@Goettschwan If someone is "right" and someone else doesnt agree with absolutely everything they think they are considered "leftist". The left does the same but calls you "rascist" when you have a different perspective on anything.
@@samiam619 That is where the bad reputation of Mosin clips came from. If you buy actual surplus clips that were made in Combloc countries they work great. I managed to acquire some East German Mosin clips and they are smooth as butter, even more than Mauser clips IMO.
Why does that matter? Magazines aren't hard to load. Not sure why people mention that. You dont need to always squish that last round in. Modern magazines load just fine.
What kills me about the glock mag is that even though it is single feed it is still pretty wide at the top, my mark 23 uses single feed mags but because it is metal it's pretty thin at the top thus working as kind of a reverse flared magwell making it easier for reloads.
@Jim Policke Not necessarily. With single feed mags the convergence still has to happen, it just does so in the magazine instead of the gun. If gun build quality is good relative to magazine, then you definitely want double feed, if the magazine is better built than the gun then single feed is probably better.
If HP made guns their pistol would cost 50 bucks, magazines 300 each and each bullet would cost a 100 bucks a piece and have a chip inside so you can only use HP bullets.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 LS engines, used to power the Chevrolet Corvette and some other Chevrolet vehicles. Some car enthusiasts like to swap the engines in their cars, and the Chevrolet LS is often a prime choice since it's so cheap and easy to modify, plus it already comes with copious power. In some ways, it's the Glock magazine of the car world.
@@dbmail545 I used a magwell adapter for the original Uzi mags (the Uzi mag release was on the adapter itself) but I've heard other versions just required a notch be cut on the Uzi mags. This depends on the lower you use (rifle vs pistol caliber). Not a big deal if you have any basic skills in using tools.
Mitchell, please show me a extended range sniper rifle in semi auto that’s as accurate as a bolt action rifle..... simple, you can’t because it doesn’t exist.
@@andyhenderson441 A lot of that happens here in the Philippines especially those architects who usually cater "modern" designs that use substandard or not recommended materials
@@andyhenderson441 "Artiste" architects and marketing weasels are just one more layer of compromise added on top; but it's compromises all the way down.
David Milisock yes, because the billionaire CEO says they don’t have enough funding so you have to work weekends for free as they are bragging about near record setting quarterly profits in the hundreds of millions even during the pandemic and that they are so pleased with everyone’s commitment to the company, while you and even some of the top best engineers are being asked to “donate your time”... then you realize they have pulled that crap enough that you’re working a month for free every year, and no they aren’t paying your salary as they promised. Billable or not you aren’t getting paid, and they will keep bragging about how much they make. You don’t get wealthy by sharing the wealth, it’s easier to be unethical thief’s than Godly people when it comes to the corporate billionaires. They will steal retirement funds (even if it’s your own money invested in it, and of course that isn’t legal but they know they have better lawyers), scum, pure scum. Hopefully I find a better place to work (and that’s not even why I quite, it’s because they wanted me to sign off on things that were defective and they were covering up safety and quality issues with things falling off of airplanes... so yay, gotta find a decent new job during a pandemic competing with lots of other lay offs).
Nothing wrong with using proprietary magazines. But your company will need to be prepared to produce LOTS of magazines and produce them at a realistic price. I didn't purchase a KP-9 because the magazines are expensive and hard to find.
I heard kp-9 mags costs around 50 dollars which is ridiculous for what it is. mags from pufgun or legal arsenal for same gun in russia costs like 3-4 times cheaper and have pretty good quality according to users.
@@randomperson-fr8ig actually even "native" russian magazines for vityaz'\saiga-9 here in russia cost less than 30$, and made by Izhevsk Kalashnikov Concern with army certification. And civilian mags from pufgun costs around 15$, saiga-9 is very popular here
That's what palmetto did right, they not only built the akv to take cz scorpion mags opening a market of drum mags and also incentivizing someone who already owns a cz to get an akv, but they also made extremely cheap mags of their own.
I don't mind manufacturers making some money on magazines but some of them just take it to ridiculous extremes, quick list from a local store in Australia - Barret MRAD 10rd .308, polymer - $248 Ruger AI style for Gunsite scout, 9rd .350 legend, polymer - $195 Sako 85, various calibres, 4-6rd, stainless steel - $355 Steyer pro hunter 4rd .223, polymer - $199 Tikka T3 CTR, 10rd .308, - $247 "But James!" I hear you exclaim, "those are all for bolt action rifles where the manufacturer has no reasonable expectation of you buying many of them?". I disagree, especially about the CTR and the Gunsite scout but as you wish, here are some pistol magazines - Beretta 92FS 10rd 9mm, - $129 Walther PPQ M2 10rd 9mm - $149 Walther GSP 10rd .22LR, - $269 Now this should all be taken with a pinch of salt for our American brethren because "Australia tax" is a thing so I'm not directly comparing. Just saying, sometimes downwards pressure on magazine prices is also necessary!
Wow, that is steep pricing. A PPQ M 2 mag with 15 rds capacity costs around half the price of your 10 rounder here in Germany. I`m assuming AUD for your mentioned pricing.
I’m refusing to pay $50 for cz kadet magazines... Though I understand they are pretty complicated compared to a standard cz75 mag (basically a magazine welded inside a magazine), $50 for a .22 mag is a lot
Those prices have to be related to a punitive tariff or something of the sort. Here in the US several of those mags sell for 1/4 - 1/3 (some for 1/10!) of the prices you mentioned.
Good magazines can be expensive. I like to have five magazines for each weapon I own - saves time on the range, leaves me still equipped if one gets damaged or lost. That habit can add up $$, fast. If I can save by using common magazines, it makes sense to so do.
Who doesn’t hoard magazines? If you plan on using the gun for anything more than backyard/range plinking, there’s no disadvantage to having additional mags, aside from cost. I always prefer inter-platform mag compatibility, but lacking that lots of extra freedom seed dispensers for any given platform is helpful.
Having plenty of loaded magazines before going to range can save you a lot of time. On many ranges in my country you pay per hour, so the less time i spend reloading the more i can actually shoot. I came to conclusion that 5 mags for a pistol and 8-10 mags per rifle is optimal for me, especially if those mags are high quality (like HK pistol mags - immortal unless you intentionally destroy them).
Hi Ian, I work as a Mechanical Engineer and as you say, in any design there are always tradeoffs. We have a saying "Good, Cheap, and Fast. Pick two." If someone tells us they want all three, we tell them: "Go dig up Newton and tell him he got his equations wrong."
I was getting ready to acquire parts for my 9mm AR build when I saw your video talking about Mean Industries "Endomag" inserts. I now have some and like it so much better than my friend's build who went with the more expensive option with Glock mags and mag well adapter. Thanks Ian.
Strange. I saw the same video (I think) and the guy making the video seemed to think a $40+ magazine should work better. My YHM AR-9 upper came with the Hahn magwell adapter, takes Colt SMG patter mags, and is very satisfactory. You can't beat the ruggedness and reliability of the Colt pattern magazines (which are based on Uzi mags) and they cost under $20 from ASC. If you want just a single mag the Endomag is the way to go. If you want a baker's dozen magazines or more, ASC Colt pattern mags are the ticket.
@@dbmail545 Yup. I bought 10 of the 32rd ASC mags from GunMagWarehouse recently. I paid a little less than $16 per mag :) And my Guntec magwell adapter gives me last round hold open using a standard AR bolt release, because it uses a sliding block in the rear of the adapter. It works great :)
Someday in a not-so-distant dystopian cyberpunk future, where the Matrix and surgically integrated neurocomputer systems become a mainstay, the buyers of new weapons with advanced computerized firing assistants will be asking once again: _"Okay, but _*_will it run DOOM?"_*
@Ezequiel Ridolfi I've been thinking about that for a while now. Glock : hello everyone this is the most innovative feature ever, we've removed the finger grooves. we at Glock listen to our customers. 😂
@@DriveCarToBar in what way do you think glocks have changed since the 80s? If you're talking about the pattern of grip on the handle, then your argument is pretty baseless. Pick up a g19 from 1990 and gen 4 g19. They are functionally so similar even most gun store clerks would struggle to convince you anything has changed.
Glocks are so over rated and plain , gun designers should be more creative like the 40's , not just releasing another AR15 Ak copies or another glock with accessories that are accessible through buying.
The main reason I generally ask about if something takes "standard" magazines is if I'm going to get FAMAS issues later on down the line. I.E. the magazines become unobtanium in 10 years.
The same logic for printers. The companies making printers lose money on each sale. They recoup their money in ink cartridge sales. Thus, HP programmed their printers to show the cartridges empty when they were not and increased sales of cartridges.
@@exquisitecorpse4917 Its never the developers who decide this shit, its bean counters and upper management. And with how simple of a scam it is (sensor already present, just change a number in the firmware), they could get an intern to do it even if all the devs in the world said no.
Don't be shy most people who watch gun videos know little about guns! 😀😀 You'd be surprised how small a percentage of military people ever fire one in combat and you don't have to have fired a gun to enjoy the history, the mechanics and comradery.
@@justinbellio2285 I wondered that... weren't 30 rounders legal in California (very briefly)? Couldn't you just, say, go on vacation and bring back all those mags you totally bought during that time? Or are they auto-jail for owning (would be the case here)?
@@jameshealy4594 I drive to another state, buy them, and bring them back. I can "legally" own whatever size magazine I want, just can't buy it in my state, and if it's something rare or proprietary, it's unlikely to find those magazines outside of a gun show, if I'm very lucky.
I don't own a Glock, but I do own a Beretta 92, so when I got my pcc I went with the CX4 that uses the 92 magazines and ended up with 4 15 round magazines (plus a 30 round magazine that I bought on a whim). It also worked out because I was able to flip the ejection to the correct side (the left) while maintaining the charging handle on the support side (the right). I stay away from the 9mm ARs because as a left handed shooter, the ones I have shot are less than pleasant to shoot when you get a face full of powder with every shot and cases coming at your face because brass deflectors are a luxury.
One of the reasons I sprung for a Definitive Arms AKX-9 was that it took Colt SMG pattern magazines. I already used them in my AR-9 and the ones from ASC are inexpensive, well functioning and as rugged as steel AK mags.
This is why - though I’m not super enthusiastic about the CZ Scorpion EVO 3 as a gun - I personally think it uses the best 9mm magazine on the market. Double stack, double feed, LRBO in the rear, and curved where necessary. And now multiple companies make magazines within the same pattern, which is good for the sake of competition driving prices down. Now if only someone would make a roller-delayed PCC that used them...
Why do you not like the EVO? I shot it and found it an amazing submachine gun. Now we could argue that submachine guns by themselves are in a kind of a wierd place right now, but considering other submachine guns, I found the EVO to be amazing. Could hit all black on a 25m target holding the thing for the first time and it looks really nice.
Once we have converted the Emperor to be a follower of Gun Jesus it will be a simple matter to have the Gaston cult anathematized. Then the purges can begin and there will be peace and freedom for everyone.
Gaston wants nothing to do with your dirty PCC rifles/pistols-with-arm-braces, glorious Glock Perfection (TM) magazines are for pistols and should not be sullied by association with 9mm AR15s with arm braces.
You could have brought up STANAG magazines as well in this talk. They exist so that many nations (NATO) can use the same magazines for their assault rifles and LMGs where applicable. Stanag magazines are (obviously) not the best at everything but they excel at being a (somewhat) standard form factor with a (somewhat) standard mechanism. "Does it take M-16 magazines?" or "Does it take 556 mags?" or "Does it take STANAG?" Many rifles take both types, one that is their own proprietary magazine and the STANAG. Some with adaptors installed and some just out of the box.
First i must say one thing. its a pleasure to listen to you. for me as a Norwegian witha slight hearing problem around .308 its so good to hear your clear voice and good pronunciation . this in contrast to many other youtubers. And second, a great video again. i have a Glock but havent got any of the 30rounds mag because i dont need them. but i have looked at the double to single stack thing sometimes im not sure if my roundt go in as planned or in a mess, havent had malfunction (yet) but that have been a consern for me. and i also see the wider mag thing. im a normal buildt man, on 194 cm high and size 12 in gloves. so the glock is fine for me, But i have seen people with small hands, like girls who gets problem with the wide magwell/pistolgrip , esp in shooting one handed. on one of the competitions i shoote we use 6 rounds pr serie. for that shooting a 17round mag is not what you need ( You are not allowed to load more than 6 rounds a time so you cant prepare for next shooting ) here a Single stack Glock would be better for people with small hands i think. Anyhow, i really like your videos, and i often learn a lot more from you than from some tacticool guy . thanks alot . Bjørn
I have built two ar9s, one in colt pattern and one in glock pattern. I found that the colt pattern is just easier to use. Mags are easier to load, it is aesthetically more pleasing and the mags are not more expensive.
@SpaceBoy_Moptop I agree! The Colt-style 9mm AR's just look better, and you can buy those 32rd ASC mags for as low as $16/ea. I also went with a Guntec magwell adapter, which has a sliding block in the rear. It interacts with the bolt release on any standard AR, so you get last round hold-open without the need for a 9mm-specific bolt release.
I mean I’m a third gen S&W guy. I’ve got a camp 9, sub 2k, and a Daewoo DP51 for the express reason that they take SW59 mags. They were the Glock mag before Glock mag.
Always very informative, appreciate it. I just did a 6.5 grendel build and the rounds dont do well in a standard 556 magazine, maybe 5 rounds at most would work properly. So next week I'm ordering some mags designed for 6.5 grendel
Outstanding coverage on this topic. I always leave smarter than when I started. As a follow up I would like to see the difference between Glock and Colt magazines for AR-9 builds. I’m still learning, and that is why I LOVE this channel.
Not to mention that double stack magazines are significantly easier to load which really makes a difference with those larger 30rd+ fun stick magazines...
Star model P in .45acp "appears" to, but because of the differences in the mag release catch the mags are NOT interchangeable! 1911 mags will insert and catch in the Star, but are not fully seated, and will cause the slide to lock open with rounds still in the mag.
There's a flaw with the business model which is counting on magazine sales to make a profit. I've actually looked at guns i was interested in, then decided not to buy them for no reason except the cost and availability of spare magazines. This is a particularly big issue for me with inexpensive guns. I have a Taurus 709 slim. For a while magazines were out of stock everywhere and the only option was to buy from an online auction, where the going rate was ~$70. When I finally found one in stock at regular retail price it still cost almost 15% of what I paid for the gun itself. I needed a small 9mm for ccw, and it was the only gun that had the necessary form factor that also fit my hand. If there had been any other option at the time I would not own a Taurus 709. Manufacturers of inexpensive guns need to either produce large quantities of affordable magazines or agree on some standard designs that they will all use and let the aftermarket industry provide them. The cost and availability of magazines really is a huge factor in deciding whether to buy an inexpensive gun or pay extra for a big name brand with available magazines.
You didn't touch in the fact that single feed magazines are a lot more difficult to load by hand than a double feed, something that is more important when you are loading 30 rounds instead of 17. EDIT: I mean "feed" not "stack".
I'm gonna disagree with yall having been hand loading single stack mags for over 10 years for the same handgun. I can easilllyyyy load a 10 round single stack mag in a less than 30 seconds by hand without a speed loader tool. Thats not a brag, just a fact. You are fooling yourself.
I don't have problems with my stendos, upula for the first few loadings and after that it wasn't really a problem to handload after that, my AR mags on the other hand all take stripper clips because fuck loading those bitches, it sucks
Ian's delivery is always perfect. At the end of the time, I feel like I learned something, and stuck around even though I wasn't sure I would at the beginning.
As someone who tends to end up with guns where there is no mag support, I feel looking for a gun with widely available magazines is a programmed reaction. Sure, it may hurt to be able to spend 30-50$ to buy a magazine made for your specific gun that's 100% reliable, but when you sometimes CAN'T do that...it hurts even worse.
Makes me wonder, could someone just make a factory to make a wide variety of magazines for guns with no magazine support anymore, third party magazines you could say? It would be nice.
From a consumer stand point, using Glock mags is handy because every gun/pawn shop has tons of 20, 30+ round Glock mags in stock for under 30 dollars all the time. Example I was able to buy 5 boxes of fiocci 9mm and 5 30 round Glock mags for 100 dollars. I wouldn't mind propiotary mags if they are readily available and relatively cheap, or even easily ordered.
W're slowly getting there, at least as far as PCCs are concerned. The CZ Scorpion was, and I hate to say this because it's honestly an overplayed phrase, a game changer in the PCC world. A polymer magazine designed from the ground up as an SMG magazine, taking direct shots at the MP5, while coming in at half the price of an MP5 mag and equivalent in price to a similar capacity Glock magazine, but containing all the features you're missing from the Glock. Now we have aftermarket support (Magpul, Manticore, F5 MFG, PSA) for magazines, and compatible firearms are starting to come to market too (PSA's AK-V and AR-V, as well as many other AR-platform guns) and we may finally have a 9mm solution for a PCC that isn't a Glock or the antiquated MP5, UZI and Colt options. Now we just need someone to bring a similar, cheap solution for other pistol cartridges (.40, .45, 10mm) that can ride the Scorpion's success.
@@Reniconix if I knew they had came out with braces for the scorpion I would have gotten that over my ar9. I'm kicking my self now because with the most recent gun drought scorpions have shot up about 250 300 where I'm at.
@@Reniconix "we may finally have a 9mm solution for a PCC that isn't a Glock or the antiquated MP5, UZI and Colt options." How about a Ruger PC9 Charger or carbine? Hehe...
In all fields of engineering, there's a saying "X, Y, and Z. Pick any two". (Usually X = Good, Y = Fast, Z = Cheap.) It's a matter of making the right tradeoffs so the solution space coincides with the right spot in the problem space, as Ian's just explained.
So if you make it good and fast, wouldn't that eventually lead to it being cheap? Like a kalashnikov relatively speaking And if you made it good and cheap (but seemingly slow, because otherwise you would have all three), wouldn't it be more expensive because of low supply and high demand?
@@lord_hemp "if you make it good and fast, wouldn't that eventually lead to it being cheap?" Only if cost was dominated by suitability for mass production. If it needs high-grade unobtanium to work, it's going to stay dear. There's also a big difference between price (what customers are willing to pay) and cost; the resources needed to make it. Unless price > cost, it's not a product, it's a burden.
0:49, That's a great point, Ian! I don't own a Glock, I'm an old school kind of guy who likes all metal firearms with the exception of a good walnut stock/furniture.
now i'm curious as to how and when and who discovered that curved magazines help the reliability of higher capacity detachable box magazines, and when they first started going into production
I think that would be the STG 43/44. Unless you consider guns like the Lewis, Chauchat and Dektaryev that used rimmed cartridges and had extremely curved magazines.
Never considered the fact that a proprietary mag could mean the difference between a company staying in business or going under. I'm less mad about my $50 Mini-14 mags now.
Brent Hannon idk anymore but for a long time the cheap off brand mini-14 mags were garbage. The only way you could get the rifles to run right was with factory tiger mags
I'm glad that someone smarter than me covered this too. This covers (as I did) the magazine portion of my reasoning to choose an AK-V over a WASR-m (or NAK9), and also why I'm waiting the PSA ARV rather than build an AR9 now (though I wish they'd parter with CMMG so I could to a radial delay AR9 that feeds from Scorpion mags).
I love watching these types of videos where the person doesn't have do any editing in the video because they didn't ramble or get something wrong, I've noticed that Ian's videos are way more consistent in that form than others
Thank you for taking on this topic and giving us insight into something I personally never thought about. Ive never really minded buying proprietary mags for firearms I love. But putting it into context that I could be shorting a company's sales by avoiding them, does put it in perspective.
Basically, when it comes to journalists (especially here in Norway/Scandinavia): -every pistol is a Glock or Luger -Glock pistols are from America and made of plastic -every 2-handed gun with a visible long magazine is a 'machine gun'
The company Cobra, in Utah, made a Cobra Patriot 45 that will take a standard 1911 magazine, which is why I bought one. I do have a 1911 45 acp and 5 7 round magazines and I recently bought two 10 round magazines
Man Ive been bingeing your videos for weeks now and I am wholly infatuated with the mechanical functions of firearms, it's really making me want to get into firearm restoration. Very cool videos, educational and entertaining without any annoying hype or gratuitous pluggery, have yet to find a single boring vid in your catalog. Got a lot of episodes to catch up on while I wait for new ones 👍
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“Some people rejected his message. They hated gun Jesus because he told them the truth.”
😂😂😂😂
"Your magazines are neither hot nor cold and I will spit them from my magwell..." -Glockelations 3:16
Heretics! Thomases, the unbelievers!
@Cyclone Bravo Nothing wrong with leftist views, unless it's of the tankie kind.
@Goettschwan If someone is "right" and someone else doesnt agree with absolutely everything they think they are considered "leftist".
The left does the same but calls you "rascist" when you have a different perspective on anything.
He still managed to mention the Famas in a seemingly unrelated video
He didn't mention the fact he has a bipod though, a shamfur dispray.
Gun Jesus works in mysterious ways.
famas having a 25 rounds straight magazine is completely on topic
I love the famas,
You see, when watching forgotten weapons, the FAMAS is always relevant.
You see those Redguards from Hammerfell? They got curved magazines. Curved. Magazines.
Kudos for referencing a game that contains no firearms.
Lol. I used to be an adventurer like you...
@@JonathanRossRogers true but I was thinkin the exact same thing.
@@thumb-ugly7518 then I took a bullet to the knee.
😂😂😂😂 CURVED MAGS
The real question we should be asking is, "Does It Take Mosin Clips?"
Krag mags.
@@lairdcummings9092 Johnson drums
Even my Mosin doesn’t take Mosin clips! Yes, they are repos but still...
Big brain:
The gun contains a built in Garand clip that can only be loaded by some fancy system where you shove 2 Mosin clips in
@@samiam619 That is where the bad reputation of Mosin clips came from. If you buy actual surplus clips that were made in Combloc countries they work great. I managed to acquire some East German Mosin clips and they are smooth as butter, even more than Mauser clips IMO.
conclusions : real magazines have curves
Real magazines have the shape that best suits the weapon and ammunition being used.
@@lairdcummings9092
I think you missed the joke there.
Laird Cummings Ok Laird
@@lairdcummings9092 Oh my, the joke went so high over your head it hit the moon.
booties
A great upside to a double feed magazine that wasn't mentioned, they're much easier to fill.
Why does that matter? Magazines aren't hard to load. Not sure why people mention that. You dont need to always squish that last round in. Modern magazines load just fine.
@@JayM1989 That statement needed an asterisk: May not apply to Glock magazines.
What kills me about the glock mag is that even though it is single feed it is still pretty wide at the top, my mark 23 uses single feed mags but because it is metal it's pretty thin at the top thus working as kind of a reverse flared magwell making it easier for reloads.
Sig P365 mags are a bitch to load because of this. 5 rounds in and each round starts taking Herculean strength to load.
@Jim Policke Not necessarily. With single feed mags the convergence still has to happen, it just does so in the magazine instead of the gun. If gun build quality is good relative to magazine, then you definitely want double feed, if the magazine is better built than the gun then single feed is probably better.
If HP made guns their pistol would cost 50 bucks, magazines 300 each and each bullet would cost a 100 bucks a piece and have a chip inside so you can only use HP bullets.
Yep, and I would buy a new gun every time I went to the range because it is cheaper than buying the ammo....
Plus, it would never feed correctly.
Then the mag would tell you it's empty with a few rounds clearly left inside
And it wouldn't let you shoot FMJs because it thinks your JHPs are "expired"
WHAT THE F**K DO YOU MEAN CANNOT SHOOT BECAUSE CYAN BULLET SUPPLY IS LOW???
Best option: just use a Sterling magazine.
*patchett mag
iirc the sterling disposed of the roller follower that the patchett mags had
Wish I had my Sterling although it was a 7.62x25 model and had some hard to load WW2 style mags, but still fun
Plot twist don’t use a gun at all use a samurai sword
Don’t own a gun
@@-suiluj- rent your gun
Only acceptable one is a 35 round horseshoe mag
Nah the nomar1911 magazine-stock is the way to go
@Lassi Kinnunen Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.
@@rhubarbpie2027 if it works, it works
@@milkchugger1729 And if it doesn't work, we'll do it anyway simply because it looks cool.
Union Pistol should become the new Glock
My online conversations usually end up with either, "Does a Glock mag fit?" or, "Drop an LS in it!". I think that's like 78% of online discussion.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 LS engines, used to power the Chevrolet Corvette and some other Chevrolet vehicles. Some car enthusiasts like to swap the engines in their cars, and the Chevrolet LS is often a prime choice since it's so cheap and easy to modify, plus it already comes with copious power. In some ways, it's the Glock magazine of the car world.
@@dominicporter5100 And they are amazingly light, and there's a huge aftermarket for it, yeah, Glock magazine of the car world.
@@spraynpray Replace a chaingun or a rotarygun's electric motor with LS, seems pretty doable...?
Nice Miata, bro! You got a glock mag under the hood? Sick, bro!
"Does it take Chevy fuel tanks?"
"And sometimes thats better"
*slowly looks over at double barrel shotgun*
This is my boomstick. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
@@oz_jones One is for fighting, one is for fun?
@@paulketner5077 ..but does it take Glock magazines? (hides from tomatoes)
@@Qaianna *Fires 107mm in your direction*
I used Uzi mags with a 9mm AR-15. Always 100% reliable. These steel hicap mags were $8 each at the time and are only a little more today.
Actual Uzi magazines or Colt/Uzi combo mags? The only difference is the retainer cut and I have seen some that had both cuts and would work with both.
@@dbmail545 I used a magwell adapter for the original Uzi mags (the Uzi mag release was on the adapter itself) but I've heard other versions just required a notch be cut on the Uzi mags. This depends on the lower you use (rifle vs pistol caliber). Not a big deal if you have any basic skills in using tools.
I use M3 Grease Gun 30 round mags for my gas operated AR 45 Pistol. Just need a small notch cut in it to use the ARs mag release.
Design considerations and compromises... The bane of engineers the world over.
Ah but so satisfying when you finally find an elegant solution :)
And not just in mechanical engineering either. For example, in software engineering, a common trade off you see is space vs. time.
Its why Engineers get paid the big bucks. If it was easy, anyone could do it.
And the word that makes engineers cringe: “constraints”
no, the real bane of engineers are spies.
Glock: Here is our newest single stack 9mm, the G50
Buyers: Does it take Shield Arms mags?
Does it take AK, Stanag, or TX-22 will now become the standard questions asked. Great video Ian. Thanks for posting and sharing.
And SR 25.
I remember back when people asked if it used Marlin magazines
...yeah because AK and Stanag mag compatibility is a nee thing....right? Lmao
TX22 > Glock
But does it take 20 round Tapco SKS mags?
It doesn't?!?!?!
But does it take a pedersen device?
bami2 bolt actions are OBSOLETE that has been settled for a long time now.
I think that was the point of the ped device
@@MitchellCH Yeah, we get it
Mitchell, please show me a extended range sniper rifle in semi auto that’s as accurate as a bolt action rifle..... simple, you can’t because it doesn’t exist.
finally, someone asks the important question! I wonder if it will be available in .276?
On the (lack of) intro I found myself saying 'I am Ian McCallum' ... never realized it was that engrained ... Love the channel, Cheers Ian
As a mechanical engineer can confirm your assumption. Literally everything in engineering is a trade off.
@@andyhenderson441 And then marketing tell everyone that it can do ALL the things, including those three they just invented!
@@andyhenderson441
A lot of that happens here in the Philippines especially those architects who usually cater "modern" designs that use substandard or not recommended materials
@@andyhenderson441 "Artiste" architects and marketing weasels are just one more layer of compromise added on top; but it's compromises all the way down.
@@Philistine47 As long as it's billable hours do we give a shit?
David Milisock yes, because the billionaire CEO says they don’t have enough funding so you have to work weekends for free as they are bragging about near record setting quarterly profits in the hundreds of millions even during the pandemic and that they are so pleased with everyone’s commitment to the company, while you and even some of the top best engineers are being asked to “donate your time”... then you realize they have pulled that crap enough that you’re working a month for free every year, and no they aren’t paying your salary as they promised. Billable or not you aren’t getting paid, and they will keep bragging about how much they make.
You don’t get wealthy by sharing the wealth, it’s easier to be unethical thief’s than Godly people when it comes to the corporate billionaires. They will steal retirement funds (even if it’s your own money invested in it, and of course that isn’t legal but they know they have better lawyers), scum, pure scum. Hopefully I find a better place to work (and that’s not even why I quite, it’s because they wanted me to sign off on things that were defective and they were covering up safety and quality issues with things falling off of airplanes... so yay, gotta find a decent new job during a pandemic competing with lots of other lay offs).
I'm just here for another installment of Ian's rockin' summer shirts and boys, today we have a real winner.
Magazines are dumb...let's make pistols belt fed
Never thought this would get so many likes wow. Thank you all!
How many round belt clips does your gun take?
Imagine holding a Pistol Rambo Style Hip firing Auto on right hand and Belt assisting Left Hans that looks promising.
@@Diddley_Squat All!
But I kind of like this one, I know its not a pistol but still cool looking "Full auto belt fed 9mm" ua-cam.com/video/34OsJ8qYjPo/v-deo.html
Ah the full review - Belt Fed 9mm AR Upper "The FM-9" ua-cam.com/video/jqk5XZaFJXw/v-deo.html
*There are more platforms out there than just Glock and AR-15.*
Not according to the media
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Lmao. No
Seriously....
Which is why i picked up a Browning hi power
Nothing wrong with using proprietary magazines. But your company will need to be prepared to produce LOTS of magazines and produce them at a realistic price. I didn't purchase a KP-9 because the magazines are expensive and hard to find.
I heard kp-9 mags costs around 50 dollars which is ridiculous for what it is. mags from pufgun or legal arsenal for same gun in russia costs like 3-4 times cheaper and have pretty good quality according to users.
@@randomperson-fr8ig actually even "native" russian magazines for vityaz'\saiga-9 here in russia cost less than 30$, and made by Izhevsk Kalashnikov Concern with army certification. And civilian mags from pufgun costs around 15$, saiga-9 is very popular here
Most of the gun manufacturers outsource magazine manufacture to other companies - Colt 1911 mags, for example, are made by metalform.
@@machinist7230 Yes, Mec-Gar is one such manufacturer frequently used for OEM magazines.
That's what palmetto did right, they not only built the akv to take cz scorpion mags opening a market of drum mags and also incentivizing someone who already owns a cz to get an akv, but they also made extremely cheap mags of their own.
I don't mind manufacturers making some money on magazines but some of them just take it to ridiculous extremes, quick list from a local store in Australia -
Barret MRAD 10rd .308, polymer - $248
Ruger AI style for Gunsite scout, 9rd .350 legend, polymer - $195
Sako 85, various calibres, 4-6rd, stainless steel - $355
Steyer pro hunter 4rd .223, polymer - $199
Tikka T3 CTR, 10rd .308, - $247
"But James!" I hear you exclaim, "those are all for bolt action rifles where the manufacturer has no reasonable expectation of you buying many of them?". I disagree, especially about the CTR and the Gunsite scout but as you wish, here are some pistol magazines -
Beretta 92FS 10rd 9mm, - $129
Walther PPQ M2 10rd 9mm - $149
Walther GSP 10rd .22LR, - $269
Now this should all be taken with a pinch of salt for our American brethren because "Australia tax" is a thing so I'm not directly comparing. Just saying, sometimes downwards pressure on magazine prices is also necessary!
Wow, that is steep pricing. A PPQ M 2 mag with 15 rds capacity costs around half the price of your 10 rounder here in Germany. I`m assuming AUD for your mentioned pricing.
I’m refusing to pay $50 for cz kadet magazines... Though I understand they are pretty complicated compared to a standard cz75 mag (basically a magazine welded inside a magazine), $50 for a .22 mag is a lot
Can`t you order them internationally?
Those prices have to be related to a punitive tariff or something of the sort. Here in the US several of those mags sell for 1/4 - 1/3 (some for 1/10!) of the prices you mentioned.
@@andrewweninger1059 Feel bad for you guys in Canada, can buy P-mags down here for $12.30 all day.
I don't get why you'd want to skimp on magazines with new guns unless you hoard magazines like a star-spangled dragon
Good magazines can be expensive. I like to have five magazines for each weapon I own - saves time on the range, leaves me still equipped if one gets damaged or lost.
That habit can add up $$, fast. If I can save by using common magazines, it makes sense to so do.
You just described my uncle's estate. AK, AR-15, 1911, M1 Garand...
Probably AR-15 guys. They're used to buying 5 magazines to last as long as on AK or Mini-14 magazine. Then say that AR mags are cheaper. :P
Who doesn’t hoard magazines? If you plan on using the gun for anything more than backyard/range plinking, there’s no disadvantage to having additional mags, aside from cost. I always prefer inter-platform mag compatibility, but lacking that lots of extra freedom seed dispensers for any given platform is helpful.
Having plenty of loaded magazines before going to range can save you a lot of time. On many ranges in my country you pay per hour, so the less time i spend reloading the more i can actually shoot. I came to conclusion that 5 mags for a pistol and 8-10 mags per rifle is optimal for me, especially if those mags are high quality (like HK pistol mags - immortal unless you intentionally destroy them).
Hi Ian, I work as a Mechanical Engineer and as you say, in any design there are always tradeoffs. We have a saying "Good, Cheap, and Fast. Pick two." If someone tells us they want all three, we tell them: "Go dig up Newton and tell him he got his equations wrong."
I was getting ready to acquire parts for my 9mm AR build when I saw your video talking about Mean Industries "Endomag" inserts. I now have some and like it so much better than my friend's build who went with the more expensive option with Glock mags and mag well adapter.
Thanks Ian.
Exact same thing! I was building a 9mm AR pistol and changed the entire build after finding his video with the endomags. So happy I did.
There are always compromises in design, as well as, purchasing.
But I feel it ultimately boils down to the owner's personal preference.
Strange. I saw the same video (I think) and the guy making the video seemed to think a $40+ magazine should work better. My YHM AR-9 upper came with the Hahn magwell adapter, takes Colt SMG patter mags, and is very satisfactory. You can't beat the ruggedness and reliability of the Colt pattern magazines (which are based on Uzi mags) and they cost under $20 from ASC. If you want just a single mag the Endomag is the way to go. If you want a baker's dozen magazines or more, ASC Colt pattern mags are the ticket.
@@dbmail545 Yup. I bought 10 of the 32rd ASC mags from GunMagWarehouse recently. I paid a little less than $16 per mag :) And my Guntec magwell adapter gives me last round hold open using a standard AR bolt release, because it uses a sliding block in the rear of the adapter. It works great :)
A "can it run Crysis" of a gun world
Someday in a not-so-distant dystopian cyberpunk future, where the Matrix and surgically integrated neurocomputer systems become a mainstay, the buyers of new weapons with advanced computerized firing assistants will be asking once again:
_"Okay, but _*_will it run DOOM?"_*
Where's my Glock 5.7mm, dang it?
C'mon, Glock!
I think only FN can make guns for that ammunition.
@@maximusprime98 literally ruger 57
Ah a fellow Romanian gun enthusiast
@@arozin6773 Another one
I think that Romanians have a tendency to like 5.7, I know I do.
I set up my 9mm AR to use Colt SMG mags because I was looking for the DOE AR look, and the straight mags work just fine.
GLOCK : *RELEASES ANOTHER CARBON COPY OF ANOTHER 18 WITH DIFFERENT COLOUR*
PEOPLE : *OH !! HOW INNOVATIVE !!!!*
But buy it because Glock perfection
There's a reason the design of glocks hasn't changed much, same reason the 1911 hasn't been improved upon for a hundred years.. it's already perfect
@Ezequiel Ridolfi I've been thinking about that for a while now. Glock : hello everyone this is the most innovative feature ever, we've removed the finger grooves. we at Glock listen to our customers. 😂
@@DriveCarToBar in what way do you think glocks have changed since the 80s? If you're talking about the pattern of grip on the handle, then your argument is pretty baseless. Pick up a g19 from 1990 and gen 4 g19. They are functionally so similar even most gun store clerks would struggle to convince you anything has changed.
Glocks are so over rated and plain , gun designers should be more creative like the 40's , not just releasing another AR15 Ak copies or another glock with accessories that are accessible through buying.
Loved the tossing of the mag @ the end 🤣🤣
Yes, but, can I unscrew the pommel and throw it at my enemy? Ya know, to end him rightly?
Hahaha. I get the reference
Bullets are just small pommels being thrown really fast, or they're small golf balls. Depends on who you ask.
“Its an older code sir but it checks out “
@@ComradePenguinski Also, they rotate when they come out of the barrel, so they are literally unscrewed!
New Glock accessory: Proper pommel to thus end him rightly!
The main reason I generally ask about if something takes "standard" magazines is if I'm going to get FAMAS issues later on down the line. I.E. the magazines become unobtanium in 10 years.
honestly when i see a glock mag sticking out of a 9mm carbine i think its super ugly.
one eye it looks like a hotdog in a hallway
I'm always a little disappointed when I see that rear angled mag hanging down. I'm sure most work fine but they look dumb.
We in Austria may now have no more than 10rd magazines in carbines, so they only stick out about a centimeter...still ugly...
Honestly I find it way more good-looking than a 5.56 mag lol. Definitely personal taste on this.
If your buying guns for looks your doing it wrong
The same logic for printers. The companies making printers lose money on each sale. They recoup their money in ink cartridge sales. Thus, HP programmed their printers to show the cartridges empty when they were not and increased sales of cartridges.
Imagine the world we'd live in if software developers had ethics....................
@@exquisitecorpse4917 Its never the developers who decide this shit, its bean counters and upper management. And with how simple of a scam it is (sensor already present, just change a number in the firmware), they could get an intern to do it even if all the devs in the world said no.
that's why you should buy a good reservoir inkjet or laser/led printer if you expect to ever need a refill.
Exquisite Corpse They got their pants sued off, and had to settle.
Works in the food industry as well, most people automatically add salt, so why use in manufacturing? Know as Auto Condimenting.
I'll be honest. I know nothing about guns but your videos are always fascinating nonetheless
If you watch all of his videos. You will know more about guns than most.
This is how you learn
The videos are how you learn lol
Don't be shy most people who watch gun videos know little about guns! 😀😀 You'd be surprised how small a percentage of military people ever fire one in combat and you don't have to have fired a gun to enjoy the history, the mechanics and comradery.
I live in a state with a magazine limit, so proprietary magazines that I can’t pick up at a gun store out of my state becomes a serious problem
How far are you from the border
@@justinbellio2285 I wondered that... weren't 30 rounders legal in California (very briefly)? Couldn't you just, say, go on vacation and bring back all those mags you totally bought during that time? Or are they auto-jail for owning (would be the case here)?
@@jameshealy4594 I think the state will require him to back up the claim that he bought them during that legislation period..
That really sux as many manufacturers don't see enough market potential in restricted state only products.
@@jameshealy4594 I drive to another state, buy them, and bring them back. I can "legally" own whatever size magazine I want, just can't buy it in my state, and if it's something rare or proprietary, it's unlikely to find those magazines outside of a gun show, if I'm very lucky.
But can it run Crysis....same kind of meme.
The answer is always "Not unless it's on its lowest settings."
Well, it'd be the same kind of meme if we were talking about some kind of ammunition that doesn't work in any gun.
equivalent presence
Crysis is a meme, mag compatibility isn't.
More like, Can it run Doom?
I don't own a Glock, but I do own a Beretta 92, so when I got my pcc I went with the CX4 that uses the 92 magazines and ended up with 4 15 round magazines (plus a 30 round magazine that I bought on a whim). It also worked out because I was able to flip the ejection to the correct side (the left) while maintaining the charging handle on the support side (the right). I stay away from the 9mm ARs because as a left handed shooter, the ones I have shot are less than pleasant to shoot when you get a face full of powder with every shot and cases coming at your face because brass deflectors are a luxury.
One of the reasons I sprung for a Definitive Arms AKX-9 was that it took Colt SMG pattern magazines. I already used them in my AR-9 and the ones from ASC are inexpensive, well functioning and as rugged as steel AK mags.
The "does it take Glock mags" is the same thing in the car world as "JuSt PuT a FOrD 9 InCH iN iT!"- change my mind
This is why - though I’m not super enthusiastic about the CZ Scorpion EVO 3 as a gun - I personally think it uses the best 9mm magazine on the market. Double stack, double feed, LRBO in the rear, and curved where necessary. And now multiple companies make magazines within the same pattern, which is good for the sake of competition driving prices down. Now if only someone would make a roller-delayed PCC that used them...
Why do you not like the EVO? I shot it and found it an amazing submachine gun. Now we could argue that submachine guns by themselves are in a kind of a wierd place right now, but considering other submachine guns, I found the EVO to be amazing. Could hit all black on a 25m target holding the thing for the first time and it looks really nice.
Thanks! it's a real look at magazine options!
I’d be careful Ian, the Cult of Gaston will be looking for you now lol.
Once we have converted the Emperor to be a follower of Gun Jesus it will be a simple matter to have the Gaston cult anathematized. Then the purges can begin and there will be peace and freedom for everyone.
Gaston wants nothing to do with your dirty PCC rifles/pistols-with-arm-braces, glorious Glock Perfection (TM) magazines are for pistols and should not be sullied by association with 9mm AR15s with arm braces.
Not just mechanical design that hinges off trade-offs, but software design is built around trade-offs too. Excellent video, as always, Ian.
ANOTHER well conceived and cogent offering! Thanks Ian!
You could have brought up STANAG magazines as well in this talk. They exist so that many nations (NATO) can use the same magazines for their assault rifles and LMGs where applicable.
Stanag magazines are (obviously) not the best at everything but they excel at being a (somewhat) standard form factor with a (somewhat) standard mechanism.
"Does it take M-16 magazines?" or "Does it take 556 mags?" or "Does it take STANAG?"
Many rifles take both types, one that is their own proprietary magazine and the STANAG. Some with adaptors installed and some just out of the box.
Operation: TUPPERWARE is now in effect.
I repeat, Operation TUPPERWARE is now in effect.
First i must say one thing. its a pleasure to listen to you. for me as a Norwegian witha slight hearing problem around .308 its so good to hear your clear voice and good pronunciation . this in contrast to many other youtubers. And second, a great video again. i have a Glock but havent got any of the 30rounds mag because i dont need them. but i have looked at the double to single stack thing sometimes im not sure if my roundt go in as planned or in a mess, havent had malfunction (yet) but that have been a consern for me. and i also see the wider mag thing. im a normal buildt man, on 194 cm high and size 12 in gloves. so the glock is fine for me, But i have seen people with small hands, like girls who gets problem with the wide magwell/pistolgrip , esp in shooting one handed. on one of the competitions i shoote we use 6 rounds pr serie. for that shooting a 17round mag is not what you need ( You are not allowed to load more than 6 rounds a time so you cant prepare for next shooting ) here a Single stack Glock would be better for people with small hands i think. Anyhow, i really like your videos, and i often learn a lot more from you than from some tacticool guy . thanks alot . Bjørn
I have built two ar9s, one in colt pattern and one in glock pattern. I found that the colt pattern is just easier to use. Mags are easier to load, it is aesthetically more pleasing and the mags are not more expensive.
@SpaceBoy_Moptop I agree! The Colt-style 9mm AR's just look better, and you can buy those 32rd ASC mags for as low as $16/ea. I also went with a Guntec magwell adapter, which has a sliding block in the rear. It interacts with the bolt release on any standard AR, so you get last round hold-open without the need for a 9mm-specific bolt release.
He's got two copies of "The Devil's Paintbrush ".
*Glock magazines also rarely work in revolvers.. 😉
I saw a girl try to put glock mag in a revolver at my ccw class
That's why the Dardick failed.
I mean revolvers are out dated tools for fudds anyways
@@internetexpert8153 you're gonna love smart guns
For now.
I mean I’m a third gen S&W guy. I’ve got a camp 9, sub 2k, and a Daewoo DP51 for the express reason that they take SW59 mags. They were the Glock mag before Glock mag.
A disciple of the True Faith. Hail, brother.
Lol, working at a gunstore, this question does get old fast.
*customer brings in SCCY, grabs glock mag*
"hey will this *clip* fit"
"...no..."
Always very informative, appreciate it. I just did a 6.5 grendel build and the rounds dont do well in a standard 556 magazine, maybe 5 rounds at most would work properly. So next week I'm ordering some mags designed for 6.5 grendel
I have had very good luck with ASC magazines. They make the best 5.45x39 AR magazines and are very reasonably priced.
on good old days was question simple - Does It take 1911's Mags?
Outstanding coverage on this topic. I always leave smarter than when I started. As a follow up I would like to see the difference between Glock and Colt magazines for AR-9 builds. I’m still learning, and that is why I LOVE this channel.
"I hope this wasn't too boring..."
Dude. Thats why we are here. 👍
I have learned so much just by subscribing to this channel. Thank you.
Not to mention that double stack magazines are significantly easier to load which really makes a difference with those larger 30rd+ fun stick magazines...
I don't mean to be "that" guy, but do you mean "double feed"? If so, yes, they are incredibly easier to load, at least for me.
Thanks for the info on mags that I never considered. Nice shirt!
There are times when I want a plain metal magazine.
The main source of AK reliability is the magazine. Colt SMG pattern steel mags are just as rugged and under $20 from ASC.
Ian never getts boring you made me understand a lot of things about firearms thank you
And then berreta makes the Px4, that "couldnt take m9 mags" until people dremel the m9 mag catch just a little bit and it fits in the px4 perfectly
I enjoyed this video, would love to see you do more like this!!
But will it take 1911 mags?!
glockteen11
Star model P in .45acp "appears" to, but because of the differences in the mag release catch the mags are NOT interchangeable! 1911 mags will insert and catch in the Star, but are not fully seated, and will cause the slide to lock open with rounds still in the mag.
There's a flaw with the business model which is counting on magazine sales to make a profit.
I've actually looked at guns i was interested in, then decided not to buy them for no reason except the cost and availability of spare magazines.
This is a particularly big issue for me with inexpensive guns. I have a Taurus 709 slim. For a while magazines were out of stock everywhere and the only option was to buy from an online auction, where the going rate was ~$70. When I finally found one in stock at regular retail price it still cost almost 15% of what I paid for the gun itself.
I needed a small 9mm for ccw, and it was the only gun that had the necessary form factor that also fit my hand. If there had been any other option at the time I would not own a Taurus 709.
Manufacturers of inexpensive guns need to either produce large quantities of affordable magazines or agree on some standard designs that they will all use and let the aftermarket industry provide them. The cost and availability of magazines really is a huge factor in deciding whether to buy an inexpensive gun or pay extra for a big name brand with available magazines.
You didn't touch in the fact that single feed magazines are a lot more difficult to load by hand than a double feed, something that is more important when you are loading 30 rounds instead of 17.
EDIT: I mean "feed" not "stack".
I'm gonna disagree with yall having been hand loading single stack mags for over 10 years for the same handgun. I can easilllyyyy load a 10 round single stack mag in a less than 30 seconds by hand without a speed loader tool. Thats not a brag, just a fact. You are fooling yourself.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Exactly. Thanks for pointing that out brother.
I don't have problems with my stendos, upula for the first few loadings and after that it wasn't really a problem to handload after that, my AR mags on the other hand all take stripper clips because fuck loading those bitches, it sucks
@@Paladin1873 Maybe work on your forearm strength?
Ian's delivery is always perfect. At the end of the time, I feel like I learned something, and stuck around even though I wasn't sure I would at the beginning.
As someone who tends to end up with guns where there is no mag support, I feel looking for a gun with widely available magazines is a programmed reaction. Sure, it may hurt to be able to spend 30-50$ to buy a magazine made for your specific gun that's 100% reliable, but when you sometimes CAN'T do that...it hurts even worse.
Makes me wonder, could someone just make a factory to make a wide variety of magazines for guns with no magazine support anymore, third party magazines you could say? It would be nice.
Liked this video a lot. Just going over mag design in general was cool
From a consumer stand point, using Glock mags is handy because every gun/pawn shop has tons of 20, 30+ round Glock mags in stock for under 30 dollars all the time. Example I was able to buy 5 boxes of fiocci 9mm and 5 30 round Glock mags for 100 dollars.
I wouldn't mind propiotary mags if they are readily available and relatively cheap, or even easily ordered.
W're slowly getting there, at least as far as PCCs are concerned. The CZ Scorpion was, and I hate to say this because it's honestly an overplayed phrase, a game changer in the PCC world. A polymer magazine designed from the ground up as an SMG magazine, taking direct shots at the MP5, while coming in at half the price of an MP5 mag and equivalent in price to a similar capacity Glock magazine, but containing all the features you're missing from the Glock. Now we have aftermarket support (Magpul, Manticore, F5 MFG, PSA) for magazines, and compatible firearms are starting to come to market too (PSA's AK-V and AR-V, as well as many other AR-platform guns) and we may finally have a 9mm solution for a PCC that isn't a Glock or the antiquated MP5, UZI and Colt options.
Now we just need someone to bring a similar, cheap solution for other pistol cartridges (.40, .45, 10mm) that can ride the Scorpion's success.
@@Reniconix if I knew they had came out with braces for the scorpion I would have gotten that over my ar9. I'm kicking my self now because with the most recent gun drought scorpions have shot up about 250 300 where I'm at.
@@Reniconix "we may finally have a 9mm solution for a PCC that isn't a Glock or the antiquated MP5, UZI and Colt options."
How about a Ruger PC9 Charger or carbine? Hehe...
Short and to the point. I cannot count the number of times I've had to argue over this.
Basically if it holds more than 20 rounds or so, double feed mags are generally more reliable than single feed mags.
I think you overestimate how many were serious, but thank you for actually discussing it.
In all fields of engineering, there's a saying "X, Y, and Z. Pick any two". (Usually X = Good, Y = Fast, Z = Cheap.) It's a matter of making the right tradeoffs so the solution space coincides with the right spot in the problem space, as Ian's just explained.
So if you make it good and fast, wouldn't that eventually lead to it being cheap? Like a kalashnikov relatively speaking
And if you made it good and cheap (but seemingly slow, because otherwise you would have all three), wouldn't it be more expensive because of low supply and high demand?
@@lord_hemp "if you make it good and fast, wouldn't that eventually lead to it being cheap?" Only if cost was dominated by suitability for mass production. If it needs high-grade unobtanium to work, it's going to stay dear. There's also a big difference between price (what customers are willing to pay) and cost; the resources needed to make it. Unless price > cost, it's not a product, it's a burden.
More good information from our morning gun historian! It makes sense for sure.
Have you seen them?
They carry curved magazines, curved magazines.....
Nowadays that could be considered a racist stereotype.
The warriors from Hammerfell...
0:49, That's a great point, Ian! I don't own a Glock, I'm an old school kind of guy who likes all metal firearms with the exception of a good walnut stock/furniture.
When it comes to PCCs I usually ask "Does it take Scorpion Evo mags?" Typically followed by "Why not?"
Bingo, and since Magpul is making them now, they have a cheap non-OEM option if they don't want to source direct from CZ.
@@tangero3462
Several companies are making them now. Even so, the factory CZ magazines are cheap, about $20 or so.
Funny, my question about the Scorpion Evo is "why doesn't it take CZ75 mags?"
Doesn't Lancer make CZ's factory mags?
Thomas Baughman you’re thinking of the mpx
The springs in my CMMG ARC9 magazines rusted from normal, non-abusive use.
now i'm curious as to how and when and who discovered that curved magazines help the reliability of higher capacity detachable box magazines, and when they first started going into production
There have been curved mags almost as long as straight mags
I think that would be the STG 43/44. Unless you consider guns like the Lewis, Chauchat and Dektaryev that used rimmed cartridges and had extremely curved magazines.
The earliest curved mag I can think of is the Federov but I could be wrong
It's pretty intuitive for a tapered cartridge, so basically as long as magazines have been around
Due to rimmed cartridges curved mags came first (not counting tube magazines which I guess are technically straight)
Never considered the fact that a proprietary mag could mean the difference between a company staying in business or going under. I'm less mad about my $50 Mini-14 mags now.
I don’t think ruger is in danger of going under if you don’t buy their mags
Watch for sales and they can be 25-35
You pay for quality. Very very dearly, you pay
The second hand market is pretty good.
Brent Hannon idk anymore but for a long time the cheap off brand mini-14 mags were garbage. The only way you could get the rifles to run right was with factory tiger mags
9:27 ...and away _he_ threw the shameful magazine and damn it _he_ did for its double-to-single duplicity...
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices Rheeee'd out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
None of my holsters take Glocks, and that is a very good thing.
So what your saying is my AR and my wife are the same, both enjoy a small curve after 3 inches in length.... Thank you sir.
DARKGUARDIAN94 she likes the short barrels eh?
I'm glad that someone smarter than me covered this too. This covers (as I did) the magazine portion of my reasoning to choose an AK-V over a WASR-m (or NAK9), and also why I'm waiting the PSA ARV rather than build an AR9 now (though I wish they'd parter with CMMG so I could to a radial delay AR9 that feeds from Scorpion mags).
I unironically want a PCC that takes suomi m31 mags rechambered for 9mm flobert
"I don't think that word means what you think it does"
I love watching these types of videos where the person doesn't have do any editing in the video because they didn't ramble or get something wrong, I've noticed that Ian's videos are way more consistent in that form than others
I still really want a camp carbine in 45acp with 1911 mags...
Exactly why I don't have one lmao
wonder how much a m1911 made in the original style would cost
Thanks for the information, I have never put that much thought into magazines.
* also, double feed magazines are much easier to load.
Thank you for taking on this topic and giving us insight into something I personally never thought about. Ive never really minded buying proprietary mags for firearms I love. But putting it into context that I could be shorting a company's sales by avoiding them, does put it in perspective.
Basically, when it comes to journalists (especially here in Norway/Scandinavia):
-every pistol is a Glock or Luger
-Glock pistols are from America and made of plastic
-every 2-handed gun with a visible long magazine is a 'machine gun'
The company Cobra, in Utah, made a Cobra Patriot 45 that will take a standard 1911 magazine, which is why I bought one. I do have a 1911 45 acp and 5 7 round magazines and I recently bought two 10 round magazines
Please Gun Jesus, read us that 'The Last Enfield' book.
I saw that too
"The Fabled FAL" looks pretty good too.
That would be kinda like " War Stories with Mark Felton". Gun stories with Ian. No English accent, but I'd still listen.
Man Ive been bingeing your videos for weeks now and I am wholly infatuated with the mechanical functions of firearms, it's really making me want to get into firearm restoration.
Very cool videos, educational and entertaining without any annoying hype or gratuitous pluggery, have yet to find a single boring vid in your catalog.
Got a lot of episodes to catch up on while I wait for new ones 👍
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