@jonathandyck4689 There is a slippery slope in telling Hasbro that products should be locked behind a fundraiser for stuff they could produce normally. Unicorn made sense as an exception since he comes packaged in a box the size of a washing machine. Now I see way too many people say they want characters that should be in the mainline be crowdfunded instead. Don't complain if a popular character eventually shows up on HasLab because of that.
I know during an interview someone from Hastak once said that Armada Optimus (pre-comander class leak for legacy) would never have a chance at a non-mainline release because they would never let an Optimus figure go to HasLab. Unfortunately I suspect the same is true for Megs. *Giga*tron on the other hand might have better chances... Man it's hard to tell if it's something they'd be willing to do or not.
@@robbyrhodes4572 The new one that is coming out, Autotrooper, Seeker, Sharktacon and a cybertronian trooper with the autotrooper having a kiss players head
I PRAY that Hasbro goes back on their opinion on Rail Racer, because it’s one of the best combiners that holds up to this day. To avoid poor sales, I could somewhat see them doing some limited edition titan class like Zarack, but either way, it’s still one of the most desired figure upgrades from myself.
I feel like the only way to do a G1 Megatron that turns into a gun would be to market it as a “spaceship” or “submarine” mode like Titans Return Sixshot or Siege Shockwave, and even then they’d have to design him after his gun mode in the Machinima series or something like that.
THAT is a cool gun mode, tbf. Like why make him a stupid pathetic Nazi peashooter that has to shrink to be held? If he's gonna have extreme firepower anyway, just make him a ginormous f*you cannon! Doesn't need to be held, and anyone not as powerful as him or Optimus who tries just becomes a glorified extra power cell. Yeah, flying space cannon. Flying GUNship. The pun is right goddamn there, Hasbro! Closest I see to that mode is MMC Tyrantron's cruiser mode, literally a cannon barrel with wings and treads.
@@reyonXIII Good point, but if they start in that direction, they'll probably just take it to the natural conclusion and just end up making him a tank.
@@Beedo_Sookcool And that is why that's been his default since G2. Personally, ever since ROTF, if he's not gonna be a purely terrestrial tank, just make him a flying tank. And in general, for a leader of fliers, just give him an aerial alt mode, like Animated or Earthspark's twin-rotor alt mode, though that would clash with G1 Megs's specific aesthetics.
Re: replacement combiner members. I had the idea of each team getting an additional member that is a modulator that becomes the hands/feet/chest piece for combine mode.
Honorable mention for Kaon from MTMTE. I highly doubt Hasbro would ever wanna do that character unless they DRASTICALLY change his alt mode to something a little more kid-friendly.
I feel like RID megatron would be pretty simple actually to make a new toy of; he’d probably just be simplified with the 2 headed dragon mode and maybe jet or bat mode. I also feel the same about animated shockwave that instead of quad changing they’d release longarm on his own as a remold.
I forgot to mention this on the Titan video, I'm surprised they haven't attempted the Megatron Head/Ship from Beast Machines. I wouldn't be surprised if they repainted the Legacy TMII as a Gen Selects BM Megs when he was out of the harness.
Much like TJ said about his season one body, I assume the low popularity of that Megatron would be why they haven't done it. Which is kind of a shame because I think it could come out pretty cool. Make it a triple changer with the head mode, the ship mode, and a robot mode that works in design elements of the harness.
So when I think about the alternator toys, it reminds me how my local Wal-Mart thought they were model cars and kept them with the model paints/model cars and not with the other Transformers.
My thoughts for RiD Megatron? Either HasLab, or make him a Commander Class with accessories, just so they have maximum engineering budget to work into getting those modes in. As for Beast Machines Megatron, a really brave Hasbro might do that too. A retool of Legacy Megatron that comes with the harness, sold at a higher price point to cover the cost of the accessory, which honestly just needs to be the armor, helmet, and cap that slip over Megatron with his wings detached.
Nightscream is definitely never getting another release. Not only was his original toy badly made (I've heard that the few toys known to be owned by collectors are falling apart, just because the plastic wasn't great to begin with), but he was universally hated while Beast Machines was airing.
One thing they could do for the twins is make a battle mask face and label it as a "concept" design just for a excuse to get us to quiet down about the twins. But we know how Hasbro is, they seem to never think about that type of thing
I feel like the Hasbo version of the Team Bullet Train in their original form should have been at the top spot since Hasbro LITERALLY stated they have zero desire to bring back that team in their original form. At least with RiD Galvatron, there's a chance Haslab could be hired to create a new version. That design looks better in white and purple anyways.
11:44 I can see 1 way they do Magmatron. Giving his dino parts unique robots, then combining into the big guy when you buy all 3. Gives you more play value, gives a completion incentive, and makes it able to hold more engineering.
Still, that is really unlikely almost every toy gets one repainted there are very few figures who don’t even combiners will sometimes get re-paints G2 motor master one comes to mine, and we don’t take repaint into account the complexity, the effort that probably only a few people will buy the entire set
I have an idea for how to handle Magmatron. Make him 3 seperate toys. 2 voyagers (seasaur and landsaur) and a deluxe (skysaur) Give each one their own robot mode. That conveniently looks like another dinosaur mode transformer. (Like basing skysaur's bot mode on Archadis) to make retools easier to plan. Then combine the 3 into a roughly commander sized robot. (And then use that year's commander slot for Big Convoy)
Rapid Run was my favorite toy growing up. I played with it more in train mode than anything. I thought bullet trains were so cool! Now I hear everybody say they failed BECAUSE they were trains. Guess I was weird.
An honourable mention would be Combiner Wars Blast Off; even though a jet makes more sense, so many people were "Nut muh GeeWun!" so he will forever be a shuttle. I myself have picked up just him so I can save him from obscurity, although a part of me wishes the head was accurate.
I hope they do other combiners like they did SS Devastator. Like if there's an SS86 Devastator, they will sell each member as their own full-featured figure.
The only way I can ever see a cartoon-accurate Beast Machines Megatron working is if Hasbro brings back the Pretender concept. Have the big red dragon as the interior robot and the blue robot with arms as the pretender shell. IIRC the blue robot mode of BM Megatron was meant to be just a suit of armour that let Megs interface with Cybertron anyway.
Hasbro: "You'll never get new figures of those characters because they didn't sell very well 22 years ago when the Transformers line was pretty much dead." Also Hasbro: "Our new Marvel and Star Wars lines are something were really proud of. People all over are rushing out for our versions of the top characters in their respective worlds and movies such as Captain Marvel, The Eternals, Wakanda Forever, Shang Chi, The Last Jedi, etc ."
I could see the Rail Racer trio being done as a Collaborative set with the Disney theme parks, redecoed that gives them the Disney monorail color scheme.
It's easier to obtain a gun legally than it is for hasbro to make a toy gun. (Which I need to know why Nerf gets a pass but Megatron as a nerf gun specifically doesn't)
I think the issue comes with how the wings and head would work in robot mode. Obviously BM Megatron’s dragon mode is just TM2 Megatron’s dragon mode with a more patch-like color scheme. But for TM2 Megatron’s robot mode, the dragon wings just fold up their wing span and his robot mode head is connected to his beast mode tail. I’d say that in order for BM Megatron to be made in Legacy, Hasbro would not only have to repaint the Legacy TM2 Megatron, but also retool some of his transformation. For example, they could try and get the wings to fold in more in order to hide them under the robes for the harness. And for Megatron’s head to properly fit inside the harness’s helmet, Hasbro could take inspiration from the old BM Megatron toy and have his right arm become his tail in dragon mode. I can’t say it’d be the perfect solution, but it would be the groundwork for how to try and get a Legacy BM Megatron made.
I have Rail Racer, so I'm completely okay with them never getting updated. However, if a third party decided to make them, I'd consider purchasing a second set Also TJ, the amount that Michael Bay said he would give out for finding the twins in DOTM was $25,000, but it's irrelevant because when people reported on forums that they had found the twins, Bay denied it, saying that it didn't count. Theorymus did an interesting video on this recently.
I'm not sure if I agree with the obscurity argument on Magmatron compared to his contemporaries, he did actually come out in the west as one of the exclusive Dinobots during Beast Machines. Might fit into more of the territory they do with a Haslab but I wouldn't write him off entirely. I definitely see where you're coming from with a "proper" Beast Machine's Megatron. Unfortunately even 3rd parties tend to avoid this era like the plague, I would totally be in the market for an upgrade kit for the Transmetal 2 Leader that at least gives the harness for him, even if it wasn't 100% accurate to the show appearance.
10. There is a chance we might see these characters again, though they might be recolours of non-combiner characters. 09. As some have commented below, HasLab is probably the best approach. 08. This one’s pretty much a ‘box checked’, even if some weren’t happy with the execution. 07. If we get a new Prime Smokecreen, a ‘season three’ redeco might be the closest we get to that. 06. Possible HasLab project too. 05. They’d probably have to re-invent the transformation and deco for this one. 04. Yeah, I don’t know how this would work. 03. Hasbro could always go back on their word on this one. 02. At best, I see these two being done at core class. 01. Kind of cheat, since, like you said, it’s just the alt mode that can’t be redone.
@@Rabbitlord108 As a stand-alone size class, yes it appears to be gone. However, smaller-sized figures will still be packed with some of the larger toys, when they feel the need for it.
So this may be a weird question. I know toy laws don’t allow for toys that look like real guns, but I’ve seen a few ads where real guns are starting to look like toys. Like bright pink or even hello kitty. I think I saw one made in the theme of Sally from nightmare before Christmas. How is that not also a problem?
Rail racer would be a great Asia and Europe exclusive considering how prevalent the high speed rails are in those areas that can trickle to US for The collectors that want them.
He just laid out why. The laws are even stricter than ever before. And anyone with a functioning set of eyes, ears, and ability to check the news around them can easily figure out why. And with the apparent increased focus in accuracy or homaging, any gun Megatron that's not metallic greyish is going to be met with whining of inaccuracy. It's a losing endeavor no matter the direction, and not worth all of the potential trouble they can get into just to sate the minority of adults whose nostalgia blinds them from what's going on in the world around them.
The legal situation around G1 Megatron is a bit more complicated than "not allowed in the US", but the effect is the same. Realistic toy guns are 100% legal on the federal level, provided they meet certain coloring standards (orange tip, transparent body, the like). The problem is that state laws are far more stringent, with some states having more extensive coloring standards, and some states outright banning them. So yeah, any gun Megatron would be unviable, and a screen-accurate gun Megatron would be nearly impossible.
What they could do with Beast Machines Megs would be to make another mold of the dragon megs from Legacy, but with a battle suit cape and attachments to make him powered up into BW Megs.
They could do RID Megs, but it would likely only have three modes. They won't. Don't think they will. But they did make the versions of Scourge, so maybe, and a redo of the Fire Convoy isn't gonna be because that thing was a mess to transform.
Hasbro also said we would *never* get a Devcon. i agree with some of these. but others i feel are just a matter of the right designer pitching the right thing at the right time.
Don't tease me about a Botanica toy TJ. She is one of the only characters to appear on screen that hasn't had a toy. We got an honest to goodness Transmutate as a build a figure for crying out loud.
As another commenter said, it's not just his colors or an orange tip that keep us from getting a G1-accurate Megatron outside of Masterpiece, it's that different states have vary levels of strictness with their toy gun laws. It'd be too much of a logistical nightmare to get a G1 Megs made that turns into a gun and obeys both federal and state laws out to market, which is why Megatron is typically either a tank or some sort of alien vehicle these days, especially since unlike Masterpiece, mainline Transformers is ostensibly targeted at kids.
Probably the main reason why they don't use the Alternators Smokescreen color scheme is because it is from an actual car, so they would need to pay licensing fees in order to use it.
Can I make a couple of suggestions? I'd really like to see a Here's 10 list of fiction only characters that deserve toys. Some of them would be easy, because they are virtual redecos, but some would be kind of hard. Another Here's 10 I would really like to see is a list of non-G1, non-Beast Wars reissues that we need. I'd love to see some RID stuff reissued. As for this list, I could see some of these characters getting new toys, but only in Japan. Like, Team Bullet Train. I can see Takara doing something with those. Although, them doing stuff independently is not as frequent as it used to be.
Honestly, if I worked at Hasbro, I would've made sure Skids and Mudflap would make it in Studio Series. The way I look at it: Studio Series should always be live action movie designs only. They're the lawful good of the line. Even if the Gamer edition figures based on the WFC game generally look good, those are more like neutral. They look good, but they needed their own toyline, separated from the Studio Series name. And all the SS86 figures fall into Chaotic Evil, because prior to the first of those figures, Studio Series seemed to be the final bastion of the Transformers franchise that hadn't been contaminated by G1 nostalgia, providing some escapism from all the G1 stuff at the time, and as soon as they announced they wanted to branch off to G1 to celebrate the 35th anniversary of the 1986 movie, that bit of escapism was taken away from us. Hell, I'd even argue that some of the characters we got in SS86 had better figures in previous toy lines because slavish G1 cartoon accuracy is not always a good thing.
I could see them doing another Devastator where the individual vehicles don't have robot modes since they didn't in the movie anyway. That would make for a better combined mode overall.
I do think Bumper can come back. He just needs a new color to be his own like Bugbite has white for his for them to use with the Bumblebee molds. Maybe blue for Bumper.
I will wait as long as it takes for skids and mudflap to get studio series figures, so that way I can have them get what they should’ve deserved in the movie, a good old split in half from Megatron.
I vaugley remember during DotM filming, some on-set footage leaked of the Twins crashing and their cars being totaled. Still kinda disappointed we didn't see them scrapped on screen.
I have to say that people are being babies. I loved that G1 Megatron I've always wanted one for myself. I'm 46 I will never treat it like a gun. Meaning I won't go into the streets and shoot people. I might use it as a prop in a play but that's it. I know that will never do something stupid
I honestly think he is the most likely figure, because he'd be an easy reuse of Bumblebee and Cliffjumper molds. And he'd get enough completionist fans wanting him a selects would work. If we got Hubcap, I don't think Bumper is out of the running.
I kinda like Megatron getting new altmodes, tanks really seem to suit him, then there's his two different attack helicopter depictions in Animated and Earthspark that were pretty cool.
perhaps for #10-8. 2 and 1, however, Hasbro has already put their foot down, and doing them just to sate the nostalgia of a minority of manchildren will not be worth ALL the trouble they'd be putting themselves in.
Mentioning RID Megatron/Gigatron and Magmatron, one of the things I think Takara did smarter than Hasbro was not constantly relying on Megatron to be the threat in every new iteration of their franchise.Magmatron and Gigatron were not only awesome designs but awesome names for new leaders/threats. TF in the west needs new variety. The endless cycle of Optimus and Megatron has become bland. I mean thats why they tried a mid franchise refresh in G1 with Rodimus and Galvatron. If they had gone about it in a better way, it may have worked.
I believe the Combiner Wars replacement characters have a chance to come back mainly because groups like the Protectibots benefit for having more unique aspects rather than jus be another Scramble Combiner. All that remains is Hasbro thinking a new Defensor is needed or not lol. Regarding RID01 Megs, I think there’s a chance of him being a Haslab mainly because he’s such a unique design that I can see Hasbro going “we really want to try this” and campaign it.
If hasbro were to do a G1 gun megatron he's has to be made in the modern day core class (price) size or as a target master. Like for example a SS86 core class "gun" megatron or SS86 target master megatron.
The best shot at a Gun Megatron we have is one that turns into something else but some sneaky designer sneaks in gun mode through fanmoding or something.
was considering the Studio Series Devastator but then i found the original movie Titan version for $75 and it’s super solid. no individual robot modes but the combined mode looks great and is mad fun
By extension, G1 Shockwave will also never get a gun mode toy either. The Siege version had to fake a submarine mode like TR Sixshot in order to be released.
Alternators Smokescreen is unlikely to get an homage simply because his livery was a direct homage to Colin McCrea, an INFAMOUS Rallycross driver who died not long after the original toy released. He drove a Subaru with that deco, and that's why Alternators Smokescreen hits like it does for motorheads like me. I don't see Subaru licensing the McCrea livery again out of respect to Colin and his family, but stranger things have happened.
Magmatron is actually the most well known in the U.S. because he's the only one of the Japanese leaders that actually had an American release in the Dinobots subline. It might be confusing if they suddenly marketed him as a Predacon because in the U.S. he was actually sold as a Maximal. I'm not sure if there's any in universe explanation given as to why he's a Predacon leader in Japan and a Maximal in the U.S. I do think they could redo him though and actually make the design MORE complex cause the original design didn't have individual robot modes for the Airsaur, Seasaur, and Landsaur. The way he combines is pretty simple actually and they have done something similar and at a smaller scale with Armada and Energon Perceptor and also more recently with Centuritron. Granted it likely wouldn't be as solid as the original one was but I don't see why they wouldn't make a modern version when Lio Convoy is honestly way more complex with the way he transforms. Also... the only possible way I could MAYBE and this is a HUGE MAYBE, see Megatron as a gun ever again is if he's not marketed to be a gun. Like if they designed and sold the toy as something else and made the gun a hidden mode that isn't advertised anywhere it's not in the instructions anywhere, but the parts exist to make his gun mode, then MAYBE they could get away with it. They'd have to try a lot harder than they did with Shockwave and Sixshot where the gun mode is marketed as a submarine and it's clearly just the gun mode upside down cause that's not going to work for a realistic gun. It would actually have to have some transformation to it and probably some dedicated parts. I mean we've also KIND of seen this happen with Soundwave where they've given him a vehicle mode and it's not officially a tape deck but you can still fan mode him into one. That's the only way I could ever see gun Megatron happening at this point is if they sneak it in as an "unofficial" 3rd mode.
Magmatron got a bit of notice stateside with his appearance in IDW's first two BEAST WARS minis, The Gathering and Ascension. It's where I fell in love with the Predacon. I'd snatch him up if he was offered up again.
I’ve got an idea for this. Do a working Nerf gun crossover with G1 Megatron. I just want the experience of owning a Nerf version of his original mode. And I’m not talking about the classics version. G1 Megatron as a Nerf gun. The Nerf toy line already has a blaster that looks like Megatron‘s original mode. Just give it the ability to transform, and there you go.
That's never worked out. The mechanisms of a Nerf gun taking up SO much of the internals would compromise the transformation engineering, never mind the action figure functionality. At that point, it might as well JUST be that ROTB Optimus gimmick blaster. He'll certainly be a nice transforming gun Megatron, sure but he won't be fitting the whole collector's action figure angle that is their main bread and butter. And Collaborative hasn't exactly been doing well either anyway.
What if Magmatron remake as a toy figure. We'll should ask TakaraTomy and Hasbro ask for a request to make it one more time. Even I had toy of Magnaboss 3 in 1 combine warrior as toy. Unless G1 Quintessons to make a toy that would bizzaire.
I feel like bumper could get a bigger in the buzz were the bumblebee set it feels like something they could do since they did beast wars, toy color repairs feels like something they would do redo the cliff jumper mold, which would be cool
I will comeback and comment if any of the characters on this list get a new toy
And when it gets a new toy I will return and make sure
You're a hero
I hope to see this
I will cry if you comment mpm devastator
I will rejoice if you comment Magmatron.
I think it's safe to say that Number 6 did not age well, and we couldn't be happier for it!
MAGMATRON SWEEP
Didn't take long for Magmatron to get a new toy, now did it.
Funny how I watched this for the first time just an hour after Magmatron was revealed for Legacy
I’m still holding out hope that rid megatron will get something, honestly haslab seems best for him
I hope so too
HasLab and its supporters have been a disaster for the Transformers community
@@glucosefructose how so? havent all the haslab transformer stuff been a resounding success??
@jonathandyck4689 There is a slippery slope in telling Hasbro that products should be locked behind a fundraiser for stuff they could produce normally. Unicorn made sense as an exception since he comes packaged in a box the size of a washing machine. Now I see way too many people say they want characters that should be in the mainline be crowdfunded instead. Don't complain if a popular character eventually shows up on HasLab because of that.
I know during an interview someone from Hastak once said that Armada Optimus (pre-comander class leak for legacy) would never have a chance at a non-mainline release because they would never let an Optimus figure go to HasLab. Unfortunately I suspect the same is true for Megs.
*Giga*tron on the other hand might have better chances... Man it's hard to tell if it's something they'd be willing to do or not.
We'll see how well this list will age. You never know with Hasbro and Takara on what they will or won't do these days
They did a kiss players reference and childhood trauma two pack. Who knows what they would do these days.
@dillydraws when they do that?
@@robbyrhodes4572 Just recently. The troop pack has a head to reference kiss players and they mentioned it!! And then the bb Prowl and Ironhide
@dillydraws what troop pack? And
@@robbyrhodes4572 The new one that is coming out, Autotrooper, Seeker, Sharktacon and a cybertronian trooper with the autotrooper having a kiss players head
I PRAY that Hasbro goes back on their opinion on Rail Racer, because it’s one of the best combiners that holds up to this day. To avoid poor sales, I could somewhat see them doing some limited edition titan class like Zarack, but either way, it’s still one of the most desired figure upgrades from myself.
"Magmatron Will Not Get A New Toy"
2 Months Later:
"Magmatron Is Getting A New Toy."
I feel like the only way to do a G1 Megatron that turns into a gun would be to market it as a “spaceship” or “submarine” mode like Titans Return Sixshot or Siege Shockwave, and even then they’d have to design him after his gun mode in the Machinima series or something like that.
Or they could make a tank with a hidden non advertised gun mode
THAT is a cool gun mode, tbf. Like why make him a stupid pathetic Nazi peashooter that has to shrink to be held? If he's gonna have extreme firepower anyway, just make him a ginormous f*you cannon! Doesn't need to be held, and anyone not as powerful as him or Optimus who tries just becomes a glorified extra power cell. Yeah, flying space cannon. Flying GUNship. The pun is right goddamn there, Hasbro!
Closest I see to that mode is MMC Tyrantron's cruiser mode, literally a cannon barrel with wings and treads.
@@reyonXIII Good point, but if they start in that direction, they'll probably just take it to the natural conclusion and just end up making him a tank.
@@Beedo_Sookcool And that is why that's been his default since G2. Personally, ever since ROTF, if he's not gonna be a purely terrestrial tank, just make him a flying tank.
And in general, for a leader of fliers, just give him an aerial alt mode, like Animated or Earthspark's twin-rotor alt mode, though that would clash with G1 Megs's specific aesthetics.
@@okamithewanderingwolf172Based on Megatron in the Combiner Wars show who had a tank and a cool rifle mode.
I weep at the lack of hope for Rail Racer. My favorite Combiner. An upscaled version would be amazing.
I love Rail Racer too. So I am hoping he is wrong with this one, because I would love a new version of that team.
I don't think Rail Racer is impossible to do.
Hopefully 3rd party companies will do him and Megatron
I can't believe he didn't sell well the first time. I remember he sold quite well at my Toys "R" Us.
@@vriderch1360 It isn't. It's impossible to sell trains IN AMERICA. One season of Super Sentai wasn't adapted into Power Rangers for that reason.
Re: replacement combiner members. I had the idea of each team getting an additional member that is a modulator that becomes the hands/feet/chest piece for combine mode.
Honorable mention for Kaon from MTMTE. I highly doubt Hasbro would ever wanna do that character unless they DRASTICALLY change his alt mode to something a little more kid-friendly.
So magmatron am I right
SO about that Magmatron toy...
10:57 This did not age well (but in a good way).
I'm sure now that Hasbro is watching TJ's videos.
I feel like RID megatron would be pretty simple actually to make a new toy of; he’d probably just be simplified with the 2 headed dragon mode and maybe jet or bat mode.
I also feel the same about animated shockwave that instead of quad changing they’d release longarm on his own as a remold.
10:57 I'm from the future, and guess what... Magmatron was just been announced as for Legacy United 😁😏
I forgot to mention this on the Titan video, I'm surprised they haven't attempted the Megatron Head/Ship from Beast Machines. I wouldn't be surprised if they repainted the Legacy TMII as a Gen Selects BM Megs when he was out of the harness.
Much like TJ said about his season one body, I assume the low popularity of that Megatron would be why they haven't done it. Which is kind of a shame because I think it could come out pretty cool. Make it a triple changer with the head mode, the ship mode, and a robot mode that works in design elements of the harness.
"Magmatron will never get a new toy."
Hasbro: "Alright, bet."
So when I think about the alternator toys, it reminds me how my local Wal-Mart thought they were model cars and kept them with the model paints/model cars and not with the other Transformers.
My thoughts for RiD Megatron? Either HasLab, or make him a Commander Class with accessories, just so they have maximum engineering budget to work into getting those modes in.
As for Beast Machines Megatron, a really brave Hasbro might do that too. A retool of Legacy Megatron that comes with the harness, sold at a higher price point to cover the cost of the accessory, which honestly just needs to be the armor, helmet, and cap that slip over Megatron with his wings detached.
I think RID Megatron (or Gigatron in this case) could only be released as a Master Piece figure.
As a Commander Class, I'd be all over him. I bet that would be a popular one too if they nailed the look and most of the modes.
@@benjaminwiseman6567 And on the note of these two Megatrons, how about a Grand Mal that's compatible with Titan Fort Max and Scorponok?
@@NotMyRealName6 never heard of him
@@benjaminwiseman6567 The giant head/space ship Megatron has in S2 of Beast Machines.
Also, Bayverse Wheelie. He wouldn't scale with ANYTHING. And even a life-size version would be WAY too expensive.
Nightscream is definitely never getting another release. Not only was his original toy badly made (I've heard that the few toys known to be owned by collectors are falling apart, just because the plastic wasn't great to begin with), but he was universally hated while Beast Machines was airing.
I actually think the alternators Smokescreen might be a copyright thing. Subaru might own that deco
21:18 For the Movieverse twins, the closest you may get would be the Hero-X/Million Publishing reference by recoloring Legacy Skids.
Yeah, we need studio series versions, but I don't have much hope for it
I'd buy those repaints.
The designers of magmatron saw this video as a personal challenge
He sure is backtracking after realizing the Magmatron toy is real😅😂
One thing they could do for the twins is make a battle mask face and label it as a "concept" design just for a excuse to get us to quiet down about the twins. But we know how Hasbro is, they seem to never think about that type of thing
I feel like the Hasbo version of the Team Bullet Train in their original form should have been at the top spot since Hasbro LITERALLY stated they have zero desire to bring back that team in their original form.
At least with RiD Galvatron, there's a chance Haslab could be hired to create a new version. That design looks better in white and purple anyways.
11:44 I can see 1 way they do Magmatron.
Giving his dino parts unique robots, then combining into the big guy when you buy all 3.
Gives you more play value, gives a completion incentive, and makes it able to hold more engineering.
Yeah, I can also see them doing a haslab if they wanted. But I really don't see them just saying no to this guy.
Still, that is really unlikely almost every toy gets one repainted there are very few figures who don’t even combiners will sometimes get re-paints G2 motor master one comes to mine, and we don’t take repaint into account the complexity, the effort that probably only a few people will buy the entire set
I have an idea for how to handle Magmatron.
Make him 3 seperate toys.
2 voyagers (seasaur and landsaur) and a deluxe (skysaur)
Give each one their own robot mode. That conveniently looks like another dinosaur mode transformer. (Like basing skysaur's bot mode on Archadis) to make retools easier to plan.
Then combine the 3 into a roughly commander sized robot.
(And then use that year's commander slot for Big Convoy)
I am so glad I got the RID bullet trains when I did. I was apparently one of the few people who actually bought them on release.
Rapid Run was my favorite toy growing up. I played with it more in train mode than anything. I thought bullet trains were so cool! Now I hear everybody say they failed BECAUSE they were trains. Guess I was weird.
What if Rail Racer returned as a scramble city combiner? (Ignoring the fact that train toys don’t sell good in America)
>I dont think well ever get a new Magmatron
Well this didn’t age well lmao
Core class Bumblebee is just Bumper with a Bumblebee head and name. That’s definitely a Bumper toy but Hasbro was not willing to commit.
An honourable mention would be Combiner Wars Blast Off; even though a jet makes more sense, so many people were "Nut muh GeeWun!" so he will forever be a shuttle. I myself have picked up just him so I can save him from obscurity, although a part of me wishes the head was accurate.
For a second thought this was Transformers who's never had toys that will never get toys and remain in fiction.
I hope they do other combiners like they did SS Devastator. Like if there's an SS86 Devastator, they will sell each member as their own full-featured figure.
I wouldn’t mind a repaint of Crankcase as Offroad. He doesn’t have to be a combiner. Or a repaint of Ruckus if he gets a new toy.
I wonder if the recent Transmetal 2 Megatron might get an RID Megatron repaint
The only way I can ever see a cartoon-accurate Beast Machines Megatron working is if Hasbro brings back the Pretender concept. Have the big red dragon as the interior robot and the blue robot with arms as the pretender shell. IIRC the blue robot mode of BM Megatron was meant to be just a suit of armour that let Megs interface with Cybertron anyway.
Hasbro: "You'll never get new figures of those characters because they didn't sell very well 22 years ago when the Transformers line was pretty much dead."
Also Hasbro: "Our new Marvel and Star Wars lines are something were really proud of. People all over are rushing out for our versions of the top characters in their respective worlds and movies such as Captain Marvel, The Eternals, Wakanda Forever, Shang Chi, The Last Jedi, etc ."
To be fair Disney are breathing down their backs in the latter case.
I could see the Rail Racer trio being done as a Collaborative set with the Disney theme parks, redecoed that gives them the Disney monorail color scheme.
#5 aged badly and that was only a few weeks after this came out..,
It's easier to obtain a gun legally than it is for hasbro to make a toy gun. (Which I need to know why Nerf gets a pass but Megatron as a nerf gun specifically doesn't)
I could see beast machines megatron given that he is just transmetal 2 with a new head wrapped in a cylinder
I think the issue comes with how the wings and head would work in robot mode.
Obviously BM Megatron’s dragon mode is just TM2 Megatron’s dragon mode with a more patch-like color scheme. But for TM2 Megatron’s robot mode, the dragon wings just fold up their wing span and his robot mode head is connected to his beast mode tail.
I’d say that in order for BM Megatron to be made in Legacy, Hasbro would not only have to repaint the Legacy TM2 Megatron, but also retool some of his transformation.
For example, they could try and get the wings to fold in more in order to hide them under the robes for the harness. And for Megatron’s head to properly fit inside the harness’s helmet, Hasbro could take inspiration from the old BM Megatron toy and have his right arm become his tail in dragon mode. I can’t say it’d be the perfect solution, but it would be the groundwork for how to try and get a Legacy BM Megatron made.
I have Rail Racer, so I'm completely okay with them never getting updated. However, if a third party decided to make them, I'd consider purchasing a second set
Also TJ, the amount that Michael Bay said he would give out for finding the twins in DOTM was $25,000, but it's irrelevant because when people reported on forums that they had found the twins, Bay denied it, saying that it didn't count. Theorymus did an interesting video on this recently.
I'm not sure if I agree with the obscurity argument on Magmatron compared to his contemporaries, he did actually come out in the west as one of the exclusive Dinobots during Beast Machines. Might fit into more of the territory they do with a Haslab but I wouldn't write him off entirely. I definitely see where you're coming from with a "proper" Beast Machine's Megatron. Unfortunately even 3rd parties tend to avoid this era like the plague, I would totally be in the market for an upgrade kit for the Transmetal 2 Leader that at least gives the harness for him, even if it wasn't 100% accurate to the show appearance.
10. There is a chance we might see these characters again, though they might be recolours of non-combiner characters.
09. As some have commented below, HasLab is probably the best approach.
08. This one’s pretty much a ‘box checked’, even if some weren’t happy with the execution.
07. If we get a new Prime Smokecreen, a ‘season three’ redeco might be the closest we get to that.
06. Possible HasLab project too.
05. They’d probably have to re-invent the transformation and deco for this one.
04. Yeah, I don’t know how this would work.
03. Hasbro could always go back on their word on this one.
02. At best, I see these two being done at core class.
01. Kind of cheat, since, like you said, it’s just the alt mode that can’t be redone.
Well that comment on Skids & Mudflap didn't age well because Core Class is DEAD!
@@Rabbitlord108 As a stand-alone size class, yes it appears to be gone. However, smaller-sized figures will still be packed with some of the larger toys, when they feel the need for it.
@@runescape228 Yeah. But what larger character would it make sense to package Core class toys for Skids and Mudflap with?
So this may be a weird question. I know toy laws don’t allow for toys that look like real guns, but I’ve seen a few ads where real guns are starting to look like toys. Like bright pink or even hello kitty. I think I saw one made in the theme of Sally from nightmare before Christmas. How is that not also a problem?
Rail racer would be a great Asia and Europe exclusive considering how prevalent the high speed rails are in those areas that can trickle to US for The collectors that want them.
Why can’t they just give G1 Megatrons gun mode an orange tip like an airsoft gun?
They could but much of the issue is the public reception of a toy gun in today's society. I'm surprised nerf stuck around honestly
He just laid out why. The laws are even stricter than ever before. And anyone with a functioning set of eyes, ears, and ability to check the news around them can easily figure out why.
And with the apparent increased focus in accuracy or homaging, any gun Megatron that's not metallic greyish is going to be met with whining of inaccuracy.
It's a losing endeavor no matter the direction, and not worth all of the potential trouble they can get into just to sate the minority of adults whose nostalgia blinds them from what's going on in the world around them.
The legal situation around G1 Megatron is a bit more complicated than "not allowed in the US", but the effect is the same. Realistic toy guns are 100% legal on the federal level, provided they meet certain coloring standards (orange tip, transparent body, the like). The problem is that state laws are far more stringent, with some states having more extensive coloring standards, and some states outright banning them. So yeah, any gun Megatron would be unviable, and a screen-accurate gun Megatron would be nearly impossible.
What they could do with Beast Machines Megs would be to make another mold of the dragon megs from Legacy, but with a battle suit cape and attachments to make him powered up into BW Megs.
They could do RID Megs, but it would likely only have three modes. They won't. Don't think they will. But they did make the versions of Scourge, so maybe, and a redo of the Fire Convoy isn't gonna be because that thing was a mess to transform.
Hasbro also said we would *never* get a Devcon. i agree with some of these. but others i feel are just a matter of the right designer pitching the right thing at the right time.
They made magmatron my god
Don't tease me about a Botanica toy TJ. She is one of the only characters to appear on screen that hasn't had a toy. We got an honest to goodness Transmutate as a build a figure for crying out loud.
Honestly I think with rid Optimus and Magnus getting a haslab release rid Megatron could be next
i feel like a g2 gun megatron could work due to his bright colors
Not with the modern laws
As another commenter said, it's not just his colors or an orange tip that keep us from getting a G1-accurate Megatron outside of Masterpiece, it's that different states have vary levels of strictness with their toy gun laws.
It'd be too much of a logistical nightmare to get a G1 Megs made that turns into a gun and obeys both federal and state laws out to market, which is why Megatron is typically either a tank or some sort of alien vehicle these days, especially since unlike Masterpiece, mainline Transformers is ostensibly targeted at kids.
Probably the main reason why they don't use the Alternators Smokescreen color scheme is because it is from an actual car, so they would need to pay licensing fees in order to use it.
Also the Japanese-only Beast Wars sequels were also made to basically be filler until the later seasons of Beast Wars were localized.
ill show you a loose floppy mess.....
Can I make a couple of suggestions?
I'd really like to see a Here's 10 list of fiction only characters that deserve toys. Some of them would be easy, because they are virtual redecos, but some would be kind of hard.
Another Here's 10 I would really like to see is a list of non-G1, non-Beast Wars reissues that we need. I'd love to see some RID stuff reissued.
As for this list, I could see some of these characters getting new toys, but only in Japan. Like, Team Bullet Train. I can see Takara doing something with those. Although, them doing stuff independently is not as frequent as it used to be.
Honestly, if I worked at Hasbro, I would've made sure Skids and Mudflap would make it in Studio Series. The way I look at it: Studio Series should always be live action movie designs only. They're the lawful good of the line.
Even if the Gamer edition figures based on the WFC game generally look good, those are more like neutral. They look good, but they needed their own toyline, separated from the Studio Series name.
And all the SS86 figures fall into Chaotic Evil, because prior to the first of those figures, Studio Series seemed to be the final bastion of the Transformers franchise that hadn't been contaminated by G1 nostalgia, providing some escapism from all the G1 stuff at the time, and as soon as they announced they wanted to branch off to G1 to celebrate the 35th anniversary of the 1986 movie, that bit of escapism was taken away from us. Hell, I'd even argue that some of the characters we got in SS86 had better figures in previous toy lines because slavish G1 cartoon accuracy is not always a good thing.
I could see them doing another Devastator where the individual vehicles don't have robot modes since they didn't in the movie anyway. That would make for a better combined mode overall.
Didnt Cindersaur get a new figure in power of the primes?
Core class in potp and a recolored bw cyber key gimmick Megatron only 2 that come to mind
I think railracer could easily be a haslab
I do think Bumper can come back. He just needs a new color to be his own like Bugbite has white for his for them to use with the Bumblebee molds. Maybe blue for Bumper.
I'd argue we'll get a reduced RID Megatron. Triple changer at most. Like how we got Armada Megs without all the gimmicks.
I will wait as long as it takes for skids and mudflap to get studio series figures, so that way I can have them get what they should’ve deserved in the movie, a good old split in half from Megatron.
I vaugley remember during DotM filming, some on-set footage leaked of the Twins crashing and their cars being totaled. Still kinda disappointed we didn't see them scrapped on screen.
That's exactly what happened to my original Skids toy as a kid. I was crushed because I loved them, but looking back I'm definitely over it lol
It's a bit sad they won't do anything with team bullet train
It might be the end of the road for the CW extras... But not the end of the offroad.
I have to say that people are being babies. I loved that G1 Megatron I've always wanted one for myself. I'm 46 I will never treat it like a gun. Meaning I won't go into the streets and shoot people. I might use it as a prop in a play but that's it. I know that will never do something stupid
I want a new Bumper so damn bad!!
They need to make it happen at least as a Generation Selects or a Target exclusive.
I honestly think he is the most likely figure, because he'd be an easy reuse of Bumblebee and Cliffjumper molds. And he'd get enough completionist fans wanting him a selects would work. If we got Hubcap, I don't think Bumper is out of the running.
I kinda like Megatron getting new altmodes, tanks really seem to suit him, then there's his two different attack helicopter depictions in Animated and Earthspark that were pretty cool.
I saw a fanimation here on UA-cam where he turned into a stealth bomber, it was a pretty cool design.
@@nicholasfarrell5981 I know exactly what cartoon you're talking about and yes it was pretty awesome.
I know you're just gonna jinx it, watch next wave
perhaps for #10-8. 2 and 1, however, Hasbro has already put their foot down, and doing them just to sate the nostalgia of a minority of manchildren will not be worth ALL the trouble they'd be putting themselves in.
TJ is just doing reverse psychology on Hasbro with this video.
Mentioning RID Megatron/Gigatron and Magmatron, one of the things I think Takara did smarter than Hasbro was not constantly relying on Megatron to be the threat in every new iteration of their franchise.Magmatron and Gigatron were not only awesome designs but awesome names for new leaders/threats. TF in the west needs new variety. The endless cycle of Optimus and Megatron has become bland. I mean thats why they tried a mid franchise refresh in G1 with Rodimus and Galvatron. If they had gone about it in a better way, it may have worked.
I believe the Combiner Wars replacement characters have a chance to come back mainly because groups like the Protectibots benefit for having more unique aspects rather than jus be another Scramble Combiner. All that remains is Hasbro thinking a new Defensor is needed or not lol.
Regarding RID01 Megs, I think there’s a chance of him being a Haslab mainly because he’s such a unique design that I can see Hasbro going “we really want to try this” and campaign it.
If hasbro were to do a G1 gun megatron he's has to be made in the modern day core class (price) size or as a target master.
Like for example a SS86 core class "gun" megatron or SS86 target master megatron.
The best shot at a Gun Megatron we have is one that turns into something else but some sneaky designer sneaks in gun mode through fanmoding or something.
I can add 4 more to the list, namely the Beast Wars Mutants - Icebird, Poison Bite, Razor Claw and Soundwave.
was considering the Studio Series Devastator but then i found the original movie Titan version for $75 and it’s super solid. no individual robot modes but the combined mode looks great and is mad fun
By extension, G1 Shockwave will also never get a gun mode toy either. The Siege version had to fake a submarine mode like TR Sixshot in order to be released.
Alternators Smokescreen is unlikely to get an homage simply because his livery was a direct homage to Colin McCrea, an INFAMOUS Rallycross driver who died not long after the original toy released. He drove a Subaru with that deco, and that's why Alternators Smokescreen hits like it does for motorheads like me. I don't see Subaru licensing the McCrea livery again out of respect to Colin and his family, but stranger things have happened.
Magmatron is actually the most well known in the U.S. because he's the only one of the Japanese leaders that actually had an American release in the Dinobots subline. It might be confusing if they suddenly marketed him as a Predacon because in the U.S. he was actually sold as a Maximal. I'm not sure if there's any in universe explanation given as to why he's a Predacon leader in Japan and a Maximal in the U.S. I do think they could redo him though and actually make the design MORE complex cause the original design didn't have individual robot modes for the Airsaur, Seasaur, and Landsaur. The way he combines is pretty simple actually and they have done something similar and at a smaller scale with Armada and Energon Perceptor and also more recently with Centuritron. Granted it likely wouldn't be as solid as the original one was but I don't see why they wouldn't make a modern version when Lio Convoy is honestly way more complex with the way he transforms.
Also... the only possible way I could MAYBE and this is a HUGE MAYBE, see Megatron as a gun ever again is if he's not marketed to be a gun. Like if they designed and sold the toy as something else and made the gun a hidden mode that isn't advertised anywhere it's not in the instructions anywhere, but the parts exist to make his gun mode, then MAYBE they could get away with it. They'd have to try a lot harder than they did with Shockwave and Sixshot where the gun mode is marketed as a submarine and it's clearly just the gun mode upside down cause that's not going to work for a realistic gun. It would actually have to have some transformation to it and probably some dedicated parts. I mean we've also KIND of seen this happen with Soundwave where they've given him a vehicle mode and it's not officially a tape deck but you can still fan mode him into one. That's the only way I could ever see gun Megatron happening at this point is if they sneak it in as an "unofficial" 3rd mode.
Magmatron got a bit of notice stateside with his appearance in IDW's first two BEAST WARS minis, The Gathering and Ascension. It's where I fell in love with the Predacon. I'd snatch him up if he was offered up again.
Did you already do a list of ten bots you never thought we’d get?
The Alternators Smokescreen is a shame, especially since a two pack with him and a repainted Sunstreaker as Dead End would be beautiful
I’ve got an idea for this. Do a working Nerf gun crossover with G1 Megatron. I just want the experience of owning a Nerf version of his original mode. And I’m not talking about the classics version. G1 Megatron as a Nerf gun. The Nerf toy line already has a blaster that looks like Megatron‘s original mode. Just give it the ability to transform, and there you go.
That's never worked out. The mechanisms of a Nerf gun taking up SO much of the internals would compromise the transformation engineering, never mind the action figure functionality. At that point, it might as well JUST be that ROTB Optimus gimmick blaster.
He'll certainly be a nice transforming gun Megatron, sure but he won't be fitting the whole collector's action figure angle that is their main bread and butter. And Collaborative hasn't exactly been doing well either anyway.
Some of these I can see happening. Just not through conventional means. Magmatron would be perfect for Haslab. Bumper would a gen selects.
How r the twins racist
But Jazz gets a pass?
All the Bots are cultural appropriationists!
You think Optimus is white?
What if Magmatron remake as a toy figure. We'll should ask TakaraTomy and Hasbro ask for a request to make it one more time. Even I had toy of Magnaboss 3 in 1 combine warrior as toy. Unless G1 Quintessons to make a toy that would bizzaire.
Magmatron is being made
I'll be back here in five years to see if this holds up! Lol!
23:00 I'm surprised they didn't think to make Megatron a gun emplacement to have a parallel to Prime's Trailer
I feel like maybe in about a decade we could maybe end up getting a MPM Rotf Devastator but probably not anytime soon.
6:00 cmon TJ you knew what you were doing writing that in the script 😂😂😂
I feel like bumper could get a bigger in the buzz were the bumblebee set it feels like something they could do since they did beast wars, toy color repairs feels like something they would do redo the cliff jumper mold, which would be cool
The Core Class Bumblebee he mentioned in the video, the one that's basically just Bumper with Bumblebee's head, was a Buzzworthy release, though.
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