Porsche 911 Carrera T vs Porsche GT3 Touring | Top Gear
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- A clash of the analogue Porsches? It’s a David vs Goliath battle of retro-flavoured 911s as Top Gear Magazine takes a look at the Porsche 911 Carrera T vs the Porsche GT3 Touring and which car makes us smile more on a series of epic roads in the south of France... Subscribe to Top Gear for more videos: bit.ly/Subscrib...
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I believe that Porsche is one of the few companies that hasn't lost touch to making cars for every type of driver whether it be racing or casual driving
Good point. The more I find out about Porsche, the more admire the company and their cars. What other car manufacturers would 'join' Porsche on this list? Nissan? Mercedes?
@@DemRizzo mercedes? They only put automatic transmissions in their sports cars since 2001. They dont give a damn about weight reduction. All they care is about power and technology.
I Would suggest TVR would be a good call, as their new models seem to be manual oriented
Yeah BMW M, no more N/A motors :(
I agree. They also make an entry level sports car for the gent or lady who is making a moderate salary in the base Cayman. It's around $55k here in The States to start that relationship. Now i'm sure i'ma bit biased owning a Porsche, but I have never had a negative experience with the car(s) and have been treated so well by Porsche and my dealership.
This manual T on standard roads (which let’s admit is 99% of us) is an incredible car. You can drive through the gears, max out, stick it through corners. It’s unreal. It will be a serious collectors car in next 5-10 yrs
Beautiful cinematography with two of my favourite cars. I’ve seen it before but it’s really quite excellent.
"Stealthy, flies under the radar, only people in the know will know how special this car is." -- The definition of every Porsche 911.
Not quite... the gt2 RS looks every bit as exotic as it is
The GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS look like race cars. Striped, loud with a huge wing. That's not stealthy. Nor under the radar.
Of course there are exceptions, but I think as a general rule we can safely say that the 911 fits this description.
As a rule, yes. I was just saying that this was a GT3 touring. A regular GT3 isn't under the radar. But yes. A 911 Carrera doesn't scream supercar. But then again, a base Carrera is slower than my Cayman GTS
Problem is that new 911 are so expensive, I don't really see them daily. I live where the weather is terrible and the roads are worse... so maybe that explains it.
I have a T and it’s bloody superb and it sounds superb!
I had a 997 s manual from new and put 40k miles it and I can safely say the manual s wouldn’t put a patch on the PDK T.
I believe the T will be very desirable in a few years .
I am looking for 2018 T now. So would you recommend the pdk? I Jane like a manual 997 . Thx
That GT3 Touring is, in my opinion, the greatest car ever made
Agreed.
Me too
I agree
The Turbo S ist better! It is significantly more expensive for a reason (>50 k€). More power (650 PS vs. 510 PS), more pleasant to drive (quieter!) and all-wheel drive. The volume of the GT3 is particularly annoying in the long run - away from the race track. As a daily driver - always the Turbo S. The same applies to the racetrack: A Turbo S with aerodynamics package outperforms any GT3. The Turbo S is incomparably faster.
@@1q2w3e4r5t6zism By that logic, a Tesla S Plaid is better than anything Porsche makes. The Turbo S is incredible, but at least 60% of the time an enthusiast would prefer a GT3 Touring 100% of the time.
Porsche with manual is the best!
911R❤️
I prefer this philosophy of the sports car more than the spec driven approach. I would take the GT3 on the exhaust note alone: I hate the trend guards the "juvenile" snap, crackle, pop exhausts.
Totally right, the turbocharged engine seams to make more noise on the overrun than on full throttle, it's a downer. Don't get me wrong, the "T" is a great car, friend of mine just bought one and the low pressure 3.0 Turbo is the better engine than the "S" one for feeling less turbocharged...still the 4.0 is unbeatable in terms of Drama and awesomeness.
That's all software tweaking to try and make turbo'd engines sound exciting. Car manufactures just map them so they pop and crackle because otherwise they'd sound really dull.
That 4.0L has to be one of the best engines on sale right now, I hope they keep it for the 992 GT3.
HyperLeafBlower what about the almighty huracan with its naturally aspirated 5.2l v10.
It cracks and pops too. That thunderous v10 sounds a lot better than any Porsche on the planet. Do you dislike it as well?
Not sure what I said to give you the impression I disliked the R8/Huracan engine, I'm glad they're still selling it. To be honest though it doesn't sound better than the GT3 4.0 to my ears, especially at 9k rpm. But beyond that there are few other engines on sale now that are as free revving or pull as hard at the top end. A few years ago no OEM would sell an engine with tolerances like that because they wouldn't be able to make it reliable enough. With the rigid valvetrain and dry sump it's basically a racing engine that you can use everyday.
Sport plus mode has no snap crackles
I've been behind the wheel of both and the only thing you really have to decide on is if you want the N/A or Turbo car. Both cars are phenomenal.
I like this guy. BBC should try dumping the comedy show that’s top gear and make it more informative like the old Top Gear
The old top gear was the comedy show and still informative..
With tiff and Quentin Wilson? That wasn’t comedy
That was fifth gear mate
I would say there was a tad, but that was Clarkson induced, But it wasn't boring, with Tiffs skill and Quentin's knowledge, it was a good show
Tiff was Top Gear before Clarkson took over the show.
The GT3 Touring front bumper is just so attractive 😍
*Porsche is a Two-Syllable Word™*
Doesn’t matter, the world is filled with different cultures and dialects
Which german dialect is the correct German
No they dont, you dont know what your talking about
yeah I only own two homes in Germany , an office building in Austria, and took four Porsche factory deliveries. But what do I know?
@@donh1572
Not enough, apparently.
Some otherwise bright people just have trouble with language, spelling and writing. Just as some struggle with math.
But there is still hope for you. Stay open minded and willing to learn.
lol “make 911 R speculators look a bit silly” #micdrop
"When was it ever a crime, to give customers exactly what they wanted?" Great line for the defense attorney of El Chapo...
Excellent, so I can save myself a few quid and can get a base Carrera with a manual and still have the same fun on the twisty mountain roads. Perfect!
Glad to see manual transmissions won’t be completely deleted anytime soon. ;)
On paper, that GT3 Touring is my ideal car. Love the colour, love how relatively low-key it is, but that Carrera T seems like an amazing bargain in comparison!
and you can actually buy one...
To own a Porsche is one of my many goals in life!
I really liked the back-to-basics style of this video.
Porsche Making the owners of 911R jealous?
They should get this guy and Henry from Carfection as hosts on Top Gear TV
Everything about the spec on that GT3 is impeccable
those are cars and should be the philosophy of making cars, not just how much torque or the best acceleration to 0-60 mph, but also the feeling that car and you are connect, and MANUAL GEARBOX OF THESE PORSCHE LOOKS AMAZING, greetings from Perú
No doubt this is a cool video with great cinematography, I just wish there were more, longer, in car shots showing the actual driving with the actual in car experience. Anyone else bothered @3:50 where the sound doesn't even match the tach? Presenter is good though - almost as good as Harris.
I'm lucky enough to have had my own 991.1 Carrera 2S in my ideal spec since the age of 33 - but the GT3 Touring is just perfect. One day..
"But other manufacturers, please take note: sports cars and supercars aren't just about headlines and numbers and performance figures. It's about the squidgy human sitting in the middle controlling them"
I think you can sum the video with this sentence
Car manufacturers should definitely look at what Porsche makes
AAAAAAAAAND Tesla fanboys will never understand all of that
Are there actually Tesla fanboys? Kind of tragic sounding.
@@dudley7540 yeah but they prefer it to be spelt fanboi
I like Teslas. I'm hyped for the Taycan too. But there will always be a place for cars like these. Just be glad we live in a time when we have so many amazing cars to enjoy and stop worrying about which one is 'best'
Tesla = gay
“In my day we had to put gasoline into our cars”
“Granddads telling us stories again about how his transportation pod needed liquid fuel, was stuck in two dimensions, and get this...it couldn’t even move without human input...”
Looks like Porsche got pissed people made more money than them on the 911R, now this is there revenge.
and how did they do that, by collecting all the ones that were on sale?
@@Bahadir.t they only made "991 911r so their price went up, so to calm it down they introduced gt3 touring
The problem is that the GT3 Touring was also a very limited run car and sells for £100k more than a standard car which is f@cking nuts considering you could just remove the spoiler and buy a new boot lid and end up with exactly the same!
@@oldsoulboy6483 You're wrong.
@@jochem1986 Why? tell me
I am so suck off giant wings, diffusers and snap, crackle, pop engines. Thank you for this GT3 Porsche.
I feel you TopGear. Keep doing what you're doing and don't get complacent, because this guy is after all just a Clarkson copy and no matter how much that might be a coincidence, you need to steer as far away from that as possible.
I know that Clarkson actually had the most intouch with the show's focus to begin with, which is the emotional side of driving BUT if you have the recipe for emotion you don't need to copy the style of Clarkson, so prove it.
This should feel like the Gentlemen's club all day everyday!
Have been waiting for this video for a long time! Not disappointed! Great cinematography as usual, beautiful cars and Jack pulls it off quite well. The Carrera T has gotten a lot of hate from what I've seen for being the 911 nobody asked for, but I don't think its that bad. However, in the company of the GT3 Touring, its easily overshadowed. The Carrera T is a brilliant car, but the GT3 is in a different league altogether. Atmospheric engine, epic chassis, looks good (its grown on me), I have a feeling these are going to go up in value sooner than we think.
While I agree with all the comments saying this should have been a harris video, this guy did an excellent job and made an excellent video which I would dare suggest is on par with the quality of old TG reviews. Great job guys, keep up the great work!
You'd have to be happy with either of these. A stick and three pedals in a modern sports car is a wonderful thing.
Im 18 and hope to own a porche by my late 20s hopefully the manual gearbox is still around and emissions haven’t devastated the sports car market
Just stick with porsche, they'll do it anyway around
Why wait til then? Just buy a 986 with a flat six and a manual gearbox in a couple of years. I paid £4k for mine and no, it's nowhere near a brand new 911, but it's a lot more like a 911 than anything else you can buy for the price of a 10 year old Golf.
Push it to 30s. 20s you can play around with a lot of car.
These are such high quality machines that retain value. Don't be afraid to buy used (and well maintained.)
Targa seems like the best choice over all.
Phenomenal review.
1) “… all these things help the [gt3 touring] bond with you rather than constantly straining at the leash.”
A gt3 touring.... absolute dreamcar.
The real question, is the GT3T 2x the fun of the CarreraT ? 85k for a CarreraT vs 170k for a GT3T?
If you can afford it, most definitely.
The answer is yes
Shot at 5:18 is super sick!
While I do miss the naturally aspirated flat sixes, Porsche has done a very good job of engineering their non-Turbo turbo engines. The Carrara T sounds lovely. I like the crackles and the slight turbo noise. The 4.0 in the gt3 is still my favorite but the T’s still sounds good and has more tuning potential. I couldn’t afford either one but if I could it would be hard to decide between the two. Most likely the gt3 but the fact you’d have enough money left over with the T to either do some mods or buy another car is pretty compelling. Either way, I don’t think either would disappoint.
Such magnificent works of art
They'd better make the off-road test drive of these Porsche 911s! It would be even more fun!
Why would you use these off road
These cars are not analogue. The only analogue thing about them is the manual gearbox, and even that delivers the power from an electronically controlled Engine to the wheels through a sophisticated stability control system and active suspension system, with the front wheels controlled by an electronic power steering system. Very analogue.
Gt3 looks way bigger in the vid idk why
Its only like an inch or two longer on paper but it looks huge on screen
If GT3 did not have that electronically adjustable rear wing (if it was optional), it would be perfect.
Recorded in France, south, la sainte beaume, what an amazing road!!!!!!!!!!!
Both of those make me excited. I really hope they both outsell their prospective counterparts within the 911 range.
Man...GT3 Touring...I think I need one.
3:53 that, ladies and gentleman, is losing grip during acceleration at 85 kmph.
Apparently that's because it was on winter tires. I lose traction in my uncle's Honda Odyssey off the line lol.
911 also know as widow-maker.
Both these are brilliant back to basics pure sports cars. Brz was much more in my price range but I love Porsche’s pure 2 doors.
This is a solid review, new Top Gear! You have it in you!
pretty sure the real world price difference between these two cars in the UK (once the dealer has took his cut) is actually the cost of another Carrera T, great video though
One time a man who said "it is absolutely superb".
All we want is informative reviews and comparisons with real driving information... no silly comedy shows. Thank you
8/10 of the video about the GT3. How often do you go 0-60,push to 9000 prm and all that stuff that looks tasty on paper. Hows the T from 30 to 70mph or 50 to 110mph? Because THAT`S where the fun is at 90% of the time and they didn`t even touch on that.
This should have been a Harris video :/
yup, same feeling here ^^
any TopGear Porsche video is not complete without Chris xD
Shut up you little children. This man is just as good as Chris Harris in what he does. Do you not see all the likes? He is a professional journalist and nearly flawless in this video. Might as well say, "Where on this bloody Earth is Jeremy Clarkson?!"
@@Ajsirb24 At what did we say we never liked the video? Considering Harris used to own a GT3T and is the 'Porsche Man' it would have made sense to have him do it. Nothing like saying bring back JC at all. I personally prefer what TopGear are now. Much more about people who are interested in cars and not entertainment as much.
Where is my man Chris Harris?
I’ll take the Porsche.
😂
not much specific information on the actual driving experience of either car - what's the primary and secondary ride like? - roll stiffness? - suspension compliance? - understeer? lift off oversteer? BTW, if you don't think a GT3 is Intimidating then you aren't driving it anywhere near it's limit.....I have to drive mine with my right hand on the gear lever most of the time because I know that I'm going to need 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear pretty quickly due to how fast the car accrues revs and speed.......
Always makes an impression regardless of generation
2 perfect cars
but gt3 is my favorite
but i can only wish one
For the first time in 30 years I bought an automatic car. I hated it so much I sold it & bought a manual.
What color is the GT3? Sorry if I missed it.
'It's about the squidgy human controlling them' is something I remember Clarkson saying. Regardless, this is a great film and review, reminiscent of stuff found on the evo channel, when evo still made good videos. Thumbs up from me.
I love that about porsche. They remember always what made them great and stayed there. Great show mate. Topgear is one of the best show's out there and a great inspiration to my show as well called LET'S ROLL OUT. 👏👏👏👏
top gear isn't the same since clarkson, may and hammond
I really do hope that Porsche will always continue to live up to its expectancy... Always making perfect cars 👌😎
в детстве я почему то не понимал 911 и его не сменный дизаин, а сейчас я так люблю его за это..
Forget the £30k price difference. You can only get your hands on a used GT3 Touring and £160k is the going rate today. Suddenly it's £75,000 difference, which makes decisions so much more difficult, or takes the Touring out of most enthusiasts budgets.
Man you guys have been putting out some great videos! Keep it coming!
I thought Vision was narrating this video :P
Nice video and nice cars!!! Where did you make this video? I know,south of France but, if is possible,could I know the route?
Chris Harris please. The mispronunciation at the end of Porsche is the equivalent - to me, at least - of stating Lamborghin.
Great video. Informative yet entertaining, and beautiful to look at. Keep up this level of quality.
I’m not some young kid nor am I someone that is obsessed with the latest and greatest technology. I still use headphones with wires attached. Why, because it sounds much better and there are fewer tech hiccups along the way. So why for the past two years has every diehard car enthusiast claimed to want a manual stick shift. It doesn’t make you a better driver. And I get it, it’s the experience of driving just like I enjoy using manual focus lenses on my cameras because it improves my enjoyment taking photos. Yet the actual enjoyment I received from driving is the feeling from the cars handling. Becoming more accurate and taking time to learn how the car response to road conditions. Learning from laps and becoming better at driving. But the possible enjoyment and experience from using a manual gearbox just seems like a little child saying vroom vroom as they pertain to drive a stationary car. The actual feedback from the car doesn’t come from the shift knob. A pro driver will lose anywhere between 1.5 to 2 seconds per lap while using a manual gearbox. This also causes the suspension to lunge because of the momentary 0.2 seconds there is less traction/power go into the wheels causing unbalance. Because the car is less balanced you’re unable to take corners or exit even though you’re not shifting in the corners you will generally downshift before entering a quarter. And the balance of the car while entering the corner also affects exiting of said corner. If you’re driving during wet conditions those 0.2 seconds while shifting could cause issues. So even if lap times are not your concern the feedback from the car all comes from the steering wheel, and general vibrations sitting in the seat, obviously. The whole idea that you would want to take your hands off the steering wheel as a benefit in someway just seems insane to me. If you have a vintage car with a manual gearbox, that’s great. I can see the enjoyment of the total experience. But if you’re spending so much money on a car because it has some of the highest performance current technology could develop and then choosing something that limits the performance just so you can go vroom vroom is ridiculous. While I’m sure this will get lots of hate responses, and I don’t care. This is just my opinion and you can have your own. Thank God the Internet allows me to share it without hurting others.
When I want DSG I take the GTi. Manual, the Rado.
You don’t get it.
People who love manuals don’t give a damn about laptimes. The shifting is simply therapeutic and more enjoyable for them. It personalized the car and adds excitement.
If you love autos that’s cool, not shaming you for it but I’m not a race car driver so these seconds I’m losing during shifts don’t mean anything to me.
I’ve owned 2 m3’s. The first one was a dct and it was fun but after a while it just seemed like just a car. Just my way of transportation. When I bought my second m3 it was a manual and for some reason I love this car so much more. I start smiling as I’m approaching it in the parking lot. I look back at it when I’m leaving it after a fun drive.
I can’t describe it.. the manual just makes me feel connected. The autos always eventually bore me and turn any car into just a car but that’s just me though.
I agree completely. Seems like a very popular fad right now to evangelize about the manual transmission. Ad nausea. Probably because it’s seen as an endangered species much like the naturally aspirated engine, or I guess eventually any engine. But the difference is you don’t see the journalists telling you DONT buy an electric car. I intend to have an electric daily - hopefully the Taycan, but will be keeping my petrol powered naturally aspirated GT3 for fun drives. And I am happy with the PDK. Buy a manual if you want one, but damn well buy a PDK if you want that. There’s a reason both exist. The whining about manual manual manual is getting old. Anyone who prefers manual intends to buy a manual doesn’t need to be reminded about it for every new car. Just accept the fact that some people prefer paddle shifters or automatic and don’t want a third pedal. And by the way - automatics and DCTs help petrol powered cars get better fuel economy. If you want engines to stick around longer maybe you should be glad so many people chose PDK and lower emissions overall.
Society likes to takes risks big and small for pleasure my friend: it's the same as those individuals who climb up really high poles (unanchored) in pursuit of adrenaline rushes; very engaging for them. Often the more instrumentally inclined a person is (their kinesthetic senses are strongly connected with their auditory senses) those individuals find it very addicting. Heritage & nostalgia come into play. Less so, but still a reason, manual cars are more economical to (initial base prices are cheaper): recently my dad whose very familiar with driving a manual car (cause he was born in the 60's) was short over a grand cash to buy a new daily commuter (he was looking at an automatic Passat) so instead he bought the manual version (which he was happy to just be able to afford).
I wouldn't have an automatic 911. No way. I've owned a 928 which was an auto and brilliant, and I had a golf GTi with DSG because it was perfectly suited to the car so I'm not some hipster traditionalist, but, sometimes, you just want analogue not digital. In a 911 it's about the heritage, the engineering, the old race cars we grew up watching, the perfectly timed blip of the throttle on the down shift. It's an emotional connection to the skill of driving.
And when you take that away, you take a bit of the fun and the skill away too.
why the price of carrera T is harder to depreciate over time than the gt3 itself when i look up in the used car website to do some survey.
Beautiful cars
Love it mate
Magnificent video guys
I wish BMW would take note of your last comment - the new M340i doesn't get a manual box! Wish I could afford that Touring......
How many versions of the 911 are they going to make?
What color is it on the porche gt3 touring on the picture?
Does the touring have a pop up rear spoiler?
A couple more weeks until The Grand Tour season (series) 3!
U said everything in the last seconds of the video! 👍
TG magazine hasn't lost it, then.
This guy should be a regular beside Chris Harris.
Fantastic review and beautiful Spec Porsche’s
I bet this would get at least double the views if Chris Harris name was in the title.
Where is this tower in the opening shot?
Just learn how to say Porsche. Don’t embrace saying it wrong to make a point that it doesn’t matter.
Wheres Chris Harris I want Chris Harris give me Chris Harris hahah
This should've been a Chris Harris video.
I wish this just had the two cars being driven through the mountains and their exhaust notes. As opposed to the commentary
A Porsche review done by some guy when you have Chris Harris on your team? What the %$&%
Some say , he left Top gear and went to the Grand Tour, all we know is, he is called Jerermy Clarkson.
What song is this at the beginning?! I've heard it in movies too. So good
Obviously I'd have a GT3 Touring over the Carrera T, but I think the T would probably be more fun day to day.
Did he say £111k for the touring? You wouldn’t know that from looking at the classifieds.
All it needs is a manual gearbox, thats it
Other manufactors should be taking notes
We need to safe the manuals
This guy needs to be on the show. Forget the current crew