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Yeeeesssssssss finally now this is story of the Hobbit when Bilbo found the ring and his adventures and more and Bilbo is young that's why I love the hobbit IDC what everyone says Peter Jackson thank man he did exactly
The white haired old dwarf is Balin, son of Fundin. If you remember he was the "lord of Moria" in "the fellowship of the ring". The company found his grave inside the mines: "Here lies Balin, son of Fundin." And one of the dwarves accompanying Thorin is Gimli's father, Gloin. "Gimli son of Gloin."
Thx for that. I thought what they found in the mines had something to do with Durin. But that’s not right. I’m sure it’s a thing where when you know, you know. But for me, there are a lot of similar sounding dwarves.
1:20:54 “If the Baggins loses, we eats it whole” with the matter-of-fact head nod, followed by the exquisite timing of Bilbo’s pause and “Fair enough” -> the most PERFECT exchange in the whole trilogy. By far my favorite part 🤣
The dwarves clearing out Bilbo's pantry at the beginning of the movie is actually doing him a favor. They don't know how long he's going to be gone, or if he will even return, and by the time he did all of that food would have gone rotten. Better that it be eaten now rather than go to waste with a smell you'll never be able to wash out of your house.
Calling the Goblins Orcs for like 20 mins straight was driving me mental lol he's literally the "Goblin King" and the sword is called the "Goblin Cleaver" lol
The Hobbit movies are really nice. The best way to enjoy them is not to overanalyze, not to be overcritical, not to keep comparing with LOTR and just get immersed into the world and the story being portrayed. Cheers.
To be completely fair, it's quite hard to not compare them to LOTR, when this trilogy is pretty blatant about reminding you of the previous movies. All in all, I'd say Unexpected Journey is pretty solid. I am, however, a bit more critical of its two sequels.
The best way is to remember that the Hobbit movies are Bilbo telling a story, so stuff gets over embellished like the action or the random thrown in love story. It's not actually happening in real time. The same with the movie 300, none of the monsters and giant animals were really like how the movie showed them, it was the narrator hyping up the army.
@@DanV150 Not necessarily...it's entertainment, not a Film Class. Some things are just fun. That being said, these movies are decent, but a big step down from The Lord Of The Rings.
@@SilentBob731you have to think of them differently in terms of style, and that helps. The Hobbit was written differently than how he eventually wrote LOTR with the hobbit being more of children story and far less serious. I think PJ did a good job of showing that through imagery and feel between the two. Obviously it’s natural to compare them especially with them being from the same universe and being directed by the same person, but the Hobbit SHOULD feel different than the earlier trilogy.
Gollum is a Stoor, like a pre-Hobbit. There were 3 types of Hobbits: Stoors, Harfoots and Fallohides. By the time of Lord of the Rings, they have merged and they are just called Hobbits.
Paritally correct. They are not entirly hamogenous Hobbits/Halflings is a broad collective on the species but they still have their own cultures and traits, much like the men are divided into Gondorian, Dúnedain, Rohirrim etc. There are like 10 denominations of elves if not more depending on how you count them. For hobbits the 3 main ones are Harfoots and Fallowhides and Stoors, Bilbo is a Fallowhide, as is Mary, Pipin and Frodo, but Samwise is of the Harfoots. The Harfoots are most numerous so most of the hobbits seen around the shire may be considered this type, Stoors are still about but are mostly omitted from the movies, Smegol specifically is part of a small minority that turned back and settled in the east past the Mountians. In and around the shire they tend to live around Buckland and Bree, still being river golk they settled along the Brandywine and are the reason there's a hobbit peep hole in the door at the gates of Bree, considering most other hobbits are not in the convention of traveling even that far. The Fallowhides are so called for their paler completion they tend to be taller then other hobbits by about half a foot, as well as being more adventurous and defter being descendents of hunters but there are few of them having intermixed with the more numerous Harfoots.
*“And I thought to myself then, there is one I could follow. There is one, I could call king”* That line followed by all of the dwarves standing all at once out of respect, will never fail to give me chills.
6:30 Dragons hoarding gold is one of the oldest myths in literature, dating back to Beowulf and Norse legends like Fáfnir. Tolkien popularized the idea for modern audiences with Smaug in The Hobbit.
I still wish Tolkien would've adapted the story of Fafnir and him being a dwarf turned into a dragon, and connected it to Smaug. Or maybe that the curse of Fafnir spread amongst dwarven kind, making them all susceptible to turning into a dragon if their sickness goes unchecked for too long.
Dragons guarding treasure actually goes all the way back to the ancient Greeks. They called dragons, drakones. The word meant "watcher" because they were used as guardians, to watch over valuable treasures. The Greek dragons were more like enormous snakes/serpents without wings.
Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond were the members of the White Council formed to prevent the return of Sauron early in the Third Age after the Wizards first came to Middle Earth. Galadriel always had a certain level of distrust of Saruman and wanted Gandalf to lead the council, but Gandalf refused and Saruman became the leader. This is reflected somewhat in the scene in the movie where Saruman is in charge of the meeting but Galadriel is on Gandalf's side.
In extended version of the movie, there is extended scene of the White Council meeting there is even more information on why Gandalf wanted to investigate the Necromancer aka Sauron and the blade of Nazgul King that was shown to the Council. Gandalf also incquired into the remaing rings of power that dwarf kings had, like where they are now, how many dwarf rings remained still.
@@garywillig5143 the white council actually didn’t form early in the third age. It was formed in 2463 of the third age. The wizards arrived around 1050 TA with some coming later. Another cool thing is this was not the first time Gandalf refused to lead. Before he was even sent he was asked by the Valar to lead the Istari to combat against Sauron but he refused both saying he feared Sauron. The valar then said that’s exactly why he needed to go. Saurman already resented Gandalf for his natural leadership and the trust others had in him before they even arrived. Then when Gandalf arrived at the Gray Havens Cirdan the Shipwright gave him one of the three eleven rings seeing in him how true he was and knowing it would help Gandalf in his journeys. This also really pissed Saruman off haha and definitely added to his resentment for what he saw as an inferior and his eventual obsession with the rings of power.
@@seangriffin5524yes ppl make the mistake of believing Saruman is evil at this point but he’s not. He’s just a pretentious ah who simply wanted to discredit Gandalf & his findings lol
@@Taewills yup. Gandalf really is the only one we know for sure that did his part in the original goal set by the Valar. Radagast didn’t do anything wrong, he just got distracted with the wild life. The blue wizards we going really know enough about. I know Tolkien said they may have helped in Rhun and Harad in some way but we really don’t know. And obviously we know what happened with Saruman haha.
@@Taewills I do LOVE the insight we get into his character here and it shows exactly why he will fall in the future. He believes in great power being necessary to combat evil. Eventually that desire for power will corrupt him.
47:32 Remember in The Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo tells a group of Hobbit children a story about being captured by trolls who were then turned into stone. This is what he was talking about.
also that's exactly where the first crew (Aragorn and the Hobbits) stopped to look for kingsfoil to cure Frodo after getting stabbed and them meeting Arwen
@@GRR1MN1R Ya with Frodo's slipping into the shadow taking your attention it's a line that can almost be missed when Sam says look Frodo, Mr. Bilbo's trolls.
@@ronweber1402From what I’ve seen in these reactions videos they have been reacting to the theatrical versions of the MiddleEarth movies. That line from Sam about seeing the trolls is from the extended version of Fellowship.
Peter Jackson was originally supposed to film these movies months earlier but he told the studio to wait until they could get Martin Freeman. He knew in his heart Martin was the perfect choice for Bilbo, and he was right.
Freeman was hired when Guillermo Del Toro was directing, He was the first and only choice throughout the entire difficult development. In essence Freeman had to wait for THEM.
@@RolandDeschain1 both can be true. Freeman wouldve been on board for Del Toro but then when he left the movie got delayed and hed have had other obligations. Meaning the studio possibly wanting to recast him. Which wouldve led Jackson who was impressed with Freeman to delay his own filming to make sure Freeman was free.
The beginning scene is lotr fellowship beginning. When frodo is leaving to meet Gandalf in this movie, that's when you see him in fellowship first ride the cart back to hobbiton with him. This is right before bilbos birthday party in fellowship.
Dragons coveting gold comes from Norse mythology, where the dragon Fafnir accumulates an enormous hoard of treasure just to have it. He doesn't use it, he just wants to have the treasure. Tolkein was an expert on Norse and other Germanic mythologies as well as a writer, and he drew heavily upon those ancient stories in his fiction
My understanding is that Tolkien drew from many sources of mythologies, and tried to weave them together. The Rohirrim were based on an ancient tribe of horsemen in England. And then you have Aragorn's line (men of Numenor) which was basically Atlantis. Although I personally wonder if maybe he was alluding to Doggerland which was first discovered in 1931. It has been reasoned that Orthanc was derived from the Eiffel tower, and Paris in general. A tower located in a basin valley, surrounded by mountains and a dammed river to the north. It's possible he got the name Aragorn from the commune community Aragon in northeast Spain, which coexists with the medieval kingdom of the same name and place.
@ The Rohirrim are a blend of Anglo-Saxon and Visigoth. They’re basically Tolkien’s wishful fantasy of an Anglo-Saxon culture that adopted mounted warfare and could resist the Normans
@@Matt-cz6ti There is that too. Some speculate that was Tolkien's inspiration. I was referring to an older tribe that came before the Romans, about 4500 years ago.
I really don't get how the opening scene can be confusing. It's takes place just before Bilbo's 111th birthday party by Frodo adding the sign to the gate "No admittance , except on party business" and then running to meet Gandalf (as we then see in Fellowship Of The Ring).
Giant spiders are related to Shelob, they are all spawns of Ungoliant, an ancient evil spirit who took the form of a giant spider. Ungoliant was in league with Melkor, the "boss" of Sauron.
There's a bit of debate over why Shelob had a 'stinger', which spiders don't possess, although the orcs do refer to her 'stinger'. Spiders of course, inject poison with their mouths. It's possible that Tolkien wasn't aware of this but PJ and crew must have been and it doesn't specifically say she stung Frodo from her abdomen. Since he's 'stung' on the neck, she probably bit him with her mouth, like a spider would.
There's actually a Hobbiton in New Zealand. After they tore down the Shire set, they built more permanent structures. You can go inside Bag-End and eat Shire food.
You can’t go in Bag End. Perhaps originally, but not for years. There’s another hobbit hole they’ve recently opened that you can go in though, which I’m sad wasn’t there when I went in 2017!
the hobbit feet weren't CGI like you were thinking.. they were made of foam latex or silicone, glued onto shoes to keep them from flopping around and then airbrushed. they made hundreds of them. each used once.
@MethosFilms thank you. I've said for years that the Hobbit is a children's book enjoyed by adults and LOTR is an adult book enjoyed by children. Basic but essentially true.
@TheTheoreticalMutant you spend your days watching this channel. All of your recent comments / watch history is this channel. You don't leave your house either, stop being a douche
It’s my personal opinion but I suspect Tolkien was the same. He feels like the kind of person who leaves his home only when he is forced to. Like getting drafted into World War I.
In the books there is so much more about how Gollum and Bilbo both changed their stories to make the ring more legitimately theirs. Gollum was claiming his grandmother gave it to him as a birthday gift for awhile when Gandalf had him for questioning. Bilbo took a long time to tell even Frodo and Gandalf the truth that he found it and didn't win the ring in the riddle game. Frodo and Gandalf finding this even minor departure from the truth by Bilbo very odd and one of the clues leading up to determining that this was the One Ring in the early chapters of the Fellowship.
And the chapter with Gollum and Bilbo, 'Riddles in the Dark', was changed after Lord of the Rings came out, because in the first edition, Gollum bets the ring as the prize in the game, is rather nice and shows Bilbo the way out. After LotR was written and the ring took on a much more sinister role, especially the way it affects Gollum, that didn't make any sense so it was altered to it's present form.
@@kevthepoet Well, it's kinda hard to get the original now, in the revised edition (the one we've all read), Gollum is a sneaky, nasty little fellow, doesn't bet the ring and has no intention of helping Bilbo out. Fits much better with his LotR version and is now the official version.
Completely random but the reason you don’t hear much of the Dwarven language (Khuzdul) is because the dwarves are incredibly secretive and only speak it amongst themselves. Gimli doesn’t speak it because very few outside of dwarves themselves understand it.
I love how all of Roxy’s concern for Bilbo when the dwarves show up are super practical 😂 They’re eating all his food or they’re making a mess in his house, etc 😆❤️
1:18:45 I think they already established the fact that the ring has its own mind , when it first abandoned Isildur he didnot notice it untill it was completely off his hand and he became visible and in the first movie its also stated that the ring abandoned Gollum on its own but it didnot want a Hobbit to pick it up
To be fair, I think if you're not already knowledgeable of the story, or you haven't seen the films 3 times, there is a LOT you can "kind of get" but maybe not get all the intricacies.
One thing to try to remember, Tolkien is the father to the modern day fantasy genre. The Hobbit was the first book written so the exposition was needed because it hasn’t been done before.
Gods of Pegana by Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron Dunsany, was a fantasy novel series predating Hobbit & LotR by over 30 years, but was nowhere near as popular.
I know this series didn't live up to the hype, and not a lot of people love it, but i love it for a different reason. It was the last fantsay movie series that i watched with my grandfather before he passed away. He was a big fantasy lover and he introduced me to this world through lord of the rings and we saw these movies in theaters
Well. Maybe. It IS frustrating when they are like, “I didn’t know the ring would be back!” Just because you then have to wonder if they’re on the same page with what we’re watching, when it happens. But I’m enjoying them discovering this stuff. There was a day when the books hadn’t been read and there were no LotR films and it was hard for everyone!!
I get that, but just like when many read the books or watched the movies for the first time, the girls are discovering and analyzing as they see things throughout the series
I get what you mean, like I can't be too hard on them because they only seen the Lord of the rings once and it's a lot of information. But they're asking very obvious questions it makes me even wonder if they've even watched The Lord of the rings trilogy. For instance, the party at the beginning is very clearly Bilbo's birthday party, that sword that Bilbo gets is obviously the sword that he gives to frodo, and the enemy that they're talking about is obviously Sauron. It just makes me wonder if they're even paying attention to what they're watching.
@@The..Boulder Not to be too hard on the ladies, but from what I watched of their reaction to LOTR they spent more time thirsting over Aragorn and yapping (Constantly trying to predict what'd happen next, who was going to hook up with who, hating on Theoden, etc.) than they did actually paying attention.
I remember watching the movie, not knowing that there were gonna be three movies, and I thought, that’s it?! 😂 And then the same after the second movie.
What an incredibly intuitive guess. Although it is never directly mentioned in all three Hobbit movies, the Necromancer is indeed Sauron beginning to regain his power. After the White Council (Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel, etc...) drive him from Dol Guldur, he returns to Mordor.
1:18:35 - *He did not feel it because the Ring did not want Gollum to feel it missing. Galadriel's narration at start of first movie said it all: "[The Ring] ABANDONED Gollum!" And Gandalf later confirmed that "[The Ring] WANTED to be found!" It had spent CENTURIES with Gollum in the dark, going nowhere because Gollum withdrew from the world and never encountered anyone but Goblins which he killed for food. So the ring waited until finally someone showed up and when it felt Bilbo around it and took the only opportunity it had to escape Gollum.*
Ian Holm nearly didn't appear in this film (nor his cameo in the third film). When Peter Jackson met with Holm, he revealed that he was dealing with Parkinson's Disease and had overall retired. Jackson arranged a set of BagEnd to be set up in England and shortened Holm's work time to less than a week. Holm agreed to return and THE HOBBIT would be his final film appearance
Its actually sad, because we now know due to interviews with his family around Alien Romulus that Holms wouldve loved to appear in more movies in his final years but he felt Hollywood sorta abandoned him after the Lord of the Rings.
@@Darkgod777 in terms of how many pages he appears on, yes very small. But in terms of his role, HUGE. If not for Radagast Gandalf may never have escaped being captured by Saruman. It was he who had sent the eagle to deliver a message to Gandalf.
The cousin of Gimli, whose grave they found in Moria, was Balin, the second dwarf to arrive with Bilbo. The dead Dwarf, leaning against the side of the grave and shouting the chronicle Gandalf was reading from, was Orin. The movie started with the beginning of The Lord of the Rings and then went back 60 years.
@@matthiasschlee3402why you gotta be so hateful if you don’t care for their reaction don’t watch not everyone is gonna remember every detail of these long ass movies
@@pricewright8030 Hateful? Thats the problem with snowflakes like you. Every critic which is not coated with sugar is hateful to you. If you can not stand it because of your mental weakness go and get some help. I can have an opinion and I am sick and tiered of spoiled little princesses or princlings like you are, telling me what to watch and say. And if you have a problem with this go and find a solution. I am not responsible for your problems at all!!!!
@@pricewright8030 And by the way I did not watch this reaction and I never will. There are way better and more intelligent reactions than the ones by these two. By far!!!!
Fans like to blame director Peter Jackson for the Hobbit films being too bloated and slow moving, but it really isn't his fault. He originally only wanted to make a single Hobbit film but Warner Bros forced him to film it as a trilogy in order to have more movies to cash in on. When he told them there wasn't enough of Tolkien's source material for a trilogy, they told him to make the additional material himself to fill out three films
@@alejandrotuazon4831 You're right, he could've. But after he realized the studio was going to shoot a trilogy no matter what, Jackson believed he was probably the only director in Hollywood who could curb the studio execs's worst impulses whenever they needed to be reined in that they'd listen to in order to limit the damage since he brought them so much success in the earlier trilogy. In hindsight, he was correct. Just look at the god awful Amazon series 'Rings of Power' for evidence
@@alejandrotuazon4831 He isn't. Everyone blames Peter Jackson. All I'm saying is this was always going to be a failure no matter what the moment the studio mandated a trilogy for the Hobbit. There was no director in the entire world capable of filling out 3 whole films based on the scant amount of source material they'd be pulling from in order for this to be a success, and that given these conditions, I don't blame Jackson for choosing to go down with the ship because he believed another director would probably blast plot holes in his earlier films when they started stuffing their own story ideas into it to justify 3 movies It was always going to fail. That much was unavoidable. The best Jackson could hope for was not having the integrity of his LOTR trilogy undermined in the process. Jackson could either make 1 good trilogy & 1 bad trilogy. Or he could allow a new director to come in, and see their contributions potentially undermine everything to result in 2 bad trilogies.
In the continuity of Tolkien's legendarium, Aragorn would have been in Rivendell at the same time as Thorin's Company and Bilbo, though as a 10 year-old boy called 'Estel' (Elvish for 'Hope'). Because of how much Peter Jackson altered the timeline, Aragorn is in his mid-20s at the time of the 'Hobbit' films. Oh, and Sebastian was a hedgehog, not a porcupine.
The party that they mention is the party being thrown at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring for Bilbo's 111th Birthday. In Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo mentioned that he wanted to find some place quiet where he could finish his book. That book is "The Hobbit" which tells the story of Smaug and the finding of the Ring.
Smeagol was one of the Stoor. They're sort of like hobbits, but they live near streams and rivers and live off of fish and berries that grow near shores. Hobbits in the shire live among more greenery. Think of them as cousins, river-halflings vs forest halflings.
@StardustandMadness it's fine to adore certain parts, but the entire Goblin chase scene for example is everything wrong with these movies, one convenient thing after another, unrealistic survivability rates compared to what we see in LotR where a horse chase could end a life, and rushed cgi due to PJ replacing Del Toro.
Balin and Ori were both in Moria (deceased). Ori wrote the book that Gandalf read from. Dori tends to mother Ori (who had a slingshot). One dwarf who likes to sing, one who likes to steal, one who has an axe imbedded in his head, Dwalin who was the first to arrive at Bag End. Gloin, who is Gimli's father. Fili (Thorin's heir) and Kili were good looking. In fact Tolkien and Jackson do a better job with 13 dwarves than Disney did with 7.
It helps to remember that The Hobbit is a children's book, and Bilbo was little more than a cartoon character when we start out. He's a stuffy little over-protected character who is suddenly faced with a dwarf infestation. The ensuing chaos made for fun reading for kids. Gandalf you must remember had the reputation of a meddler even in Lord of the Rings. In the Hobbit, we see how he earned that reputation.
Aside from just the fun and chaos, the “Smash The Plates!” scene/song is meant to show the dwarves’ natural skills and culture enduring through their exile. Being natural smiths and craftsmen, it’s often said that “if you hand a dwarf your knife, it will be handed back sharper.” What might seem like careless mishandling to an outsider might actually be a team of skilled dwarves expertly cleaning, polishing, and sharpening whatever pottery, cutlery, weaponry, stone, or steel they put their hands to.
“Riddles in the Dark,” where bilbo and Gollum spar with riddles, was my favorite part of the original book besides another Bilbo conversation in the next movie.
the second one is my favorite as you find Smaug is the best character in the hobbit and that makes me love the second one best. Smaug is also an S+ tire dragon that all fictional dragons should aspire to be
Remember, the Ring extended Gollum's life. He had it for like 500 years before Bilbo came along. So of course he doesn't look any younger here. He's already lived under that mountain for centuries, what's 60 years more or less at that point?
The way I always looked at them & this is just my opinion is the LOTR is an adult experience that children may enjoy & Hobbit trilogy is a children's experience that adults may enjoy. Cause I enjoy all the books & movies, but for completely different reasons.❤️💞❤️
@@jenloveshorroroh definitely and I think that’s what makes The Hobbit stand out differently than LOTR cuz it shouldn’t try to be that. It’s just its own fun story with Wizards, Dwarves, Elf’s, Orcs, Hobbits and DRAGONS
Goblin are usually called Orcs from what I’ve read in the books which confused me the first time I read the prologue of the fellowship of the ring because it says Bilbo and the Dwarves escape from the Orcs in the misty mountains
I’m a bit confused by some of the commentary in this reaction. Does Roxy not know this is Bilbo’s story as a younger Hobbit? Because she asked if this takes place after the Lord of the Ring films despite Bilbo looking younger (thanks to CGI). Do they not remember that the Fellowship of the Ring began with a party? I’m a bit confused here. There is between a 12 to 10 year gap between the Lord of the Ring films and The Hobbit movies. And I never followed the lore but I gotta say, even I understood watching the first Hobbit movie that the story is before Frodo’s story I’m also wondering if there is a point with these reaction channels where people are trying to focus too much on analyzing that it takes away from the overall experience. I’m just saying-their comments are confusing.
I 100% agree with the over analyzing, no one does that when they watch a movie in the theaters so I don't understand why some reactors choose to, I get that they have to talk because they are reacting but still. You don't need to speculate about things that will obviously be explained later in the movie, it's a movie... Not a tv show.
they're talking/asking about if the first scene (Bilbo and Frodo reading the story) was before or after the Lord of the Rings. it's not hard to comprehend what they're asking. and the answer to their question is i think it was before the first movje starts.
Happy Holidays! In my opinion the next film Desolation of Smaug is the best of the LOTR franchise. It was one of the most incredible theatrical experiences I've ever had. The sound quality the effects... I enjoy this movie but Smaug is such an awesome character. Keep smiling, be safe, and keep the reactions rolling.
One of the biggest reasons that Bilbo was able to resist the evil influence of the ring for so long was due to how he began his ownership of it with an act of mercy by sparing Gollum.
Jesus Christ both where so lost watching this movie lol and Roxy with her “the stakes are high but we know he lives”, was annoying every time she brought it up, we know home girl just watch it lol
To be fait, a lot of the extra material not in the Hobbit book originated in the LOTR appendices and the Silmarillion and was fleshed out for this film. All 3 writers loved Tolkien's work.
The part where Bilbo talked about Lobelia Sackville-Baggins trying to steal the silverware, that was while they were preparing for the birthday party at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring.
Yes exactly it’s the day of bilbos party in the fellowship the same night bilbo disappeares and gives Gandolf the the ring who then gives it to Frodo before they know what the ring is.
The actor who plays the dwarf 'Bofur' is James Nesbitt, who gave one of the greatest performances I have ever seen in Paul Greengrass's phenomenal BLOODY SUNDAY. That movie is an absolute gut-punch, and Nesbitt is staggeringly good in it. I put it in the top five greatest film performances I have ever seen.
Just as a nice to know fact: the ones in Lord of the Rings where Fellbeasts and Smaug is an actual dragon - the last one in Middle Earth and the smallest from the bigger Dragons that ever existed, compared to the biggest one Smaug is Not even 1% of it’s size… Just a small sidefact regarding the Lore… Edit: Minute 10:00 you are asking when this Part is Happening…. It’s exactly Happening when Lord of the Rings Starts… Edit 2: about Minute 38:30 you guys say „it’s the Spider“ and every reactor gets it wrong (i get why, so on problem) but just to let you guys know: no thats Not the same Kind of Spider Sam fought, the Spider Sam fought would kill all of those Spiders at once, Shelob is many times stronger than those Spiders here in the Hobbit movies - those are just lesser relatives that a way weaker, smaller and Not as intelligent as Shelob
I believe hes referred to as like the last of the great fire drakes or something similar so there could still be cold drakes which don't breathe fire out there
One of the best theories I heard was that dragons love gold because it's a soft metal, so they'll collect a hoard to have a soft bed to rest on that can't catch fire from their constant heat.
The beginning of this hammers you pretty hard to make clear it starts the very same day that the LOTR movies start - they’re preparing for Bilbo’s 111th birthday party. They talk of party invitations, the “No admittance” sign … Frodo heading off to the woods with a book - don’t you remember how Fellowship started? 🤷🏼♂️ They even joke that Gandalf will be late (“A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins …”)
This seems gate-keepy AF. Theyve watched 2 other LotR movies since then. Been introduced to dozens of other characters and creatures. Plus other movies and shows. Not everyone is a lore Fanatic that remembers every single detail of one of the most expensive universes in cinema and literature. And that's fine and great.
@@BallisticTech The other side of that coin, though, is that they have a dream job and don't pay a lick of fuckin' attention. Hell, they kept talking about orcs all the way through the goblin section, despite an ENTIRE SONG about goblin town, and goblin this, goblin that. Just pay a little ATTENTION.
@kayshinae9023 bahahahahahaha they don't pay a lick of attention. This would have to come from someone that didn't pay a lick of attention to this video. Get out of here with that.
The winged creatures that the nazgul ride in the LOTR trilogy are not dragons. In the books they are called "fell beasts" and are more described as featherless, foul smelling birds.
The reasoning behind the confusion on whether Bilbo stole the Ring from Gollum was because in the first edition of The Hobbit book Gollum willingly gave the ring as a price after winning the game. But when Tolkien was finishing LOTR he wrote another version that sets up closer to the trilogy, but due to miscommunication with his publishers it ended up being in the 2nd edition of the book without his knowledge. This led Tolkien to make Bilbo a dishonest person in the LOTD to basically make it work.
Do you realize how OP Gandalf is. Gandalf’s sole purpose is to guide the mortals of middle earth to stop Sauron. Which means his foresight is so great because he sees that it is Bilbo who acquires the ring and his descendant is the one to destroy it. To keep golem alive to fulfil one last task, and allowing the other hobbits to fulfil other parts of prophecy. Damn!!!!
The part I love about the opening here is how they never actually show Smaug in his entirety in this movie. It's only a glimpse of wing here, a tail there, or a claw shoving through the door...
It's cracy that Bilbo meets Gloin and Frodo meet Gimli the son of Gloin. Remember Aragon said: "I,m Aragon, Arathon's son. That is Gimli, Gloin's son and Legolas from the Forrest Kingdom (the Kingdom of the Elfking Thranduil) to Eomer where he meet him and the Rohirrim at the first time in the movie Two Towers.
I remember I tried for years to get my mom to watch the LOTR films first but she didn’t like fantasy films, so as my Christmas present I convinced her to go with me to see this movie in IMAX 3D and she LOVED it.
The beginning of this movie is basically at the same time as the beginning of the fellowship. It’s right before Gandalf shows up for Bilbo’s 111th birthday party.
That's kind of what movie reaction channels are, though. If you want to watch the movie interrupted, go rent the movie. Meanwhile, you're getting something for free here, so complaining isn't a great look.
In the UK, “Shark Tank” is called “Dragons Den,” and business magnates are often called Dragons and not Sharks like they are here in the USA. It’s a really old story about the dragons and gold.
Galadriel is one of the oldest people in Middle Earth and was born in Valinor during the Time of Bliss. J. R. R. Tolkien writes about Galadriel's age: "Galadriel is as old as Shelob, or even older. She is the last of the Great Ones remaining among the High Elves, and she "awake" in Eldamar beyond the sea long before Ungoliante came to Middle Earth and brought forth her brood there..." She was the daughter of Finarfin and sister of Finrod, the last Noldor lord in Middle Earth. Her name Galadriel means: Maiden crowned with shining hair (Quenya: Altáriël Light-crowned Maiden). Her hair was golden like her father's hair and like that of Indis. The Eldar said that the light of the Two Trees was caught in her hair. Even Feanor marveled and admired it so much that he asked her three times for a lock of hair, which she refused. At the beginning of the Second Age, Galadriel was the only one of the leaders of the Noldor rebellion to survive the wars of Beleriand, so that in the end she was the last to fall under the spell that forbade her from returning to Aman. Galadriel realized that Sauron was seized by the evil power of Melkor as his servant and that there was an evil force further east. So Galadriel and Celeborn went east and founded the first Noldor kingdom of Eregion. As mistress of Lothlórien, Galadriel was also the keeper of the mirror. In the Third Age, she was considered the most powerful elf, as she was the Ringbearer and the co-founder of the White Council. Through the founding of the White Council, their ongoing fight against evil, and their rejection of the One Ring from Frodo, the Valar lifted the ban against them at the end of the Third Age. Galadriel's millennia-old desire was fulfilled in the year 3021 T.A., when she went on the last voyage of the Ringbearers from the Grey Havens to Valinor together with Gandalf, Elrond, Frodo and Bilbo, while Celeborn remained in Middle Earth for a few more years.
Celaborn was Galadriel’s husband? He was the bad guy from Equalizer who only had a line or 2 when the Fellowship sought refuge in Lothlorien after Gandalf “fell”, correct?
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Yeeeesssssssss finally now this is story of the Hobbit when Bilbo found the ring and his adventures and more and Bilbo is young that's why I love the hobbit IDC what everyone says Peter Jackson thank man he did exactly
I hope Roxy and Tara watch the extended versions of Lord of the Rings!
Have any Rejects watched the animated movies from the late 1970s/early 1980s?
@Reefism real talk it's really the only way to watch them it's so much extra scenes to me that serve a much needed purpose
The white haired old dwarf is Balin, son of Fundin. If you remember he was the "lord of Moria" in "the fellowship of the ring". The company found his grave inside the mines: "Here lies Balin, son of Fundin." And one of the dwarves accompanying Thorin is Gimli's father, Gloin. "Gimli son of Gloin."
And ori was the skeleton with the journal in Moria besides the tomb of Balin.
Gimli´s father is there as well, he is at Elrond´s council in the fellowship of the ring.
U really think they know or care esp when they are deciding if it's after or before the movies after seeing the party sign 😂
Thx for that. I thought what they found in the mines had something to do with Durin. But that’s not right. I’m sure it’s a thing where when you know, you know. But for me, there are a lot of similar sounding dwarves.
Ain't no way they gonna remember that. They could barely keep the main characters' names straight
"Thrunduil turned around."
"I don't blame him, honestly."
Theoden would like a word XD
This movie and Felloship start exactly the same day: on Bilbo's birthday.
They forgot what they literally just watched. 😂
Please spell Fellowship correctly.
@@salvadormartinez8577 I HAVE AN ACCENT!
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@@Tyler_Pifer92 They crack me up!
@ I know. I love it. Just wish the assholes would go away.
1:20:54 “If the Baggins loses, we eats it whole” with the matter-of-fact head nod, followed by the exquisite timing of Bilbo’s pause and “Fair enough” -> the most PERFECT exchange in the whole trilogy. By far my favorite part 🤣
The dwarves clearing out Bilbo's pantry at the beginning of the movie is actually doing him a favor. They don't know how long he's going to be gone, or if he will even return, and by the time he did all of that food would have gone rotten. Better that it be eaten now rather than go to waste with a smell you'll never be able to wash out of your house.
That's... Actually a really good point. I love this movie and have watched it numerous times, and not once did that notion cross my mind. 🤣
True, but I doubt they even thought of that. They were just like, ooh food lol
That’s a sound take i’ve never even thought about. Thx for that bit of clear thinking bro. Making me appreciate the dwarves even more.
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A likely story... exactly what a hungry dwarf would say... 😛
Calling the Goblins Orcs for like 20 mins straight was driving me mental lol he's literally the "Goblin King" and the sword is called the "Goblin Cleaver" lol
It's okay. They are the same thing, just different languages.
@@toddjackson3136 goblins are not orcs
@ianarnett Tolkien disagrees. And since he wrote them, I'll take his word for it.
@@ianarnett they are literally the same thing, just use google lmao
you were mad they did what tolkien did ? tolkien used them interchangeable
The Hobbit movies are really nice. The best way to enjoy them is not to overanalyze, not to be overcritical, not to keep comparing with LOTR and just get immersed into the world and the story being portrayed.
Cheers.
To be completely fair, it's quite hard to not compare them to LOTR, when this trilogy is pretty blatant about reminding you of the previous movies.
All in all, I'd say Unexpected Journey is pretty solid. I am, however, a bit more critical of its two sequels.
The best way is to remember that the Hobbit movies are Bilbo telling a story, so stuff gets over embellished like the action or the random thrown in love story. It's not actually happening in real time. The same with the movie 300, none of the monsters and giant animals were really like how the movie showed them, it was the narrator hyping up the army.
Saying not to over analyze and be overly critical is a terrible way to watch anything honestly. Like it’s very close to saying to turn your brain off.
@@DanV150 Not necessarily...it's entertainment, not a Film Class. Some things are just fun. That being said, these movies are decent, but a big step down from The Lord Of The Rings.
@@SilentBob731you have to think of them differently in terms of style, and that helps. The Hobbit was written differently than how he eventually wrote LOTR with the hobbit being more of children story and far less serious. I think PJ did a good job of showing that through imagery and feel between the two. Obviously it’s natural to compare them especially with them being from the same universe and being directed by the same person, but the Hobbit SHOULD feel different than the earlier trilogy.
Gollum is a Stoor, like a pre-Hobbit. There were 3 types of Hobbits: Stoors, Harfoots and Fallohides. By the time of Lord of the Rings, they have merged and they are just called Hobbits.
River folk
That's actually...a really interesting tidbit of info. I didn't know that. Nice!
Tolkien you genius
Paritally correct. They are not entirly hamogenous Hobbits/Halflings is a broad collective on the species but they still have their own cultures and traits, much like the men are divided into Gondorian, Dúnedain, Rohirrim etc. There are like 10 denominations of elves if not more depending on how you count them. For hobbits the 3 main ones are Harfoots and Fallowhides and Stoors, Bilbo is a Fallowhide, as is Mary, Pipin and Frodo, but Samwise is of the Harfoots. The Harfoots are most numerous so most of the hobbits seen around the shire may be considered this type, Stoors are still about but are mostly omitted from the movies, Smegol specifically is part of a small minority that turned back and settled in the east past the Mountians. In and around the shire they tend to live around Buckland and Bree, still being river golk they settled along the Brandywine and are the reason there's a hobbit peep hole in the door at the gates of Bree, considering most other hobbits are not in the convention of traveling even that far. The Fallowhides are so called for their paler completion they tend to be taller then other hobbits by about half a foot, as well as being more adventurous and defter being descendents of hunters but there are few of them having intermixed with the more numerous Harfoots.
The hobbits of the Shire are descendants of the Harfoots.
"Are you related to Legolas?" made me CACKLE
absolutely crying😂
@@motivationmike4722Facepalming on my end
*“And I thought to myself then, there is one I could follow. There is one, I could call king”* That line followed by all of the dwarves standing all at once out of respect, will never fail to give me chills.
6:30 Dragons hoarding gold is one of the oldest myths in literature, dating back to Beowulf and Norse legends like Fáfnir. Tolkien popularized the idea for modern audiences with Smaug in The Hobbit.
NORSE literature. But I am pretty sure other cultures in the other parts of the world who have dragons, their dragons don't hoard gold.
If you came home with sacks of riches, of course you’d regale the townsfolk w/ your triumph over a sinister beast hoarding the gold
@@damiettamataram3492so? OP’s comments are about European literature/mythology.
Why do you keep repeating yourself in the comments?
I still wish Tolkien would've adapted the story of Fafnir and him being a dwarf turned into a dragon, and connected it to Smaug.
Or maybe that the curse of Fafnir spread amongst dwarven kind, making them all susceptible to turning into a dragon if their sickness goes unchecked for too long.
Dragons guarding treasure actually goes all the way back to the ancient Greeks. They called dragons, drakones. The word meant "watcher" because they were used as guardians, to watch over valuable treasures. The Greek dragons were more like enormous snakes/serpents without wings.
Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond were the members of the White Council formed to prevent the return of Sauron early in the Third Age after the Wizards first came to Middle Earth. Galadriel always had a certain level of distrust of Saruman and wanted Gandalf to lead the council, but Gandalf refused and Saruman became the leader. This is reflected somewhat in the scene in the movie where Saruman is in charge of the meeting but Galadriel is on Gandalf's side.
In extended version of the movie, there is extended scene of the White Council meeting there is even more information on why Gandalf wanted to investigate the Necromancer aka Sauron and the blade of Nazgul King that was shown to the Council. Gandalf also incquired into the remaing rings of power that dwarf kings had, like where they are now, how many dwarf rings remained still.
@@garywillig5143 the white council actually didn’t form early in the third age. It was formed in 2463 of the third age. The wizards arrived around 1050 TA with some coming later. Another cool thing is this was not the first time Gandalf refused to lead. Before he was even sent he was asked by the Valar to lead the Istari to combat against Sauron but he refused both saying he feared Sauron. The valar then said that’s exactly why he needed to go. Saurman already resented Gandalf for his natural leadership and the trust others had in him before they even arrived. Then when Gandalf arrived at the Gray Havens Cirdan the Shipwright gave him one of the three eleven rings seeing in him how true he was and knowing it would help Gandalf in his journeys. This also really pissed Saruman off haha and definitely added to his resentment for what he saw as an inferior and his eventual obsession with the rings of power.
@@seangriffin5524yes ppl make the mistake of believing Saruman is evil at this point but he’s not. He’s just a pretentious ah who simply wanted to discredit Gandalf & his findings lol
@@Taewills yup. Gandalf really is the only one we know for sure that did his part in the original goal set by the Valar. Radagast didn’t do anything wrong, he just got distracted with the wild life. The blue wizards we going really know enough about. I know Tolkien said they may have helped in Rhun and Harad in some way but we really don’t know. And obviously we know what happened with Saruman haha.
@@Taewills I do LOVE the insight we get into his character here and it shows exactly why he will fall in the future. He believes in great power being necessary to combat evil. Eventually that desire for power will corrupt him.
Martin Freeman plays the best most quintessential semi grumpy British man and I cannot be convinced otherwise
Yes. A mix of mildly annoyed with a side of self conscious embarrassment thrown in.
He always does lol. Even in Sherlock
The reason the dwarves eat all the food is so that it wouldn't spoil because they didn't know how long the journey would be
@Ciffer-1998the dwarves think (without knowing who is) bilbo will be coming with them before they arrive.
@Ciffer-1998 lol I’m not sure if lying is the right word for it. He told them he had found their burglar and he had.
47:32 Remember in The Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo tells a group of Hobbit children a story about being captured by trolls who were then turned into stone. This is what he was talking about.
also that's exactly where the first crew (Aragorn and the Hobbits) stopped to look for kingsfoil to cure Frodo after getting stabbed and them meeting Arwen
@@GRR1MN1R Ya with Frodo's slipping into the shadow taking your attention it's a line that can almost be missed when Sam says look Frodo, Mr. Bilbo's trolls.
they dont remember half of basic stuff, i doubt they remember that lol
@@ronweber1402From what I’ve seen in these reactions videos they have been reacting to the theatrical versions of the MiddleEarth movies. That line from Sam about seeing the trolls is from the extended version of Fellowship.
You can also see the trolls as rock-statues as they walk past them at one point.
Peter Jackson was originally supposed to film these movies months earlier but he told the studio to wait until they could get Martin Freeman. He knew in his heart Martin was the perfect choice for Bilbo, and he was right.
I wonder how Guillermo's Del Toro's versions would have turned out
Freeman was hired when Guillermo Del Toro was directing, He was the first and only choice throughout the entire difficult development.
In essence Freeman had to wait for THEM.
@@RolandDeschain1 both can be true. Freeman wouldve been on board for Del Toro but then when he left the movie got delayed and hed have had other obligations. Meaning the studio possibly wanting to recast him. Which wouldve led Jackson who was impressed with Freeman to delay his own filming to make sure Freeman was free.
The beginning scene is lotr fellowship beginning. When frodo is leaving to meet Gandalf in this movie, that's when you see him in fellowship first ride the cart back to hobbiton with him. This is right before bilbos birthday party in fellowship.
Dragons coveting gold comes from Norse mythology, where the dragon Fafnir accumulates an enormous hoard of treasure just to have it. He doesn't use it, he just wants to have the treasure. Tolkein was an expert on Norse and other Germanic mythologies as well as a writer, and he drew heavily upon those ancient stories in his fiction
My understanding is that Tolkien drew from many sources of mythologies, and tried to weave them together.
The Rohirrim were based on an ancient tribe of horsemen in England.
And then you have Aragorn's line (men of Numenor) which was basically Atlantis. Although I personally wonder if maybe he was alluding to Doggerland which was first discovered in 1931.
It has been reasoned that Orthanc was derived from the Eiffel tower, and Paris in general. A tower located in a basin valley, surrounded by mountains and a dammed river to the north.
It's possible he got the name Aragorn from the commune community Aragon in northeast Spain, which coexists with the medieval kingdom of the same name and place.
@ The Rohirrim are a blend of Anglo-Saxon and Visigoth. They’re basically Tolkien’s wishful fantasy of an Anglo-Saxon culture that adopted mounted warfare and could resist the Normans
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There is that too. Some speculate that was Tolkien's inspiration. I was referring to an older tribe that came before the Romans, about 4500 years ago.
I really don't get how the opening scene can be confusing. It's takes place just before Bilbo's 111th birthday party by Frodo adding the sign to the gate "No admittance , except on party business" and then running to meet Gandalf (as we then see in Fellowship Of The Ring).
You've never heard dragons hoard gold? Am I so old? Every fantasy I know dragons like gold.
They are not exactly fantasy-experts.
I feel ya, but my 2 yr old niece knows dragons like shiny
I felt old too. Glad 2 year olds in 2024 know a thing or two about dragons tho.
it honestly saddens me.
Giant spiders are related to Shelob, they are all spawns of Ungoliant, an ancient evil spirit who took the form of a giant spider. Ungoliant was in league with Melkor, the "boss" of Sauron.
There's a bit of debate over why Shelob had a 'stinger', which spiders don't possess, although the orcs do refer to her 'stinger'. Spiders of course, inject poison with their mouths. It's possible that Tolkien wasn't aware of this but PJ and crew must have been and it doesn't specifically say she stung Frodo from her abdomen. Since he's 'stung' on the neck, she probably bit him with her mouth, like a spider would.
@GlynnC-q2k Shelob and Ungoliant aren't spiders, they're "creatures in spider-form". That gives license for a bit of fantasy exaggeration.
There's actually a Hobbiton in New Zealand.
After they tore down the Shire set, they built more permanent structures.
You can go inside Bag-End and eat Shire food.
You can’t go in Bag End. Perhaps originally, but not for years. There’s another hobbit hole they’ve recently opened that you can go in though, which I’m sad wasn’t there when I went in 2017!
the hobbit feet weren't CGI like you were thinking.. they were made of foam latex or silicone, glued onto shoes to keep them from flopping around and then airbrushed. they made hundreds of them. each used once.
And Tolkien did write that they were large and hairy
They're glued onto their feet not shoes.
Just remember the hobbit book was written for children. Lord of the rings wasn’t.
That’s why it’s a bit simple compared
Don’t ask them to remember :p
In all seriousness it’s still fun to watch new folk watch these films regardless
It is not simple. The audience might be simple.
@MethosFilms thank you. I've said for years that the Hobbit is a children's book enjoyed by adults and LOTR is an adult book enjoyed by children. Basic but essentially true.
Bilbo Baggins is just like me fr (I don't like leaving my house)
@TheTheoreticalMutant you spend your days watching this channel. All of your recent comments / watch history is this channel. You don't leave your house either, stop being a douche
same
Me too! I stay home and write my own tales. Enough excitement for me.
It’s my personal opinion but I suspect Tolkien was the same. He feels like the kind of person who leaves his home only when he is forced to. Like getting drafted into World War I.
In the books there is so much more about how Gollum and Bilbo both changed their stories to make the ring more legitimately theirs. Gollum was claiming his grandmother gave it to him as a birthday gift for awhile when Gandalf had him for questioning. Bilbo took a long time to tell even Frodo and Gandalf the truth that he found it and didn't win the ring in the riddle game. Frodo and Gandalf finding this even minor departure from the truth by Bilbo very odd and one of the clues leading up to determining that this was the One Ring in the early chapters of the Fellowship.
And the chapter with Gollum and Bilbo, 'Riddles in the Dark', was changed after Lord of the Rings came out, because in the first edition, Gollum bets the ring as the prize in the game, is rather nice and shows Bilbo the way out. After LotR was written and the ring took on a much more sinister role, especially the way it affects Gollum, that didn't make any sense so it was altered to it's present form.
I don't remember that but its years since I read either of them.
@@kevthepoet Well, it's kinda hard to get the original now, in the revised edition (the one we've all read), Gollum is a sneaky, nasty little fellow, doesn't bet the ring and has no intention of helping Bilbo out. Fits much better with his LotR version and is now the official version.
Completely random but the reason you don’t hear much of the Dwarven language (Khuzdul) is because the dwarves are incredibly secretive and only speak it amongst themselves. Gimli doesn’t speak it because very few outside of dwarves themselves understand it.
I love how all of Roxy’s concern for Bilbo when the dwarves show up are super practical 😂
They’re eating all his food or they’re making a mess in his house, etc 😆❤️
1:18:45 I think they already established the fact that the ring has its own mind , when it first abandoned Isildur he didnot notice it untill it was completely off his hand and he became visible
and in the first movie its also stated that the ring abandoned Gollum on its own but it didnot want a Hobbit to pick it up
They clearly didn't get that, I mean, they kept saying Bilbo stole the ring. Lol
To be fair, I think if you're not already knowledgeable of the story, or you haven't seen the films 3 times, there is a LOT you can "kind of get" but maybe not get all the intricacies.
One thing to try to remember, Tolkien is the father to the modern day fantasy genre. The Hobbit was the first book written so the exposition was needed because it hasn’t been done before.
And Frank Herbert is the father of modern sci-fi genre
@@GodEmperor1981and Mary Shelley is the mother of horror and scifi 😂.
@@Hellohellonada and Bram Stoker is the father of Analog Horror😌
Gods of Pegana by Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron Dunsany, was a fantasy novel series predating Hobbit & LotR by over 30 years, but was nowhere near as popular.
@@francislelievre5172 The Holy Bible the first Fantasy and Scifi novel ever
I know this series didn't live up to the hype, and not a lot of people love it, but i love it for a different reason. It was the last fantsay movie series that i watched with my grandfather before he passed away. He was a big fantasy lover and he introduced me to this world through lord of the rings and we saw these movies in theaters
There should be a third person with them who has seen these movies and can answer their questions and just help them understand these movies better
Well. Maybe. It IS frustrating when they are like, “I didn’t know the ring would be back!” Just because you then have to wonder if they’re on the same page with what we’re watching, when it happens. But I’m enjoying them discovering this stuff. There was a day when the books hadn’t been read and there were no LotR films and it was hard for everyone!!
no
I get that, but just like when many read the books or watched the movies for the first time, the girls are discovering and analyzing as they see things throughout the series
I get what you mean, like I can't be too hard on them because they only seen the Lord of the rings once and it's a lot of information. But they're asking very obvious questions it makes me even wonder if they've even watched The Lord of the rings trilogy. For instance, the party at the beginning is very clearly Bilbo's birthday party, that sword that Bilbo gets is obviously the sword that he gives to frodo, and the enemy that they're talking about is obviously Sauron.
It just makes me wonder if they're even paying attention to what they're watching.
@@The..Boulder Not to be too hard on the ladies, but from what I watched of their reaction to LOTR they spent more time thirsting over Aragorn and yapping (Constantly trying to predict what'd happen next, who was going to hook up with who, hating on Theoden, etc.) than they did actually paying attention.
The Hobbit trilogy might be the first movie where it takes less time to read the book than watch the movie.
Lol.
Absolutely. Sadly!
I remember watching the movie, not knowing that there were gonna be three movies, and I thought, that’s it?! 😂 And then the same after the second movie.
@@BrianZatzke and you’ve watched the LOTR films?
Wot about the Grinch?
Ye I love ruining jokes.
What an incredibly intuitive guess. Although it is never directly mentioned in all three Hobbit movies, the Necromancer is indeed Sauron beginning to regain his power. After the White Council (Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel, etc...) drive him from Dol Guldur, he returns to Mordor.
1:18:35 - *He did not feel it because the Ring did not want Gollum to feel it missing. Galadriel's narration at start of first movie said it all: "[The Ring] ABANDONED Gollum!" And Gandalf later confirmed that "[The Ring] WANTED to be found!" It had spent CENTURIES with Gollum in the dark, going nowhere because Gollum withdrew from the world and never encountered anyone but Goblins which he killed for food. So the ring waited until finally someone showed up and when it felt Bilbo around it and took the only opportunity it had to escape Gollum.*
28:57 He doesn't need food in his pantry. He's going on an adventure ❤
Ian Holm nearly didn't appear in this film (nor his cameo in the third film). When Peter Jackson met with Holm, he revealed that he was dealing with Parkinson's Disease and had overall retired. Jackson arranged a set of BagEnd to be set up in England and shortened Holm's work time to less than a week. Holm agreed to return and THE HOBBIT would be his final film appearance
Its actually sad, because we now know due to interviews with his family around Alien Romulus that Holms wouldve loved to appear in more movies in his final years but he felt Hollywood sorta abandoned him after the Lord of the Rings.
@@ComicCrossing Really?? I feel I noticed him in a ton of stuff after LORD OF THE RINGS; maybe I was wrong.
Sylvester Mccoy, the actor who played the brown wizard, was the 7th Dr. in the original Dr. Who series. My favorite after Tom Baker.❤
Met him in person at a Calgary Expo, in 2013, I guess. Such a nice person.
Radagast's role in the Lord of the Rings book was so miniscule his presence in the movies wasn't warranted and he didn't appear in the Hobbit book.
@@Darkgod777 in terms of how many pages he appears on, yes very small. But in terms of his role, HUGE. If not for Radagast Gandalf may never have escaped being captured by Saruman. It was he who had sent the eagle to deliver a message to Gandalf.
His role in these movies IS VERY WARRANTED
@@TheAOTSdudehe’s not even in the book so how?
He is played here by actor Sylvester McCoy who also played Dr. Who.
The cousin of Gimli, whose grave they found in Moria, was Balin, the second dwarf to arrive with Bilbo. The dead Dwarf, leaning against the side of the grave and shouting the chronicle Gandalf was reading from, was Orin. The movie started with the beginning of The Lord of the Rings and then went back 60 years.
Do you realy expect them to remember anything after their lousy and poor reaction on LOTR? Not realy!!!
@@matthiasschlee3402why you gotta be so hateful if you don’t care for their reaction don’t watch not everyone is gonna remember every detail of these long ass movies
@@pricewright8030 Hateful? Thats the problem with snowflakes like you. Every critic which is not coated with sugar is hateful to you. If you can not stand it because of your mental weakness go and get some help. I can have an opinion and I am sick and tiered of spoiled little princesses or princlings like you are, telling me what to watch and say. And if you have a problem with this go and find a solution. I am not responsible for your problems at all!!!!
@@pricewright8030 And by the way I did not watch this reaction and I never will. There are way better and more intelligent reactions than the ones by these two. By far!!!!
Actually, Balin was second. His brother Dwalin was first dwarf to arrive at Bilbo's
Fans like to blame director Peter Jackson for the Hobbit films being too bloated and slow moving, but it really isn't his fault. He originally only wanted to make a single Hobbit film but Warner Bros forced him to film it as a trilogy in order to have more movies to cash in on. When he told them there wasn't enough of Tolkien's source material for a trilogy, they told him to make the additional material himself to fill out three films
Jackson could have refused to do the trilogy. They could have done the Hobbit then an anthology of the other tolkien stories.
@@alejandrotuazon4831 You're right, he could've. But after he realized the studio was going to shoot a trilogy no matter what, Jackson believed he was probably the only director in Hollywood who could curb the studio execs's worst impulses whenever they needed to be reined in that they'd listen to in order to limit the damage since he brought them so much success in the earlier trilogy.
In hindsight, he was correct. Just look at the god awful Amazon series 'Rings of Power' for evidence
@@Britton_Thompson then he should not be excused from the issues with this trilogy
@@alejandrotuazon4831 He isn't. Everyone blames Peter Jackson. All I'm saying is this was always going to be a failure no matter what the moment the studio mandated a trilogy for the Hobbit. There was no director in the entire world capable of filling out 3 whole films based on the scant amount of source material they'd be pulling from in order for this to be a success, and that given these conditions, I don't blame Jackson for choosing to go down with the ship because he believed another director would probably blast plot holes in his earlier films when they started stuffing their own story ideas into it to justify 3 movies
It was always going to fail. That much was unavoidable. The best Jackson could hope for was not having the integrity of his LOTR trilogy undermined in the process. Jackson could either make 1 good trilogy & 1 bad trilogy. Or he could allow a new director to come in, and see their contributions potentially undermine everything to result in 2 bad trilogies.
Not true. He always wanted 2. It was then extended to 3.
It's amazing how much this trilogy has grown on me over the years. While not as regarded as TLOTR, these are still incredible films.
They're alright. Incredible? Not to a Tolkien fan, or even a movie buff.
Showing Bilbo’s pity towards Gollum was always a great throw back to Fellowship
There was alot of music in The Hobbit: the book 27:50. All of the songs they sang in the movie... were from the books...
In the continuity of Tolkien's legendarium, Aragorn would have been in Rivendell at the same time as Thorin's Company and Bilbo, though as a 10 year-old boy called 'Estel' (Elvish for 'Hope'). Because of how much Peter Jackson altered the timeline, Aragorn is in his mid-20s at the time of the 'Hobbit' films.
Oh, and Sebastian was a hedgehog, not a porcupine.
RIP Ian Holm, recently passed away. The party is the one from the first movie
Roxie heart broke more for biblo when the dwarves were eating his dinner than the entire end of return of the king 🤯
Who Biblo?
The party that they mention is the party being thrown at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring for Bilbo's 111th Birthday. In Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo mentioned that he wanted to find some place quiet where he could finish his book. That book is "The Hobbit" which tells the story of Smaug and the finding of the Ring.
Don’t forget these are the trolls from the story bilbo was telling to the children in the fellowship
I am a huge super nerd of Tolkien work. I always look forward to every December/ Christmas time to do my Hobbit and Lord of the Ring watch.
We also do a rewatch marathon once a year. LOTR/HOBBIT and ALL the Appendices. It's become a tradition
Smeagol was one of the Stoor. They're sort of like hobbits, but they live near streams and rivers and live off of fish and berries that grow near shores.
Hobbits in the shire live among more greenery.
Think of them as cousins, river-halflings vs forest halflings.
Bilbo actually goes to the grocery store in the Extended Cut. He’s only getting the fish that ends up eaten by Dwalin.
At 34:35 Thorin used an oaken wood as a shield.. Because of this, they called him Thorin OakenShield..
I ADORE these movies, so underrated
Facts
@@ceo.of.cinema me too! I think people were overly critical of them.
so much fluff.. not made for the true fans
@@gabegood8989 There is no such thing as a “true fan.” Stop this nonsense.
@StardustandMadness it's fine to adore certain parts, but the entire Goblin chase scene for example is everything wrong with these movies, one convenient thing after another, unrealistic survivability rates compared to what we see in LotR where a horse chase could end a life, and rushed cgi due to PJ replacing Del Toro.
Balin and Ori were both in Moria (deceased). Ori wrote the book that Gandalf read from. Dori tends to mother Ori (who had a slingshot). One dwarf who likes to sing, one who likes to steal, one who has an axe imbedded in his head, Dwalin who was the first to arrive at Bag End. Gloin, who is Gimli's father. Fili (Thorin's heir) and Kili were good looking. In fact Tolkien and Jackson do a better job with 13 dwarves than Disney did with 7.
It helps to remember that The Hobbit is a children's book, and Bilbo was little more than a cartoon character when we start out. He's a stuffy little over-protected character who is suddenly faced with a dwarf infestation. The ensuing chaos made for fun reading for kids.
Gandalf you must remember had the reputation of a meddler even in Lord of the Rings. In the Hobbit, we see how he earned that reputation.
Hobbits inspired by the Snergs (1927).
The beginning is the start of the lord of the rings. The party they are talking about is the party where Gandalf sets off the fireworks
Aside from just the fun and chaos, the “Smash The Plates!” scene/song is meant to show the dwarves’ natural skills and culture enduring through their exile. Being natural smiths and craftsmen, it’s often said that “if you hand a dwarf your knife, it will be handed back sharper.” What might seem like careless mishandling to an outsider might actually be a team of skilled dwarves expertly cleaning, polishing, and sharpening whatever pottery, cutlery, weaponry, stone, or steel they put their hands to.
“Riddles in the Dark,” where bilbo and Gollum spar with riddles, was my favorite part of the original book besides another Bilbo conversation in the next movie.
the second one is my favorite as you find Smaug is the best character in the hobbit and that makes me love the second one best. Smaug is also an S+ tire dragon that all fictional dragons should aspire to be
Remember, the Ring extended Gollum's life. He had it for like 500 years before Bilbo came along. So of course he doesn't look any younger here. He's already lived under that mountain for centuries, what's 60 years more or less at that point?
I honestly love the hobbit as much as LOTR. The hobbit just feels like a classic fantasy adventure and I love it.
The way I always looked at them & this is just my opinion is the LOTR is an adult experience that children may enjoy & Hobbit trilogy is a children's experience that adults may enjoy. Cause I enjoy all the books & movies, but for completely different reasons.❤️💞❤️
@@jenloveshorroroh definitely and I think that’s what makes The Hobbit stand out differently than LOTR cuz it shouldn’t try to be that. It’s just its own fun story with Wizards, Dwarves, Elf’s, Orcs, Hobbits and DRAGONS
The creatures in the caves where Bilbo found the ring were actually goblins. Not orcs. The sword glows blue in the presence of either species.
Goblin are usually called Orcs from what I’ve read in the books which confused me the first time I read the prologue of the fellowship of the ring because it says Bilbo and the Dwarves escape from the Orcs in the misty mountains
goblins are a type of orc!
The Hobbit was written for children, he called the orcs “goblins” for their benefit. Orcs and goblins are exactly the same thing.
@@Mistmantle88came to say this as well. I’ve also read that he made a distinction that Goblins are just Orcs who live in mountains.
Goblins are like mountain orcs. A bit smaller than other Orcs but just as vicious.
I’m a bit confused by some of the commentary in this reaction. Does Roxy not know this is Bilbo’s story as a younger Hobbit? Because she asked if this takes place after the Lord of the Ring films despite Bilbo looking younger (thanks to CGI). Do they not remember that the Fellowship of the Ring began with a party? I’m a bit confused here.
There is between a 12 to 10 year gap between the Lord of the Ring films and The Hobbit movies. And I never followed the lore but I gotta say, even I understood watching the first Hobbit movie that the story is before Frodo’s story
I’m also wondering if there is a point with these reaction channels where people are trying to focus too much on analyzing that it takes away from the overall experience.
I’m just saying-their comments are confusing.
I 100% agree with the over analyzing, no one does that when they watch a movie in the theaters so I don't understand why some reactors choose to, I get that they have to talk because they are reacting but still. You don't need to speculate about things that will obviously be explained later in the movie, it's a movie... Not a tv show.
Tara doesn’t remember what happened a few hours ago but I don’t know Roxy’s reason.
Most of Their comments are like they’re completely stoned out of their minds when watching these movies
This younger Bilbo is not CGI, he is played by a different actor - Martin Freeman, not Ian Holmes.
they're talking/asking about if the first scene (Bilbo and Frodo reading the story) was before or after the Lord of the Rings. it's not hard to comprehend what they're asking.
and the answer to their question is i think it was before the first movje starts.
Aarogon is like 87 when you see him in the first movie
Balin, that old dwarf that we all love is the dwarf in the grave in Moria in fellowship of the ring.
To all of you who are trying to explain details for these ladies:
Just don’t.
I’m suspecting that they barely read comments, so. . .
Why bother?
I suspect they barely read too. Every other fantasy book I read had dragons hoarding gold
Happy Holidays! In my opinion the next film Desolation of Smaug is the best of the LOTR franchise. It was one of the most incredible theatrical experiences I've ever had. The sound quality the effects... I enjoy this movie but Smaug is such an awesome character. Keep smiling, be safe, and keep the reactions rolling.
The bit with gollum is actually not extended for the fans, the interacction between Bilbo & Gollum playing the games are in the book!
R.I.P Ian Holm
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One of the biggest reasons that Bilbo was able to resist the evil influence of the ring for so long was due to how he began his ownership of it with an act of mercy by sparing Gollum.
Balin was in moria.Remember when gimli found his kin and started crying.
Jesus Christ both where so lost watching this movie lol and Roxy with her “the stakes are high but we know he lives”, was annoying every time she brought it up, we know home girl just watch it lol
0:47 "The Hobbit Books" NO! The Hobbit Book, singular! Just one short single childrens book, stretched into three movies to satisfy hollywood greed
Totaly agree. The book is max for 2 moves
To be fait, a lot of the extra material not in the Hobbit book originated in the LOTR appendices and the Silmarillion and was fleshed out for this film. All 3 writers loved Tolkien's work.
Bunch of dragons 😂
Yeah that hurt when they said that
Gimli’s dad Gloin is in this group he actually shows Bilbo a picture of him
Legolas as well, in the second film.
The part where Bilbo talked about Lobelia Sackville-Baggins trying to steal the silverware, that was while they were preparing for the birthday party at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring.
Yes exactly it’s the day of bilbos party in the fellowship the same night bilbo disappeares and gives Gandolf the the ring who then gives it to Frodo before they know what the ring is.
The actor who plays the dwarf 'Bofur' is James Nesbitt, who gave one of the greatest performances I have ever seen in Paul Greengrass's phenomenal BLOODY SUNDAY.
That movie is an absolute gut-punch, and Nesbitt is staggeringly good in it. I put it in the top five greatest film performances I have ever seen.
Just as a nice to know fact: the ones in Lord of the Rings where Fellbeasts and Smaug is an actual dragon - the last one in Middle Earth and the smallest from the bigger Dragons that ever existed, compared to the biggest one Smaug is Not even 1% of it’s size… Just a small sidefact regarding the Lore…
Edit: Minute 10:00 you are asking when this Part is Happening…. It’s exactly Happening when Lord of the Rings Starts…
Edit 2: about Minute 38:30 you guys say „it’s the Spider“ and every reactor gets it wrong (i get why, so on problem) but just to let you guys know: no thats Not the same Kind of Spider Sam fought, the Spider Sam fought would kill all of those Spiders at once, Shelob is many times stronger than those Spiders here in the Hobbit movies - those are just lesser relatives that a way weaker, smaller and Not as intelligent as Shelob
Smaug might be the last dragon in Middle-Earth, but I don't think it's explicitly stated in the books that they knew him to be the last.
I believe hes referred to as like the last of the great fire drakes or something similar so there could still be cold drakes which don't breathe fire out there
One of the best theories I heard was that dragons love gold because it's a soft metal, so they'll collect a hoard to have a soft bed to rest on that can't catch fire from their constant heat.
The beginning of this hammers you pretty hard to make clear it starts the very same day that the LOTR movies start - they’re preparing for Bilbo’s 111th birthday party. They talk of party invitations, the “No admittance” sign … Frodo heading off to the woods with a book - don’t you remember how Fellowship started? 🤷🏼♂️ They even joke that Gandalf will be late (“A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins …”)
You're nice than me; I simply said "are you fuckin stupid?" 😂
This seems gate-keepy AF.
Theyve watched 2 other LotR movies since
then. Been introduced to dozens of other characters and creatures. Plus other movies and shows.
Not everyone is a lore Fanatic that remembers every single detail of one of the most expensive universes in cinema and literature.
And that's fine and great.
@@BallisticTech The other side of that coin, though, is that they have a dream job and don't pay a lick of fuckin' attention. Hell, they kept talking about orcs all the way through the goblin section, despite an ENTIRE SONG about goblin town, and goblin this, goblin that. Just pay a little ATTENTION.
@kayshinae9023 bahahahahahaha they don't pay a lick of attention. This would have to come from someone that didn't pay a lick of attention to this video. Get out of here with that.
@@BallisticTechthey're gonna dm you those digits any day now
The Hobbit is a great trilogy. I hope you both enjoy it💯
Its okay. Great? Maybe if you don't compare it to LOTR or even the hobbit book...
The winged creatures that the nazgul ride in the LOTR trilogy are not dragons. In the books they are called "fell beasts" and are more described as featherless, foul smelling birds.
They just saw Return of the king and can't remember that Bilbo looks super old at the end. How the hell they function as human beings?
The reasoning behind the confusion on whether Bilbo stole the Ring from Gollum was because in the first edition of The Hobbit book Gollum willingly gave the ring as a price after winning the game. But when Tolkien was finishing LOTR he wrote another version that sets up closer to the trilogy, but due to miscommunication with his publishers it ended up being in the 2nd edition of the book without his knowledge. This led Tolkien to make Bilbo a dishonest person in the LOTD to basically make it work.
Do you realize how OP Gandalf is. Gandalf’s sole purpose is to guide the mortals of middle earth to stop Sauron. Which means his foresight is so great because he sees that it is Bilbo who acquires the ring and his descendant is the one to destroy it. To keep golem alive to fulfil one last task, and allowing the other hobbits to fulfil other parts of prophecy. Damn!!!!
The part I love about the opening here is how they never actually show Smaug in his entirety in this movie. It's only a glimpse of wing here, a tail there, or a claw shoving through the door...
It's cracy that Bilbo meets Gloin and Frodo meet Gimli the son of Gloin. Remember Aragon said: "I,m Aragon, Arathon's son. That is Gimli, Gloin's son and Legolas from the Forrest Kingdom (the Kingdom of the Elfking Thranduil) to Eomer where he meet him and the Rohirrim at the first time in the movie Two Towers.
Thorins name comes from his battle against Azog - Oakenshield. Used the branch as a shield
I've really loved revisiting these. Watching Roxy taking notes brought a tear to my eye. Even though it didn't help
I remember I tried for years to get my mom to watch the LOTR films first but she didn’t like fantasy films, so as my Christmas present I convinced her to go with me to see this movie in IMAX 3D and she LOVED it.
The beginning of this movie is basically at the same time as the beginning of the fellowship. It’s right before Gandalf shows up for Bilbo’s 111th birthday party.
25 minutes of you, ladies, talking all over the movie was enough for me.
That's kind of what movie reaction channels are, though. If you want to watch the movie interrupted, go rent the movie. Meanwhile, you're getting something for free here, so complaining isn't a great look.
The Hobbit is one book, the fact they turned it into three movies was insane
Money money money.....MONEY!!!!!
Not just three movies. Three looooong movies lol.
Three very fluffy movies.
Ah yes... Money..
Though I would've wished to see Guillermo's Del Toro's version of the story.
The book is literally amazing. Read it like 20 years ago now. And Tolkien life was an adventure as well. Amazing guy
Dwarves can live to 300 - 400 years old, that should help things make more sense chronologically
In the UK, “Shark Tank” is called “Dragons Den,” and business magnates are often called Dragons and not Sharks like they are here in the USA. It’s a really old story about the dragons and gold.
9:19 yes, they're throwing a party. It's literally Bilbo's birthday party from the beginning of the first movie
"Look, Mr. Frodo! It's Bilbo's trolls!" Come on, guys. You didn't make that connection? 😉
The Hobbit takes place 60 years before Lord of the Rings.
Galadriel is one of the oldest people in Middle Earth and was born in Valinor during the Time of Bliss. J. R. R. Tolkien writes about Galadriel's age: "Galadriel is as old as Shelob, or even older. She is the last of the Great Ones remaining among the High Elves, and she "awake" in Eldamar beyond the sea long before Ungoliante came to Middle Earth and brought forth her brood there..."
She was the daughter of Finarfin and sister of Finrod, the last Noldor lord in Middle Earth. Her name Galadriel means: Maiden crowned with shining hair (Quenya: Altáriël Light-crowned Maiden). Her hair was golden like her father's hair and like that of Indis. The Eldar said that the light of the Two Trees was caught in her hair. Even Feanor marveled and admired it so much that he asked her three times for a lock of hair, which she refused.
At the beginning of the Second Age, Galadriel was the only one of the leaders of the Noldor rebellion to survive the wars of Beleriand, so that in the end she was the last to fall under the spell that forbade her from returning to Aman. Galadriel realized that Sauron was seized by the evil power of Melkor as his servant and that there was an evil force further east. So Galadriel and Celeborn went east and founded the first Noldor kingdom of Eregion.
As mistress of Lothlórien, Galadriel was also the keeper of the mirror. In the Third Age, she was considered the most powerful elf, as she was the Ringbearer and the co-founder of the White Council.
Through the founding of the White Council, their ongoing fight against evil, and their rejection of the One Ring from Frodo, the Valar lifted the ban against them at the end of the Third Age. Galadriel's millennia-old desire was fulfilled in the year 3021 T.A., when she went on the last voyage of the Ringbearers from the Grey Havens to Valinor together with Gandalf, Elrond, Frodo and Bilbo, while Celeborn remained in Middle Earth for a few more years.
Celaborn was Galadriel’s husband? He was the bad guy from Equalizer who only had a line or 2 when the Fellowship sought refuge in Lothlorien after Gandalf “fell”, correct?
Always loved the scene with Galadriel and the moon behind her... she is older than the moon (and the sun)
@@PeterBuwen I believe Cirdan the shipwright is the only one older during the time of the trilogy.
Lol nobody asked 🤣😂 sorry bro, couldn't resist. Im sure somebody loved this 🙏🏾💜