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Brother Abbas finished him in the last part as a person who reverted when I was in my 20's my teens was full of sex and drugs I look back with regret and shame, may Allah forgive my sins of the past before I found Islam
🤔 beutyfull but ther is full of sex in paradise as you may know as a person who reverted to this uncivilized and barbaric terrorist religion That Allah actually is the only god who promise Pussy or houri's in paradise or jannah 🤣 BAHAHAHA
How old r u now brother?
@@Simplyaslave 38 now, reverted when I was 21 alhamudillah
@@wolverinescratch woww Alhamdullilah, u married bro?
@@wolverinescratch and did u give up zina and never returned to it after u reverted? Sorry if im nosy, im just curious as I wanna understand my revert brothers more
The Hindu man in white has said "I don't believed in any God". He said it in such a way that he feels saved by becoming westernised and get rid of his religion of worshipping multiple Gods.
his god is the west
I think he likes white goddess
Sadly many Hindu's suffer from inferiority complex to an extreme level.
@@abdulazizb2154 defo these Indians they worship West 😂
no no you have mistaken brother...he is a trash in disguise...i watched his conversation with Brother Hashim
A Personal thanks to Brother Imran and Abbas for an amazing conversation and presenting Islam's view in the best way possible.
@Muslims remember Apostacy Day 22nd of August
Actually it's the Virgin Christians that can't wait to be BRIDES.
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.*
First Understand *4 things* :
♦️1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
♦️2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.*
Historically there is no wonder in that.
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
♦️3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
Just less than 100 years ago, Mahatma Gandhi' s wife age was 13 at the time of marriage.
The more we go into past , the less is the marriage age in history.
But Muhamnmad was in his 50s though.
@@serendipityculture1679
So what? Nobody complained!
@@adheebathaheer Maybe because they believed him to be a Prophet they wudnt go against him, or maybe it was normal those days as females matured faster in hot tropics? who knows. I think Prophet Muhammad could have been Sczhphrenic, they hear voices and see things that are not actually there except in their brain, its true read up on it, they also have anxietyty and panic attacks like the Islamic Prophet did, so u never know, be open minded here. Many Sczophrfenics are intelligent too, and can think in their head as Gods, its pretty common, like they believe they got a mission, they are also very creative, it doesnt mean they are killers, but am just saying think about it. It comes from both Neanderthals and Sapiens.
Jesus on other hand likely was Autistic due to similar traits. These people take society forward due to their brain wiriging as individuals.
Oh fool follow Allahs law in Quran! Where the hell has all you fools common sense gone 🤦🏽♀️
Why are people comparing 12 year olds etc that matured faster, with a prepubescent aisha at age 6 and age 9?
And even newborn infants can be married in islam. So your comparisons dont work
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@@chomo54andbabyaisha97 lol all you do is make me laugh. Thanks lololol
@@MilitantAntiAtheism no idea what you're on about pal
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer omg, you, my friend, are hilarious, have you got a contract with Netflix for your stand up comedy show yet?
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer not many, you're a special kind
I like brother Abbas' always controlled cadence. Sometimes to the point where he's like explaining to a child, which sometimes these people are, incapable of holding a mature conversation that is
♦️In the Bible, Isaac, 40, marries Rebecca, just 3 years old.
(Genesis - 25:20)
{Johann Buxtorf - Rabanical Literature : Volume - 1 - Page 33 , 34 }
{ The Zohar : Pritzeker Edition - Volume 2 - (2003) - Page 264 }
♦️When the Blessed Virgin Mary was twelve years old, her guardians began to inquire into marriage.She was married to Joseph, a carpenter in his late 90's. (Matthew 1: 18-25.) - Catholic Encyclopaedia.
♦️Saint Augustine - (354 AD),
chosen to marry Is a 10-year-old girl.
♦️Skanda Purana says that Sita was only six - 6 - years old when 'Lord' Rama married Sita.
♦️Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was one of the most famous yogis of 19th century India , He married a Five Year Old Girl Sharada Devi (1859). Swami Vivekananda was his disciple.
♦️Mahadev Govinda Ranade (d. 1901),
a social reformer, spiritual man and author who founded the Social Conference Movement in India, ignored his disciples' suggestion to marry a widow when his first wife died, and remarried eight-year-old Ramabai.
♦️King Richard II -1400 AD,
He married a 7 year old girl.
♦️ One of the architects of the Indian Constitution Dr. Ambedkar married
a 9-year-old Rama Devi.
♦️Satyendranath Bose, India's most accomplished physicist, is married to 11-year-old Ushapati.
♦️Srinivasa Ramanujan, a famous Indian mathematician, married Janaki, a nine - year - old girl (in 1909).
♦️Henry VIII -1500 AD, He married
a 6 years old girl.
This is a picture of many famous personalities in the history of the world.
So what do you say?😊
Know with that,
🔰 Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed.
Historically there is no wonder in that.
✅"It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
(Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85)
🔰You have to understand ,
The age of marriage is then and now
It's just relative.
🔰 Marital life is about things that take place in relation to the time of the respective individuals, their living conditions and life goals. It's up to them.
🔰 For those who are knowledgeable
All of this is well known.That's all.
👉If you think child marriage is a thing of the past, think again: Half of US states set no legal minimum age for marriage, and several states have only weak oversight over the practice.Laws in 44 U.S. states allow marriage before 18. According to statistics from Unchained At Last, nearly 300,000 children - some as young as 10 - were married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018.
👉Even today, in the 21st century, India is home to the largest number of child brides in the world with at least 1.5 million child marriages each year, according to a report by the United Nations children’s fund,
or Unicef.
👉Under current canon law in Vatican City, men can marry only 16 years of age and women 14 years of age with parental consent.
(‘Code of canon law-Chapter III’)
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant.
First Understand 4 things :
1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed.
Historically there is no wonder in that.
✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
(Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85)
3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
@@iamyourbrook4281 عن عبدالله بن عمرو بن العاص رضي الله عنهما: أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: ((مُرُوا أولادكم بالصلاة وهم أبناء سبع سنين، واضربوهم عليها وهم أبناء عَشْر، وفرقوا بينهم في المضاجع))؛ رواه أحمد وأبو داود، وهو صحيح[1].
9 age is correct
because of the age of 10 to separated them in their beds
that mean the kid if was male or female Puberty at that age in the time of the prophet Mohmmad peace and blessing on him
As the conversation proceeded toward the end, you could see his utter ignorance coming out.
He was definitely onto something else but failed miserably in his agenda.
Yeah....
When I see your comment, I just realized that, Friend.
Explanations given and he just dodged or ignored them. Like... not listening clearly.
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer
Why are you asking this in someone's comment that isn't related to the the thing you comment?
Also maybe Qira'at and Ahruf will explain your confusion.
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.*
First Understand *4 things* :
♦️1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
♦️2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.*
Historically there is no wonder in that.
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
♦️3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
@@iamyourbrook4281 Mashaallah.
Such detail, Brother.
Thank you for the Knowledge.
@@atheonmordy1244
♦️In the Bible, Isaac, 40, marries Rebecca, just 3 years old.
(Genesis - 25:20)
{Johann Buxtorf - Rabanical Literature : Volume - 1 - Page 33 , 34 }
{ The Zohar : Pritzeker Edition - Volume 2 - (2003) - Page 264 }
♦️When the Blessed Virgin Mary was twelve years old, her guardians began to inquire into marriage.She was married to Joseph, a carpenter in his late 90's. (Matthew 1: 18-25.) - Catholic Encyclopaedia.
♦️Saint Augustine - (354 AD),
chosen to marry Is a 10-year-old girl.
♦️Skanda Purana says that Sita was only six - 6 - years old when 'Lord' Rama married Sita.
♦️Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was one of the most famous yogis of 19th century India , He married a Five Year Old Girl Sharada Devi (1859). Swami Vivekananda was his disciple.
♦️Mahadev Govinda Ranade (d. 1901),
a social reformer, spiritual man and author who founded the Social Conference Movement in India, ignored his disciples' suggestion to marry a widow when his first wife died, and remarried eight-year-old Ramabai.
♦️King Richard II -1400 AD,
He married a 7 year old girl.
♦️ One of the architects of the Indian Constitution Dr. Ambedkar married
a 9-year-old Rama Devi.
♦️Satyendranath Bose, India's most accomplished physicist, is married to 11-year-old Ushapati.
♦️Srinivasa Ramanujan, a famous Indian mathematician, married Janaki, a nine - year - old girl (in 1909).
♦️Henry VIII -1500 AD, He married
a 6 years old girl.
This is a picture of many famous personalities in the history of the world.
So what do you say?😊
Know with that,
🔰 Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed.
Historically there is no wonder in that.
✅"It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
(Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85)
🔰You have to understand ,
The age of marriage is then and now
It's just relative.
🔰 Marital life is about things that take place in relation to the time of the respective individuals, their living conditions and life goals. It's up to them.
🔰 For those who are knowledgeable
All of this is well known.That's all.😊
👉If you think child marriage is a thing of the past, think again: Half of US states set no legal minimum age for marriage, and several states have only weak oversight over the practice.Laws in 44 U.S. states allow marriage before 18. According to statistics from Unchained At Last, nearly 300,000 children - some as young as 10 - were married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018.
👉Even today, in the 21st century, India is home to the largest number of child brides in the world with at least 1.5 million child marriages each year, according to a report by the United Nations children’s fund,
or Unicef.
👉Under current canon law in Vatican City, men can marry only 16 years of age and women 14 years of age with parental consent.
(‘Code of canon law-Chapter III’)
This guy is talking nonsense.. even today the mentality of children differ from region to region depending sociological environment .. dont tell me a 12 YO Kid that is living in PlayStation world is the same as 12 yo in 3rd world country that is probably working, supporting family income taking care of younger siblings.. over 200 y ago the environment was ruthless ..families could not afford to maintain children beyond 12-14..
exactly theres an mma fighter rn who was working in sand mines since he was a small child to provide for his family as his father was dead and he needed to pay for his school and also provide for his siblings and mother
that same child would be as mature as a playstation kid who is fed and cleaned by their mother???
absolute nonsense
Ayesha رضی اللہ عنھا was a young adult, not a kid. Always remember one thing! The word 'maturity' is what fluctuates in every century. Just a couple of centuries ago, some of the most famous people were getting married at 14, 15, and 16 years of age. There is nothing new here, this is world history. People matured at different ages in different times.
May Allah ﷻ guide the sincere and severely punish these Islamaphobes. Ameen!
عن عبدالله بن عمرو بن العاص رضي الله عنهما: أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: ((مُرُوا أولادكم بالصلاة وهم أبناء سبع سنين، واضربوهم عليها وهم أبناء عَشْر، وفرقوا بينهم في المضاجع))؛ رواه أحمد وأبو داود، وهو صحيح[1].
9 age is correct
because of the age of 10 to separated them in their beds
that mean the kid if was male or female Puberty at that age in the time of the prophet Mohmmad peace and blessing on him
Aisha was prepubescent, there is zero proof that she was pubescent.
Ash-Shafi'i explicitly affirmed that aisha was prepubescent at age 9
the hadith that i provided previously, I can translate it
said:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Command your children to perform Salat (prayer) when they are "seven years old", and beat them for (not offering) it when they are "ten", and do not let (boys and girls) sleep together".
that mean boys and girls will be ready to have sex when they 10 years old .. that's why do not let them sleep together.. and because the incest is forbidden
@@justsomevids4541 proof?
@@brokenSnake al-shafi'i in Al-Umm (7/163):
(قَالَ الشَّافِعِيُّ) : فَإِنْ قَالَ قَائِلٌ: لِمَ زَعَمْت أَنَّ الْآبَاءَ يُزَوِّجُونَ الصِّغَارَ قِيلَ: «زَوَّجَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ - صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ - عَائِشَةَ وَهِيَ بِنْتُ سِتٍّ أَوْ سَبْعٍ وَبَنَى بِهَا النَّبِيُّ - صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ - وَهِيَ بِنْتُ تِسْعٍ» فَالْحَالَانِ اللَّذَانِ كَانَ فِيهِمَا النِّكَاحُ وَالدُّخُولُ كَانَا وَعَائِشَةُ صَغِيرَةٌ مِمَّنْ لَا أَمْرَ لَهَا فِي نَفْسِهَا
“Al-Shafi'i stated: ‘If someone says, 'Why did you claim that the fathers can marry off the young ones?' Say: 'Abu Bakr gave Aisha in marriage to the messenger of Allah at the age of six or seven and the prophet consummated the marriage at nine years of age." Hence, both the cases of marriage and consummation, took place when Aisha was a minor who had no command over herself.’”
Mashallah very fruitful video. Thank you Dr Imran and Abbas.
Man: hip not ready .
Abbas:*give explanation *
Man :HIP NOT READY
Abbas:*more explanation *
Man:HIP.NOT.READY.
We have proof though >_< look... Bones! I haven't studied them but.... Bonesssss! Lol
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.*
First Understand *4 things* :
♦️1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
♦️2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.*
Historically there is no wonder in that.
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
♦️3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
جزاكم الله خير
Beautiful discussion
Jazakom Allah khair brothers Abbas and Imran .
Jazakoum Allahu khieran
JazakAllahu khairan
Very important answer regardless of how many other videos they are already on UA-cam explaining this... People need to see and hear the logic of this again and again. Jazakallah'khair
جزاكم الله كل خير May Allah reward you paradise From Alexandria Egypt
جزاكم الله خيرا
Brilliant talk, thank you
Excellent video for referencing to anyone who has similar questions. Just to add to Dr. Imran's point at 35:26 , precocious puberty is puberty before the age of 8 for girls and 9 for boys. The onset of puberty changes due to many different factors, this is well documented and studied in reproductive biology.
and there was no adolescence back then
you were a baby a child then and adult
now your a baby a child and adolescent then a adult
they didnt have the luxury of waiting upto a decade to get married if they had already gone through puberty because of the rates of mortality and how easy it was to die of the most innocuous injuries and infections etc
@@madaxwayneGreat point. It also doesn't make sense from a population perspective. At best (i guess) there were between 20k to 50k people in bigger city like mecca at that time. Taking into account woman and infant mortality, they wouldve been wiped out if they waited till 18 years if age.
@@sohaibalvi7295 exactly
but these islamaphobes completely ignore the nuances of the situation and say 9 year old marriage bad end of
if that was the case the human race wouldve died out pretty quick
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.*
First Understand *4 things* :
♦️1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
♦️2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.*
Historically there is no wonder in that.
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
♦️3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
@@madaxwayne
You mentioned the "rates of mortality."
The average life expectancy for white adults in the U.S.A. at the turn of the 20th century (1900) was age 35. This was before all the SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY that we have today.
Question: How old was Khadijah when she married prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?
How old were the other wives of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) when they died?
Why is it that not one of them back then was dying EARLY as you say they were?
Perfection at its finest .. thank u Allah for showing us the way .. allahmdella.. .
May Allha swt rewards you both brothers for a very detailed honest sincere explanation. Brother Abbas is always very polite respectful.
Br Abbas have an Awesome talent of converting Thoughts to perfect Words..
Which many of today struggles to attain..
I found that to be extra ordinary skill..
Masha Allah
May Allah preserve him
Jazakom Allah khair
MasyaAllah
Barakallahhu fik bro .💚
Pls talk abt Syaidatina Aisyah achievement.
She is awesome.
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.*
First Understand *4 things* :
♦️1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
♦️2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.*
Historically there is no wonder in that.
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
♦️3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
you guys are blessed , consider a brother from Egypt supporting your efforts at any time , ABBAS ( you are one of my favorite debaters who can control the debate in such a great way ) , just a message from brother in Islam , tell Hamza and Hashim to go Easy on Christians :)
MasaAllah this is was a legendary discussion May Allah Azzawajal bless br. Abbas n Imran
Ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 12/53
With regard to consummation of the marriage with a minor, it does not become permissible by merely drawing up the marriage contract; rather the husband should not consummate the marriage with her until she is able to have intercourse, which is not necessarily at puberty. This is something that varies from one environment and time to another. With regard to that, sharee‘ah pays attention to physical makeup.
The fact that it is permissible to marry a minor girl does not imply that it is permissible to have intercourse with her, rather the husband should not have intercourse with her until she becomes able for that. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delayed consummating the marriage to ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her).
Brother Imran your arguments are really always amazing thank you so much. You have to become the keyy figuer on the cahnnel and thanks also to Brother Abbas for the organizations and good made points in the conversation
Excellent explanation by brother Abbas and Dr. Imran.
Br Abbas perfectly explained the point locically and you can see the u turn made by the other gentleman at 24.46....we can see the smile on br Abbas's face. i still respoect the gentleman because atleast he is keeping the conversation civil and is actually listening to what others are saying. I pray Allah talla shows him the light of Islam.
“Including the outlier” absolutely mind blowing.
Wa'Alaikum Salama Warahmotullah Waabarahkatull
What benefit is there in engaging in this argument longer than the necessity to establish that Aisha r.a. was at a marriageable age AND it was a matter ordained?
Let these people bark as it’s in their nature but these brothers should have better and concise replies. After all they have addressed this many times before.
May Allah guide us all
Ameen. It’s almost like they are deaf. Allah has sealed their hearts. May Allah guide them. Abbas keeps explaining them and it’s like they’re not even listening. It’s honestly quite sad.
these athiests dont even have a moral grounding to say its wrong to begin with
its all subjective according to them so their opinons means as much as the gum on my shoe
nothing
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.*
First Understand *4 things* :
♦️1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
♦️2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.*
Historically there is no wonder in that.
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
♦️3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
The benefit is that I now know how to comprehensively answer that question in the future if I'm asked. The longer the conversation went on, the more possible doubts were extinguished.
@@bilaal3488
Would you ever marry a 6 year old and marry her when she was 9?
Br imran "Was the criteria for marriage an age?" the answer is no! Beautiful br imran. Literally steps in and destroys that narrative in seconds. Wow.
may Allah taala have mercy on Br. Abbas & Dr. Imran and all of us. Ameen.
Ameen!
MashaAllah
Id genuinely like some feedback regarding this possibility from some learned muslims, or some of the efdawah brother x
amazing brother abbass.
There are so many people at that time of prophet Muhammad pbuh to destroy him and islam,..if aisha rah age is become an issue, they surely will use this to destroy prophet Muhammad pbuh but we cant hear one..
Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam
A beautiful discussion
You did something positive and good.Non Muslim must know the limit.Do hurt other's feeling.
He constantly moves the goalposts. @20:40 he says he considers large age difference marriages is child abuse biologically. But he started the conversation saying he agrees with the principle of presenting and doesn't judge the past. And only wants to focus on the psychology. Here you can see he shifts his position to try to show Abbas as "wrong". People need to learn to be consistent and just say oh ok, I take what you say, I will go away and reflect. Not switch positions to "win the debate"
at about 25 minutes, he forgot what was said before
Some are not ready at 18 some are not ready at 16, NONE ARE READY AT 6/9
Well girls have to be ready once they hit puberty to be married. Otherwise they will end up as spinsters where they won't be owned nor controlled.
masha ALLAH
I watched the 300 movie which contains how Spartans trained and brought up their children to be competent in battle field early on! The movie makers seem to admire that and not say it’s child abuse. But when it comes to religion especially islam, they turn to be too concerned for children! Lol
It makes me think of their standard to blame anything!
28:15 when Imran comes just listen
They should also know the stage of growth we call adolescence wasnt created until the late 1800s and before then marriage was consummated through all cultures when puberty had arrived
adolescence has basically enabled society to coddle otherwise able people to stay in the mindset of children and stunt mental maturity until they leave their parent which is usually 18 at the earliest and some into their 20s and 30s etc
*Stanley Hall, was credited with discovering adolescence (Henig, 2010, p. 4). In his study entitled “Adolescence,” he described this new developmental phase that came about due to social changes at the turn of the 20th century.*
look him up
Is there a nose check on him.
How this is accepted that a 6 year or 9 year can marry 55year old. Prophet was intelligent and best of men. Then how he was right and not phedophelic
@@ZMinaam would you repeat the same with your daughter or sister
Abbas is so correct when talking about life is different between prophet time and our time now. Many of sahabah were so young that below 15 years old when they involved in wars. Usamah was 18 when he was appointed as war commandant that led the war. Just imagine these ages joining soldiers at this time.
I think this guy here has his 21st century specticals on if any of us was born back then we would all be accepting it has the norm. brother Abbas handle this with perfect wording and understanding of the time.inshallah may Allah keep guiding us all brothers and sisters to Islam Allah Akbar
Doctor imran is a legend
Again we could see, the example and behavior of people who work within a framework of contextual, reality conditions, and reasoning vs random human who just thought "I think" and "I believe" is the superior reason to start judging others standards.
The Indian man says he's an atheist but he's wearing wrist bands from the Hindu temple.
Ah yes, another one of those "we cant trust other parents to have responsibility, therefore we all ought to not have responsibility"
You want the society to pay more taxes so that you can delegate parenting to some subpar psychologist intern to spend a few hours to evaluate another human being?
Grow some balls. Give parents credit where it's due. Make decisions and own them. Not avoid responsibility and push the burden onto others
Let's just be glad that banksy wasn't rude or disrespectful towards our deen bcoz he's known for being an islamophobe and having a big mouth. But it was a fruitful discussion masha allah to abbas he's smooth as silk when he debates
Mashallah.
Isabelle of France married King Edward II at the age of 6 in 14th century Britain.
@Miriam K dosent need to be
shows the norm was to wait till puberty and this example was more than likely a betrothal with no consummation
According Shi'a books that having witness from Sonni's books, she was 18 when married.
The hadith is accurate regarding what Aisha R.A said. What this proves is that she didn't really know her age as this was not important at the time. Historical events during her life puts her at an older closer to the above mentioned.
Quran clearly states marriage guidelines! Even when puberty occurs that is not necessarily mean a woman is ready for marriage unless she is strong in mind sociologically and body able to discuss her dowry give consent etc I’m absolutely positive our beloved prophet Muhammad PBUH wouldn’t break Allahs laws. Quran before any Hadith.COMMON SENSE.
You guys are providing modern logical explanation to the religion matters in sensible good way ,I know it’s hormones but brother abbs you get excited Abbs off course natural thing but Imran show resilience I hope you will overcome emotional thing but it leads to anger
Abbas dropped bombs at the end. What a legend 🔥🔥🔥
mashallah
what happened with the open forum stream?
How could he have possibly disagreed with that!!!
My grandmother meried at 9years old...she has 12 childrens....one of her child is younger than her grandchild...heheheheh...what a wonderful life...
IMRAN you are great and impressive
During canonical prayers, it’s not permitted for men to cover their faces and they have to stand shoulder to shoulder, without any gap. COVID changed it. Ullma-e-ikram gave their ruling according to the circumstances. Both were abandoned for a time being
Is such a drawn out discussion necessary?
why not tell them what she had to say about the prophet?
why not inform that he did not snatch her away but her father offered her hand in marriage?
why did society during the prophets lifetime and even later Islamophobes until very recently did not find this a matter that can be used against the prophet?
why not mention the percentage of hadiths that come from her narrations?
how about asking them why she not only hung around after the prophet's death but devoted her live to teaching the religion?
Can anyone please explain is there any completed physical development of a person once they turn 18? Because I just want to know how most of the world strictly made the 18+ policy for relationship, marriage and adulthood.
Young enough to not be old, and old enough to not be young.
@@eduantech Yes, but I need to know if there's any specific, biological or physical change after a person turns 18
@@Nevebrownie No there isn't. They graduated school. Which if it did its job right (it doesn't), means the person knows how the world works.
Some people know that at 5, others know it at 50. Others never know it, most never know it, and yet they're allowed to vote lol
Age is just a number, in this case. We've picked an arbitrary number that seems reasonable enough, as a culture.
Is there any way I can learn these things from them directly?
When i was ten i was looking like i am 13-14 and at 14 i was like 20 years old body ...so everyone is different but psychologically idk...at 9 years old idk..maybe because also kids on that time didn’t had gadgets and all of it so they was communicating more and becoming adult earlier..but its still early as for me..i think Prophet didn’t slept with her until she was ready..and on that time marriage was helping women to live and survive..for me as revert muskim its very interesting topic and i would like to listen about it but i dont imagine my daughter to be married at 9
51:30 This is similar to taking all Asian people as Chinese. As a South East Asian Malay, l might be offended if people calling me Chinese for no reason.
6:44 *When did psychology become considered a science?*
When Psychology first became a Science and how it Began Social Science Many of its clinicians and researchers believe that psychology first became a science in the late *1800’s* when Wilhelm Wundt[1] emancipated it from the schools of philosophy and anthropology.
and adolescence wasnt a thing until the late 1800s before then you were either a child or adult no inbetween
look up stanley hall and adolescence
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.*
First Understand *4 things* :
1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed.
Historically there is no wonder in that.
✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
(Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85)
3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
He is a doctor. From the sounds of things. He was not worth giving all that time. He was a historian, doctor and an expert in the 7th century.
😄 🤣 "would you like to see his certificates" 😁😜 Best #Edutainment in the 🌎 💪😇🤳
I missed the part of jordan and sister i guess, I’ve no clue what did this man say about them? At what minute does it happened
Interesting to see how the man came to an understanding at the end, but just before leaving he went back to square one and went into denial...
hazrat ayesha accepted islam when her father accepted before hijrat (migration to madina) if she was under 9 then there will be no need to recite kalma as if a father accept islam all under-age kids automatically become muslim... so after hijrat she got married, after 10 years of accepting islam, so her age was minimum 19 years at the time of marriage, not 6 years. she was not born after BESAATH (declaration of the prophethood) but 10-9 years before hijrat
Brother Abbas and Imran deserve their hands to be kissed outa respect..........for the service they have done to our Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), our mother of Belivers Aisha (RA) and to the message of Islam!! 😇
❤️❤️❤️🔥
Man said comparing apples to cameras and i lost it 😂😂😂
Some colonial mentality; (he) more advanced societies to start elevate these societies
Nobody care about trips in far Africa … living far away… but he very much interested in KSA and Pakistan..
thank you Dr. Imran and brother Abbas for educating the his man. Hopefully he will benefit from it
the brothers, may Allah reward them, unpacked this liberal-missionary in a beautiful way
@@MilitantAntiAtheism
This is what Allah says about himself
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Allah! There is no God but He,
the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal.
No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep.
All things in heaven and earth are His.
Who could intercede in His presence without His permission?
He knows what appears in front of and behind His creatures.
Nor can they encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills.
His throne extends over the heavens and the earth,
and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them,
for He is the Highest and Most Exalted.
My humble suggestion to you would be to ask questions,
Last Saturday my coworker passed away suddenly while playing cricket, he died instantly, let’s remember death, all you say is being recorded, be mindful of the one that created you.
I pray Allah guide you to the truth.
Can you tell me who was first born, Isaac or Ishmael? peace be upon them both.
Was Abraham a Jew or a Christian?
In Africa there are still many societies whose standard for marriage especially for women is first menstruation..
Dr Imran saved Abbas from arguing for human evolution but claiming physiological change.
In my own country at the year of 2022 I often end up in debate with people about this issue. People are so ignorant and have no idea that in our own country, who btw considerse itself are progressive, feminist, modern, western etc, that there is no age limit here for marriage. All it needs is parents consent and judge, she could be even 10 years old. There is no law about legal age for marriage here. It is not done culturally, but legally there is not limit. If the parents want to marry their 10 year old and find a judge to sign up on it. They can do it and people here have no idea and are always 😮 when I tell them this.
Hadhrat Aisha’s (ra) age of marriage was not criticized until the modern age, even by critics of Islam in previous ages. This proves cultural sensibilities were different.
Can anyone tell what percentage of babies in Britain are born out of wedlock?
Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.*
First Understand *4 things* :
♦️1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
♦️2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.*
Historically there is no wonder in that.
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
(Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52)
♦️3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
Out of all the things the Kufar of qurash used against our prophet MUHAMMAD [saw] they NEVER used his marriage with Aisha to denigrate our prophet. That itself tells you it was common and exceptable in that time such marriages.
Child mortality rates were also much higher, so people needed to start having children earlier so that they have a higher likelihood of having a surviving family.
"Those who love to see immorality spread among the believers-for them is a painful punishment, in this life and in the Hereafter. God knows, and you do not know." (Qur'an 24:19)
"Those who slander honorable, innocent, believing women are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter. They will have a terrible punishment.' (Qur'an 24:23)
Where did he get the notion that there are many marriages at a young age. This is actually a very inaccurate point.
The easy answer to his concern about crazy parents and gender surgery and whatnot: parents aren't allowed to do things that disobey God.
@@MilitantAntiAtheism
This is what Jesus peace be upon him said about the day of judgement.
The messenger of God shall go to collect all the prophets, to whom he shall speak, praying them to go with him to pray God for the faithful. And every one shall excuse himself for fear; nor, as God liveth, would I go there, knowing what I know. Then God, seeing this, shall remind his messenger how he created all things for love of him, and so his fear shall leave him, and he shall go nigh unto the throne with love and reverence, while the angels sing: "Blessed be thy holy name O God, our God."
'And when he hath drawn nigh unto the throne, God shall open [his mind] unto his messenger, even as a friend unto a friend when for a long while they have not met. The first to speak shall be the messenger of God, who shall say: "I adore and love thee, O my God, and with all my heart and soul I give thee thanks for that thou didst vouchsafe to create me to be thy servant, and madest all for love of me, so that I might love thee for all things and in all things and above all things; therefore let all thy creatures praise thee, O my God." Then all things created by God shall say: "We give thee thanks, O Lord, and bless thy holy name." Verily I say unto you, the demons and reprobates with Satan shall then weep so that more water shall flow from the eyes of one of them than is in the river of Jordan. Yet shall they not see God.
'And God shall speak unto his messenger, saying: "Thou art welcome, O my faithful servant; therefore ask what thou wilt, for thou shalt obtain all." The messenger of God shall answer. "O Lord, I remember that when thou didst create me, thou saidst that thou hadst willed to make for love of me the world and paradise, and angels and men, that they might glorify thee by me thy servant. Therefore, Lord God, merciful and just. I pray thee that thou recollect thy promise made unto thy servant."
'And God shall make answer even as a friend who jesteth with a friend, and shall say: "Hast thou witnesses of this, my friend Mohammed?" And with reverence he shall say: "Yes, Lord." Then God shall answer: "Go, call them, O Gabriel." The angel Gabriel shall come to the messenger of God, and shall say: "Lord, who are thy witnesses?" The messenger of God shall answer: "They are Adam, Abraham, Ishmael, Moses, David, and Jesus son of Mary."
'Then shall the angel depart, and he shall call the aforesaid witnesses, who with fear shall go thither. And when they are present God shall say unto them: "Remember ye that which my messenger affirmeth?" They shall reply: "What thing, O Lord?" God shall say: "That I have made all things for love of him, so that all things might praise me by him." Then every one of them shall answer: "There are with us three witnesses better than we are, O Lord." And God shall reply: "Who are these three witnesses?" Then Moses shall say: "The book that thou gavest to me is the first"; and David shall say: "The book that thou gavest to me is the second"; and he who speaketh to you shall say: "Lord, the whole world, deceived by Satan, said that I was thy son and thy fellow, but the book that thou gavest me said truly that I am thy servant; and that book confesseth that which thy messenger affirmeth." Then shall the messenger of God speak, and shall say: "Thus saith the book that thou gavest me, O Lord." And when the messenger of God hath said
this, God shall speak, saying: "All that I have now done, I have done in order that every one should know how much I love thee." And when he hath thus spoken, God shall give unto his messenger a book, in which are written all the names of the elect of God. Wherefore every creature shall do reverence to God, saying "To thee alone, O God, be glory and honour, because thou hast given us to thy messenger."
Well said at the end Abbas they don't look what's happening in they own society and criticise our societys hypocrites man the lot of them
But i thought the woman has to give consent to get married..how can a 6yr old give consent?
this is how you shut down your brain "i don't care" and we have a saying in Algeria about ppl who don't listen "A goat even if it flies"