Why Science gives more Purpose & Meaning than Religion
Вставка
- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- In this thought-provoking video, we delve into the compelling argument that science, with its empirical methods and quest for understanding the natural world, can provide a more profound sense of purpose and meaning than traditional religious beliefs.
Become part of our Patreon Community:
/ adoseofreason
By supporting the channel through our Patreon you're also invited to join our private Discord server!
Sources:
1. Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor Meet on Oprah
• Dan Barker and Annie L...
2. Lawrence Krauss Debates a Philosopher - Is Religion Compatible With Science?
• Lawrence Krauss Debate...
3. Sam Harris - Faith vs Reason in the Modern World
• Sam Harris - Faith vs ...
4. Religion Harms Society | Michael Nugent | Oxford Union
• Religion Harms Society...
Follow us on Facebook & Twitter:
/ pl.curious
/ twtatheist
Email:
TWTatheist@gmail.com
I was raised by a very religious mom and a scientist nonbeliever dad. I lost my own faith past the age of 50. I very much wish I could join my parents and loved ones in a beautiful heaven. But I would rather embrace reality and accept that they are gone forever and that my time is limited, as well. I must make the most of my time alive and embrace love, nature, and explore my own talents. My memories of my loved ones keep them alive for me. Accepting reality is much better than any comforting pile of untruths and manipulations. I miss those seductive promises of religion, but I would rather live in the truth than in false promises. And I do not miss the threats, manipulation, and coercion that religion employs.
With the amount of sin Christians/theists commit (un)knowingly, I think it is rather bold to think that any of their relatives end up in heaven. But hardly any Christian realizes that and if they do, they live with great anxiety.
@@krembryleFunny coming from someone who doesn’t even believe in sin. No Christian worth their salt is claiming that one cannot sin merely by being Christian. That Christians fail to live up to an ideal says nothing about the veracity of said ideal.
Pretty sad. Now that you "know the truth you think" you have no hope of seeing your parents again or anything but death. As someone who has been on the other side and met God I must lovingly tell you that your WRONG!😉🙏
Forget religion and your pride,logic,reason and believe and "TRUST" Jesus and you are going to be AMAZED at how WRONG you were.💓🙏
@@bookishbrendan8875 Since those sins are by {the believer that it is a sin}, they must live in constant fear that the sin will catch up with them. The non theist knows that there is no heaven/hell to go to so are not worried about it.
You are saying the person who has said "those who believe that it is sin but sin anyway can not get to heaven" must be foolish because the also say "there is no heaven", that is that no one can get into heaven.
@@alanhilder1883 I honestly haven’t the faintest idea at what you’re trying to get at, Alan.
Yes, Christians live in fear of the wrongs they’ve done. Is this supposed to be a bad thing? I’d say that fear of wrongdoing is a far cry better than no fear of wrongdoing.
What I was striking at was the oddity of a nonbeliever talking about the fallibility of those who believe in sin *as if* this somehow makes believing loved ones might yet get into heaven is unwarranted. Christians hope that they and their loved ones will get into heaven. And yes, verily that involves some degree of anxiety as to the fate of their souls. Hence the importance of evangelization and Christian charity. Again, so what? What is the original post I responded to supposed to prove? That Christians care about others and aren’t perfect? How is this a knock against Christianity?
As a teenager in the 70's I came to the conclusion that religion made no sense, I could no longer lie to myself about something my brain rejected.
As a teenager you bested all philosophers of all religions? Wow, you are genius. You must be proud.
Is your brain defective?
@@junosoftas a child I realized religion made no sense. 40 years later that understanding has been validated countless times.
@@junosoft No, I was just being honest with myself. Religion was baggage I didn't want to carry around all my life.
Amazing that you put all these philosophers and scholars to shame at such young age.@@kristinadutton3259. Did you read their books as a child or later?
You might also want to publish your findings. It will revolutionize the field,
For me, religion was always about surrendering self-control to people or forces “greater” than me. As a teen, I didn’t want to be told what to do, not to do, and what to fear. I dumped religion and have never looked back.
No religion is NOT about surrendering to forces greater than yourself. "Rightousness it the best good. Happiness comes to him who is rightous for the sake of rightousness"- Zoroastrian prayer
@@TheMilitantMazdakite just zip it up…not interested in your indoctrination.
@@EmilyTienne💪❤
@@EmilyTienne Satan agrees with you. You want to be God. But you aren't.
I used to be atheist but I'm christian and I've studied most of the world's biggest religions but I'm christian instead, if you want eternal life or if you sin Islam says to do good and to pray 5 times a day others will tell you to do some rituals and also to do good but Christianity is different, you're not just a speck in a univers that was never ment for you and doesn't care whether you're here or not, we are the center of creation in God's eyes you are a priceless joule, you are worth the pain he had to go through so you don't have to, to God you are worth getting his hands and legs pearsed by nails, to God you are loved and you have meaning, you don't have to make it up to him by giving to charity or something, just repent, to repent means to change your mind, to turn away from sin and through him all things are made new, so no matter how far you've strayed away, there's always a way back, and when you return to him, you'll find his arms spread out, ready to hug you as his precious child. If you really want to know, at your own time ask him for a sign, I guarantee you will see something.
My mentality has improved greatly since I walked away from the propositions that there are supernatural influences on nature. I am comforted by the uniform predictability of nature.
And that my friend is true religion. 🙌🏼
My favorite science has always been the study of ancient life on earth like dinosaurs and prehistoric mammals and even ancient human species ever since I was a child. Things like the Bible have always disturbed me or outright scared me. Even now as an adult. I as someone formerly religious can safely say science has brought me more peace and understanding than the Bible ever did.
Pretty much the same here. And it was until my teens that I realized there are people taking mythology as true and that is every religion, mythology and EVERY RELIGION ACCEPTS ALL OTHERS ARE MYTHOLOGY but NOT their own, how convenient?
Well if you read it with the bronze and Iron Age point of view it can be an enlightening book. But you have to approach it knowing men wrote it not god, real people living within their time and place. It’s a library of stories, poems, songs, and letters that has been translated many times to fit into what was going on at that time.
@@AntitheistHuman "EVERY RELIGION ACCEPTS ALL OTHERS ARE MYTHOLOGY but NOT their own"
Actually, no. No serious religion attempts to refute miracles of other religions.
Reference Chesterton x Blatchford debate for more information.
@@junosoft false, you can do as many apologetics as you want and that does not change the fact that every religion commands its people to consider their own the ONLY TRUE ONE, that is a fact sir, ask any christian apologist how much time they spend defending Amon-Ra and Osiris? The answer will be "0".
Your statement is misinformation, sir.
@@AntitheistHuman A religion which considers itself the ONLY TRUE ONE, (as it should be) will refute the moral and doctrine of other religions, but not their miracles.
I don't know what in my post made you think I said they would *defend* the miracles of other religions.
I even left a reference for you to search and check out and learn what I was talking about.
Not sure who first said this but I first heard it from Ricky Gervais. If religion and science both disappeared overnight, a thousand years later, both would be back. But the religion would be completely different while the science would be the same.
Scripture and religion is designed to make lies sound truthful, abuse, torture, slavery and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
Quite the assertion.
@@bookishbrendan8875 What is your problem with this statement? Please elaborate.
"Lies sound truthful". No, religion is not a "lie". "Abuse, torture, slavery and murder respectable". Complete projection. The liberal world order is the worst regime I could possibly imagine. ("Liberal" in the traditional sense of the word, I do not mean leftists, I am a member of the FAR left) Voltaire popularized racism. Does that mean that liberalism is racist? (which it is, just not because of that). "Give an apperance of solidity to pure wind". Reasoning is subjective. Deal with it.
Can you please give examples so I can see how good or bad faith you are
Well said.
Having grown up in the Byzantine Catholic religion and finally, unfortunately, in my later years coming to the realization that it’s all steeped in ancient dogma and persuasiveness, I am now so very much more appreciative of the world around me. Thank you so very much for this video! Anything that bolsters my reality based observations of this universe is so very meaningful.
@@ContemplativeThinker Interesting. Could you elaborate more?
Religion lost its best argument when they were prevented from burning others at the stake.
Yes
False.
Dayum. That’s it folks. This simple witticism single-handedly disproved religion. I bow to your awe-inspiring intellectual magnitude, sir. You truly, truly astound.
@@bookishbrendan8875 ocean man, please dont fry me in a pan, i dont know the rest of the lyrics.
Wow, great strawman.
Great video. I personally believe that religion should be studied not practiced.
Physical prescription are subject without further notice but unfortunately 1900s structuralism plagiarizing the old chaldean model of Babylonian evolutionary primordial soup mythology radicalized environment is god ,governed by extreme physical lawisms prescriptions had value but its very human centric lines of thought.
One where the human dashboard excersize is judging a book by its cover, industrial revolutionary mindset factory based step by step biases in naturalism believed we would find fundamental building blocks that would be dealt with like statical anylitics was done to newtonian physics but it didn't happen.
Now ironically athiestic & theistic naturalism argues for big bang top down evolutionary theory of everything and is in direct opposition to what they originally thought and argued. The pagan minds way of rationalizing the world around us is adopted , mapped and strongly defended lol
Funny how the very movement that begins to argue one thing can become its own opposition.
Look at evolutionary biology with dna code ,tiny packs of info hi & low energy Phenotypes, 3 way data transfers and influences in organism. Everything that darwin and lyle argued against is now supposed to mean evolution lol
If no one practiced it, there’d be nothing to study.
@@bookishbrendan8875 We live in a time where testable experiments on every scale is occurring around us.
Athens Greece had everything to create a steam engine and bring about the industrial revolution but they can't ask the right questions to do so.
Unpacked successful social behaviors like ,
Prayer logic, asking every possible question that can be asked about a system.
Cursed rationalism subtraction of bad questions
Blessed common sense invoked positive thoughts to inherent the earth.
They found the older source of standardized weights and measurements in it. They explored philosophy and set theory mathematical equations derived from them but they still missed out because they thought they had all the answers already.
It took the rise of God given free will epistemology of self practiced by the master of this in issac newton to really put math behind the structuralism of how deterministic simplicity granted value here will push infinite sums of complexity there.
Even in catholicism ,orthodoxy, islam, Hindu etc etc these lines of thought share the old chaldean minded structuralism.
The deterministic radicalized nature is god, governed by extreme physical lawisms prescriptions structuralism.
These have value but like any closed system that's top down , structuralism built by one generation becomes a jail for the next.
Physical prescription are subject to change without further notice .
Athiestic & theistic naturalism settles. Its stuck in its ways and doesn't like change
@@bookishbrendan8875 if everyone practiced pure Christianity then we learn the ultimate knowing. The universes theory of everything will truly by unveiled in such a unified investigation of reality
The last one is literally the words of someone truly wise! One can enjoy/celebrate religious festivals without believing in all the dogmas.
Religions are not dogmatic.
@@TheMilitantMazdakiteoh really 🤣
@@TheMilitantMazdakite Religion is the finest definition of dogma.
@@tiromandal6399 No, it is not. Religion does not tell you what to believe.
@@TheMilitantMazdakite Yea and I can bring back the dead.
I kind of agree with your closing statements but,although you’ve made your choice of words very clear,somebody will still misinterpret what you’ve said.
There is no doubt in my mind that reality is exponentially more awe inspiring than any religion ever will be.
Science has never failed me but religion always has.
No, science and religion can perfectly interlock.
@@TheMilitantMazdakiteNo it can't.
@@-Thauma- Of course it can. Nothing precludes a believer from acknowledging scientific knowledge. Else there’d be no religious scientists in the world.
@@bookishbrendan8875 nothing precludes scientists from holding beleifs that might be wrong.
The difference is religion holds onto dogmas. Science endevors to weed out human imperfection and get closer to the state of the universe however incomplete or imperfect.
Science is a testement to what we can know although we are failable - Brownoski.
Religion makes claims that you are not supossed to question. Modern religions have to pretend large tracts of its holy books are not relevant or needed at the time so that modern thiests can ignore that secular society for example isnt cool with stoning gays, people who work on the sabbath, slavery etc.
So yes scientists like all humans can believe contradictory thinks but although in principle science could be used to prove or quatify a religion religion has never been able to meet the scientific process.
@@bookishbrendan8875Guess you've never heard of cognitive dissonance then.
I'll take anything based on FACTS like Science over things based on Blind Faith any and every day!!!
NOTHING has set Mankind back more than belief in gods!!
And today, nothing is setting America back more than woke leftism.
I knew that I was an atheist at the age of 10. This happened after I asked my teacher questions about the Old Testament and got no logical answers. I had to study the Old Testament for a matriculation exam. I got an A+ on this exam - but this study made me more sure about the immorality, contradictions, and inaccurate information in the Old Testament. I also read the Quran and it made me more secure in being an Atheist. One needs to read these texts to get the point.
Nature, Music, Art, and the observable universe offer MUCH more spirituality than religion while keeping the mind free of nonsensical claims and immoral teachings. I hope that the human race will ditch religion, as well as political dogma, and become one race - the human race. If someone wants a spiritual replacement for chanting - they can sing the song 'Imagin' by John Lennon!
Well said and good points! I agree the music Imagine too! When I woke from Bible 2020 during Covid and seeing war happen in Europe and recent one at ME, I was mentally down wondering if I should go back to religion or a God, but one day what helped me to feel relief was listening to Imagine! Not praying to something invisible. Just listening this music let me understand what humanity actually needs.
the problem is, you've kinda forgotten that even nowadays they'll be new religions poppin up into existence or rather how that'll happen..
i mean, it basically starts with a group of people having lived through suffering, being deperate for change for decades, not only for their own life but the coming generations.. and within this pool, rituals and doctrins will emerge..
you might not see it as a very early form of religion, but in my eyes, i would count conspiracy theories and new age beliefs towards what i said..
Political dogmas are also dangerous. Look at Karl Marx. His ideas brought over 100 million people to their death in the 20th century, including 1/3 of the country of Cambodia that were complexly wiped out because of Communism. So Marxism/Communism/Socialism is also a religion.
"There is something infantile in the presumption that somebody else has a responsibility to give your life meaning and point… The truly adult view, by contrast, is that our life is as meaningful, as full and as wonderful _as we choose to make it_ " - Richard Dawkins
In the end it was no more meaningful than that as a bug!
What religion promises, science delivers.
That doesn't really work. I mean religion basically promises only ever lasting life, and science is unlikely to deliver that. I'm surprised that you got 17 likes. Sorry, I'm not trying to troll.
Soy boy@@ZER0--
Right. Except that the most scientifically advanced nations have the highest rates of suicide and depression. “Science delivers” indeed.
Only our hell is supercharged with radioactive fire.
Except you are lying. Science cannot deliver meaning, purpose, or anything spiritual or significant to the ultimate questions. Science is like a tool in the toolbox. Works great within it's limited scope.
This video is one of the best ever made on the subject of life and religion. Thank you.
👏👏👏🍀🍀🍀
Is it though?
They never even explained or justified the premise. Why would they present a dichotomy where science & religion would be diametrically opposed to each other ? As though they were competing with each other for something, which makes no sense bc they are seperate fields of inquiry & deal with completrly diff subject matter and serve distinctly different purposes. They are not mutualy exclusive, or in opposition to each other. The two are completely compatible with one another and are even complementary. There is no reason why a person would need to decide between the two instead of just embracing both.
@@gregsanich5183 Any specific religion makes truth claims that are incompatible with the data we are gathering through scientific enquiry. Religion tells people how to live, and scientific studies have started to demonstrate that these ways are not the best for society or the individual's happiness (on average).
The idea that religion is the only thing that can tell us what's moral (I assume this is what you mean by religion and science being completely different subject matters) is as valid as the old idea that religion is the only thing that can tell us how the world works. From the perspective that religion is false, it cannot tell us anything about morality so we have to look elsewhere. My opinion is that morality is about maximising pleasure and minimising suffering for all consciousness in the universe (or multiverse if you believe that's a thing). We can use science to determine how best to achieve this.
You can't let religions claim that something can only be done by them, and just accept that, even if it's largely been accepted for thousands of years.
@@huxleybennett4732 ....? ....are you suggesting that christian values have somehow been demonstrated to not be conducive to an ideal society or a persons wellbeing? Which ones exactly?
.....I call bs. Show me this data your talking about, bc theres no way that can be true. Those are the values that our society is based on and our current moral standard come from distinctly theistic presuppositions.
I’ve personally never understood how people find “meaning” in the prospect of existing eternally in a static paradise, singing the praises of one’s Creator, accompanied by only those loved ones who similarly were able to believe. That said, I doubt those people could find meaning in the things that I do, such as awe at the wonders of the natural world or viewings of Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY. We’re all here for a very short period of time, the religious and non-religious alike, and we all have to find meaning as best we can.
I’m pretty sure a religious person can wonder at the beauty of the cosmos as much as any atheist. The only difference is that their wonder is rooted in gratitude, something for which the atheist cannot possibly have.
Also, your caricature of the afterlife is just that, and isn’t even close what many religion metaphysicians have posited over the centuries.
Hahah, that’s a very slow and boring movie lol
As a Jew in the Reform tradition, I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment of religion. I have faith in science, because it is not static or stagnant! Science and scientists are constantly looking for answers. They don’t rely solely on ancient texts for guidance!
Do you have faith in science? Surely you mean trust. Otherwise, science becomes another religion. Science exposes the ridiculousness of religion and exposes that many of the ancient writers suffered from a range of mental disorders, including schizophrenia, manic depression, auditory visual hallucinations, and more.Shalom and G'day. Am yisrael chai!. Don't forget many sought death through " suicide by proxy " :) 😊
Most people who claim to "believe in science" are actually very scientifically illiterate. And most of them also, subscribe to political ideologies that are very unscientific and lack critical thinking -- and I strongly suspect you fall into that category.
Religions will be humanities downfall, it feels like we as a species inherited a greater fear over response, knowledge is the only why to unwire that fear
Not with the atomic bomb it wasnt.
No, religion has NOT caused ANY harm. PERIOD!
@@TheMilitantMazdakite ... have you ever heard the tragedy of catholics+
It can be terrifying to let go of the comfort and certainty that religion provides. Most are driven by emotion and will always make the emotional choice.
Religion NEVER gave me comfort! It was very mentally abusive with its lies!
Christianity did NOTHING good in my life but keep me around bigoted, judgmental, hateful people.
I don't believe I have a superior intelligence to the average person in the street, but I made up my mind at the age of seven, that there was no such thing as a God. I looked up at the sun, in the sky and decided there was no room for one. Now if I could do that at that age, so can others.
Me too! Almost feels like our brains are evolving to eliminate that non sense.
You are almost certainly above average as well as wired for skepticism.
At age four it was explained to me that there was no Santa Claus. My older sister was the one who convinced me there was a Santa Claus but then broke it to me that there wasn't one. At age 4 after telling me there was no Saint Nick she proceeded to tell me there was a sky daddy instead. Skeptically I rejected that claim. All of the adults were waving their hands in the air about sky daddy but it sounded like a Santa Claus story to me and I rejected it. The adults who were really crazy about sky daddy were the creepiest of all. So yeah, I've been an atheist my entire life even though both of my parents consider themselves to be Christians.
You made up your mind about something like God at the age of seven? Methinks that’s a bit hasty, don’t you?
@@bookishbrendan8875 yes, but its good enough of a age.
Its not wrong or right. But it is morally right.
(Refer to your book containing the horrible sides of religion, mostly catholism)
So much respect for Michael Nugent's argument that day.
I'd always thought the only thing that religion hadn't tried to control was the bathroom functions. Then I met Islam. Allah cares which foot to use when stepping in and out, and how many rocks to use to wipe oneself. To me that is absolute neurotic control and I see no moral purpose in that.
Dude, the things that "religion tries to control" are either what was taboos in the culture.
" Spirituality is personal, religion mere crowd control." Kierkegaard. Religion is the ne plus ultra of power, control et al.
Any evidence.
@TheMilitantMazdakite "Any evidence" 🤦♂️ Use your brain ffs
*Bad Process*
The main problem isn’t the conclusions religions come to but the process for reaching those conclusions. *The process* is what makes science and religion incompatible.
What is this bad process you speak of?
@@bookishbrendan8875 Accepting and conjuring claims based on dogma, usually religious dogma.
The anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers have a similar process.
@@bookishbrendan8875 Look into Epistemology. How we know what we know. Notice that science is Empiricist and religion is Rationalist (sometimes called Dogmatist).
Specifically, the "bad process" is the assignment of truth to a proposition, without evidence.
No, that is not how reasoning works. Reasoning is subjective. DEAL WITH IT!!!
@@scienceexplains302 No, that is not how reasoning works. Religion is not based on dogma, and reasoning is subjective. DEAL WITH IT!!!
Thank you for making these compilations, love them! Who’s the guy talking at 9:05? A nice touch to these videos would be to have a timestamp stating who speaking. Appreciate your effort.
Michael Nugent
“So Galileo spent the rest of his life under house arrest. Meanwhile up in the Netherlands Baruch Spinoza did work that helped Isaac Newton. Baruch Spinoza who’d been excommunicated by the Jews, discriminated against by the Christians, and tolerated by the Dutch.” James Burke in Connections
I find science far superior to religion for explanation, solace, and purpose. Lawrence Krauss is my guy.
I stopped being Catholic at the age of 21. Proud to be a LaVeyan Satanist who found meaning with the help of science and human compassion. That's why I shouldn't have to fear death. There's a difference between being brave and being fearless.
Outstanding compilation.
as a ex Jehovahs Witness and being told as a little kid the world was gonna end at any given moment and told if i wasnt good i wasnt going to make it. Being told i cant celebrate any holidays or my bday cause that is against the rules. Left when i was in my late 20s and still dealing the the anxiety and paranoia that i got being raised in a cult
It is akin to child abuse to raise a child religiously. Religion is also the biggest procrastination on the human project.
Bullshit. Religion is NOT DOGMA! Also, your children are being brainwashed in their schools every single day. I intend to raise my children Mazdakite, to undo that indocrination. When they think of the "enlightenment" anyone with a heart or a brain would think of slavery, imperialism, the holocaust, and capitalism
Both of those are bullshit. Zoroastrianism is explicitly humanist, teaching that it is humanity that decides weather or not good or evil wins, and raising a child religiously is no differint to raising in any other idealology. I WILL raise my children Mazdakite, as I need to undo the Ahr*manic empire's (Which is redundant, as all empires are Ahrimanic) indoctrination that exists in the "public schooling system". I need to teach my children that the peak of human enlightenment was in the neolithic era, and early copper age, before the rise of the Ahrimanic empire.
There was no me before I was born. There is a me now for a brief instant. There shall be no me when I die. That is why I try to do as much as possible to better this world when I am here.
I don't get the purpose in my life from religion. Been there, done that. I don't get my purpose from science. I don't get it from other people or from myself. Who do I get it from? Nowhere. I don't have any purpose in my life, and furthermore, I don't want one. Why do I need to have one? When we talk about the purpose an object has, or the meaning a word or phrase has, we talk about the way it is used, the way it was meant to be used, or the process it was made for doing. These are all externally imposed, if only because tools and words aren't sentient, but even when a human talks about giving purpose to their own life, I still don't see why it's such a great thing. I still see the idea that life as a whole should have a purpose or a meaning is a strange and unnecessary idea, probably a relic that remains in a person or a society that used to be immersed in religious thinking. The idea that your life in its entirety exists for one reason, one goal, and furthermore that it SHOULD be like that, is an idea I don't want any part in, regardless of where it comes from. It sounds like an unhealthy preoccupation, an obsession, something that consumes your life and your thoughts. I can get by just fine without it, and if you don't, then that's on you.
👏👏👏👏🍀🍀🍀🍀
Humanity MUST transcend religion if we are ever to achieve social equity and enlightenment. We MUST evolve beyond the need for such anachronistic systems of control.
I believe the average human being is TaylorMade to be a slave.
It's just baked in 🤷♂️...
I was # 390 on the thumbs up . We all have a job to do while we are on this planet. We need to do our best to expose the mythology and the harms done in the name of religion wherever it is found. If you can open the eyes of just one person that is a success.
No, religion is not mythology, as reasoning is subjective, and has caused no harm. Everything supposedly the fault of religion is the fault of the west's global imperialist order.
And we need to also expose the harm done in the name of woke leftism.
@@johnnastrom9400 Being "woke " means being aware of the truth. If you are not woke you are asleep.
@@tomsawyer8525 -- No. It means conforming to identity politics and other bullsh*t of the radical left.
Because science doesn't start and end with imaginary beings controlling the universe.
Several times in my life *beautiful landscapes* have made me tear up.
And for me to try to believe it was all "created" by a *celestial daddy figure* by merely snapping his fingers, just *cheapens it.*
Especially when you describe God in such simplistic terms. Most people are not philosophical, including religious fundamentalists and atheists like you.
They never even explained or justified the premise.
Why would they present a dichotomy where science & religion would be diametrically opposed to each other ? As though they were competing with each other for something, which makes no sense bc they are seperate fields of inquiry & deal with completrly diff subject matter and serve distinctly different purposes. They are not mutualy exclusive, or in opposition to each other. The two are completely compatible with one another and are even complementary. There is no reason why a person would need to decide between the two instead of just embracing both.
Live free or die but don't live with lies.
"Religion obfuscates, science illuminates"
Why can’t the overall purpose of life just be the experience and learning? how can you say experience, getting understanding, is not Purpose? 6:22
Science gives us results, religion gives us the dark ages.
When has it given us the dark ages?
@@ryencheb6734 During the dark ages. And even today in religious nations they tend to be worse off than societies based in secular principles.
@@2l84me8 no. That was the fall of the western empire, and if you say Christianity caused the fall of the Eastern Roman empire look to the Byzantine empire. I will admit Catholicism may of been a factor in prolonging it but it was only a factor out of many.
Personally I am eastern (Christian) orthodox, so the western world is my rebuttal to religion vs non religious world. I am also American, so you have to consider the population difference, size difference and other factors before saying the Nordic secular (which I'm assuming you are referencing by more secular societies but call me out if I made the wrong assumption.) countries are better than the United States.
Also just look up "Christianity And Science" on Wikipedia, too.
@@ryencheb6734 The United States is neither a religious nation nor a christain one. And crime and mental health statistics would disagree with your claim that secular nations aren’t better off than religious ones.
Religion is an outdated hobby that contributes more harm than good.
A couple weeks ago I was watching the documentary about river phoenix and one of rivers's friends was asked why he didn't seemingly morn or was not seemingly sad about river dying and the guy flat out said "well because he's in a better place now what's there to be sad about" or something along those lines.
I'm on the side of science. 📡💉🔭🔬🧬🧫🧪⚗️
Cool, but I hope you're actually learning.
@@rimbusjift7575no need for hope. You can find the solution on your own. That’s the point of science, to find the answer without simply remaining content with a guess. That isn’t to say science has all the answers, but it has answers and how you digest those answers is up to you, you can see them as material and benign, or you can see the wonder in what is the material, you can see it as the universes way of understanding itself vicariously through us as we are part of it.
@@rimbusjift7575 Everyday.
@@rimbusjift7575 Daily.
"God exists and he is good" yeah ok
"Explosive metal that hates water and german gas makes salt" heck yea
I spent my entire life in search of meaning and found myself amongst narcissists. Now I see reality as it is. The beauty of physicality and perferction of the body itself.
Our reality is dependant on imperfection. Perfection is stagnant.
“There is no such thing as perfect in this world. That may sound cliché, but it’s the truth. The average person admires perfection and seeks to obtain it. But, what’s the point of achieving perfection? There is none. Nothing. Not a single thing. I loathe perfection! If something is perfect, then there is nothing left. There is no room for imagination. No place left for a person to gain additional knowledge or abilities. Do you know what that means? For scientists such as ourselves, perfection only brings despair. It is our job to create things more wonderful than anything before them, but never to obtain perfection. A scientist must be a person who finds ecstasy while suffering from that antimony.”- Mayuri Kurosutchi the Mad Scientist. The concept of perfection is stifling and limiting we should never strive to be perfect, only to be better than what came before us.
A more intricate and complex machine such as the living being you will never see. The functions of cells, organs, DNA, it's language and instructions, impossible to even imagine how it could come about without guidance and intelligence, and yet the evolution protagonists would have you believe it could all happen given enough time, just by accident.
Perhaps an evolution believer thinks the infinite monkey and typewriter theory has a good chance of reality too.
A more intricate and complex machine such as the living being you will never see. The functions of cells, organs, DNA, it's language and instructions, impossible to even imagine how it could come about without guidance and intelligence, and yet the evolution protagonists would have you believe it could all happen given enough time, just by accident.
Perhaps an evolution believer thinks the infinite monkey and typewriter theory has a good chance of reality too.
A more intricate and complex machine such as the living being you will never see. The functions of cells, organs, DNA, it's language and instructions, impossible to even imagine how it could come about without guidance and intelligence, and yet the evolution protagonists would have you believe it could all happen given enough time, just by accident.
Perhaps an evolution believer thinks the infinite monkey and typewriter theory has a good chance of reality too.
Religions makes you rely one someone else which makes you weaker, science and reality make you rely on yoursellf,which makes you stronger
I’ve never believed in religion, I have always believed in god, just was never sure what it is. I’m thinking, the universe….
"Religion corrupts our morality". A truer sentence was never uttered; evil and misery visited on humankind, by primitive humankind.
Great ideas, great video. Thank you
I wish we had a better word for it than "spirituality".
The world will never starve for want of wonders; but only for want of wonder. -Chesterton
This video is only thought-provoking for the religious. For the rest it is affirmation of their thoughts.
I like to use the metaphor of an old lawn mower: I just couldn't start believing no matter how many times I pulled the chord. There's no comfort in something you just don't believe.
Very useful and in line with my spiritual journey. Thank you
Science, making this life better not worrying about a afterlife and living life to the fullest, all day everyday
As time goes on, this becomes truer and truer for me than ever before. Yet, I still find myself drawn towards Buddhism.
I truly appreciate your reply. @@shimrrashai-rc8fq
Just look at Israel.. religion creates nothing but indifferences between people
"The task of properly relating science to transcendental knowledge is a great and holy task"
Even the most fevered dreams of the inventors of religion could never come close to the reality of what we are - the children of a dying star, born from the womb of Earth's waters, genetically related to every living organism, and on a molecular level, physically related to everything else, to the Earth itself; and on the atomic level, related to everything else in the universe. Not just related, but as much "the universe" as everything else we see when we look up at the sky. We--you, me, the plants and animals, the rivers, lakes, and oceans, the planet itself--we are the universe happening.
Not a drop of woo-woo in there anywhere, _and_ you get to keep your money. lol
The best that Levantine mythology could come up with is: You are a lowly worm made of dirt and air, built to bow, worship, and serve a homicidal narcissist. Yeah... no thanks.
Look to deepest beauty of earth, gaze upon light of andromeda, or feel the warmth of color of dreams in dreams.
You’ll never know the wondrous things of yourself, until you find the courage, curiosity, and commitment to do so 🌅🌸✨
3:04 don’t know why I never thought about it like that… that’s scary
I left Christianity behind when I finally realized it is based on a Sumerian fable about a bare naked lady taking dietary advice from a chatty snake.
That's funny as hell... the other hell. lol
Ah, click bait strikes again. 👎
Tried to find what purpose and meaning to life science provides, and one fellow even said it doesn't provide any.
The only science of any relevance here is psychology. At its simplest level, it promotes health by ridding us of our phobias and developing self-confidence. Becoming good at something gives us at least "meaning". Sitting back and looking at a job well done can be both meaningful and provide a sense of purpose. But that's not related to science. Science puts little credence in experience, even though that's how we know most of what we know.
Does thinking one "knows" how old the universe is, give us either meaning or purpose? Does marveling at evolution and the vast variety of life, give us those two things? (Wonder can perhaps influence them.)
Should our lives even have meaning or purpose? The meaning of life is adaptability (part of the definition of "life" in the dictionary), the value of life is progressability. As for purpose? That's individual. Generally, we choose what the purpose is that we want our life to serve. And it doesn't come from science, although it might be about science.
Having friends who love us, and we love back, helps make our life worthwhile. Science will never be able to touch that.
(My Understanding) Even though I am a Hindu, I noticed that our more scientific and deeper teachings let us know that the entity we know as "God" is in reality more of a observer that watches us and doesn't really do anything. If anything rather than a creator I'd still say our world may be more than seemingly designed by a creator In one of our scriptures: The Yoga Vasistha , it states that for example: The many gods in Hinduism are actually made for whatever you call those with lower intellect to comprehend the universe with, examples include Lord Hanuman being a superhero who by chanting his prayer will remove all obstacles (Nothing actually happens) etc.
Its a huge problem of the lower intellect folks to not be able to understand the universe or even basic things for that matter
Luckily, the Hindu culture seemed to understand that more than meets the eye so I'm good. Your cultures have philosophers and Scientists like Darwin who debunked the "god" thing right, we Indians have our own scientists even from years back who understood.
So yeah, Science is more fulfilling and luckily our older culture understood that but Modern day Indians are less accepting.
It is interesting learning about scientific worldviews across the world
very thoughtful .... thumbs up
Excellent open conversation, it's time for those who want to wake up.
No modern science rejects teleology. It holds life as without natural purpose.
Why, would "believers" come on to a chat like this just to argue with atheists?
They're ego. If they can just convert 1 Atheist. lol -Ex-Christian
Spiritual ideas don’t comport with reality any more than religion. To live in harmony with your surroundings and with the people around you doesn’t come easy, it takes sacrifice. Altruism and compassion are not innate human qualities.
I find purpose in both science and religion, it’s not an either, or. Science teaches me facts, as scientists have learned, and my religion teaches me that I existed before birth and will after I die, and how to love and serve one another as science does not. I serve at my local homeless food center, regularly, along with many other religious groups but have never yet met an atheist or science group serving there.
But all of what you just mentioned doesn't require religion. It is good that you chose to make a net positive from religion but there are plenty that that cause tremendous harm based of their religious beliefs. I know you say that you don't see any Atheists volunteering in the places that you do, well that could be due to a number of factors. One is that if one or two are there they may just pretend so that they don't get that weird look that you get from christians when you tell them that you are not a believer or they could just avoid the places that church people volunteer and just volunteer elsewhere. I myself as an Agnostic Atheists don't do any volunteering but I'm always helping others in their time of need I'm always committing selfless acts of kindness, but my reason for not volunteering is due to not having the time to do so. Another point is that you may see less people like myself self volunteering because we know that there are a lot of you guys out there in the trenches holding it down and we greatly appreciate it. It is all for the betterment of our shared world!
You ALMOST made sense until the next to the last sentence.😮
@@kelvinhooks9399
It's pretty simple to understand with religion *life* has no value, NEVER let a theist denigrate you by saying "what is the value of life if you are an atheist" NEVER and we can reason VERYA easily that is the case with religious people since this life is *just a step to reach the afterlife*.
With religion life has no value.
@jumpjack7141 No.
@jumpjack7141 "the truth the Bible has the most evidence of about any history book" you made that statement out of your butt literally
@jumpjack7141 also "scientists are caught up in their feelings" that's what deadhead apologists would say, nothing but bullshit
@jumpjack7141 you have made no point sir. You are bullshitting
@jumpjack7141 tell me how old is the Earth sir?
Gawd is a human construct. Due to biology, we have a deep-seated need to believe. We’re still constructing gawds.
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) was founded in 1830.
- Jehovah's Witnesses was founded in the 1870s.
- Scientology was founded in 1954.
Is truth the measuring and stating of it or the reality experienced?
For a video titled science giving meaning
It mostly just says
Religion bad
Religion fairy tale
Science good
Unregulated free market??
Free markets don't need to be regulated by governments to be regulated.
Someone..."So, you guys have faith?"
Religiot..."Yes! Someone told me a story once, and I believed it instantly and go around telling other people while I live a normal life...and tell everyone all the time how much faith I have!"
Scientist..."No idea, now...if you'll excuse me, I need to go spend the next few decades in a lab or doing field work or in a freezing observatory in the middle of nowhere keeping a reverse sleep cycle on the off chance that I might run across a natural truth that may or may not exist"
Someone..."Uhhhh, who is claiming to be a person of faith again?"
Completely agree with the respect of the ritual and culture elements of religion. Community is another positive part. But for me I think I would be profoundly depressed if I thought I knew how the universe was created. Wonder and mystery are things that religion seems to destroy, and I wouldn’t give them up for anything
The world needs to wake up to it's long nightmare of relgious beliefs.
Its not religion thats the problem, its the people in power. People will do terrible things to have and keep power. Same goes for both science and religion.
Try as much as you want, science and religion in its true sense do not contradict each other. The mistake is choosing one over the other.
Why not both?
Science and religion are not necessarily antagonistic. They are separate methodologies with sometimes differing results. But most human beings find both methodologies useful in exploring their existence.
Being is. Conceptual dualism is a choice.
There is only ONE truth. And faith is not the way to get there.
@@18dot7 The truth is a person: Jesus the Messiah. Nobody comes to him except by the grace and power of the Father moving in their lives. Fortunately, he moves in every life, drawing people to his light and love. He offers the life eternal to all. This is a direct experiential reality, not just ideas.
Faith is not blindness. Everyone has it and uses it all the time. What matters is where we put it: self, other men and their inventions, or God our Father and his beloved Son the Lord Jesus.
@@stephenbailey9969"The truth is a person"
A person cannot be an abstract concept. Are you somewhat mentally challenged?
And the rest of your babble-what is that about? Your delusion? What would you think of someone from another religion spouting such nonsense? Would you suddenly believe in their twisted mythology? No? Then why do you think I would care about your imaginary friend? Hmm?
You are talking about magical beings as if they were a reality-which they are not. And no words will talk them into existence.
I don’t have a problem with weak minded people needing their religious fix. Just don’t punish the rest of us for your delusion.
They try to enact laws that mirror the bible because deep down inside a lot of them are just miserable and misery loves company 😀
We will never know peace until religion is gone!
Bullshit. What we need to do is destroy capitalism. Religion has caused NO harm at ALL.
REALITY will win out in the end, even if it is the RELIGIOUS that destroys us all. For religion was invented in the first place by the scoundrel.
The reason that this man believes the 9/11 story is why people believe in religion.
Religion ruins everything. That includes the concept of a god. 😶
There is no evidence for this.
Religion is promised happiness after death with no guarantees.
Hey guys. Wanna learn about the catholics?
Quick lessons
- burned people and books
-...
Yes, its the same as the [youtube does not like me]
If you want to believe in something unrealistic you have religion. I don't recommend doing that unless you want people to laugh at you all the time.
People are ridiculed all the time for their convictions. That says nothing about the legitimacy of them.
@@bookishbrendan8875 Do they ever learn anything from being ridiculed? NO! They have a built-in persecution "'get out of jail free card" in their silly religion. My book says I will get "persecution" therefore I'm right! No, you're a silly child who doesn't know any better Knock it off! Who cares?! Knock it off and Grow up and join reality! That is not something to be proud of!
@@shimrrashai-rc8fq Wow, My comment went way over your head. Not even close. Please read it again.
@@shimrrashai-rc8fq Do you care whether a so-called "belief" can defend itself in reality and facts? If no, That's the problem!
I never bought any of this crap from the beginning of my failed indoctrination
I'm a little confused by this video. If I'm a staunch scientist who finds meaning in study and discovery, why then would we ever call that SPIRITual? What do spirits have to do with any of that?
She blinded me…with science!
Without the scientific method, religion is nothing.
Love this video and totally agree. But it’s hilarious there are 666 likes. I couldn’t bring myself to break it 😂
Humanity has been lied too with religion, Ever seen a Christian walk on water as Peter did. Nope. Never happened.
3:50 Supernatural and Science don't mix
The fact that there is more than one sect of christianity is what tipped me off. Proved to me that "God" was lying when whatever anonymous author said hes not the author of confusion. FOH bro. Say you prove a deity exists. So what? Now you gotta prove christianity is the correct theism. Furthermore NOW you gotta prove that your specific denomination is the correct one. Proving if a god exists or not does nothing to help your case.