The True Origins of Yoga
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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it's been 5 years, this series needs to be on UA-cam I think
YOG is a gift to humanity from INDIA 🇮🇳 and it's SADHUS.
HARI OM 🙏
Its Lord Shiva(Adiyogi)’s gift to mankind :)
Dhanyovad!! 🙏
He's literally talking about you guys at 33:38 😄
@@somethingnew7078 :-) You're wasting your breath, I'm afraid ! I don't believe they are able to hear what Christopher is explaining. Their projections on reality are too powerful.
Its YOGA
I'm 83 years old and have been doing yoga for many years and if there is one thing I've learned about myself is that I'm never too old to learn new things. So, thank you for this presentation.
It was so intriguing..But the roots of yoga have been dated in the vedic period(maybe not so much in vedas but in later vedic period)..Epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata do describe multiple rishis meditating in yogic postures..And in today's India there is no distinction between buddhists ,hindus and jains...They are considered to be sects of a 5000 years old cultural civilization..Religion is a very foreign term to the Indians..We see ourselves as cultural entity and not a religious one..
I totally agree that the roots of yoga have been dated to the (later) Vedic period.
there is difference in buddist hindu and jains
@@NishantSingh-qe7vv The mother is same but the children are different!
You can see statues of yogic postures in the Indus Valley, so it has older origins.
@@saratsaratchandran3085 vedic culture nd sraman culture are 2 diffrnt things...
This was a beautiful teaching - I will be sharing. And I love how you end it. I agree about the 'stunningness' of the breath. It is where I go when I feel lost, overwhelmed, alone, etc. and again and again, it acts as a tender hand holding me up. How miraculous we have this power within us.
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Origin of yoga and meditation in India
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freedom from suffering is freedom from death. once you achieve enlightenment or moksha, pain is one thing you leave behind. You become immortal and in complete competent control and awareness of the effects to your causes.
You explain thing so well!! I studied at the University of Rome Sanskrit and Hindi as well as Hindu philosophy and literature. Even some of my teachers couldn't put together the info so well! I wish you were a professor at The University of Rome La Sapienza :-)
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What's wrong with nationalism exactly? I understand it's an artificial cognitive barrier, however in the practical realm if there was more "Hindu" nationalism then perhaps the Kashmir valley, Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan would continue to be Hindu instead of falling to Islam. I'm sure you're far more aware than I am of the countless, priceless texts lost, such as when the university of Nalanda was destroyed.
I don't think nationalism could have stopped Muslim invaders. And there was no concept of Hinduism back then.
Yoga is first mentioned in the Rigveda and also referenced in many Upanishads.The first known formal appearance of the word "yoga", with the same meaning as the modern term, is in the Katha Upanishad,probably composed between the fifth and third century BCE.Yoga continued to develop as a systematic study and practice during the 5th and 6th centuries BCE, in ancient India's ascetic, Śramaṇa movements (Buddhists, Jainas and Ajivikas) and during the Mahabharata period.The most comprehensive text on Yoga, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali date to the early centuries CE,while Yoga philosophy came to be marked as one of the six orthodox philosophical schools of Hinduism in the second half of the first millennium.Hatha yoga texts began to emerge between the 9th and 11th century with origins in tantra.
Correct except that the Yoga Sutra is *not* the most comprehensive text on yoga. it is surpassed by Tantrik sources that are much more detailed.
@@christopherwallis751 HYP and GHS, for example, as tantra texts, often _lose_ themselves in detais. Patanjali on the other hand is able to keep yoga true (satyam), in its essence (sattvam). To my practice, tantric texts without strong roots on upanishadic thinking seems to me easily distorted.
@@dimasgomez those are not tantra texts, actually.
Amazing to see Westeners like you taking so much interest in my culture as to actually make a living out of it while most Indians follow the Pet Shop Boys "go west life is peaceful there....". Great to see you spread the true yoga message. Just one note: "Hinduisum" was a word coined in 1830s by the Indian freedom fighters. We always called it the "Sanatana Dharma". Probably the idea/name came because we lived on the banks of the Indus river (therefore Indus Valley civilisation) which was actually the river "Sindhu".
Thank you. when you say "We always called it Sanātana Dharma", who's the 'we'? and what's the 'it'?
@@christopherwallis751 "We" is the collective pronoun I am using for Indians as I am one of them so "we". "It" is the pronoun for "Hinduism". So basically that we, Indians called, the it = Hinduism the Santana Dharma. Hope this little grammar exercise helps you to understand what I mean! ;)
@@yes-yogaearthstories1404 not exactly. There was no indigenous concept of a Hinduism prior to the early modern period, so it doesn't really make sense to say "we always called it Sanātana Dharma." Since no Indian person referred to themselves as 'Hindu' prior to the 15th century, what would be the 'Hinduism' here? The concept of Hinduism, uniting Vaidika-dharma, Shaivism, Vaishnavism, etc., slowly evolved throughout the period of Muslim rule in India. (This is well documented by scholars.) So it cannot be relevant to any examination of the strands of the Indian tradition prior to the 14th century of the common era. Just saying.
@@christopherwallis751 - I´m an amateur in this area... but it sounds to me, as I understood from my humble amateur liking on the subject, that Sanathana Dharma is well as old as any one of us couldn't have imagined.....
@@Cobresdebogota depends what you mean by Sanātana Dharma. if you mean "the Indian religious tradition", then we can confidently say it's at least 3500 years old. not that it really matters.
i would say yoga is a religion as its goal is the same as all major religions. eternal life, immortality. Moksha, what jesus demonstrated. The rainbow body of tibet etc etc.
those are different goals, actually.
@@christopherwallis751 they are the same, just as it says in the Upanishads when you achieve nirvana you are in your final body and will not reincarnate again. Same with samsara, you can only escape the cycle of life and death by living. Die and you reincarnate. Angels are those who lived not those who died.
really yoga is about proper development and use of thought forces. Then we won't die and all limitations and boundaries fall away. as the mind is the only thing and thought force the only force, mastery of this means mastery of all.@@christopherwallis751
Excellent and illuminating lecture, concise, elegant and eloquent as always. Understanding the origins of yoga is key to enrich one's practice by going beyond asanas and adding regular meditation and breathing exercices, not just on the mat but throughout the day. The focus on breathing and a meditative state is what makes yoga quite unique in its spiritual dimension (leaving religion aside for now).
I am making this remark in particular for non-practitioners who may think yoga is mostly about flexibility.
Thank you Hareesh for making this available to all.
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Consciousness is all the same in any living. Thank you Sir
Fantastic. The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra led me here to seek a better way of approaching the books information. Well I led myself here for that understanding… anywho, Very over my head for now. Headed to your commentary on that next. 🎉🙌
Throughout the explanation for “how long has yoga existed”, no mention of whether you’re using the word “yoga” to mean yogasana, as is so common. I kept listening for some mention of what you mean when you say “yoga”!
Indologists never use the word yoga to mean yogāsana.
This may be the best talk on yoga and “mindfulness” I’ve heard
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Mindfulness is a practice to attain the state of yoga
yoga was something done by seekers "by themselves" to find answers, so naturally it wasnt a "movement" before, no purpose for it to be
Seem like such a kind soul !!
i feel like yoga as a term is 5,000 years old but practices of human development to mankind's highest potential have been around for much longer than 5,000 years. And thats all this is, all can be lost and humans will still discover their potential again and do the great work all must do to end suffering and death.
It's actually older than 5000 years old since it was mentioned in oldest text in the world, Rig Veda.
from christopher's own words, "even today in india some things havent changed in thousands of years", referring to the passing on of family traditions. why then couldnt the long-haired "wind riders", a clear reference to yogic breathing methods, be a reference to a shamanic yogic practice that was already thousands of years old at 1k bc, especially given that oral traditions were also preserved for similarly long periods? sure, that's no proof, but neither can it be so easily dismissed.
Even In vedic astrology word "Yoga" appears and they are No way meaning of Asana of Yoga that we know of. Word Yoga predates Patanjali Yoga. He just collected scattered knowledge and made into 4 parts.
Yoga is a sanskrit meaning that is used in many usages.
Eh: My yoga, is used as synonymous as My fate as in reference to ones own fate.
Another example is Yoga found in vedic astrology. Certain placements, conjunction etc creates certain Yoga to the native of the horoscope. There are Hundfeds of Yoga. It explains the results of having that particular yoga. For ex: kaala sarpa yoga means you need to revere God naga more and, otherwise it might create obstacles in marriage. Raja yoga(many type of raja yoga is there) the one has is said to have a easy moving life. Budhaditya yoga gives immense intelligence to the native especially during the mercury period in his chart.
So many think Yoga means Yoga and meditation where you just do Aasanas and medicate. It's a sanskrit word having many different meaning in different context😅😂
Just like Match, mean, march, etc 😂
Binge watching all your videos.
To access the state of being in awareness or to move from beta to medium alpha as you say.... is easy with a little practice. Our culture is unfortunately designed to keep us in beta. To much beta or these days "normal" State seems also to be the place of dis ease and until there is a collective acceptance of this and we move to change there will always be a fight to be at peace. 🕉 I love your work, thank you 🙏 There is a difficult thing between evidence and belief or interpretation of evidence based off beliefs just look at the Sphynix for example.
Agree with the way he explained yoga but historical roots are questionable. All those practices he mentioned are already in yogsutra. He missed mahabharat and bhagabat gita where yoga are many times explained, each chapter topic is linked with yoga, moreover bhagabat gita is a gist of upanishad. He was wrong where he said yoga nowhere mentioned in spiritual hindu texts.
Khem, you are completely mischaracterizing my argument. I never said anything remotely like "yoga [is] nowhere mentioned in spiritual hindu texts". Please try to listen more closely and refrain from making assumptions. Yoga is central to the B.Gītā, of course; I was merely saying it's not found in the Vedic Samhitās.
@@christopherwallis751 It IS found in the Vedic Samhitas. Just to quote from some scholars (I am not a scholar still long journey with my personal study but grew up with yoga and as a hindu Saraswat Brahmin in Mumbai): The practice of yoga was originated in India. The elements of yoga are mentioned in one of the four sacred canonical texts (śruti) of Hinduism known as the Vedas, Rigveda. Yoga's reference is also found in the Upanishads, an ancient Sanskrit text of spiritual teaching and ideas of Hinduism. The Indian Vedas are recognised as the most sacred and treasured texts of India. They are a collection of hymns that were received by the ancient rishis (sages) as shruti, divine revelation. There are four texts that compose the Vedas: Rig-Veda, Sama-Veda, Yajur-Veda and Atharva-Veda. The reference to yoga has been mentioned in Rigveda.
all siddhis are born of one single ability. Manifestation.
this is great, honestly could listen to Chris' expertise for hours
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The breath has always been important, much before the sramana movement. The rishis of antiquity dwelt on the breath. Dronacharya had already left his body by manipulating his breath just before he was kílled on the battlefield. Just one example.
Dates and facts are NOT dry and boring. They’re fun.
Yog is ETERNAL. It pervades all the FOUR YUGAS. In Kalyug, Mantra meditation is the form of yog.
All my life, I would always say I hate history. It's dull, there's not much practical utility for me today, etc. The way you explained the origins of yoga was exciting, interesting, and I definitely thought it's valuable information. I am very grateful that you shared such valuable information that took you much effort and time to gather.
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"yoga is freedom from clinging and grasping *and* freedom from pushing away" 19:58 so good
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Very informative, great to hear an evidenced based overview and analysis of Yoga. Busted a number of myths I had. Many Thanks🙏
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Mindblowing talk! So articulately delivered.
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Relax, let go and focus on your breath. Its so easy its hard at first, but with time it becomes more natural I suppose. We are so neurotic in the industrial/technological age.
"Before you know anything, you know this. Before I AM anything, there is simple I AMness, in and of itself, just so-and you are aware of that I AMness right now, yes? Before you are aware of anything, you are aware of this. Before you feel anything, you feel this. it is constantly unknowable, this knowledge of All. It is forever undoable, this already accomplished isness of All. It is too complex to he known; too simple to believe; too present to be grasped; too here to be felt." - Ken Wilber, The Religion of Tomorrow
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people making bs assumptions about people is the reason why this video is not seen as much. and the people harmed by it are the foreigners themselves
is there really any such thing as a 'foreigner'?
@@christopherwallis751 we can say that in a country if we dont already identify classes, race, cultures, religions. but do we tho?
@@christopherwallis751 well if you dont believe it then not but it doesnt change its meaning being people from different land having different upbringing or notions. i just meant to describe group trying to learn something of a different group but the group discarding their own people's opinion on the matter
@@christopherwallis751 i argue that own group's analysis is understood easier than the explanation of differently processing people.
Indians never created a religion named Hinduism.
It's the westerns who made distinctions and named them so.
All were dharmic practices in different paths to achieve enlightenment and moksha...
It's the dharmic cultural identity.
Change the western lens.
I never said otherwise.
This is one of the most well explained yoga origins talk, I've ever heard.Thank you for sharing.
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This presentation has simplified and connected the many dots of knowledge I have learned, heard and understood, in a fragmented manner. This was incredibly useful - thank you.
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I am a little confused! Okay, vedas have nothing to do with Yoga. So, how do you describe vedanta? I understand vedanta and yoga are different however the entire thing of the goal, moksha is the the same. Vedanta is the gyan part of the vedas. So, considering Vedanta existed before yoga, don't you think the goal was already clear before yoga was discovered ?
The Upanishads (some of them, anyway) existed before yoga, but that doesn't mean the philosophy of Vedānta existed before yoga. Yoga begins circa 500 BCE and the beginning of Vedānta as a *philosophy* (based on the Upanishads) is many centuries later, emerging around the fourth century CE. If I said "Vedas have nothing to do with yoga" I was referring only to the Vedic hymns and the ritual brāhmanas, not the Upanishads.
Thank you for making it clear! I am still confused about some more things like for example, there is Astabakra Gita, the dialect between Sage Astabakra and King Janak! So, from your video should we conclude that Sage Astabakra and king Janak are just stories and they did not really live on this planet? Since, King Janak is from the time of Ramayana and there is no proof of it? Also, Mahavarata and the Knowledge given my Sri Krishna to Arjun? From a scholar view point it should just be a story written by Vyasa and not real happenings isn't it? Since, Bhagwat Geeta talks about all kinds of Yoga, Karma, Bhakti, Gyana, Raja! Can you please clear my confusion !
Whether Janaka and Astāvakra were historical figures or not is entirely irrelevant. The teachings in the Astāvakra Gītā are legitimate and very powerful, regardless of whose mouth the author of that text places them in. Spiritual truth is not predicated on historical truth in any way. Read that last sentence again. Spiritual truth is timeless and ahistorical. Please do not imagine that debates about historicity impact spiritual truth in the slightest. That would be a grave error indeed.
@bv tv it's really not about separating anything from anything. It's just about correctly locating the origins of yoga in the Shramana movement, which was not specifically a Vedic phenomenon.
@@pratikshabaral1199yoga was an ancient practice at the time of the Buddha.
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the baldness or overgrowth had meaning to it, not because of sheepishness of a movement. on the other hand, clothing was because of it and yellow orange color was to promote sun and chant(om) but mostly a bandwagon effect.
Hi ! I bumped into a few videos about the so called 'western' origins of the asanas/poses of Yoga. So many people are spreading this narrative that many of the poses like the downward dog and the cat and many more are actually Scandinavian. This doesnt seem to prove that the poses are not Indian, becoz the Haṭhābhyāsapaddhati from the 18th century, written way before the british raj and the advent of modern day yoga, have the Adho Mukha Svanasana and the Mārjārottānāsana. The dog and cat poses are very similar to these. Haṭhābhyāsapaddhati is a pre-modern yoga text known today to provide a sequenced practice as well as āsanas that involve repetitive movement rather than just the static seated postures described in earlier Haṭhayoga texts. Nobody is talking about this, it seems, coz it clearly demonstrates the existence of asanas/poses very similar to modern day poses practiced in the western world. So it seems like another attempt at digesting something Indian and calling it western. Kindly address it.
hi Dipayan, it seems you have studied Jim mallinson's work? and/or you were at Oxford? anyway, what you say is perfectly correct, and the information you provide here was not yet revealed by scholarly research when I shot the video upon which you are commenting.
I think the cat / cow movement could very well be Scandinavian in origin, but that's not the main point here. The main point is that MPY has a primarily Indian origin, not a primarily European origin.
Oh well, I have hardly practiced Yoga, unfortunately. I hope to start some day. I was actually watching a video somewhere recently and in its comment section, I found people talking about something I had never heard before. They were implying that the modern day exercies/poses are not Indian at all, which seemed very suspicious. So I started doing some research on it, as I always knew from school that asanas were covered in the yoga sutras. Thats when I found out about the Hathabhyasapaddhati being much older than the scandinavian gymnastics inspired asanas that gained popularity in the early 20th century. I found very few sources that talk about the Hathabhyasapaddhati and the current narrative seems to be that asanas as a form of exercise are not Indian at all. I do get your point about it having an Indian origin though. I will have to do more research on this, and so should many other Indians, else it seems like Europeans will start taking credit for all kinds of things (not mocking, just expressing genuine concern). Anyway. Thanks for ur reply ! Also, thanks for a great lecture ! Really appreciate it !
By the way, forgive me for giving the impression that I am well educated on this subject. I am just a newcomer who had a question. So thats why I have another question. U mentioned MPY in one of ur replies. Did u mean MHY ? If not, what did u mean ?
@@DipayanPyne , MPY = modern postural yoga. for a bunch of good information on this topic, including information on the text you cite (HAP), please see Mallinson's "history and practices of Hathayoga" lectures on Audible.
This is so underrated! The time and effort put into this... I've learnt so much-thank you!
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Wonderful lecture! Thanks for providing such insights!
Though I agree with you it's not wrong to say yoga is hindu as Samkhya Philosophy is base of Yoga Philosophy which of course is one of 6 orthodox schools of Hinduism anyways yoga is pre vedic too we can find various statues depicting asana yoga meditation etc from Indus valley civilisation along with mudras like anjali mudra.
Back than every Philosophy inspired debated growed together like samkhya also inspired Buddhism so it's wrong to paint ancient history through narrow lens. And Samkhya is pre Buddhist too
Alexis Sanderson rejects Marshall’s claim the figure with a horned head-dress seated in a ‘yogic’ posture and allegedly three-faced and ithyphallic depicted on a steatite seal unearthed at Mohenjo-daro from the Indus Valley Civilization is recognizable as the prototype of the historic Śiva’.
A sober analysis of this figure in the light of two other seals has shown the supposed erect penis is in fact the end of the waistband, and the supposed two lateral faces are rather the ears of a bull-headed figure.
The affinities of this and other bull-man, horn-crowned Indus valley icons are to be found not in post-Vedic India but in the trans-Elamite culture of southeast Iran and western Balochistan that developed from the Mesopotamian Early Dynastic period to Ur-III times.
@@collyernicholasjohn scholars do suggest that Dravidian languages of India are linked to elamite language and DNA wise majority component of all Indian is Neolithic Iranian note it's different from modern Iranian, and coming to ancient civilisations they're just like now influenced and grown in each other influences whether it's dress, food or culture. But thing is not pashupati shiva there are literally hundreds of toys and statues depicting yoga posture and also namaste so it's obvious yoga is actually pretty vedic culture
@@Infiniteemptiness Yet the earliest literary evidence of Śiva worship is in the work of the grammarian Patañjali, probably around the middle of the 2nd century BCE, commenting in his Vyākaranamahābhāsya. That’s at least 1700 years of silence after the steatite seals.
@@collyernicholasjohn Nonsense, shiva is pre vedic deity most probably tribal in origin worshipped to this day with same iconography as in pashupati seal. Shiva was incorporated into vedic stream that's why you see mentions of him. But his stories, attire everything is tribal and indus valley like because Shiva is one of those supreme deities who's famous among masses despite civilisations changing
@@Infiniteemptiness The yoga most commonly practiced world-wide is Haṯha - i.e. hard or forceful - yoga. The first text to teach it was composed by Vajrayāna tantric Buddhists in 11th century CE.
The Indus tablets have yoga depicted in them.... Indus civ is 7000bce atleast as per latest osl dating.....
no, I'm afraid they really don't.
@@christopherwallis751 Ofcourse it does.... I know there are misconceptions.... Let me clear it.... The figure depicted is that of Mahishashura, a buffalo demon who was finally killed by Mother Goddess Durga... We celebrated Durga Puja recently and for us Bengalis it is a huge festival... Indus culture worshipped the Mother Goddess like we do... Hence such figures are common there.... As per legend, the demon did years of meditation to get a boon from Bhrahma.... The pose is a meditation pose pretty common in Indian culture.... It is as clear as day....
In India,
We believe Yoga process was invented by Lord Shiva. He was the first Yogi and he taught it to 7 sages and they spread it to people.
why do you say "we believe" as if this is general currency? this is something Jaggi Vasudev aka 'Sadhguru' teaches (and appears to have fabricated). his disciples are numerous, but their beliefs do not constitute Hinduism.
@@christopherwallis751 Well, it's not only said by Sadhguru, many other yogic traditions( nath sampradaya) also claims adi guru or shiva as the first yogi.
@@thetransporter1810 yes indeed, but not in the sense that he was merely a human being who lived a long time ago!
@@christopherwallis751 Sadhguru ji is just a good orator and a doorman to Indian philosophy.... The true enlightened masters never really advertise themselves.... You need to seek them....
@@christopherwallis751No it's not fabricated. Read Shiva Rahasya text. It's the first ithihaas therefore its credibility is unmatched. It clearly mentions that lord Shiva taught yoga to sages and they inturn moved to different parts of the world to teach it. This version of Shiva is known as Yoga Dakshinamurthy also known as "Adi Guru" (Some people also call him as Adinath and Adiyogi).
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Christopher thank you for giving such an amazing, concise interpretation. You’re obviously a practitioner. Gratitude
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Historical explanation of yoga I like it. In fact, I was searching for a scholastic explanation historical facts not fictions or religious believes about yoga
Thank u !
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You are Incorrect Sir. The Yoga Kundalini Upanishad is indeed an Upanishad that explicitly deals with the concept of Kundalini. This Upanishad is part of the larger body of Upanishadic literature and specifically focuses on Kundalini Yoga, detailing practices and techniques for awakening the Kundalini energy and guiding it through the chakras to achieve spiritual enlightenment.
That Upanishad is extremely late in date, not at all part of the classical Upanishads.
@@christopherwallis751 Understood, you are correct
Sir, I saw a review and I will be purchasing your book. I look very forward to reading it.
@@vijairahaman100 it also exists as audiobook!
@@christopherwallis751 Thanks, I believe, I will do Audio.
Thank you, Sri Swami Christopher Wallis.
aka Hareesh Saurabh, FWIW ;)
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The supreme Lord is peace.
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Love it ❤️. Thank you sir
Ultimately to realise the Self,
The title of this talk should be, "Dr Wallis' Version of Yoga". Not "True Origins". This presentation is way too vague to do justice to what yoga is, if you go beyond physical exercise. Everything presented here still remains connected to mind, senses and body, even "awareness". Please talk about the SOUL, without which there is no yoga. Thank you
How do you define 'soul'?
I agree! With his extensive academic background, this was a very, very poor lecture. No references, no scriptural references. It almost sounds as if he's addressing an 8th grade classroom somewhere. Completely offended Indian scholarship over and over. Very disappointing.
@@saraswati1386 yes, perhaps he probably could have but then he would have had to have in his hands several sheets of paper or a prompt to read out his bibliography to satisfy the scholarly, but then it would have extended the lecture to several times the unscripted lecture, perhaps five hours, I would think. And nobody would have listened to it. Already 1 hour is too much for 90% of those who even bother to consider the topic. People want it fast, want summaries, bullet points, outlines, and flashy, snappy animations and images of Indian art and old writings, and yogis and switching between experts, like a minute infomercial. Anyway, I hope you learned something from him or thought to fact check him.
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What do you think of giving american names to yoga asanas origin names ... And some people claming that yoga is not indian not hindu, it's American soft power
well, the sanskrit names given to yogāsanas are mostly twentieth-century fabrications anyway...
Wow great work -and thank you Hareesh!
Is there Part 2?
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Thanks for sharing this great piece! It's so different approach when I watch a Western scholar and an Indian scholar talking about (the) history of yoga. In the last years, I've been wondering about a sort of neo-orientalism performed by researchers on yoga studies. 'The True Origins of Yoga' implies a narrative (based on deep research, of course) of who is the authority able to tell the history of yoga, and later, maybe, this same narrative could turn the hegemonic one over the local historians/scholars once it circulates globally trhough seminars, workshops, lectures in academia or not.
I would offer you another perspective: that Indian scholars, in the 21st century, have become seriously compromised by a kind of fundamentalism that goes by the name of "Hindu nationalism" and which compels adherence to an approved narrative in which everything comes from the Vedas, India is the oldest civilisation, Yoga is 5000+ old, Yoga is thoroughly Hindu, etc. etc. And it is a thoroughly hegemonic narrative that does not tolerate other voices, whether coming from Indian or Western mouths. By contrast, Western Indology has no specific agenda to advance, since it is not part of any nationalist ideology or religious dogma and it does not receive funding from sources that are. So Western scholars, apart from those who are part of the Hindu nationalist world, are just interested in the study of premodern India for its own sake and need have no adherence other than to the truth, as far as it can be uncovered.
I love this talk. So much. I first listened to it when it came out. And now again, today. Im specifically interested in your discussion about non attachment, but also about aversion. Can you point to some literature that explores that delicate relationship between non attachment and aversion? In primary sources, like the Gita? In the Sutras? Tantra? And secondary sources too? Thank you. I love your work.
I can glance a glimpse of your foot - the outflow of grace in a guru! Coming to this course soon I hope.
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So glad I found this. Just amazing clear communication. Thankyou thankyou 🌸
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Thank you so much for generously sharing your knowledge.
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There is definitely a gap to be filled here. Even if this is just another good step. Yoga is a “never-ending” story. I'm currently reading the book in German. "Light on Tantra". And expand my darsana. The modern story has not yet been told at all, especially the yoga of the last 200 years, the yoga renaissance has to tell everything again differently or what is a Jnana yogi. Advaita Vedante, no yoga? Ramana or Vivekananda could only do one asana. nidhidhyasana. And there are animals in samadhi.
Actually the modern story has been told -- there are many good books on it. See Gudrun Buhnemann's book 84 Asanas, on 19th-century yoga. And many more...
by learning trick to memorize book, do you mean the reciting/singing nature of sanskrit, the structure of sanskrit being in form of identifiable patterns or something else? or rote learning
The magic keys is breathing..
Great. Very helpful!
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Does the Bhagavad Gita contain any references to Yoga? How long after the Vedas did the Gita come along? Thank you and thank you for this video.
depends which Vedas you're talking about, but about a thousand years after. and yes the BG actually teaches 7 kinds of yoga! or rather seven methods to attain Yoga.
@@christopherwallis751 Thank you for your reply! Vibha.
@@christopherwallis751 I am assuming the Maharishis who were inspired with the Vedas (Rig Veda/YV/SV/AV) must have been practicing breathing/concentration/meditation etc... I'm disappointed (through lack of a better word!) to hear these practices were not referenced in the original Vedas.
@@vibhaclass , those practices are not referenced in the hymns themselves (meaning the Samhitā portion of the first three Vedas), but they are referenced in places in the more didactic portions (brāhmanas, āranyakas, etc.). The early hymns were sometimes composed in ecstatic states or trance states, it would seem, but they didn't have a tradition of yogic meditation yet.
@@christopherwallis751 The Samhitā portion of the first three Vedas were composed at an earlier point in time to the more didactic portions of the Vedas?
What if you find new evidence tomorrow? Your whole talk will have to be retalked. And as science progresses new evidences will definitely come.
that's exactly what's so great about science! we get to revise and improve it with further research. religious dogma is not revisable.
Brilliant talk 🙏thank you for bringing this to us!
My pleasure!
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Beautiful lecture....
The notion that yoga is only happening in Contemporary Christianity is rather absurd. See: Desert Fathers, Hesychasm, MeisterEckhart, John of the Cross, ad Infinitum.
Oh sorry you misunderstood me I was speaking of modern postural yoga.
There's not much out there on the Shramana Movement, and intend on using your video for a reference in my epistle. I'm currently writing my 2nd part for Yoga, my 8th epistle, and I want to point out the Shramana Movement in light of the Protestant Movement. When I began doing my online research I had come across an article that mentioned the title for their Messengers, such as in Catholism they are called Apostles, and that title is a word that means 'to send','messenger'. They had them also, but for some reason I never marked that note, and can't find it. Do you know the Vedic Sanskrit word for Messenger, more so as a title such as Apostle?
For confirmation of the Shramana movement as the original source of Yoga, see Mallinson's "Roots of Yoga" published by Penguin.
perhaps the word you're thinking of is ṛṣi/rishi, 'seer'?
As always, thank you.
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animals do have vimarsha as do all life i think. A wolf walking into a bed of traps, wont likely go there the second or third time. You can argue its self preservation, but what about dog protecting its owner?
SO great! Thank you so much for sharing this Alice! And thank you Christopher for being alive!
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This is so good! Thank you for sharing. And your hand movements are beautiful- is it from practicing mudras? Much 💚
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Jain and Hindu people co-exist nicely like two dialects in the same language. We are not different except for maybe our food choices.
Buddhism pretty much became Tibetan in later years. Tantric Buddhism has so many gods and goddesses imported from Santana Dharma. Buddhism was never based on Gods and Goddesses otherwise. Also when Buddhism was started lots of spiritual concepts were already in place. That’s is why we say Santana Dharma or Indian Spirituality is mother of Buddhism. You will find om, mantras, meditation, concept of reincarnation, yogic techniques came from India which are also part of Buddhism.
So to your point, there is no overlap as such! Taking emotions out of the topic just to say theoretical facts is not justice for the topic.
Let’s not twist history of other people’s culture knowingly or unknowingly. Scholers are students and they should question things not conclude them!
Great lecture :) Thank you, Chris!
Glad it was helpful!
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INCREDIBLE. Totally inspiring!
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Thank you for Sharing this is very informative . I have recently started Reading "The Yoga Tradition " Its History , Literature , Philosophy and Practice By Georg Feuerstein . I have heard you mention in other videos about some scholars not having very strong Sanskrit translations . Are you Familiar with this work and if so is it a good place to start ?
Yes I know the book and it is very good, somewhat outdated now but when it was first published it was probably the best book of its kind.
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Wow... you made my Sunday afternoon! Thank you!!
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An hour 8 (1:08:00)... Did you do that on purpose? 😝
100% on purpose... there's no way this was pure chance xD
@@Nikhil-jh3yl I swear it used to be 1 hour 08 minutes exactly!
it did use to be, i had to shave off a few seconds.
Your teaching has really inspired me very much! Thanks and blessing to you for all your work 🙏🏼
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insightful as always. Thank you!
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Thank you so much for the teaching! I really appreciated!
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Thanks Hareesh, it's always refreshing to listen to your lectures!
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So sad that this course is no longer available 😢
it is available!! on TantrikaInstitute.org
@@christopherwallis751 I don't see The Real Story of Yoga anywhere on the site, details, pricing, etc...
@@digital00101 ah, apologies, it will be up in a couple of weeks, I'm told.
@@christopherwallis751 No prob, thanks.
occam's razor haha. so similar to our intellect being a cutting tool. science is the biggest contradiction to occams tho. what do you think?
good science, like good thinking in general, constantly uses the principle of Occam's razor.
Thank you for your sharing and teaching, I would love to hear more about the history of yoga and the philosophy from you in the future videos :)
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Hello ! thank you so much. Is there a second part of this video? seems that is a part missing cause it cuts at the end.
@@christopherwallis751 Thank you so much ! best news ever. I am enjoying a lot ! :)
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First foreigner who is better than the native.
when it comes to knowledge, 'foreigner' and 'native' really has nothing to do with it.
Wow you're the most amazing teacher. How can I study with you?
go to tantrailluminated.org !
Excellent - thanks for doing this and sharing your knowledge
PS. I'd love it it if you could do a historical presentation like this for tantra as well - for tantric shaivism, most definitely, but also other tantric traditions such as vajrayana buddhism, and how they are related... (Sorry if that sounds spolit and demanding!)
@@christopherwallis751 Nice. Reading your book Tantra Illuminated now - but yeah, thanks for link to yoga course, sounds fascinating...
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Did he just say: juicy?! I like that.❤️
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