imperfectly - however I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, and wouldn't judge a religion by the sins of its followers, but instead by the truth of its teachings - I guarantee you you will find just as much pride, hypocrisy, lip-service, idolatry, and moral failure among Calvinists as you will among Catholics. Trying to avoid negativity or sin in a Christian community is a hopeless endeavor, as the Christian religion is literally for the broken and the lost to become found and saved. It'd roughly be analogous to looking for a hospital with no sick or injured people, which is the purported goal of medicine itself. We go to the hospital because we are sick, and we come to the church because we are broken. Worshipping statues and idolatry are heresies in the Catholic church, and no such practice has ever been condoned by it, as the catechism states. If it is your home faith, I would recommend attempting to reconcile with her, otherwise you may place yourself in a position of transitioning churches or faiths every time a disillusionment or trial occurs. God will use any means to save you or anyone, but it is better to rest in your home He provided than calling upon God's grace to meet you outside of it. As Jesus said to the tempter, it is not wise to put excessive demands upon God's grace, even if He will give it.

  • @oldmovieman7550
    @oldmovieman7550 Рік тому +7

    Michael, as my favorite papist outside of members of my own family, this former Catholic now reformed Protestant finds your take on this very refreshing. Thank you for the work you do.

  • @sveatch40
    @sveatch40 Рік тому +4

    Thank you Michael Knowles! One of my favorite books of all time. I am thankful for the intelligent, encouraging and edifying conversation you had with Allie Stucky...I will continue to follow this segment of Prager U. I truly thank God you reviewed this book. Keep it up.

  • @ruaridhmunro403
    @ruaridhmunro403 Рік тому +5

    Absolutely nailed it Allie! Great explanation of the underlying Protestant story of Pilgrim’s progress.

  • @GrlsavedbyGrace
    @GrlsavedbyGrace Рік тому +22

    We are doing this book study with our ladies group! Wow, I'm excited that you guys are promoting this!

  • @JinaEzell
    @JinaEzell Рік тому +3

    Thank you for hosting Allie Beth Stuckley for this conversation. I listen to her podcast a few times each week, never this book club. Great partnership on an incredible book.

    • @JinaEzell
      @JinaEzell Рік тому

      We watched a modern day drama called "Pilgrim" last year. Find it and go see it.

    • @johnpatterson4816
      @johnpatterson4816 Рік тому

      Does Allie Beth Stuckey Suckey??

  • @thepsalmsman
    @thepsalmsman Рік тому +11

    One of the most encouraging and helpful books I've ever read - great discussion ♡

  • @judymarshall9635
    @judymarshall9635 Рік тому +4

    Excellent discussion! Thank you

  • @j27340
    @j27340 Рік тому +3

    Thanks, guys! That was amazing.

  • @gustavoserrano4877
    @gustavoserrano4877 Рік тому +5

    I love the "book club 💙 "..keep it up..!! inspires me with much love for good/healthy books that motivates the soul ❤️

  • @jyerkes94
    @jyerkes94 Рік тому +11

    One of my fave books with some great people!!

  • @diogosabino2545
    @diogosabino2545 Рік тому +6

    My 2 literally favourite podcasters !!!

    • @Athetos861
      @Athetos861 Рік тому

      They're really terrible people who take big oil company money and spread lies and want theocracy. Idk why you'd choose these ones.

    • @TheNabOwnzz
      @TheNabOwnzz Рік тому

      ​@@Athetos861 As if wanting a theocracy is bad, please. Democracy is the most evil system of government in existence.

    • @diogosabino2545
      @diogosabino2545 Рік тому +2

      @@Athetos861 Because they are good people with good conservative values and who talk publicly about God ...

    • @Athetos861
      @Athetos861 Рік тому

      @@TheNabOwnzz We don't have democracy the technical correct term is plutonomy. God has been dead for some time in the scientific community overall. It has been 12 days so I'm unsure if You're being sarcastic. Forgive.

  • @mateusmorais3176
    @mateusmorais3176 Рік тому +3

    One of my favorite books, my kids love it, I read the ilustrated version.

  • @BeckyMa9482
    @BeckyMa9482 Рік тому +9

    My teacher read us this book when I was in 5th grade (Christian school). I thought it was really boring back then, but I also was absent when he started the story, so I was lost anyway. Now I find it fascinating.

  • @hobbswade
    @hobbswade Рік тому +3

    So glad I read this book. It comes to mind very often in day to day living.

  • @EF.7.
    @EF.7. Рік тому +1

    So happy to have found this episode. I am planning on doing a read aloud of this book with my kiddos over the summer and from what I remember of the story (it's been many years since I have read it) I feel having them watch this before reading the book with help with their understanding of some of the specifics.

  • @michealferrell1677
    @michealferrell1677 Рік тому +4

    I’d like for Knowles to read our 1689 Baptist confession

  • @domenicdurante966
    @domenicdurante966 Рік тому

    Super! Thanks Michael and Allie.

  • @mmommo10
    @mmommo10 Рік тому

    Allie, you are such a comfort in my life. thank you.

  • @charliehuman-zp6ie
    @charliehuman-zp6ie Рік тому +5

    Literary classic. To appreciate if fully, best to have read the Bible and understand what it means to be a Christian, and that life journey.

  • @LCamilo7
    @LCamilo7 Рік тому +1

    Great book. I loved it.

  • @michaelfuller2153
    @michaelfuller2153 Рік тому +5

    I have Pilgrim's Progress on the sofa, next to me! Thanks for the insight...my copy is from the 1870's...a youngster as this book goes!
    BTW...I read somewhere that Charles Spurgeon said of Bunyan, "...Prick him anywhere and he bleeds Bibline..."

  • @liljenborg2517
    @liljenborg2517 Рік тому +12

    If you do Pilgrim's Progress on the Book Club, you have to read Bunyan's other fiction novel "The Holy War" sometime!📘

  • @ariellebell3904
    @ariellebell3904 Рік тому +1

    Our family has loved this book. Also our church community has done a VBS with that being the theme.

  • @katieanderson4353
    @katieanderson4353 5 місяців тому

    Reading an Abridged version by Abeka with my kids this summer! Very much enjoying it!

  • @mmommo10
    @mmommo10 Рік тому

    @8:00, brings me to tears. so beautiful

  • @wejpasadena1
    @wejpasadena1 Рік тому +1

    To Michael Knowles…have you considered doing an episode along the lines of “10 Must Read Novels?” I am always interested in recommendations.

  • @de-daa
    @de-daa Рік тому +2

    I couldn't get through it by reading it. But I've been through it several times as an audiobook. Everybody should go through this book a couple times, even if you have to find a different way to do it.

  • @kateriV
    @kateriV Рік тому +2

    I wonder how much imprisonment has affected John Bonyen’s idea of loneliness as a Christian.
    I have read that book after “The word on fire Bible - The gospels” by Bishop Robert Barron.

  • @user-di3dy4ly6v
    @user-di3dy4ly6v Рік тому +1

    At times God can appear to be distant and not there. But these are the times you have to keep putting God first. The bible reflects this several times throughout. The narrow road is not an easy one. But God is there.

  • @dthomson8619
    @dthomson8619 Рік тому +3

    AS to whether "Christian" abandoned his wife and children, we must remember that this is an allegory, a dream. Remembering this enables us to imagine that "Christian" in his own real life, would not abandon his wife and children geographically, meaning literally. His leaving his family is speaking of his "spiritual journey." Thus you did well to mention Christ's admonition that those who will not forsake others who will not come along, does not mean that we do not love them or continue to take care of them, but we must "forsake them" in a spiritual sense. We must go on our journey to which we have been called.. It is not abandonment physically, it is leadership spiritually. In spirit we move on; in body, we will be home for supper, play with our children and minister to our wives.

  • @joanjaeger8943
    @joanjaeger8943 Рік тому +6

    This book was second in a list of 30 or so novels that I am working through compiled by Susan Wise Bauer in her book "The Well-Educated Mind." The books are listed in chronological order, and it's fascinating watching how the novel transforms as an art form beginning "officially" with Don Quixote and ending with authors like Cormac McCarthy.

  • @BrianPasemco
    @BrianPasemco Рік тому +3

    You might not have heard of the second-most sold and translated work of Christianity after the Bible… It’s The Imitation of Christ, written by the medieval monk Thomas à Kempis (1380-1471).

  • @HannahSquats
    @HannahSquats Рік тому

    I love this book

  • @sewsinthedark
    @sewsinthedark Рік тому +1

    What PP was for me was a story representing the happenings of a new Christian. It's not that all of the characters or " help " were not always there but when we need help it's not always the same help we need. And though Christian physically left his wife and children, in terms of reality I think a man " leaving" is the action of a man whom God has called. If the family isn't saved then the husband leaving represents repentance and leaving the world behind and seeking God. The husband is still there still married still engaged but with his mind and heart looking to God, seeking Him and headed in that direction. A lot of couples who are not saved then one of the spouses gets saved, often describe the spouse who get saved as leaving though still physically present. Everybody should read Pilgrim's Progress.

  • @michealferrell1677
    @michealferrell1677 Рік тому +1

    The great reformed Baptist himself!

  • @michealferrell1677
    @michealferrell1677 Рік тому +1

    Just a thought but could Knowles bring someone like Dr Tom hicks to discuss the great doctrine of justification?

  • @FellshardYT
    @FellshardYT Рік тому +5

    I would say that your knock on the book as being an overly lonely depiction of the Christian life may be helped by understanding that the book has been seen by many as being biographical of the life of Bunyan himself.

  • @hydrolito
    @hydrolito Рік тому +3

    Other Bible based books that sold plenty include Bible Concordances, Bible Dictionaries, Bible commentaries, Bible Handbooks, Christian song books also called hymnals, fictional books about Jesus, Moses, King David, Solomon, Samson and other bible characters do also. Also, Graphic novels based on Bible stories and characters, also picture books with stories made for children based on the bible.

  • @Pet.Wifey.Voice.Of.Reason
    @Pet.Wifey.Voice.Of.Reason Рік тому +3

    Great review! Thank you so much for covering The Pilgrim's Progress, which would be my second choice for a review! But my main request would be the Satyricon by Petronius Arbiter! Please! Please, would you please talk about this ancient book? Pwease?

  • @paige476
    @paige476 11 місяців тому

    7:00 God works for glory of all
    18:47 false witness
    27:10 right to be philigrim, how monster how awful can take their promise from them. Dont wallow in despair, you can have identity

  • @RaulDarkour
    @RaulDarkour Рік тому +2

    A fantastic read. I tried a modern English version of this once, but it was a bad job at translation. I've read the first volume three times, and the 2nd once. Both are good. In some ways the 2nd volume (with his wife) is better.

  • @estelerundil4497
    @estelerundil4497 3 місяці тому

    My college prof (Joe Henderson at Biola in THI) said that the second book (the one centered on Christiana) shows how the community of Christ works together, how the strong help the weak and so on. This is something that's not shown much in the first book. In response to students scoffing at the obviousness of the allegory, he said that the purpose of an allegory is not to make you guess, "What does X represent?" but to make you ask, "How is the concept like the symbol? Why is X a good symbol of Y?" ("How is despondence like a slough or a bog?") It's supposed to give you a clearer picture of something more abstract.

  • @hydrolito
    @hydrolito Рік тому

    Love thy neighbor and pray for them that despise you are taught in other bible verses.

  • @mmommo10
    @mmommo10 Рік тому +1

    Just started reading this book. and it is so painful I can hardly read it. So grateful to know from Allie that possibly the "Holy Spirit is not with him".....love love that.

  • @philtheo
    @philtheo 7 місяців тому +1

    The Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan is one of my favorite books as well! 😊 It is arguably the very first novel. For example, see Robert McCrum rankings of the best 100 novels in The Guardian. And read C.S. Lewis's essay "The Vision of John Bunyan" for an intriguing review as well as praise for Bunyan's literary genius despite Bunyan having no formal education and only being a simple "tinker" in his life. One of the great Puritan theologians, John Owen, said of Bunyan in response to King Charles II scoffing at Bunyan's preaching: "Could I possess the tinker's abilities, please your majesty, I would gladly relinquish all my learning.”

  • @CJP9694
    @CJP9694 Рік тому +2

    2nd after the Bible: “My Imitation of Christ” by Thomas á Kempis

    • @wjm5972
      @wjm5972 Рік тому

      an awsome book, read it every year during lent

  • @Sturmpanzer216
    @Sturmpanzer216 Рік тому +5

    I am actually facilitating a study on this book at my church. I did want to have a movie event at the conclusion. Which one do you consider as the best ?

    • @uingaeoc3905
      @uingaeoc3905 Рік тому +2

      Ralph Vaughan Williams OPERA is the easiest way into this.

    • @Athetos861
      @Athetos861 Рік тому +1

      Considering the track record of conservative Christians and Catholics Cuties would be apropos.

    • @JB39402
      @JB39402 Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/faeen3y7PV0/v-deo.html

  • @bigbuggie5
    @bigbuggie5 Рік тому

    I haven't read this book. Do you recommend reading the book before watching the Book Club videos to get more out of it?

  • @ultraman3014jc
    @ultraman3014jc Рік тому +1

    I haven't read the book, but it sounds like a worthwhile read. The only thing that I'd disagree with is Allie's disagreement. The Christian life can, in fact, be very lonely at times. I'm obviously speaking from personal experience, but I have, and am currently, going through times where God feels very distant or far off. I guess the question would be this: Is the book being told from "our" perspective, or is it more so based on the reality of things? 🤔

  • @RonLauzon
    @RonLauzon Рік тому +2

    I also enjoyed the biography about his brother Paul.

  • @veganconservative1109
    @veganconservative1109 Рік тому +3

    I disagree a bit with her 'con'. Although the Father is always with us, WE are currently stuck in the physical with physical senses that can't 'see' the spiritual. So though the Father is here and in fact surrounds us at every moment... to us it is as if He is not. We have to rely on faith that He has not actually abandoned us. Didn't even Jesus of Nazareth who was blessed with the ability to converse two-ways with God cry out at the end on the crucifixion cross that he had been abandoned? If Pilgrim had seen our Comforter at all times then it wouldn't have been much of a hard journey.

    • @TheNabOwnzz
      @TheNabOwnzz Рік тому +1

      Christ cried out of human weakness on account of the pain He suffered, NOT because He thought God had truly abandoned Him. Hence He says "MY God".

  • @HomicideHenry
    @HomicideHenry Рік тому +25

    It must be noted that John Bunyan was told that at any given time he could be let out of the prison if he agreed not to preach the Gospel of Jesus, and his cell door was open virtually every day of the 12 years he spent in prison as a temptation for him to give up preaching the Gospel of Jesus.
    That as far as I'm concerned is the definition of commitment to one's convictions and beliefs, an excellent example towards the dedication of upholding the truth no matter the costs.
    Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

  • @marvinthemartian6788
    @marvinthemartian6788 6 місяців тому

    The original version of this is in some funky English. I highly recommend buying both the original and the updated versions. Cannot recommend this book highly enough. Liam neeson’s first movie role was in the original film as evangelist

  • @raoulcorinth1712
    @raoulcorinth1712 Рік тому +2

    Pretty sure Confessions by St. Augustin is the best selling Christian book besides the Bible. He also might be the most divisive theologian of all time

  • @swimmerfish34
    @swimmerfish34 Рік тому

    The lack of the Holy spirit's presence is not typical of Puritans. I think that is a great disservice to the puritans. Actually read things like Jonathan Edwards, Religious Affections and you'll see this was not typical of the Puritan writings.

  • @warrenn.165
    @warrenn.165 Рік тому

    Los Angeles is watching!

  • @reemanalshahin7767
    @reemanalshahin7767 Рік тому +1

    Very beautiful episode , so enlightening . I’m muslim and I relate to this book . Its true that we are on pilgrimage in this life and facing many troubles but Allah ( god ) is with us and every time that we face troubles make us closer to him. This life is temporary. I’m really surprised that many Christians are facing troubles with the new tolerance that you mentioned, I thought that all of Americans and Europeans agree to that mind . You really opened my eyes that this is because of the media . Even here in Middle East , we are facing the same problems with tolerance, thanks . I’m from Iraq

  • @NewWorldDAO
    @NewWorldDAO Рік тому

    Who gave you a license to do Evo Austin and Luke Francis? Susan Lindig? Larry Lindig

  • @CJP9694
    @CJP9694 Рік тому

    End of age: via the Eucharist, mainly.

  • @shanalee3866
    @shanalee3866 Рік тому

    The Great Controversy is another great book. You should definitely add it to your list. Anyways, it's not that God, in the person of the Father, Son or Holy Spirit comes in and out of Christian's life; in the valley of the shadow of death, he had the sword which is the word of God, Jesus. When you look closely because Christ was inn him he could've put on Christ which is the whole armour. God showed Himself outside of Christian in the form of a person when Christian allowed himself to be inhabited by fear or doubt or other temptations, however, when he was firm in his faith it was when Christ was in him. Christians are never alone. I hope I'll always remember that myself🙏

  • @Ketofit62
    @Ketofit62 Рік тому +1

    Pilgrims Progress was written by CS Lewis

    • @Tolstoy111
      @Tolstoy111 11 місяців тому +1

      Google is your friend.

  • @ThomasMusings
    @ThomasMusings Рік тому

    Whoa. I read this recently and totally missed the anti-Catholic bias.

    • @Tolstoy111
      @Tolstoy111 11 місяців тому

      Bunyan was a Puritan. What did you expect?

    • @ThomasMusings
      @ThomasMusings 11 місяців тому

      @@Tolstoy111 I never knew there was such a deep divide :)

    • @Tolstoy111
      @Tolstoy111 11 місяців тому

      In Calvin's Geneva, even complimenting the Pope was illegal. These two groups fought long bloody wars.@@ThomasMusings

  • @merlinwizard1000
    @merlinwizard1000 Рік тому

    17th, 17 January 2023

  • @MrJimwinder
    @MrJimwinder 6 місяців тому

    It’s my favorite story and we’ve recorded an album and do a live show based on the story.
    ua-cam.com/play/OLAK5uy_n2-h6YAjRlTdPaU6ADz067r7gfe7t_fyw.html&feature=shared

  • @guttermouths
    @guttermouths Рік тому

    “In one day he ended every future opportunity that doesn’t include speaking engagements at the local proud boys chapter,” (referring to President Trump)
    “And all of us that didn’t have jobs lined up will be perpetually unemployed. We all look like domestic terrorists now.” Hope Hicks

  • @CJP9694
    @CJP9694 Рік тому +1

    Catholicism was attacked for speaking on sacrifice in our lives. I think she really doesnt know the history fully. But, Saints have always spoke of sanctification.

    • @talithakoum3922
      @talithakoum3922 Рік тому

      I like Allie overall but you are correct. She is very ignorant about Catholicism and Church history.

  • @Ketofit62
    @Ketofit62 Рік тому

    Liars. Stop changing who wrote books!

  • @sw1632
    @sw1632 Рік тому +1

    Screwing over your own content creators. I hope they read there contracts. 🙏

  • @johnpatterson4816
    @johnpatterson4816 Рік тому

    Why should I want to read The Pilgrim's Progress"??
    There are literally hundreds of books greater than "Pilgrim's Progress"!!
    Have you ever read Tom Clancy;Clive Cussler;Larry McMurtry??.
    All greater writers than this boring assed book!!
    OK

    • @user-di3dy4ly6v
      @user-di3dy4ly6v Рік тому +2

      2nd most read book in the World. Next to the bible.

    • @Tolstoy111
      @Tolstoy111 Рік тому

      Because it’s one of the most influential texts in history.

    • @johnpatterson4816
      @johnpatterson4816 Рік тому

      @@Tolstoy111 Really??What about Larry Mc.Murtry's "Lonesome Dove"??
      Lot more entertaining than "The Pilgrim's Progress"!!

    • @mikeconnor4736
      @mikeconnor4736 Рік тому

      @John Patterson you must see and be warned of judgement and wrath to come, put off your entertainment pursuits, repent and flee to Christ for mercy and forgiveness, friend.

    • @johnpatterson4816
      @johnpatterson4816 Рік тому

      @@mikeconnor4736 First of all I'ma Christian.Iaccepted Jrsus 35 years ago.
      But unlike you I'm not a wild eyed fundzvangdlical.
      Talking about "putting off my entertainment pursuits",you beleive everything a Televangelist tells you!!
      My wife and I are planning on seeing "80 for Brady" tonight.
      If it bothers you,tough!!!

  • @Athetos861
    @Athetos861 Рік тому +2

    The description lol
    "Christians have been mocked, humiliated, and persecuted for their faith for hundreds of years."
    Pretty much the most protected group complaining about their past and exaggerating while actual oppressed groups still suffer the ramifications of impaired social mobility. Mocking Christians is not wrong, if they are going around saying silly things, which they often do. Humiliation is open ended. It sort of implies you got rekt in debate by the four Horsemen. As far as persecution almost every group faces that or has faced that. Currently LGBT and non-white people are discriminated against systemically. More notable is low income people are automatically discriminated against via capitalism, the system with built in wealth inequality, a precondition for some of the worst physical, mental and social afflictions on Earth. Keep taking the corporate pill tho.
    ps tucker got wrecked by the Satanist on his own show lol

  • @FirstLast-cd6vv
    @FirstLast-cd6vv Рік тому

    The same Allie Stuck-up who shamed all men years ago.

  • @scottheitmanmarinesurvey3557

    good book. Spugeon read it over a hundred of times. The audibook is riveting ( www.youtube.com/@ChristisLord ). My second time through.