Manchu wasn't a concept until Huang Taiji invented it as a race to unify the various Jurchen tribes. Aisin gioro family started up as one of the small tribes, so really, although they conquered other tribes, but the also allied with them, and place them in military organisations, forming the eight banners. So, never was there a concept of a United Manchu land under a single tribe, or a concept of direct rule under the emperor over the entire Manchuria. Maybe, at most they control their ancient tribesland and the old capital but definitely not the entire Manchuria.
Because the Original stock of those Manchus migrated to China with the Qing’d conquest of China. Their original homelands were basically vacant. So during the mid-Qing, Qing emperors made a lot of Han banners go to Manchuria to re-colonise the lands, and also initiated many conquest of outer Manchuria to incorporate more tribes to populate the area of core Manchuria and also to recruit in to their military.
It's kinda weird when we saw tribes like Manchu or Khitas, they basically very small in number but managed to conquered china while being nonexistent nowadays, at least themongoliams still exists
In the 17th and 18th centuries, the Qing dynasty exerted *some* influence over Sakhalin. However, this control was largely symbolic, as the Qing did not establish significant settlements or governance on the island. Sakhalin was primarily inhabited by indigenous groups such as the Ainu, Nivkh, and Oroks, and both Qing China and Imperial Russia had limited interactions with these populations.
I dont think its because russians are "land fanatics", it's mainly because fur trading and opportunity to get away as far as possible from serfdom@@akainu4118
@@청작맘 Basically this. I figured it'd be a good compromise between having everything colored and leaving the rest of the map empty (as in my older videos).
What would happen if the Qing decided to remain in Manchuria and didn't conquer the Ming dynasty? Would the Chinese and Russians still take their land and survive to the present day as an independent nation?
If the Later Jin Jurchens never conquered the Ming, they'd eventually be squeezed by the Chinese and Russians until they get wiped out like the other NE Asian peoples. The middle of the 17th century was the turning point for nomads, semi-nomads, hunter-gatherers, and even smaller sedentary agriculturist communities due to the rise of gunpowder across the Eurasian continent. It was exactly around this period when the Russian empire expanded east and aggressively removed the native NE Asians from their land, in the pursuit of acquiring a warm-water port for trade and war as well as breaking access into the Pacific side of the world. To the south of Manchuria, any successor to the Ming would've eventually adopted mass gunpowder just like the Mughals, Ottomans, etc. It was the norm rather than exception at that time. In this hypothetical timeline, the empires of Russia and China would still clash and probably lead to a wider struggle that ends in the demise of NE Asians.
you could arguably include Manchukuo in 1933-1945 (I think Puyi had some sort of leadership role from the start of the Japanese invasion from 1931 though) I know that was a puppet regime, but still, in terms of being ethnically ruled by, and on paper, it was back in Qing/Manchu hands
My favorite part of China (and one of my favorite places in the world). Amazing food, wonderful people. The Qing even built a smaller version of the Forbidden City in Shenyang before they captured Beijing).
Japan doesn't even fully control hokkaido in the 19th century, let along sakhalin and the kuril Islands... It's like saying Kaliningrad have always belonged to Russia
It's interesting how despite the Qing themselves being Manchu, they didn't have direct rule over their own homeland
Manchu wasn't a concept until Huang Taiji invented it as a race to unify the various Jurchen tribes. Aisin gioro family started up as one of the small tribes, so really, although they conquered other tribes, but the also allied with them, and place them in military organisations, forming the eight banners. So, never was there a concept of a United Manchu land under a single tribe, or a concept of direct rule under the emperor over the entire Manchuria. Maybe, at most they control their ancient tribesland and the old capital but definitely not the entire Manchuria.
Because the Original stock of those Manchus migrated to China with the Qing’d conquest of China. Their original homelands were basically vacant. So during the mid-Qing, Qing emperors made a lot of Han banners go to Manchuria to re-colonise the lands, and also initiated many conquest of outer Manchuria to incorporate more tribes to populate the area of core Manchuria and also to recruit in to their military.
Its mostly empty after all
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Also Roman Empire
Excelent work, thank you 👍
Nice work
It's kinda weird when we saw tribes like Manchu or Khitas, they basically very small in number but managed to conquered china while being nonexistent nowadays, at least themongoliams still exists
The main stream Mongolian is also in China now.
the Manchu, Khitans, etc were just a ruling minority, that was the only way to hold China
Wow this clears many things up, like there were many debate in comments sections regarding if Sakhalin island ever belong to the qing and now i know
In the 17th and 18th centuries, the Qing dynasty exerted *some* influence over Sakhalin. However, this control was largely symbolic, as the Qing did not establish significant settlements or governance on the island. Sakhalin was primarily inhabited by indigenous groups such as the Ainu, Nivkh, and Oroks, and both Qing China and Imperial Russia had limited interactions with these populations.
@@grc2003 yeah i see that
the Qing never really had control of the far north, their power base was in the south
Cool vid
So weird how despite being so close to their home land the manchus never expanded into siberia.
在農業時代，西伯利亞只是個寒冷之地，只有像俄羅斯這種土地狂熱者才會想佔領那種地方，清朝佔領的地方，基本上都是可以種田，且適合人類居住的地方。
I dont think its because russians are "land fanatics", it's mainly because fur trading and opportunity to get away as far as possible from serfdom@@akainu4118
This video is too good.
Shouldn't Choibalsan be called Bayan Tumen? It was only renamed to Choibalsan in 1941.
Nice video, but why are the other countries coloured gray in most of the times instead of other colours that you used earlier? [Except for war scenes]
I think he tried to emphasize the history of Manchuria as part of the Qing Dynasty
@@청작맘 Basically this. I figured it'd be a good compromise between having everything colored and leaving the rest of the map empty (as in my older videos).
What would happen if the Qing decided to remain in Manchuria and didn't conquer the Ming dynasty? Would the Chinese and Russians still take their land and survive to the present day as an independent nation?
If the Later Jin Jurchens never conquered the Ming, they'd eventually be squeezed by the Chinese and Russians until they get wiped out like the other NE Asian peoples. The middle of the 17th century was the turning point for nomads, semi-nomads, hunter-gatherers, and even smaller sedentary agriculturist communities due to the rise of gunpowder across the Eurasian continent. It was exactly around this period when the Russian empire expanded east and aggressively removed the native NE Asians from their land, in the pursuit of acquiring a warm-water port for trade and war as well as breaking access into the Pacific side of the world. To the south of Manchuria, any successor to the Ming would've eventually adopted mass gunpowder just like the Mughals, Ottomans, etc. It was the norm rather than exception at that time. In this hypothetical timeline, the empires of Russia and China would still clash and probably lead to a wider struggle that ends in the demise of NE Asians.
@@auburntiger6829俄羅斯人真的很惡劣，周圍國家幾乎都跟他有領土糾紛。
Gigachad Manchus 🌝
I think it should be begin 1616
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you could arguably include Manchukuo in 1933-1945 (I think Puyi had some sort of leadership role from the start of the Japanese invasion from 1931 though)
I know that was a puppet regime, but still, in terms of being ethnically ruled by, and on paper, it was back in Qing/Manchu hands
How about rebellion by She Chongming? He contributed to the destruction of Ming.
Well, that rebellion happened in southern China, and before Later Jin became Qing. Maybe I'll cover it in a future video.
Music name?
PeriTUNE
Mqnchuria under Chinese rule under Manxhu rule
Just a normal day in Asia
please make the evolution of kaeada every year
Do history of almohads
1:54 So unsatisfying
My favorite part of China (and one of my favorite places in the world). Amazing food, wonderful people. The Qing even built a smaller version of the Forbidden City in Shenyang before they captured Beijing).
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qing is manchu empire, not China
You could say that about the Mongol empire but Qing is 100% Chinese
@@alexrator7674 no, qing is manchu empire
qing themselves define they are “中国”
@@nep7nep7 “我大清兴于东海，与中国无涉”
@@tevege7627 Explain "Dulimbai Gurun"
Separate videos on Tajikistan and Turkmenistan
Sakhalin Island and the Kuril Islands have always belonged to Japan
in your dreams maybe
Japan doesn't even fully control hokkaido in the 19th century, let along sakhalin and the kuril Islands... It's like saying Kaliningrad have always belonged to Russia
cope
Japan bot😮